PipeChat Digest #1585 - Wednesday, August 30, 2000
 
Re: Heinz Chessie rails and pipes
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
New Subject - Graduate School Visitation
  by "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu>
Re: bamboo organ
  by <WiegandCJ@aol.com>
Re: New Subject - Graduate School Visitation
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
policies
  by <CdyVanpool@aol.com>
Episcopal Church Staffing
  by "Randy Terry" <randyterry@laumc.org>
San Fran Austin
  by "Randy Terry" <randyterry@laumc.org>
commissioned work - further info (X-posted)
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Old St. Mary's Organ, San Francisco
  by "Nick Grbac" <NickGTV@webtv.net>
Re: ST.Mary the Virgin Letter in TAO
  by <JKVDP@aol.com>
3 New Books: French, Bach, Wanamaker
  by "William T. Van Pelt" <bill@organsociety.org>
St. Mary the Virgin
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
Re: ST.Mary the Virgin Letter in TAO
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: St. Mary the Virgin
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: ST.Mary the Virgin Letter in TAO
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Heinz Chessie rails and pipes From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 09:58:46 -0400   The best intersection of railroads and pipe organs I know of is run by a = guy called RailPipe, at   RailNutterNews@att.net   But he's out of town for the weekend, so responses may be next Tuesday.   Alan   > From: Bob Scarborough <desertbob@rglobal.net> > Subject: Re: Heinz 57 organ???? - now sleeping like a kitten -- a = digresion > from topic > > At 08:42 PM 8/28/2000 EDT, you wrote: >> ---Roc >> who never found a fireman in the cab of his locomotive that wanted to = talk >> about pipe organs :-)<snip> > > Hal Davis over on the HamTech and E-Org lists was a hogger for the NYC = on > the Michigan Central Division, the only money-making part of the Central > for many years...HE'LL talk with you about organs, only mostly = electronic > types! He'll also talk about J-3a Hudsons with you, too. > > DeserTBoB >    
(back) Subject: New Subject - Graduate School Visitation From: "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:00:33 -0400   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_003E_01C01260.C1B997E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <whew!>   I've been meaning to write this e-mail for a while. It seems its time =3D has come. ;-)   I need to be visiting Grad Schools during this semester. BU and =3D Westminster (and to some extent Yale) aren't going to be a problem, but = =3D places like Northwestern and Indiana may be. Can anybody help me out in = =3D terms of information about the cities and/or schools and programs. (And = =3D the good organs to play!)=3D20   Please e-mail me privately if you can help. Thanks!   BTW, Rob Horton, are you still on the list?   -Rebekah       ------=3D_NextPart_000_003E_01C01260.C1B997E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2314.1000" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>&lt;whew!&gt;</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>I've been meaning to write this e-mail for a while. = =3D It seems=3D20 its time has come. ;-)</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>I need to be visiting Grad Schools during this =3D semester. BU=3D20 and Westminster (and to some extent Yale) aren't going to be a problem, = =3D but=3D20 places like Northwestern and Indiana may be. Can anybody help me out in = =3D terms of=3D20 information about the cities and/or schools and programs. (And the good = =3D organs=3D20 to play!) </FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Please e-mail me privately if you can help.=3D20 Thanks!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>BTW, Rob Horton, are you still on the =3D list?</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>-Rebekah</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_003E_01C01260.C1B997E0--    
(back) Subject: Re: bamboo organ From: <WiegandCJ@aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:01:13 EDT   In einer eMail vom 25.08.00 22:45:10 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerzeit = schreibt quilisma@socal.rr.com:   << Bob, I think that was before its restoration (by Klais?) . >> Klais (Bonn, Germany) is correct.   Carl (who lived 20 years in Bonn and visited some nine years a school just = in the neighbourhood of Klais)  
(back) Subject: Re: New Subject - Graduate School Visitation From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:42:07 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0012_01C0125E.2E46EDC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Rebecca- Manuel High School in Indianapolis has a wonderful Wurli 3m =3D 27r in their auditorium. I've played several concerts on the instrument = =3D and can vouch for its' quality.   Availability? Thru the Central Indiana Theatre Organ Society. I don't =3D have their email handy but perhaps another lister might.   We have several TO installations in playhouses and other auditoriums in = =3D the Indy- vicinity.   Hope this helps.   Rick Veague   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0012_01C0125E.2E46EDC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   =3DFF=3DFE<=3D00!=3D00D=3D00O=3D00C=3D00T=3D00Y=3D00P=3D00E=3D00 = =3D00H=3D00T=3D00M=3D00L=3D00 =3D =3D00P=3D00U=3D00B=3D00L=3D00I=3D00C=3D00 =3D =3D00"=3D00-=3D00/=3D00/=3D00W=3D003=3D00C=3D00/=3D00/=3D00D=3D00T=3D00D=3D= 00 =3D00H=3D00T=3D00M=3D00L=3D00 =3D =3D004=3D00.=3D000=3D00 =3D =3D00T=3D00r=3D00a=3D00n=3D00s=3D00i=3D00t=3D00i=3D00o=3D00n=3D00a=3D00l=3D= 00/=3D00/=3D00E=3D00N=3D00"=3D00>=3D00=3D =3D0D=3D00=3D0A=3D =3D00<=3D00H=3D00T=3D00M=3D00L=3D00>=3D00<=3D00H=3D00E=3D00A=3D00D=3D00>=3D= 00=3D0D=3D00=3D0A=3D =3D00<=3D00M=3D00E=3D00T=3D00A=3D00 =3D =3D00c=3D00o=3D00n=3D00t=3D00e=3D00n=3D00t=3D00=3D3D=3D00"=3D00t=3D00e=3D00= 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(back) Subject: policies From: <CdyVanpool@aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:36:13 EDT   I don't know about other churches, but in our church, United = Methodist in Texas. The minister is NOT in charge of hiring and firing. He has a = say, but not the FINAL one. The Pastor Parish Relations Committee has that = say, even on his job. The Minister is not my REAL boss. Of course, the staff tries to please him and work with him. That's what makes things run = smooth. He is the head of Staff. The Pastor Parish Committee represents the whole congregation. = There are 15 on our board. Each member represents so many of the congregation. = When something is to be voted on, they call the people on their list, whatever = the majority of those people say, that's how the member of the committee = votes, and they have to turn in their lists and all the lists are posted. Then in =   turn, they are the voice to the District Superintendent and the Bishop. = If nothing else, they are thorough. I remember once in the late fifties (boy does that hurt, but I was = a child ...<G>), a minister just fired a choir director and then on Sunday morning, said from the pulpit," So and So was offered a better job and resigned." However, he had really not had time to look over the = congregation that well.... the former choir director was sitting close to the back and = he had the testicles to STAND UP and say " No I didn't resign, you fired me." =   and sat down. Well, that was the end of church that Sunday! The head of = the Pastor Parish stood up and said " There will be a PPR meeting immediately = in the parlor." I do not know for sure everything that went on, but my guess = is : 1. They voted the minister = "gone" 2. Called the D.S. and told him =   the situation. 3. He in turn called the Bishop 4. The head of the PPR was = given the go ahead to dismiss the minister. 5. The PPR met with the = minister on WEDNESDAY and dismissed him. They already had some lay people to fill in before another minister was sent to us. 6. They re-instated the choir director.   The minister broke the rules. The PPR has the final say. Moral of story: Don't mess with the chain of command. The = majority of the PPR is and always has been, the sweet little grandmotherly types. Don't mess with THEM !!!!!   Van Vanpool, organist FUMC Bowie,TEXAS.......  
(back) Subject: Episcopal Church Staffing From: "Randy Terry" <randyterry@laumc.org> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:36:55 -0700     Whether this is good or bad I am unsure, but in the Episcopal Church, according to Canon law, the Rector has total authority regarding her or = his staff. Often times, Rectors share this responsibility with their = parishes, but this is their choice. Unfortunately, because of this part of our Canons, there are many unfair and often unkind dismissals, and it is in no way confined to just musicians!   As an Episcopalian and a musician, I choose to accept the fact that the bottom line is the Rector of the parish. I left a very nice position recently when our Rector retired, choosing to take a job that I knew I = would like, rather than waiting to see if a new Rector would keep all of us.   During my almost 20 years as an Episcopalian musician, Every job = (including my most recent) I have gotten was due to a clergy switch.   Life is often very unfair. Often filled with abundant gifts. I'm not = sure I agree with the practice of Rector hiring/firing at will. I've seen both sides of the coin, but I am still an active and for the most part happy member of the Episcopal Church.   Randy Terry    
(back) Subject: San Fran Austin From: "Randy Terry" <randyterry@laumc.org> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:47:57 -0700     If the San Francisco Austin Project ever really comes to fruition, it will be better than where it is now! My worry is that the organ won't stand up to odd weather conditions in The City. Who knows? Of course, the organ will never have the same impact that a real "room" would give it, either.   The really sad thing is that these wonderful old organs (The Minneapolis = and Memphis Kimballs, for example) are so darn big that once deemed redundant = in their original homes it is rare to find them a new location - regardless = of money!    
(back) Subject: commissioned work - further info (X-posted) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:17:10 -0700   Since the response has been so overwhelming, I am asking everyone who is interested to submit a sketch of the Gradual (only), since that's the shortest piece in the set. Deadline is Nov. 30, 2000; deadline for the completed set is June 1, 2001. All entries should be typeset (Finale or Sibelius is fine) or be in VERY clear manuscript, as the choir will sing through them as part of the selection process. Please include a SASE if you want your sketch back.   I hasten to add that this is NOT a lucrative commission ... somewhere in the range of $500 to $1000 ... I am thinking I'll pull the Offertory from it and use a pre-existing setting ... that would reduce the amount of work considerably. The most important items are the Introit and Gradual/Alleluia in any case.   Further questions? Please e-mail me privately.   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Old St. Mary's Organ, San Francisco From: "Nick Grbac" <NickGTV@webtv.net> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:25:17 -0700 (PDT)   A few years ago, the organ from Old St. Mary's Church in San Francisco was removed. I was wondering if anyone knows its whereabouts?   NickGTV    
(back) Subject: Re: ST.Mary the Virgin Letter in TAO From: <JKVDP@aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:37:45 EDT   I don't have my TAO available at the moment. However I believe there was = a box at the beginning of the "Positions Available" classified section at = the back of the magazine which declared that disagreement between the church = and the AGO had been resolved. Was that letter supposed to be an apology or what? Does the AGO believe that justice has been done? It appears to me = that the rector won...hands down! However, if we are going to behave like a = blue collar union I guess we can expect to be treated in such a way. Jerry in Seattle who truly has mixed opinions on the whole thing.  
(back) Subject: 3 New Books: French, Bach, Wanamaker From: "William T. Van Pelt" <bill@organsociety.org> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:46:31 -0400   Three new books are on the opening page of the OHS Catalog http://www.ohscatalog.org   1) Back in Print: Orpha Ochse: "Organs and Organ Playing in 19th-Century France and Belgium." A softbound edition returns this very good book to availability. Ochse traces the golden age of the organ profession in = France and Belgium through the careers of Saint-Sa=EBns, Franck, Gigout, = Guilmant, Widor, and other influential figures. Originally published in 1994 and out-of-print for about two years.   2) Back in Print: George Stauffer & Ernest May: "J. S. Bach as Organist." = A landmark published in 1986, these essays widely influence and inform performers. Some of the 15 contributors include Christoph Wolff, Marie-Claire Alain, Harald Vogel, Peter Williams, Luigi Ferdinando Tagliavini, John Brombaugh, George Stauffer, Robert L. Marshall, and = Ernest May.   3) NEW From the Friends of the Wanamaker Organ: "The World's Greatest = Organ: Wanamaker Store, Philadelphia, 1917" This is a facsimile edition of a 24-page booklet published by the store in 1917. It describes in prose and photographs the largest organ in the world and includes a fold-out = engraving of the organ facade. For $6, it is an interesting addition to the organ library and supports the work of the Friends as well as OHS.   Bill          
(back) Subject: St. Mary the Virgin From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:42:03 -0500   I am very supportive of the AGO (having served as a chapter officer for = the last three years), and have waited until I received my own TAO in the mail this evening and read the letter before commenting. However, many small details seem to have escaped me. Was Babcock's tenure uncontracted and at will, or pursuant to contract/letter of agreement? And what is the end result or accomplishment of the AGO at this point - what good did the national action of censure really do, if an accommodation has been made, = no apology has been offered and apparently nothing has changed?   I do not mean to sound critical, but am sincerely interested in this incident and the consequences to organists and to employers in future terminations. I hope this is not off-topic; if so, please respond privately.   Glenda Sutton      
(back) Subject: Re: ST.Mary the Virgin Letter in TAO From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:21:21   At 06:37 PM 8/30/2000 EDT, you wrote: >However, if we are going to behave like a blue >collar union I guess we can expect to be treated in such a way.<snip>   It's this defeatist attitude that has caused workers' standards of living to decline precipitously since the RayGun era. Keep it up, and next thing you know, WE'LL be crossing the border into Mexico to go work in = maquiladoras!   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: St. Mary the Virgin From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:44:34 -0700   Not off-topic at all ...we're working church organists ... this is our LIVELIHOOD we're talking about ... though I stirred up a MAJOR hornet's = nest on Anglican Church Music by asking the same questions and pointing out that = not ALL clergy are candidates for canonization. Some priests got downright = offended (grin). They need more bran in their diets. Anyway ...   In both ECUSA and the ACC canon law states that the hiring and firing of musicians is the SOLE prerogative of the Rector. I don't know if the staff submitting pro forma resignations when a new Rector arrives is law or = custom .... I've never been in a situation that called for it. I've outlived = three Rectors, at least (grin).   BUT, (and this may vary from state to state) in California, churches also = must be incorporated as donor-deductible nonprofit tax-exempt corporations with = a board of directors (which is usually but not always the Vestry ... our corporate secretary and corporate treasurer aren't necessarily Vestry = members, but they're members of the Board of Directors ... I think by PARISH = by-laws the Rector is the chairman of the CORPORATION); therefore they are bound by = the employment, disability, health etc. laws of the State of California.   California is a "fire-at-will" state, but IF a contract exists between a musician and a parish, it is legally binding, and can be enforced by court action, as the Episcopal Diocese of San Diego found out, much to their = sorrow and resulting damage to their pocketbook. The Bishop refused to intervene = when a parish wrongfully terminated an organist; she turned around and sued the parish AND the diocese; she prevailed, and bought a nice house with a = swimming pool in Mission Hills (grin).   Courts are loathe in general to interfere in internecine church fights, = but when they do, canon law is null (for the most part) before the courts. Our dissident bishops found that out when they split and tried to take all the churches' properties with them. They pleaded the canons; the courts said = "no way!"   I suppose there are some areas, like gender discrimination, orientation, = etc., where the courts won't quash canon law, but in matters of property, = employment, health, safety, etc. the state or federal law prevails. *I* found that out = in researching disabled access to the organ loft. The federal ADA stops at = the church door for reasons of church-state issues; BUT, the law allows states = to set higher standards, and California does. So we have to have an elevator.   I haven't seen the TAO letter ... I wish somebody would post it, if it = isn't too long, or send it to me privately, but I gather from the comments that = the Rector of St. Mary's quoted canon law at the Guild and the Guild folded. Typical. The Guild wouldn't involve themselves in the San Diego matter = either. That's why *I* don't belong to the Guild. They've never done anything a = labor union is supposed to do for its members. The pictures in the magazine are pretty, and the conventions are usually fun, but what else do they really = do, at least in the area of job security, working conditions, benefits, = grievances, etc.? I had hopes for the NYC chapter ... they're usually pretty militant = ... but evidently not in this case.   Cheers,   Bud   Glenda wrote:   > I am very supportive of the AGO (having served as a chapter officer for = the > last three years), and have waited until I received my own TAO in the = mail > this evening and read the letter before commenting. However, many small > details seem to have escaped me. Was Babcock's tenure uncontracted and = at > will, or pursuant to contract/letter of agreement? And what is the end > result or accomplishment of the AGO at this point - what good did the > national action of censure really do, if an accommodation has been made, = no > apology has been offered and apparently nothing has changed? > > I do not mean to sound critical, but am sincerely interested in this > incident and the consequences to organists and to employers in future > terminations. I hope this is not off-topic; if so, please respond > privately. > > Glenda Sutton > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: ST.Mary the Virgin Letter in TAO From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:45:25 -0700   Well, Bob, we'd do pretty well ... most churches south of the border have = vintage Hammonds (grin).   Cheers,   Bud   Bob Scarborough wrote:   > At 06:37 PM 8/30/2000 EDT, you wrote: > >However, if we are going to behave like a blue > >collar union I guess we can expect to be treated in such a way.<snip> > > It's this defeatist attitude that has caused workers' standards of = living > to decline precipitously since the RayGun era. Keep it up, and next = thing > you know, WE'LL be crossing the border into Mexico to go work in = maquiladoras! > > DeserTBoB > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org