PipeChat Digest #1584 - Wednesday, August 30, 2000
 
Two days "Day of the Organ" in Belgium
  by "Lef=E8vre" <vlefevere@online.be>
IMPORTANT - UP AND RUNNING AGAIN
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: ST.Mary the Virgin Letter in TAO
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: Medinah Temple Chicago Preservation Deal does not include  big  Austi
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: ST.Mary the Virgin Letter in TAO
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: ST.Mary the Virgin Letter in TAO
  by "Evelyn Rowe" <efrowe@mindspring.com>
Re: Free Moller, 16 rank (actually a Moller console on Heinz57organ)
  by "Blaine Ricketts" <blaineri@home.com>
Re: ST.Mary the Virgin Letter in TAO
  by "Stanley E Yoder" <syoder+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Re: ST.Mary the Virgin
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: repertoire for Churches with beginning organists
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: ST.Mary the Virgin Letter in TAO
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
relaying a message
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
 


(back) Subject: Two days "Day of the Organ" in Belgium From: "Lef=E8vre" <vlefevere@online.be> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 21:19:15 +0200   Hopely you will be willing to read the play list in dutch, especially for those who are visiting our country (the flemish part) in these days! Vincent Lef=E8vre for "Organs in Flanders" vlefevere@online.be   DAG VAN HET ORGEL 2000 Dit is de lijst van de orgelbespelingen opgegeven door onze provinciale vertegenwoordigers. Meerdere organisten hadden reeds afspraken gemaakt op het ogenblik van de beslissing om de =ABDag van het Orgel=BB te koppelen = aan de =ABOpen Monumentendag=BB. Dit heeft voor gevolg dat de =AB Dag van het Or= gel 2000 =BB gespreid wordt over twee dagen: 10 en 24 september. Vanaf 2001 z= al het orgelgebeuren volledig plaats grijpen op de Open Monumentendag. Deze lijst is alfabetisch op de plaatsnaam opgesteld. Laattijdige melding= en kunnen ontbreken.   Orgelbespelingen tijdens de Open Monumentendag op 10 september 2000   Achel-Centrum Parochiekerk 14.00u. - Joost Vermeiren   Achel-Kluis Parochieker 16.00u. - Joost vermeiren en Carine Rinkes (blokfluit en pommer) Brugge St.-Salvatorkathedraal 11.30u. - Ignace Michiels Paters Karmelieten 14.30u. - Pieter VanWaesberghe St.-Walburgakerk 15.30u. - Koen Dieltiens St.-Gilliskerk 16.30u. - Sophi= e Tr=E9panier Toelichting Vincent Lef=E8vr= e   De Panne O.L.V.kerk 16.30u. - Chris Dubois   Hasselt St.-Quintinuskath. 11.30u. - Orgelmis en concert door Marcel Deckers   Hasselt-Godsheide Parochiekerk 11.30u. - Johan Hermans en studenten   Kontich Orgeltrip met paardentram - Info 03/450.78.39 - (200 BEF voor d= e rit en drankje, kinderen 100 BEF) (St.-Rita, St.-Michiel - Waarloos, Kont= ich Kazerne, Altena), Jan Van Mol en Christel De Meulder   Kortembos Basiliek 15.00u. - Johan Hermans (thema =AB Tijd= =BB) - i.s.w. Heemkundige Kring   Lissewege O.L.V.-Bezoeking 14.00u. - Toelichting door de organist-titularis   Kortrijk St.-Maartenskerk 11.25u. - Bachcantate 35 d= oor ensemble o.l.v. Wim Verdonck St.-Maartenskerk 20.00u. - Vlaamse composities en Bach door 7 organisten (F. Alavoine, D. Blockeel, W. Claeys, L. Geloen, B. Naessens, R. Plovie en Jan = Van Landeghem) Oekene St.-Martinuskerk 16.00u. - Jan Vermeire   Puurs St.-Pieterskerk 14.00u. - Geschiedenis v/h= De la Haye-orgel (foto's) Rondleiding bij het orgel 15.00u. - Orgelbespeling door Bart Jacobs 16.30u. - Orgelbespeling door Jan Van Landeghem   Roosdaal O.L.V. Lombeek 16.00u. - Orgelconcert (J. Sluys, G. De Reyghere en E. Sluys)   Sint-Truiden Begijnhofkerk 10.00u. - Luc Ponet - CD-presentat= ie : Flanders Organ Heritage Vol.I (Begijnhofkerk Sint-Truiden) - Regelmatige orgelbespeling tot ca. 16u. met als thema =AB Tempus fugit =BB   Tessenderlo-Engsbergen 15.00u. - Joachim Bollen (vroegere muziek in England en Itali=EB verwijzend naar het latere repertoire in Duitsland en Frankrijk   Turnhout St.-Pieterskerk 13.30u. - Iris Eysermans, Jo= ost Termont, W. Vanderhoeven     Velzeke (Zottegem) - Kapel Grauwzusters 14.00u. - Erwin Van Bogaert 16.00u. - Antoine Tronquo   Waregem Dekenale Kerk 09.00-10.00-11.30u. - Tijdens = de missen : Hubert Baert 14.00u. - Orgelklas van Joost Prov=E9 aan het klavier (publiek op h= et doksaal toegelaten)   Orgelbespelingen tijdens de traditionele laatste zondag van september (24ste)   Alden Biesen Commanderie 15.00u. - B. Van de Brink en Mus= ica Mosana (koperensemble)   Dendermonde St.-Gillis-Buiten 15.00u. - Lieve Van de Rostyne     Gent O.L.V. - St.-Pieters 16.00u. - Leon Bierens St.-Baafskathedraal 10.45u. - Edward= De Geest St.-Paulus 18.00u. - Paul De Maeyer St.-Anna 15.00u. - Kristien Heirman= en Tom Hoornaert   Kalken St.-Denijskerk 18.00u. - Urbain Dewilde= en Edwin Derde (fagot)   Knokke St.-Margaretakerk 20.30u. - Jan Baert (orgel) en Christiaan De Raes (hoorn)   Kortrijk St.-Maartenskerk 11.25u. - Bachcantate 35 door ensemble o.l.v. Wim Verdonck.   Machelen a/d Leie Parochiekerk 15.00u. - Yves Senden   Oplinter St.-Genovevakerk 16.00u. - Bruno Bruyninckx   Oostende O.L.V.kerk 11.00u. - Kristiaan Van Ingelg= em (Improvisaties) 18.00u. - Peter Ledaine (met koorbegeleiding) St.-Margaretakerk 20.30u. - Jan Baer= t en Christiaan De Raes (Engelse hoorn) Oudenaarde Kapel Bernardinnen 15.00u. - Antoine Tronqu= o en Geert De Praetere   Roeselare St.-Michielskerk 20.00u. - Kamiel D' hooghe   Roosdaal O.L.V. Lombeek 16.00u. - S.Rohn en ko= or Capelle Brugensis (P. Peire)   Sinaai Parochiekerk 14.00u. - Willem Ceuleer= s   Sint Niklaas Tereken 15.00u. - Christophe Bursens Nikolaaskerk 16.00u. - Joost d'Hont Heilige familie 20.00u. - R Plovie, J. d'Hont, Chr. Bursen= s, E. Van Bogaert Onze Lieve Vrouw 17.00u. - Erwin Va= n Bogaert   Stalhille St.-Jan de Doper 11.00u. - Ronny Plovie en Alain Van de Velde (trompet)   Turnhout St.- Pieterskerk 10.00u. - Orgelmis door Joost Termont   Veurne St.-Walburgakerk 11.00u. - Jan Vermeire = met Giles Cardoen (fluit)   Wetteren Overschelde 15.00u. - Philippe Sorgeloos en Tony Oyen (trompet)   Wilsele-Putkapel St.-Agathakerk 11.00u. - Philippe Beullens   Zottegem Dekenale kerk 20.00u. - Edward De Geest = - Org. SAMWD-Zottegem     Hoofdco=F6rdinator: Wim Verhulst - Tel. en Fax 032/13.06.48 E-Mail WimVerhulst@antwerpen.be   Provinciale verantwoordelijken: Antwerpen: Jan Van Mol, Tel 03/384.24.49 Limburg: Luc Ponet, Tel 012/23.70.38 Oost-Vlaanderen: Ronny Plov= ie, Tel 03/777.80.82 West-Vlaanderen: Dirk Blockeel, 051/22.86.34                    
(back) Subject: IMPORTANT - UP AND RUNNING AGAIN From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 21:47:09 +0100   Well, this is a MASS email to the various lists running here that they are finally back and running tonight. As is always the case when something like this move of the servers is done there is some "glitch" that happens. And this tie was no exception, except it had nothing to do with my servers. It seems that my provider, where the machines are temporarily located, had another piece of their equipment go out so their whole network operations center was off-line for several hours!! Oh Well.   But just wanted to let you know that mail from the various lists will be coming again.   David  
(back) Subject: Re: ST.Mary the Virgin Letter in TAO From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 22:57:08 EDT   Hi List:   I believe the name of the Church is St. Mary the Virgin, Who happens to be Jesus' mother. I never heard of Smokey Mary. A dispute with the Rector = should never impugn the name of Mary. If high church with incense used and = sprinkling with water is ment say so. I'm offended by short cuts, whether they are = ment as slights or not. She is Jesus' mother, and nothing in the world can change that! I think respect is in order for her name. An Angel, Gabriel, by name, came = to ask her permission to be the Mother of God. That's enough for me. The name requires respect.   I personally think it's wrong to disrupt a music program as long as the = choir director and organist is performing, and doing a good job. In Christopher's case = I'm inclined to believe he was doing a good job. Nobody gets out of bed on Sunday = morning and decides to do a bad job. I hope I haven't offended anyone, but the = rector must answer for his decision. I have been there, and also treated poorly = at times. I didn't like it, and have myself been dismissed for frivolous reasons. I think we have all experienced that. Let's concentrate on what happened. I think = that is the best route. Mary didn't dismiss Chris, the rector did. I just wanted to = put things into the proper perspective.   Regards,   Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: Re: Medinah Temple Chicago Preservation Deal does not include big Austin (cross posted) From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 20:04:35   At 09:27 PM 8/29/2000 -0500, you wrote: >It is apparent that the extensive interior renovation leaves no >future for the historic 1915 Austin organ.<snip>   This Austin hails from a pretty signficant part of the Austin Company's history, when they had a string of "hit" organs across the country, including San Francisco, Portland, ME and San Diego. Shame on San Francisco for sticking the completely rebuilt and ready to play Opus 500 = in it shipping crates, while plotting to shove it into an unsuitable outdoor "Fotomat"-style "organ pavillion". If any organs deserved good, public venues, these two do.   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: ST.Mary the Virgin Letter in TAO From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 20:17:05   At 10:57 PM 8/29/2000 EDT, you wrote: >I never heard of Smokey Mary.<snip>   "Smokey Mary's" has been the nickname of this barn for eons. Lighten up.   >I hope I haven't offended anyone, but the rector >must answer for his decision. I have been there, and also treated poorly = at >times. >I didn't like it, and have myself been dismissed for frivolous = reasons.<snip>   REALITY CHECK: Without a labor contract of any kind, or any AFM local to back you up (The AGO is a dysfunctional organization in this regard, and = is impotent) you are like every other non-union worker in the country...you are EMPLOYED AT WILL. That means they have the right to fire you because you wear orange socks, and in most states, will challenge your unemployement benefits claim because of wearing orange socks.   The Rector doesn't have to answer for anything, and he knows it. The AGO blacklist of Smokey Mary's is probably more effective in NYC than anywhere else, because, generally, Noo Yawkahs know what collective action is all about, so they may be able to make a blacklisting work (and make life miserable for any "scabs"). Elsewhere, it's just an action that makes the dean feel important (pronounced "impotent").   Although some we know are blessed with decent church jobs and working conditions, most church jobs suck. Why subject yourself to such = shabbiness and disregard? I won't...anymore!   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: ST.Mary the Virgin Letter in TAO From: "Evelyn Rowe" <efrowe@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 23:57:37 -0400   I didn't jump into this brawl until after "NYPD Blue" because I haven't been able to connect with Mindspring/Earthlink for most of the afternoon and evening. I did, however, read the letter in question on the subway this afternoon. Ron, the people I know who have been heard to refer to = the parish in question as "S**** Mary's" include members of the Society of Mary. George, the same kind of thing happened in 1981, e-mail me = privately if you want details.   I am wondering if St. Mary the Virgin ever established a formal relationship with the Diocese of New York. At one time, IIRC, they were independent, like Church of the Advent in Boston. The rector there may = not think he has to play by the rules.   Time for bed already -- beauty sleep time is just about gone.   Evie    
(back) Subject: Re: Free Moller, 16 rank (actually a Moller console on Heinz57organ) From: "Blaine Ricketts" <blaineri@home.com> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 21:06:17 -0700   Visalia is one hour South of Fresno and the organ is all in chambers on = the second floor level! I can't see to get any real information out of anyone including Luther Melby who started this trend. Many of the Pipe Chat = postings are by people who have nothing better to do than gossip or repeat stories = about things they don't have a clue about. If I learn anything, I'll let you = know.   Send me a stop list of what you have and what you would like to have and = I'll see if I can help as things are found.   Blaine Ricketts     Randy Terry wrote: > > If this instrument is in the S.F. Bay area (and is still available) I = want > to know. I have removed 2 junker instruments out here - saving what was > rebuildable and taking the rest to the dump. > > We are rebuilding our 1972 Swain & Kates at St. Peter's Episcopal, = Redwood > City, CA. The organ is in a great room (4 seconds reverb!) and in well > voiced in the Aeolian Skinner style (what luck) If anyone in this area = has > good used chests (single rank chests best for us) I am in the market for > such. We have funds available. Currently 13 ranks, we are adding a = Viola > Pomposa (rebuilt from a 1946 Moller Gamba) and an Oboe - Schalmey, plus > making specification changes. We have other available pipework and > expansion room in the console, but I need chests. > > Thanks Randy > > -----Original Message----- > From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of > > Facts about this organ from an organ man who inspected it about five = years > ago. > > It is NOT a Moller Organ. > It is a Heinz 57 organ with a nice air operated Moller console only. > > It was installed in the former 1st Christian Church. Someone recently > looked at > the building and assumed it was a Baptist Church because of the = baptistry. > The > Christian Church also uses a baptistry. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: ST.Mary the Virgin Letter in TAO From: "Stanley E Yoder" <syoder+@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 00:12:37 -0400 (EDT)   Excerpts from mail: 29-Aug-100 Re: ST.Mary the Virgin Lett.. by Evelyn Rowe@mindspring.c > I am wondering if St. Mary the Virgin ever established a formal > relationship with the Diocese of New York. At one time, IIRC, they were =   > independent, like Church of the Advent in Boston. The rector there may = not > think he has to play by the rules.   But he did play by the rules (aka canon law), didn't he? Stan Yoder Pittsburgh  
(back) Subject: Re: ST.Mary the Virgin From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 21:20:17 -0700   The Advent has been in a legal tangle about that for years ... they had a self-perpetuating Board of Directors; the Diocese insisted that they have = an elected Vestry. The board was probably there to protect the property in = case they decided to leave ECUSA, but I *think* the Diocese prevailed. I = noticed on a recent service bulletin that Mount Calvary, Baltimore still has a = similar arrangement. I KNOW we do at St. Matthew's, since our branch of the = continuing Church has split several times, and each time the dissident bishops try to = take all the property with them.   I think St. Mary-the-Virgin was a chapel-of-ease of some British = bishop/diocese for a very long time, but finally came into the Diocese a few rectors = back.   A LOT of the old high churches had strange arrangements to protect = themselves from low-church bishops in the old days. The Presiding Bishop when I was growing up, Henry Knox Sheridan, was not above resorting to gathering = dossiers on high-church rectors and vestries in order to shut them down. He = actually forced the Rt. Rev. Wallace Conklin out of the Diocese of Chicago. Bishop Conklin was our Interim Rector at St. David's, Lakeland, FL when I was in junior high school. Bishop Louttit gave him shelter and made him the = diocesan trouble-shooter. St. David's was in the midst of a churchmanship fight and couldn't agree on a Rector, so Bishop Louttit sent Bishop Conklin for a = year. Needless to say, high church won (grin).   Ah, the (sometimes not so) Good Old Days ...   Cheers,   Bud   Evelyn Rowe wrote:   > I didn't jump into this brawl until after "NYPD Blue" because I haven't > been able to connect with Mindspring/Earthlink for most of the afternoon > and evening. I did, however, read the letter in question on the subway > this afternoon. Ron, the people I know who have been heard to refer to = the > parish in question as "S**** Mary's" include members of the Society of > Mary. George, the same kind of thing happened in 1981, e-mail me = privately > if you want details. > > I am wondering if St. Mary the Virgin ever established a formal > relationship with the Diocese of New York. At one time, IIRC, they were > independent, like Church of the Advent in Boston. The rector there may = not > think he has to play by the rules. > > Time for bed already -- beauty sleep time is just about gone. > > Evie > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: repertoire for Churches with beginning organists From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 15:03:28 EDT   Hi Gordito:   Repertoire: I may be able to help you with this. There are a lot of = composers who are terrific at making music easy and interesting. Gordon Young, = Charles Callahan, Wilber Held and a whole host of others. They write wonderful = easy works for the busy or beginning organist. A great many are based upon the chorals you mentioned. Paul Manz wrote some interesting collections of his work, well over 10 books and over 100 pieces. Augsburg Press has several volumes of easy suitable music for the liturgical seasons of the year, and some are hard bound. The Parish Organist is a series of books for the = Church Year. That in itself should keep one busy for a very, very long time.   The thing I like about those mentioned above, is that there are only good serviceable pieces, no junk! Paul Manz may be a challenge, but in time with slow practice, and a good organ they can all be mastered. There are some easy pieces sprinkled through, along with medium and difficult works. All are interesting and useful.   Old English Organ Music edited by C.H. Treavor Oxford University Press 6 volumes are very worth while. Also the Church organist's Golden Treasury edited by Carl F. Pfatteicher and Archibald T. Davidson in three volumes. They = comprise the Great Masters of the Organ including Bach, Walther, etc. Oliver Ditson Company a Theodore Presser Company, Byrn Mawr, Pennsylvania. Get all of them! Bach's eight little preludes and Fugues, Johann Krebs 50 = Preludes and fugues in two volumes, very easy, Marcel Dupre's 79 Choral preludes = mostly easy in one volume. Early English keyboard Music, "Voluntaries" in two = volumes edited by Don McAfee, McAfee Music Corporation, works by Croft, Greene, = Boyce and of course John Stanley.   This should keep you busy for the rest of your life!   REGARDS,   Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: Re: ST.Mary the Virgin Letter in TAO From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 21:22:11 -0700   If New York is a "fire at will" state, he did; but there's the issue of = ETHICS. Did he give Christopher a CHANCE to take St. Mary's in the "new direction" = the Rector wanted?   Cheers,   Bud   Stanley E Yoder wrote:   > Excerpts from mail: 29-Aug-100 Re: ST.Mary the Virgin Lett.. by Evelyn > Rowe@mindspring.c > > I am wondering if St. Mary the Virgin ever established a formal > > relationship with the Diocese of New York. At one time, IIRC, they = were > > independent, like Church of the Advent in Boston. The rector there = may not > > think he has to play by the rules. > > But he did play by the rules (aka canon law), didn't he? > Stan Yoder > Pittsburgh > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: relaying a message From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:49:45 -0400   I'm going to a concert tomorrow given by Bernard Lagac=E9. If any of you = have a message you'd like me to relay to him (or his wife Mireille), please let me know. I'll be sure to say whom the messages are from......   Carlo