PipeChat Digest #1685 - Sunday, December 3, 2000
 
Re: Humor in Church Music
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
the infection is confined to the U.S., mostly
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
sense of humor required
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Florence Foster Jenkins
  by "Stephen Ohmer" <knopfregal@yahoo.com>
Re: Florence Foster Jenkins
  by "Bonnie Beth Derby" <orge@dreamscape.com>
Re: Florence Foster Jenkins
  by <TRACKELECT@cs.com>
Re: Florence Foster Jenkins
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net>
Re: sense of humor required
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: a dynamic duo
  by "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu>
Peter Richard Conte at Hendrick's Chapel, SU Campus
  by "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu>
Re: a dynamic duo
  by <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: Singing from the Swell
  by <Puppydawgbreath@cs.com>
Re: A dynamic duo
  by <Puppydawgbreath@cs.com>
Re: A dynamic duo
  by "Noel Jones, A.A.G.O." <gedeckt@usit.net>
Re: A dynamic duo
  by "Noel Jones, A.A.G.O." <gedeckt@usit.net>
Re: A dynamic duo
  by <Puppydawgbreath@cs.com>
Re: A dynamic duo
  by <Puppydawgbreath@cs.com>
Re: A dynamic duo
  by "Bonnie Beth Derby" <orge@dreamscape.com>
Re: Florence Foster Jenkins
  by "charder@ties.k12.mn.us" <charder@mail.ties.k12.mn.us>
Re: sense of humor required
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: A Dynamic Duo
  by "George Lawn" <sandlawn@bayou.com>
Cosmo McMoon
  by "George Lawn" <sandlawn@bayou.com>
Re: Florence Foster Jenkins
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: A dynamic duo
  by <JKVDP@aol.com>
Re: the infection is confined to the U.S., mostly
  by <JKVDP@aol.com>
Re: the infection is confined to the U.S., mostly
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Humor in Church Music From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 16:07:43 EST   Hi Bob:   The sense of humor has developed as a defense mechanism over the years. My dream upon graduation from college was to have a choir like St. Thomas NYC all boys and men who could sing like the angels. Well it's always illuded me, and I guess my life penance. The choral opportunities never came my way as I had the practical aspect of putting food on the table for five hungry mouths.   Some of the organs were not only bad but terrible, but the pay was = acceptable. I played a Wurlitzer two manual and pedal electrified reed organ. It was so old, the wireing would get hot and even smoke. My clothes always smelt like burnt rubber when I arrived home. I had to be careful to = remember to turn it off between hymns, just before it started smoking.   Another was a pipe organ of definitely unsure parentage. Junk thrown = together by a man in Orange County otherwise known as the pipe organ junk man. Everyother note on some ranks was silent. It was always the organist's fault if it didn't play right. I knew I was in trouble, as I replaced nine =   others of short duration and lasted the longest, ten months.   What with bad choirs, totally out of ones hands, bad organs, one really has to see humor in all this. The best tonic is to find humor in it all, and realize that this is far from a perfect world. People, being people can make realization of dreams nearly impossible. You really have to sit back and laugh. El Diablo has found a way to screw up just about every musical situation in churches, even the good ones! There is always something to take the joy out of things, but we survive anyway we can. Laughter and humor are the only outlets really to save one's sanity.   I hope this helps others on the list cope. My wife used to call me = "SMOKEY" after playing on the Wurlitzer for three Masses every Sunday. I knew it was time to send the suit to the cleaners AGAIN! It was the era of the Leisure Suit, remember those awful things? I had a green and a powder blue one. Into the washer they went every Sunday afternoon.   I do truely hope in God's Mercy, because He has to have the best sense of humor, because He's perfect!   Regards,   Ron Severin   PS The bottom line cause of all this is neglect and a total lack of appreciation for what we do. To some it's entertaining, well in most cases it is, but for all together different reasons! I've become a cynic!  
(back) Subject: the infection is confined to the U.S., mostly From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 13:24:04 -0800   I note in reading service-lists from overseas on the Anglican-Music list that the phenomenon of CCM in the Anglican world (however you wish to define either) seems to be confined to U.S. Episcopal churches. In Britain and South Africa (at least), things are pretty much going on as they always have. There are Settings being written for the new texts of the Ordinary, to be sure, but they are (for the most part) CHORAL Settings, with perhaps a by-courtesy congregational part to satisfy the rubrics.   And NOBODY is mucking about with Evensong (grin).   My own parish, St. Matthew's in Newport Beach CA (USA), where there will NEVER be a service in contemporary language *or* CCM, is standing-room-only at the High Mass every Sunday ... and it's a good mix of young and old, with BUCKETS of kids ... so the old ways must continue to speak to some people, at least. And it's not like we are depriving people ... we're SURROUNDED by parishes that do nothing BUT the new stuff.   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: sense of humor required From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 13:45:13 -0800   I haven't done this in awhile ... it's always fun to catalog the organs I've played in my long and checquerd career:   St. Luke's Episcopal, Mulberry FL - a folding Estey pump organ; then a Hammond Spinet ... the Hammond's STILL there   Mulberry Methodist, Mulberry FL - 7-rank Estey tubular pneumatic of 1907, since replaced by a 4-rank unit organ by the now defunct "Florida Skinner" Organ Co. The Estey was a better organ (grin).   First Methodist, Bartow FL - 27-rank Aeolian residence organ of 1898 (?), since replaced by a McManis unit organ; the Aeolian had SEVEN ranks of Vox Humanas.   First Presbyterian, Bartow FL - a turn-of-the-century Hope-Jones CHURCH organ, since replaced by a Schantz; have no IDEA what happened to the Hope-Jones   Asbury Methodist, Bartow FL - Allen T-12-B   St. David's Episcopal, Lakeland FL - 2 m/p Estey reed organ, then an Allen S-10 (!); now a "Florida Skinner", rebuilt by somebody   St. Paul's Episcopal, Winter Haven FL - two manuals of a four-manual Austin plus a Wurlitzer (!) Choir organ; replaced by an Aeolian-Skinner that burned in the '80s; now a 3-manual Harrison   St. Mary's RC, Lorain OH - 4-rank Wicks unit organ, but the church had FIVE second reverb   Holy Rosary RC, Cleveland OH - a very nice little new 18-rank Schantz   St. James Episcopal, Cleveland OH - a 3 manual (are you ready?) Johnson-Kimball-Wurlitzer-HOLTKAMP, made by Walter Sr. out of spare parts for the Rector's wife, who was the organist when it was built ... possibly the STRANGEST-sounding organ I've ever played (grin).   St. Mary's RC, Cincinnati OH - a GLORIOUS old 3m Austin in pristine condition, in 3 1/2 seconds reverb   Immaculata RC, Cincinnati OH - a fine old restored 2m Koehnken & Grimm tracker   Christ the King RC, Dallas TX - a four-manual Casavant blunderbuss from the '50s   Christ Episcopal, Dallas TX - a moribund 2-manual Pilcher, since replaced by a Janke tracker   All Saints' Episcopal, San Diego CA - a DREADFUL new 3m Moller   Holy Trinity Episcopal, San Diego CA - a DREADFUL new 2m Moller   That was my last pipe organ ... since then it's been Allen, Rodgers, and now the lovely and charming Hammond/Suzuki at St. Matthew's. Am I REALLY to end my career playing a HAMMOND? (and a MONGREL Hammond at that ... a B-3 I could DEAL with)   Ah, memories (grin) ...   Cheers,   Bud          
(back) Subject: Re: Florence Foster Jenkins From: "Stephen Ohmer" <knopfregal@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 13:49:26 -0800 (PST)   Alas, Flo Fo Jenkins, I knew her well..... well, I DID hear hear recordings, after all. To hear her was to know her - or was it. Rumor still persists that she thought she was incredibly good.... or was that a ruse on her part, thus portraying exactly how incredibly intelligent she was. . . NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!   The last time I heard the recording of her singing Adele's laughing song from Fledermouse, I was driving on the loop in Houston (My cousin was the announcer at KLEF at the time the recording was played...he dedicated the piece to me) - at which point I started laughing hysterically, and had such an horrendous asthma attack, that I had to drive to the ER for a breathing treatment. But oh, what a rendition!!!!!   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: Florence Foster Jenkins From: "Bonnie Beth Derby" <orge@dreamscape.com> Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 19:03:44 -0500   Florence Foster Jenkins can be found on a reissued RCA CD 61175 titled = "The Glory (????) of the Human Voice". One should check out the couple who = just walked into RCA one day and asked to do a recording. On the LP their = "duet" was side two on the F.F. Jenkins release. Now RCA has included their = "Faust Travesty" on the F.F. Jenkins CD. Jenny Williams and Thomas Burns attempt to sing Faust and their vocal "offering" is a hoot! "Margarita" will = never be the same! Trust me!   Getting back to the "organ track" and, talking about recordings, has = anyone heard about the LP that was released, I believe, in the 50s - when "Hi-Fi" was THE ultimate in the recording business. It was a brainchild of some recording producer to record an organ - with the microphone placed IN the Swell Box!! The final outcome was a recording with a LOUD swell division = - and the rest on the instrument sounding like it was in the New York = Subway. However, there was one important "star" in this LP that the producer did = not expect - the average, ordinary house fly - which was trapped in the swell box - along with the microphone! The outcome? Bach with a slight buzzing sound that was unbelievable! If anyone has a copy of this LP please let = me know. I have been looking for it for years.   Regards,   Bonnie Beth   Bonnie Beth Derby, B.Mus., M.Mus. Producer & Host ``Orgelwerke'' & ``Choral Traditions'' WCNY-FM, 91.3; Syracuse; WUNY-FM, 89.5, Utica; WJNY-FM, 90.9, Watertown Organist & Director of Music, St. James Roman Catholic Church, Syracuse [1988 Odell/Kerner & Merchant 33-rank tracker organ] orge@dreamscape.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Florence Foster Jenkins From: <TRACKELECT@cs.com> Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 20:14:10 EST   In a message dated 12/2/00 6:57:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, orge@dreamscape.com writes:   << However, there was one important "star" in this LP that the producer = did not expect - the average, ordinary house fly - which was trapped in the swell box - along with the microphone! >>   Jeez! What were they thinking??!!! I'd bet dollars to donuts that the fly ended up stuck tightly between the tongue and shallot of a reed pipe.   Alan B  
(back) Subject: Re: Florence Foster Jenkins From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net> Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 19:32:22 -0600   Hi, all --   If anyone is feeling like they need to hear FFJ for themselves....eBay to the rescue!!   <http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D515326334>   Now, don't you all go bidding at once and run the price up sky = high...<lol>   Tim  
(back) Subject: Re: sense of humor required From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 21:30:33 -0500   Poor Bud-   All those organs you played! Been around the block a few times, have = we?   Rick    
(back) Subject: Re: a dynamic duo From: "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu> Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 20:08:48 -0500     ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy Terry <randyterry@laumc.org> To: 'PipeChat' <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 4:48 PM Subject: a dynamic duo     > Is there any such thing as an organist and director in most regular churches > that really jell as a team who truly compliment each other?   No. Period.   :-)   -Rebekah    
(back) Subject: Peter Richard Conte at Hendrick's Chapel, SU Campus From: "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu> Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 10:35:16 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0031_01C05C4B.8FC61580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Peter Richard Conte will be giving a recital at Hendrick's Chapel, =3D Syracuse University on Sunday, December 10th at 4pm. The program will =3D include Christmas music for organ and improvisation based on requests =3D from the audience.=3D20   The organ is the sister instrument of the 1950 Holtkamp in Crouse =3D Auditorium. Mr. Conte is the organist at Wanamaker's.=3D20   And I get to meet him at the airport!   -Rebekah   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0031_01C05C4B.8FC61580 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2314.1000" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Peter Richard Conte will be giving a recital at =3D Hendrick's=3D20 Chapel, Syracuse University on Sunday, December 10th at 4pm. The program = =3D will=3D20 include Christmas music for organ and improvisation based on requests =3D from the=3D20 audience. </FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>The organ is the sister instrument of the 1950 =3D Holtkamp in=3D20 Crouse Auditorium. Mr. Conte is the organist at Wanamaker's. =3D </FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>And I get to meet him at the airport!</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>-Rebekah</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0031_01C05C4B.8FC61580--    
(back) Subject: Re: a dynamic duo From: <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net> Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 21:45:37 -0500 (EST)   I've seen quite a few husband/wife teams that worked well together.   I'm a director and organist, and I work quite well together with myself...thank you very much :)   Peace to you all. Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: Singing from the Swell From: <Puppydawgbreath@cs.com> Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 21:57:34 EST   In a message dated 12/2/00 3:12:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, Wurlibird1@aol.com writes:   << Side bar: Chrysler will launch a new model to commemorate President Clinton. Dealers can expect the Dodge Draft in late spring. :-> >>     I had a brain flash that gave me the solution to the election dilemma. = Bush and Gore should both be told to return to their homes and forget about = being president. Then the presidency should be awarded to Lieberman because = that would really chap Gore (who started the whole recount mess), and Chaney should be vice president. I think it would work better, since they're = both more qualified than their running (whining-) mates.   Bruce, still in the Beagles Nest with the Baskerbeagles... visit us: Ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502 (aroooooooooO) but working from another computer since mine is in a REALLLY REALLLLY BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD MOOOD!!! (It's gone to the detention center for a couple of weeks)  
(back) Subject: Re: A dynamic duo From: <Puppydawgbreath@cs.com> Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 22:01:06 EST   In a message dated 12/2/00 3:38:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, randyterry@laumc.org writes:   << I embraced renewal music after attending a Cursillo weekend, because I saw how it worked for so many people. I still love and use = many traditional pieces of music, too. There is room for both styles. In the Episcopal church you can have a more blended (for lack of a better word) service on Sunday morning and come back that evening for a high-Anglican service of Evensong, and if you do both well, people will participate. >>   Eeek! Cursillo is what finally turned me against renewal music. It = turned those people into monsters who set out to destroy traditional music and worship! YUK!   As an Episcopalian, I would say that this is the WORST place to try to do "blended" worship. Using renewal music alongside traditional music is = like wearing your underwear outside of your tuxedo pants! I can handle a folk =   mass with good music, but just cannot bear to have folk music juxtaposed = to traditional. Pukoid!   Bruce, still in the Beagles Nest with the Baskerbeagles... visit us: Ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502 (aroooooooooO) but working from another computer since mine is in a REALLLY REALLLLY BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD MOOOD!!! (It's gone to the detention center for a couple of weeks)  
(back) Subject: Re: A dynamic duo From: "Noel Jones, A.A.G.O." <gedeckt@usit.net> Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 22:09:31 -0500   It turned those people into monsters... .... is like wearing your underwear outside of your tuxedo pants! I can handle a folk > mass with good music, but just cannot bear to have folk music juxtaposed = to > traditional. Pukoid! > > Bruce   Ah, c'mon Bruce, tell us what you really think! Don't hold back like this! Really let it out! It's not like you to be so reserved. Why are you letting us and the Baskerbeagles down?     Noel Jones   :  
(back) Subject: Re: A dynamic duo From: "Noel Jones, A.A.G.O." <gedeckt@usit.net> Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 22:11:35 -0500   Pukoid.   Is that listed on the drawknob as 2' or 4'?   Singende Pukoid?   NJ   (who just loves Bruce's messages)  
(back) Subject: Re: A dynamic duo From: <Puppydawgbreath@cs.com> Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 22:24:12 EST   In a message dated 12/2/00 10:16:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, gedeckt@usit.net writes:   << Ah, c'mon Bruce, tell us what you really think! Don't hold back like this! Really let it out! It's not like you to be so reserved. Why are you letting us and the Baskerbeagles down? >>   It's Advent (already somewhere).... I' behaving! ;-)   Bruce, still in the Beagles Nest with the Baskerbeagles... visit us: Ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502 (aroooooooooO) but working from another computer since mine is in a REALLLY REALLLLY BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD MOOOD!!! (It's gone to the detention center for a couple of weeks)  
(back) Subject: Re: A dynamic duo From: <Puppydawgbreath@cs.com> Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 22:24:51 EST   In a message dated 12/2/00 10:18:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, gedeckt@usit.net writes:   << Is that listed on the drawknob as 2' or 4'? Singende Pukoid? >>   Actually, Pukoid is a mixture.... and VERY rank!   Bruce, still in the Beagles Nest with the Baskerbeagles... visit us: Ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502 (aroooooooooO) but working from another computer since mine is in a REALLLY REALLLLY BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD MOOOD!!! (It's gone to the detention center for a couple of weeks)  
(back) Subject: Re: A dynamic duo From: "Bonnie Beth Derby" <orge@dreamscape.com> Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 23:04:09 -0500   I believe I saw that listed on a hybrid instrument as a 32'!! Singende Pukoid 32' - sounds like a pumpkin hitting concrete from 5 stories up! (a "squashy" sound) :-)   BB   Bonnie Beth Derby, B.Mus., M.Mus. Producer & Host ``Orgelwerke'' & ``Choral Traditions'' WCNY-FM, 91.3; Syracuse; WUNY-FM, 89.5, Utica; WJNY-FM, 90.9, Watertown Organist & Director of Music, St. James Roman Catholic Church, Syracuse [1988 Odell/Kerner & Merchant 33-rank tracker organ] orge@dreamscape.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Noel Jones, A.A.G.O. <gedeckt@usit.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 10:11 PM Subject: Re: A dynamic duo     > Pukoid. > > Is that listed on the drawknob as 2' or 4'? > > Singende Pukoid? > > NJ > > (who just loves Bruce's messages)   Me too!    
(back) Subject: Re: Florence Foster Jenkins From: "charder@ties.k12.mn.us" <charder@mail.ties.k12.mn.us> Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 22:05:05 -0600 (CST)   I have a CD from the RCA Victor Gold Seal entitled:   Florence Foster Jenkins The Glory (????) of the Human Voice with Jenny Williams . Thomas Burns   A FAUST TRAVESTY   Casme McMoon at the Piano.   The CD label lists it as:   BMG Classics A Division of Bertelsmann Music Group   09026-61175-2.   Included in the CD notes is a nice biography by Francis Robinson, = Assistant manager of the Metropolitan Opera (1952-76)   Charles Harder      
(back) Subject: Re: sense of humor required From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 20:29:40 -0800   I don't think that's an excessive number for having been an organist for = half a century (grin).   Cheers,   Bud   VEAGUE wrote:   > Poor Bud- > > All those organs you played! Been around the block a few times, have = we? > > Rick > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: A Dynamic Duo From: "George Lawn" <sandlawn@bayou.com> Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 23:06:33 -0600   Just have to add my two cents worth.... there are two of us... both = working together.. my title is Associate of Music ... but we switch off week to = week.. I will conduct..... he will play.. next week may be opposite ... we both = think alike about what the music will be appropriate for this congregation .... = we follow a lectionary ... and try to have the most worhipful and meaningful = service possible for the congregation... and it works!   Sand Lawn        
(back) Subject: Cosmo McMoon From: "George Lawn" <sandlawn@bayou.com> Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 23:08:45 -0600   That was not his real name.. I cannot recall who it really was.. but he = was one of the best accompanist in NYC at that time..   Sand Lawn      
(back) Subject: Re: Florence Foster Jenkins From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 01:39:20 EST   Hi Stephen:   I hope you can now listen to this great lady without nearly coughing yourself to death. She was a real piece of work though! We do need to laugh once in a while, and she was the perfect choice!   Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: Re: A dynamic duo From: <JKVDP@aol.com> Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 01:55:59 EST   In a message dated 00-12-01 23:38:12 EST, Wurlibird1@aol.com writes:   << Greetings Listers, Jerry in Seattle wrote: >Which begs the question: for what are employers (churches) willing to = pay< >really well? How many places do we know where high standards of = repertoire< >command high salaries?   Jim wrote > Hopefully you will be spared from this Renewal Music which, at times, = can best be described as a Hoot-en-Nanny. I really strive to be flexible and =   compatible but I fear if this is the new direction in worship music, I = will choose a different compass. Sorry. Off my soap box for now. Jim Pitts   Thanks for your kind wishes Jim.   I was probably among the earlier of church musicians to be hit by the pragmatic "church growth" experts. Actually 12 years ago the new pastor appeared to be pleased when I proposed the choir sing some "Choruses from Messiah" for Good Friday. When I found out that he thought these were contemporary "Praise" choruses I determined that it was time to exit = while I still could leave in honor. I suffered several years of pain at the = loss.   But there IS life after these wrenching experiences. Because I later = needed money, I took my current job primarily for cash. I had very little enthusiasm. After the first Sunday I told my wife I expected to be there = only one year. However, Divine Providence had a different idea, and 7 years = later I'm still there. Even though the church is small. now it's going so well that I worry something bad might happen. If it does, it might be an indication it is time to move on again.   Meanwhile all these experiences increased my faith, and helped me toward spiritual (and musical) maturity. My goal has now become to help the = worship committee achieve its goals. The beginning of an "contemporary" service at = 11 (with a separate director) removed a lot of my pressure. The choir has = come to a place that they really want to do fine literature. And shock..... I include at least one "praise" song in the traditional 9:30 service! Jerry in Seattle  
(back) Subject: Re: the infection is confined to the U.S., mostly From: <JKVDP@aol.com> Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 02:03:34 EST   In a message dated 00-12-02 16:24:21 EST, quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:   << the phenomenon of CCM in the Anglican world (however you wish to define either) seems to be confined to U.S. Episcopal churches. In Britain and South Africa (at least), things are pretty much going on as they always have >> I think not. All Soul's Church - London, Holy Trinity Brompton - London = were into the CCM thing long before the American Episcopal Church. I heard it = at All Soul's back in the mid 70's! A search engine request for "Anglican" will bring hundreds of web pages of Anglican parishes with "Praise bands". Jerry in Seattle  
(back) Subject: Re: the infection is confined to the U.S., mostly From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 03:20:15 -0500   I am afraid that Jerry is only TOO right, In London alone there are countless Church of England churches that have "Praise Bands". The church =   that my daughter goes to, St. Peter's. Not ting Hill, is one of them, and the church is bursting at the doors! There is a beautiful 1903 Walker organ that never gets played, other than my very poor attempts when I visit, every other year!   Having said all that, there is a large congregation, many of them = obviously of West Indian descent, and I am sure that it is they who really enjoy the =   "Praise Band" and the stuff that they do. I do not like it, but I was = told that the church was about to close due to lack of attendance until a new young man arrived as the Vicar, and he turned it around by having a = "Praise Band".   They are well intent on keeping the church alive and very active, - not my =   cup of tea, - but it takes all sorts!   Bob Conway   At 02:03 AM 2000-12-03 -0500, it was written: ><< the phenomenon of CCM in the Anglican world (however you wish to > define either) seems to be confined to U.S. Episcopal churches. In > Britain and South Africa (at least), things are pretty much going on as > they always have >> >   Then Jerry in Seattle wrote:   >I think not. All Soul's Church - London, Holy Trinity Brompton - London = were >into the CCM thing long before the American Episcopal Church. I heard it = at >All Soul's back in the mid 70's! A search engine request for "Anglican" >will bring hundreds of web pages of Anglican parishes with "Praise = bands". >Jerry in Seattle >   "Nunc Tutus Exitus Computaris" "It is safe now for you to turn off your computer"