PipeChat Digest #1684 - Saturday, December 2, 2000
 
Re: Corsets and Advent Music
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: a dynamic duo
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: Advent Music
  by "Maynard Cuppy" <cuppy.maynard@mcleodusa.net>
Re: Florence Foster Jenkins
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
Re: Advent Music
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: Florence Foster Jenkins
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: Florence Foster Jenkins
  by "Robert Ehrhardt" <r_ehrh@bellsouth.net>
Re: A dynamic duo
  by <Puppydawgbreath@cs.com>
Re: Florence Foster Jenkins
  by <Puppydawgbreath@cs.com>
Re: A dynamic duo
  by <Steskinner@aol.com>
St.Thomas Choir School
  by <DudelK@aol.com>
St. Thomas Choir School -- xposted
  by <DudelK@aol.com>
Re: Florence Foster Jenkins
  by "Stephen F. P. Karr" <karr_sf@acadmn.mercer.edu>
Question?
  by "Stu Ballinger" <wa2bss@vh.net>
Re: Flo Foster-Jenkins
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: a dynamic duo
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Florence Foster Jenkins
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
RE: A Dynamic Duo (needs renaming)
  by <Wurlibird1@aol.com>
RE: Singing from the Swell
  by <Wurlibird1@aol.com>
Fw: Florence Foster Jenkins
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
RE: A dynamic duo
  by "Randy Terry" <randyterry@laumc.org>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Corsets and Advent Music From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 20:49:24 +0800   Pairs? Well my granny's were laced back and front. They could be separated.   Carlo Pietroniro wrote:   > oh boy!!! Forget about wether they come in pairs. You're all dating > yourselves when you mention corsets <G>. > > Carlo > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE: http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   -- ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/      
(back) Subject: Re: a dynamic duo From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 20:54:53 +0800   My co-organist and I (as co-organist and choir director) have worked as a = team for the past 30 years in the one church. We have had no complaints against = each other, and we are not paid a cent for our work. Weddings and funerals are = paid, services not. Bob Elms.   Randy Terry wrote:   > Is there any such thing as an organist and director in most regular = churches > that really jell as a team who truly compliment each other? > > I have never worked with a choir director that I respected as a = musician, > and since I am not perfect I certainly don't expect them to be! > > When I left my last split position I promised myself that was the last = time. > My partner was quite musical - a good pianist, excellent singer, etc. = She > was a music education person and it was hard for her to work with = adults. > What sent me over the edge was when she got a $2,000.00 raise and I got > nothing! > > <steaming no more!> > > Randy > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE: http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   -- ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/      
(back) Subject: Re: Advent Music From: "Maynard Cuppy" <cuppy.maynard@mcleodusa.net> Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 07:19:17 -0600   RonSeverin@aol.com wrote:   > Another Florence Foster Jenkins wanabe.   Ah, FFJ, my favorite soprano. Possibly the greatest soprano of the 20th = century ;) Love her Queen of the Night. I wonder if we aren't dating ourselves a little bit. Are there any list members who haven't heard this marvelous = voice?   > > > PLACIN MY NON-TRAINED CHOIR DIRECTOR IN THE > SWELL BOX. KEEP THE DOORS CLOSED.   My two absolute worst choir directors were both flute players. The first = took the job because she thought it would be fun to direct a church choir. I = don't think the second had ever set foot inside a church before she took the = job. At least while she was there her father sang tenor in the choir. It was a = loss when he left; she wasn't.   I've had good choirs, good choir directors, and good organs. When am I = going to get all 3 in the same place? I'm not getting any younger, you know. It = just occurred to me that I have the last 2 right now (both small, but good). I = guess I should give thanks for what I have.   Have a good Advent season.   Maynard   > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Florence Foster Jenkins From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 08:23:25 -0600   I have not heard this soprano, although a mentor and fellow parishioner mentioned her name just the other day in much the same glowing terms. OK, where do I find recordings?   You may respond privately since it is my guess she's not playing organ in any of them.   Thanks much,   Glenda Sutton   > RonSeverin@aol.com wrote: > > > Another Florence Foster Jenkins wanabe. > > Ah, FFJ, my favorite soprano. Possibly the greatest soprano of the 20th century > ;) Love her Queen of the Night. I wonder if we aren't dating ourselves = a > little bit. Are there any list members who haven't heard this marvelous voice?        
(back) Subject: Re: Advent Music From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 22:40:30 +0800   Ron, you must have a great sense of humour. Yes! I have Florence's records = but never in my whole life have I heard such a voice!!! Excruciating is the only = word. So bad that she's hilariously funny! I often wondered if she really knew how bad = she was. Bob E.   Maynard Cuppy wrote:   > RonSeverin@aol.com wrote: > > > Another Florence Foster Jenkins wanabe. > > Ah, FFJ, my favorite soprano. Possibly the greatest soprano of the 20th = century > ;) Love her Queen of the Night. I wonder if we aren't dating ourselves = a > little bit. Are there any list members who haven't heard this marvelous = voice? > > > > > > > PLACIN MY NON-TRAINED CHOIR DIRECTOR IN THE > > SWELL BOX. KEEP THE DOORS CLOSED. > > My two absolute worst choir directors were both flute players. The = first took > the job because she thought it would be fun to direct a church choir. I = don't > think the second had ever set foot inside a church before she took the = job. At > least while she was there her father sang tenor in the choir. It was a = loss > when he left; she wasn't. > > I've had good choirs, good choir directors, and good organs. When am I = going to > get all 3 in the same place? I'm not getting any younger, you know. It = just > occurred to me that I have the last 2 right now (both small, but good). = I guess > I should give thanks for what I have. > > Have a good Advent season. > > Maynard > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE: http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   -- ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/      
(back) Subject: Re: Florence Foster Jenkins From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 22:49:03 +0800   Glenda, apparently you have not heard F. F. Jenkins? I have recordings of = her. The story is that she had a buring ambition to be a concert soprano but = noone would take her on, because she just could not sing in tune. The lady then decided to go out on her own account and stage her own concerts and = recording sessions. She was so BAD that the audiences lapped it up and wanted more, so that, = in spite of her lack of talent or voice she became famous. She attempts to = sing the most demanding of operatic arias. She is off key most of the time and sometimes in attempting a high note comes out with the sort of noise that = sends the audience into paroxyms of laughter. Ron, of course, has his tongue firmly planted in his cheek. If you would really like to hear her, send me your postal address and I'll = see if I can find the recording. I think I still have it. Bob Elms.   Glenda wrote:   > I have not heard this soprano, although a mentor and fellow parishioner > mentioned her name just the other day in much the same glowing terms. = OK, > where do I find recordings? > > You may respond privately since it is my guess she's not playing organ = in > any of them. > > Thanks much, > > Glenda Sutton > > > RonSeverin@aol.com wrote: > > > > > Another Florence Foster Jenkins wanabe. > > > > Ah, FFJ, my favorite soprano. Possibly the greatest soprano of the = 20th > century > > ;) Love her Queen of the Night. I wonder if we aren't dating = ourselves a > > little bit. Are there any list members who haven't heard this = marvelous > voice?        
(back) Subject: Re: Florence Foster Jenkins From: "Robert Ehrhardt" <r_ehrh@bellsouth.net> Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 09:51:35 -0600   Mme. Foster Jenkins is supposed to have said, "They may say I couldn't = sing but they can't say I didn't sing."   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 8:49 AM Subject: Re: Florence Foster Jenkins     > Glenda, apparently you have not heard F. F. Jenkins? I have recordings = of her. > The story is that she had a buring ambition to be a concert soprano but noone > would take her on, because she just could not sing in tune. The lady = then > decided to go out on her own account and stage her own concerts and recording > sessions. > She was so BAD that the audiences lapped it up and wanted more, so that, in > spite of her lack of talent or voice she became famous. She attempts to sing > the most demanding of operatic arias. She is off key most of the time = and > sometimes in attempting a high note comes out with the sort of noise = that sends > the audience into paroxyms of laughter. > Ron, of course, has his tongue firmly planted in his cheek.      
(back) Subject: Re: A dynamic duo From: <Puppydawgbreath@cs.com> Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 10:55:56 EST   In a message dated 12/1/00 11:38:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, Wurlibird1@aol.com writes:   << But I have an overriding fear that we may all soon be impacted with a greater concern which is couched in warm and fuzzy terms: neo-traditional, contemporary forms, and blended worship. Hopefully you will be spared = from this Renewal Music which, at times, can best be described as a Hoot-en-Nanny. I really strive to be flexible and compatible but I fear if this is the = new direction in worship music, I will choose a different compass. >>   Which really takes the edge off of being old! I really feel for the = young folks who are coming up now and will have to put up with this stuff for = their entire career. I only had to live with it for about fifteen years, and = that was FAR to long. I really sometimes enjoy good folk music, but when it replaces (as it so often does) that which really touches my soul I am left =   empty. At least now it is no longer a necessity in my life, and the = bright side is that I only have fifteen or twenty more years to endure it. The young 'uns have my deepest sympathy. Although I do envy them being = around better organs than my generation was, even if they are not as common in worship.   Bruce, still in the Beagles Nest with the Baskerbeagles... visit us: Ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502 (aroooooooooO) but working from another computer since mine is in a REALLLY REALLLLY BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD MOOOD!!! (It's gone to the detention center for a couple of weeks)  
(back) Subject: Re: Florence Foster Jenkins From: <Puppydawgbreath@cs.com> Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 11:21:35 EST   In a message dated 12/2/00 9:22:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com writes:   << You may respond privately since it is my guess she's not playing organ = in any of them. >>   Oh, but everyone should have a copy to play for their choir! I remember = a senior recital tape from Baylor by a student known only then as "Diane". =   The tape was a hoot and she would have been a perfect accompanist for Florence Foster Jenkins. I have never heard such magnificent crash-burn-recover playing. It truly was amazing.   Bruce, still in the Beagles Nest with the Baskerbeagles... visit us: Ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502 (aroooooooooO) but working from another computer since mine is in a REALLLY REALLLLY BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD MOOOD!!! (It's gone to the detention center for a couple of weeks)  
(back) Subject: Re: A dynamic duo From: <Steskinner@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 11:32:30 EST   In a message dated 12/1/00 11:38:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, Wurlibird1@aol.com writes:   <<It is most distressing that the majority of congregants (employers) have not the slightest clue regarding liturgical offerings in =   the classical vein. This is evidenced when I get compliments on the Wider, Batch, Boleman that I occasionally play, not to even mention the Hay-den = and Mullet. You've got to figure if they cannot even pronounce it, they are clueless as to its worth and contribution.>>   Why is it distressing if the congregants don't "have the slightest clue regarding liturgical offerings in the classical vein?" They are not there = to write a review, nor to enjoy a concert, nor be educated in the artistic merits of fine, classical music.   Two comments: 1) IF they are indeed clueless as to its worth, does that not = indicate that, for them, it has very little worth, and therefore, its contribution = is very small? 2) Just because they cannot pronounce the composer's name does not indicate anything other than their unfamiliarity with pronunciation. It is = an unwarranted conclusion that ignorance in foreign pronunciation equals "clueless as to worth and contribution."   Music in worship cannot be judged solely on its artistic merits, but on = how well it serves the purpose for which it is intended, altho the artistic merits MAY play a part in how well it serves that purpose.   <<But I have an overriding fear that we may all soon be impacted with a greater concern which is couched in warm and fuzzy terms: neo-traditional, contemporary forms, and blended worship. Hopefully you will be spared = from this Renewal Music which, at times, can best be described as a Hoot-en-Nanny. I really strive to be flexible and compatible but I fear if this is the = new direction in worship music, I will choose a different compass. >>   The broad brush really does not serve well in describing Renewal (read: = "New" or "folk") Music. Certainly SOME is "Hoot-en-Nanny" (and those would be different pieces for different perspectives), but some can also be = described as reflective, well-crafted, appropriate, and profound, banal, etc. My = task is to provide music that is a vehicle for our congregation's worship, and that means slogging through the billion or so newer expressions from Maranatha!, Hillsongs, Taize, Iona, and the other 18,000 Renewal = resources. Our church has experienced the most astonishing lack of controversy = regarding the use of CCM and other contemporary expressions. This may be because we =   have used renewal pieces in liturgically appropriate places, and have not abandoned the choirs, hymnal, organs (5/103 Schantz, 2/7 Skinner), or the handbells. We did add piano, congas, tambourine, and set on occasion. = It's fun!   Steven Skinner Minister of Music First Presbyterian Church of the Covenant Erie, PA  
(back) Subject: St.Thomas Choir School From: <DudelK@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 11:57:48 EST   There's a nice piece on the choir school in today's NYTimes at: http://www.nytimes.com/2000/12/02/nyregion/02CHOI.html   DudelK Washington, DC  
(back) Subject: St. Thomas Choir School -- xposted From: <DudelK@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 12:02:29 EST   There's a nice piece on the St. Thomas Choir School in today's NYTimes at: http://www.nytimes.com/2000/12/02/nyregion/02CHOI.html   DudelK Washington, DC  
(back) Subject: Re: Florence Foster Jenkins From: "Stephen F. P. Karr" <karr_sf@acadmn.mercer.edu> Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 12:23:04 -0500   Glenda wrote: > > I have not heard this soprano, although a mentor and fellow parishioner > mentioned her name just the other day in much the same glowing terms. = >OK, where do I find recordings? > > You may respond privately since it is my guess she's not playing organ = >in any of them.   She doesn't play organ, but listening to her recordings is a lesson in good accompanying skills, if you know what I mean. You can find "The Glory of the Human Voice (????)" on Amazon.com. It's truly an experience.   -Stephen  
(back) Subject: Question? From: "Stu Ballinger" <wa2bss@vh.net> Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 12:46:00 -0500   Was wondering what House # on Harrison Ave. in Boston, Immaculate Concept- ion Church is? The reason I ask, is would like to attend Alen's Memorial = Mass & Recitial in Febuary! Was wondering if someone from OHS can send a = post- card ( Those not on internet) The details of Alen's Memorial Service, & Recitial? Stu Ballinger ( 1995 OHS EBP Fellow!)  
(back) Subject: Re: Flo Foster-Jenkins From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 13:11:59 EST   The best thing was her accompanist, the ever faithful, beleaguered Cosme McMoon (I KID YOU NOT). She would end her concerts with a basket of = roses, which she would toss, one by one, into the audience, as one heard all the little white-gloved hands in muffled applause. If there was enough demand =   for an encore, poor Cosme would go out into the audience, COLLECT the = roses, so she could toss them again. Rumor has it that when she found out that = she was REALLY the object of ridicule, Flo died of a broken heart. As far as Cosme McMoon is concerned, he may have joined the Foreign Legion. One can =   still find these LPs in record bins in old dusty stores in NYC, and all = about the nation, I'm sure.   Sebastian Matthaus Gluck New York City  
(back) Subject: Re: a dynamic duo From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 10:45:29 -0800   My friends and colleagues have threatened to have "NO DIVIDED POSITIONS" = tattooed somewhere on my body if I ever even CONSIDER taking another.   My first experience, in junior high school, was great ... I was the = organist; the choirmaster had a DMA in choral conducting. Thinking back, I probably = learned MOST of what I know about getting the most out of volunteers from watching him.   My second experience, in high school, was so-so ... the bass soloist was = also the choirmaster ... his forte was musical comedy, NOT Anglican chant.   My third experience, as an undergraduate (and yes, they go consistently = downhill) was a disaster ... I took a position in a Polish RC church with Irish = clergy in a gritty Ohio steel town. I was the choirmaster; the organist was a Polish = lady in her seventies.THAT lasted about six months. But that IS where I found the Griesbacher Propers (grin).   My fourth and final experience some years ago put me in the hospital with = my first stroke. The choirmaster was a MAD comprimario tenor, retired from the Met; = the retired organist was the alto section leader. 'Nuff said ...   NEVER AGAIN (quoth he), if I have to go on WELFARE.   Cheers,   Bud the Returned        
(back) Subject: Re: Florence Foster Jenkins From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 14:44:25 EST   Hi Glenda:   FFJ was so bad, a terrible wobble, the only way she could get an audience was to buy all the tickets herself and invite her friends. She was well healed by judicious marriages, and could afford it! She was the Zaa Zaa of her time. She once bought out Carnegie Hall for a night to spend with her friends.   What brings this to mind? There was a musical fun machine on the market about 20 years ago with a FFJ voice sample. It was called simply "SILLY SOPRANO". I doubt if anyone would want to use it with their choir on Sunday morning through their midi. You may have enough of those already present, that haven't assumed room temperature like Florence.   Regards,   Ron Severin   I have not heard this soprano, although a mentor and fellow parishioner mentioned her name just the other day in much the same glowing terms. OK, where do I find recordings?   You may respond privately since it is my guess she's not playing organ in any of them.   Thanks much,   Glenda Sutton   > RonSeverin@aol.com wrote: > > > Another Florence Foster Jenkins wanabe. > > Ah, FFJ, my favorite soprano. Possibly the greatest soprano of the 20th century > ;) Love her Queen of the Night. I wonder if we aren't dating ourselves = a > little bit. Are there any list members who haven't heard this marvelous voice?  
(back) Subject: RE: A Dynamic Duo (needs renaming) From: <Wurlibird1@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 14:54:41 EST   Hello Listers,   Steve Skinner wrote:     <Why is it distressing if the congregants don't "have the slightest clue <regarding liturgical offerings in the classical vein?" They are not = there to <write a review, nor to enjoy a concert, nor be educated in the artistic <merits of fine, classical music.>   Steve, on close inspection you will find that my comments were in response = to questions raised by Jerry regarding high musical standards and efforts to raise those standards. I plainly stated that the questions and elicited answers are subjective. References to appreciation of classical music by = my parishioners was to reinforce that assertion. In a previous post I stated =   that my congregation has a much greater appreciation for Fred Bock and Don =   Wyrtzen than J.S. Bach and all the other classical composers. Thus, they = get both from me and not necessarily on balance. Perhaps if we did educate = out congregants on the deep religious faith which inspired many classical writers, a deeper since of appreciation for their compositions would = follow. Perhaps not. It is and shall remain subjective.   My stated concerns on contemporary music forms in worship are not for what =   they currently are but where they can ultimately lead us. Casual worship seems to me a contradiction in terms. In my opinion, cultural change = should not be the determinate in worship, be it music, message or mission. = Fearful that I stand in a shrinking minority, I nevertheless choose to stand, = broad brush in hand.   Jim                          
(back) Subject: RE: Singing from the Swell From: <Wurlibird1@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 15:11:50 EST   Fellow Listers,   Lets make a deal! I'll gladly take two or three of your Sopranos in a Box = if just one of you will take my alto with the octave vibrato. I have spent the = last month searching for a Swiss yodel Christmas cantata just to accommodate = this dear soul. No luck. She is the only Celeste voice I have ever had my choir.   Side bar: Chrysler will launch a new model to commemorate President = Clinton. Dealers can expect the Dodge Draft in late spring. :->   Lighten up, its Saturday.   Jim  
(back) Subject: Fw: Florence Foster Jenkins From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 15:21:11 -0500   From reading the posts on Ms. Jenkins (heehee), I wonder how Madam and Victor Borge could sound together? Mr. Borge is tops.   Rick     ----- Original Message ----- From: <Puppydawgbreath@cs.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 11:21 AM Subject: Re: Florence Foster Jenkins     > In a message dated 12/2/00 9:22:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, > gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com writes: > > << You may respond privately since it is my guess she's not playing = organ in > any of them. >> > > Oh, but everyone should have a copy to play for their choir! I = remember a > senior recital tape from Baylor by a student known only then as "Diane". > The tape was a hoot and she would have been a perfect accompanist for > Florence Foster Jenkins. I have never heard such magnificent > crash-burn-recover playing. It truly was amazing. > > Bruce, still in the Beagles Nest with the Baskerbeagles... > visit us: Ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502 (aroooooooooO) > but working from another computer since mine is in a REALLLY REALLLLY > BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD MOOOD!!! (It's gone to the detention center for a > couple of weeks) > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: RE: A dynamic duo From: "Randy Terry" <randyterry@laumc.org> Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 12:35:15 -0800   BRAVO STEVE SKINNER FOR YOUR COMMENTS BELOW! I have repeatedly said that = if we work with our colleagues who desire to incorporate some of this music = in liturgies we will do much to heal that time worn opinion of so many that organists, particularly, are inflexible and stodgy and unwilling to compromise about anything. One other point: How many classical compositions fall into the banal, even tacky category? There are many = banal "classical" pieces that we often play in weddings, particularly, without a thought. There are compositions of merit in all styles. Simple does not necessarily mean bad.   A last point: I embraced renewal music after attending a Cursillo = weekend, because I saw how it worked for so many people. I still love and use many traditional pieces of music, too. There is room for both styles. In the Episcopal church you can have a more blended (for lack of a better word) service on Sunday morning and come back that evening for a high-Anglican service of Evensong, and if you do both well, people will participate.   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Steskinner@aol.com Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 8:33 AM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: A dynamic duo   The broad brush really does not serve well in describing Renewal (read: "New" or "folk") Music. Certainly SOME is "Hoot-en-Nanny" (and those would be different pieces for different perspectives), but some can also be = described as reflective, well-crafted, appropriate, and profound, banal, etc. My = task is to provide music that is a vehicle for our congregation's worship, and that means slogging through the billion or so newer expressions from Maranatha!, Hillsongs, Taize, Iona, and the other 18,000 Renewal = resources. Our church has experienced the most astonishing lack of controversy regarding the use of CCM and other contemporary expressions. This may be because we have used renewal pieces in liturgically appropriate places, and have not abandoned the choirs, hymnal, organs (5/103 Schantz, 2/7 Skinner), or the handbells. We did add piano, congas, tambourine, and set on occasion. = It's fun!