PipeChat Digest #1683 - Saturday, December 2, 2000
 
RE: Wachet auf LOCATED
  by "Darrell Coons" <dcoons@netacc.net>
Re: (was Advent Music)
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Corsets and Advent Music
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
A Moment of Silence for Alan Miller Laufman
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
Re: Corsets and Advent Music
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Organ clip art
  by "Hugh Drogemuller" <lon.hdrogemuller@wwdc.com>
Re: Organ clip art
  by "Robert Ehrhardt" <r_ehrh@bellsouth.net>
Re: Corsets and Advent Music
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net>
Moral Guidance Committee?
  by <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: Wachet auf LOCATED
  by "Stephen Ohmer" <knopfregal@yahoo.com>
Re: Moral Guidance Committee?
  by "Stephen Ohmer" <knopfregal@yahoo.com>
R. I. P. Alan Miller Laufman
  by "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com>
Re: Advent Music
  by "Jeffrey Trimble" <jtrimble@cc.ysu.edu>
Re: Advent Music
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: Corsets and Advent Music
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: Corsets and Advent Music
  by "Adrianne Schutt" <maybe@pipcom.com>
a dynamic duo
  by "Randy Terry" <randyterry@laumc.org>
Re: Wachet auf LOCATED(Discounted Music)
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: Corsets and Advent Music
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: Wacket auf Liturgically
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
RIP Alan Miller Laufman Xposted
  by "Mack" <dm726@delphi.com>
Re:RIP Allen Laufman!
  by "Stu Ballinger" <wa2bss@vh.net>
Re: a dynamic duo
  by <JKVDP@aol.com>
Re: Wacket auf Liturgically
  by "Stanley E Yoder" <syoder+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Fwd: Alan Lauman
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
RE:  A dynamic duo
  by <Wurlibird1@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: RE: Wachet auf LOCATED From: "Darrell Coons" <dcoons@netacc.net> Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 07:16:42 -0500   > > If this is incorrect, Volume Ten has the complete > > index of titles and tune names. I understand that > > the improvisations have been reissued by > > MorningStar, > > This is approximately correct, however, there as I understand it, there = is > not direct one to one correspondence between the two sets. That is, the > first volume from Morningstar is not necessarily the same as volume I of > the Concordia series.   I wrote to Morningstar when they first began re-issuing the Manz books and asked if they intended to offer the original series again. They said no, they were "re-packaging" them to make them more useful. Maybe, for someone who has none of the originals and wants to start from scratch, but at the time I was only missing one volume of the old set. Not too useful for me = or others in my situation.    
(back) Subject: Re: (was Advent Music) From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 20:27:17 +0800   I don't WANT to be liturgically correct. It is like wearing a tight pair = of corsets to me. I play what I like. The minister picks the hymns, I pick = the organ music!! End of story (and the Minister is quite happy with that situation; = so is the congregation!) Bob Elms.. And, by the way, I have never worn corsets! Just a figure of speech!   CdyVanpool@aol.com wrote:   > > I don't know about all of you, but I could never play Christmas music = during > > Advent. They are 2 distinct seasons. > > Yes, I know that. I am a liturgically trained musician.    
(back) Subject: Corsets and Advent Music From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 09:23:47 -0500   I guess I'm too innocent for this conversation. I didn't even know they CAME in pairs.   Alan   > From: Bob Elms <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> > Subject: Re: (was Advent Music) > > It is like wearing a tight pair of corsets to me.    
(back) Subject: A Moment of Silence for Alan Miller Laufman From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 08:28:25 -0600   Dear fellow Pipechatters,   To honor the passing of Alan Miller Laufman, your List Administrators have decided to observe an official "moment of silence" on the Pipechat email = list.   The Listserver will be shut down for one hour, between 6PM and 7PM Central Standard Time this evening (Friday, December 1), allowing us all to = reflect upon the many blessings which Alan's life and work have bestowed upon the organ world.   Any mail sent to the server within this "silent time" will be queued, and will be sent immediately upon the server's restarting.   Thank you all for your patience and respect.   David Scribner Tim Bovard Pipechat Co-Administrators <admin@pipechat.org>              
(back) Subject: Re: Corsets and Advent Music From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 09:41:31 -0500   oh boy!!! Forget about wether they come in pairs. You're all dating yourselves when you mention corsets <G>.   Carlo    
(back) Subject: Organ clip art From: "Hugh Drogemuller" <lon.hdrogemuller@wwdc.com> Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 10:15:29 -0500   Can any one suggest an on-line source for color clip art that would be suitable for the front page of the program guide for an organ recital ?   Thanks,   HD    
(back) Subject: Re: Organ clip art From: "Robert Ehrhardt" <r_ehrh@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 09:26:45 -0600   Try http://www.ladylane.com/music/pipeorgan/index.html     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hugh Drogemuller" <lon.hdrogemuller@wwdc.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 9:15 AM Subject: Organ clip art     > Can any one suggest an on-line source for color clip art that would be > suitable for the front page of the program guide for an organ recital ? > > Thanks, > > HD > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Re: Corsets and Advent Music From: "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net> Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 11:09:36 -0500       Carlo Pietroniro wrote: > > oh boy!!! Forget about wether they come in pairs. You're all dating > yourselves when you mention corsets <G>. >   Bah! Another young whippersnapper getting too big for his britches! ....Fast women and rumble seats too, I'll bet. Pump the bellows next Sunday morning, lad, and no dancing or other amusements lest you be tempted to stare at a well turned ankle or calf.   Get your mind out of the gutter and think of something wholesome that you can do for the church for Advent.   Perhaps, a soprano or two in the swell chamber?   Oh...but that may have been done already....   signed, The PipeChat Moral Guidance Committee  
(back) Subject: Moral Guidance Committee? From: <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net> Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 11:18:17 -0500 (EST)   Does that mean, Herr Stan, that you guide us on the moral dilemmas of whether to use mutations on hymns? (just kidding)   That's just what this groups needs, uh huh. More moral guidance.   That made my day :)   Neil B. Barnegat, NJ    
(back) Subject: Re: Wachet auf LOCATED From: "Stephen Ohmer" <knopfregal@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 09:38:02 -0800 (PST)   MorningStar reissued the improvisations, but re-volumed the entire set, too! Makes good sense, but if you already have the original ten, why spend all that money to purchase the new arrangement? Unless they have added more pieces.   Stephen Ohmer --- Noel Stoutenburg <mjolnir@ticnet.com> wrote: > > > Stephen Ohmer wrote, in part: > > > If this is incorrect, Volume Ten has the > complete > > index of titles and tune names. I understand > that > > the improvisations have been reissued by > > MorningStar, > > This is approximately correct, however, there > as I understand it, there is > not direct one to one correspondence between > the two sets. That is, the > first volume from Morningstar is not > necessarily the same as volume I of > the Concordia series. > > ns > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: Moral Guidance Committee? From: "Stephen Ohmer" <knopfregal@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 09:43:02 -0800 (PST)   Hmmmm-this could be an interesting new thread - the use of mutants in hymns. I've had a few of them in my choirs in the past..... Ohmer --- Innkawgneeto@webtv.net wrote: > Does that mean, Herr Stan, that you guide us on > the moral dilemmas of > whether to use mutations on hymns? (just > kidding) > > That's just what this groups needs, uh huh. > More moral guidance. > > That made my day :) > > Neil B. > Barnegat, NJ > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: R. I. P. Alan Miller Laufman From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 12:46:44 -0500   Alan Miller Laufman born 10 October 1935, died 30 November 2000 age 65 of cancer. A caring friend to me, and a great loss to his family and many friends. It was a privilege to know him, and an honor to be his friend. May he Rest in Peace, now that his pain and struggles are done. The pipe organ world will feel his loss and never be the same. Judy Ollikkala  
(back) Subject: Re: Advent Music From: "Jeffrey Trimble" <jtrimble@cc.ysu.edu> Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 13:04:45 -0500   Someone mentioned placing a soprano in a swell box. I have one better:   PLACIN MY NON-TRAINED CHOIR DIRECTOR IN THE SWELL BOX. KEEP THE DOORS CLOSED.   Now the choir sounds better. :-)     Jeffrey A. Trimble Trinity United Methodist Church Organist Youngstown, Ohio  
(back) Subject: Re: Advent Music From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 16:33:12 EST   Hey Jeffrey:   I got a choir director that isn't worth the powder to blow her up with! Can I put her in your swell box too? These two might actually have = something in common like you and I do! She thinks she's a soprano too. Another Florence Foster Jenkins wanabe. My choir director would be away from me and in closer proximity to you, locked up in your swell box not mine!   It's good to have fun with this and be able to let off steam! Send some prayers in my direction too, I need them, BADLY!   Regards,   Ron Severin   Someone mentioned placing a soprano in a swell box. I have one better:   PLACIN MY NON-TRAINED CHOIR DIRECTOR IN THE SWELL BOX. KEEP THE DOORS CLOSED.   Now the choir sounds better. :-)     Jeffrey A. Trimble Trinity United Methodist Church Organist Youngstown, Ohio   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Corsets and Advent Music From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 16:40:11 EST   Hi Stan:   You are absolutely priceless! I laughed until I cried. We need a bit of humor on occasion.   Carlo Pietroniro wrote: > > oh boy!!! Forget about wether they come in pairs. You're all dating > yourselves when you mention corsets <G>. >   Bah! Another young whippersnapper getting too big for his britches! ....Fast women and rumble seats too, I'll bet. Pump the bellows next Sunday morning, lad, and no dancing or other amusements lest you be tempted to stare at a well turned ankle or calf.   Get your mind out of the gutter and think of something wholesome that you can do for the church for Advent.   Perhaps, a soprano or two in the swell chamber?   Oh...but that may have been done already....   signed, The PipeChat Moral Guidance Committee   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   Regards,   Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: Re: Corsets and Advent Music From: "Adrianne Schutt" <maybe@pipcom.com> Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 16:46:43 -0500   At 11:09 AM 12/1/00 -0500, The PipeChat Moral Guidance Committee wrote: >Get your mind out of the gutter and think of something wholesome that >you can do for the church for Advent. > >Perhaps, a soprano or two in the swell chamber?   <incredulous stare, right eyebrow bouncing off ceiling>   Eye no wee all cheque our spelling/etc is write every thyme wee post two the Liszt, but I gotta ask....   Is the Moral Guidance Committee *really* recommending that Carlo "do...a soprano or two in the swell chamber"????   Stan, I think you just earned a personal invitation to tonight's IRC session. *chuckle*   Have fun! Ad ;->    
(back) Subject: a dynamic duo From: "Randy Terry" <randyterry@laumc.org> Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 13:48:21 -0800   Is there any such thing as an organist and director in most regular = churches that really jell as a team who truly compliment each other?   I have never worked with a choir director that I respected as a musician, and since I am not perfect I certainly don't expect them to be!   When I left my last split position I promised myself that was the last = time. My partner was quite musical - a good pianist, excellent singer, etc. She was a music education person and it was hard for her to work with adults. What sent me over the edge was when she got a $2,000.00 raise and I got nothing!   <steaming no more!>   Randy      
(back) Subject: Re: Wachet auf LOCATED(Discounted Music) From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 17:06:04 EST   Hi Darrell:   I guess I got lucky a few years ago. I bought the whole ten volume set on publisher sale for $29.95 (Paul Manz)   By the way, Kalmus is offering 50% off most of their organ music until Jan. 1, 2001. Get while the get'en is good. I bought a ton of stuff. They take phone orders 1-800-628-1528 call for a cat. Their choral Music is 50% off too! Don't miss this one!   Regards,   Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: Re: Corsets and Advent Music From: <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 17:09:52 EST   In a message dated 12/1/00 3:47:30 PM Central Standard Time, = maybe@pipcom.com writes:   << Is the Moral Guidance Committee *really* recommending that Carlo "do...a soprano or two in the swell chamber"???? >>   I hope the soprano(s) in question aren't boy sopranos!   John  
(back) Subject: Re: Wacket auf Liturgically From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 17:28:23 EST   Hi List:   The tune and the words in German and English reflect the season of Advent perhaps the third Sunday. The Bach version is truely magnificent! It reflects the readings of Advent and the "Second Coming." Not the first, which is Christmas.   Regards,   Ron Severin   PS Enjoy the Paul Manz works too.  
(back) Subject: RIP Alan Miller Laufman Xposted From: "Mack" <dm726@delphi.com> Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 17:43:39 -0500   I wish to add my voice to the sorrow of losing Alan. He delivered a great service and worked diligently at it.   I worked with Alan, when he worked at Andover Organ Co,. for the summer when he was still teaching school. He was fun to be around and I believe at that time we also started working on an organ he saved for a church. It was still almost a hobby then, but his dedication to saving these organs never wavered,   The organ world is a much better place because Alan passed this way.   Dave McPeak    
(back) Subject: Re:RIP Allen Laufman! From: "Stu Ballinger" <wa2bss@vh.net> Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 17:52:31 -0500   To All: The last time that I saw Allen was @ the Convention ( Boston, = this year!) & he didn't look good @ that time! I got to meet @ talk w/ him 5 years ago @ the Convention ( Mich.) , @ Supper b4 the Holy Cross RC Church in Marine City, Recitial & @ the time he was vey friendly & asked how things were going w/ the Bardavon Theater Organ ( 1928 Original Wurlitzer installation!), & I told him, & he nodded! " May his Soul, & all the rest of the fathfully departed, May he Rest in Peace!" "Well done good & faithful servant to the organ Community1"   Stu Ballinger!  
(back) Subject: Re: a dynamic duo From: <JKVDP@aol.com> Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 18:57:43 EST   In a message dated 00-12-01 16:53:46 EST, randyterry@laumc.org writes:   >What sent me over the edge was when she got a $2,000.00 raise and I got >nothing! Which begs the question: for what are employers (churches) willing to pay really well? How many places do we know where high standards of repertoire =   command high salaries? Are there employers which place a priority on elevating the musical tastes of the congregation? Are there employers = truly interested in really high musical standards? Jerry in Seattle    
(back) Subject: Re: Wacket auf Liturgically From: "Stanley E Yoder" <syoder+@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 19:34:43 -0500 (EST)   The chorale is certainly appropriate for the 24th Sunday after Pentecost (or, in the Revised Common Lectionary, the Sunday between Nov. 6 and 12 inclusive, Proper 27), year A in the three-year sequence, where the Gospel is St. Matthew 25:1-13, the parable of the wise and foolish bridesmaids (no longer assumed to be virgins!) It seems that many of the minatory readings re the second coming have been backed out of Advent to the last of the Pentecost season in November.   BTW, if you want a great organ romp on Vahket Owf (to complete the phonetic spelling), look up Karg-Elert's improvisation, op.65, vol.3. It's a gas to play. Stan Yoder Pittsburgh  
(back) Subject: Fwd: Alan Lauman From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 20:50:40 -0600   I received the following this evening during our "Moment of Silence" hour in honor of Alan and wanted to pass it along to the list since it has the information about Alan's Memorial Service   David   >Dear Friends: Alan passed away peacefully Thursday, November 30, in >Cambridge. There will be a memorial Mass at 3:00 and recital at 7:00 >at Immaculate Conception in Boston February 4th, 2001. >Hope to see you there. >George Bozeman, Jr.   -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: RE: A dynamic duo From: <Wurlibird1@aol.com> Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 23:36:46 EST   Greetings Listers,   Jerry in Seattle wrote:     >Which begs the question: for what are employers (churches) willing to = pay< >really well? How many places do we know where high standards of = repertoire< >command high salaries? Are there employers which place a priority on < >elevating the musical tastes of the congregation? Are there employers = truly< >interested in really high musical standards?<<   Jerry, your questions have merit and deserve consideration. Unfortunately, =   both the questions and answers are in the subjective case. High standards =   are relative to the congregations under consideration and their = recognition that improvement is either desirable or necessary. I have been most fortunate to occasionally experience clergy who held to higher than normal =   expectations from the organist and choir. The converse is also true. I = have also been unfortunate to be in settings where the epitome of excellence = was a men's quartet singing in the Bill Gaither Vocal Band style. Yuk! I do = share your concerns, however.   In regard to paying for excellence, first comes its recognition - then = comes its reward. It is most distressing that the majority of congregants (employers) have not the slightest clue regarding liturgical offerings in = the classical vein. This is evidenced when I get compliments on the Wider, Batch, Boleman that I occasionally play, not to even mention the Hay-den = and Mullet. You've got to figure if they cannot even pronounce it, they are clueless as to its worth and contribution.   But I have an overriding fear that we may all soon be impacted with a = greater concern which is couched in warm and fuzzy terms: neo-traditional, contemporary forms, and blended worship. Hopefully you will be spared = from this Renewal Music which, at times, can best be described as a = Hoot-en-Nanny. I really strive to be flexible and compatible but I fear if this is the = new direction in worship music, I will choose a different compass.   Sorry. Off my soap box for now.   Jim Pitts