PipeChat Digest #1686 - Sunday, December 3, 2000
 
Re: Question?
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
Re: Florence Foster Jenkins
  by "Stephen Ohmer" <knopfregal@yahoo.com>
RE: A Dynamic Duo
  by <Wurlibird1@aol.com>
Re: Florence Foster Jenkins
  by "Stephen Ohmer" <knopfregal@yahoo.com>
soprano fly in the swell box
  by <support@opensystemsorgans.com>
Re: Question?
  by "Mack" <dm726@delphi.com>
Recital
  by "Ed Brown" <edbroorg@webtv.net>
RE: A dynamic duo
  by "Randy Terry" <randyterry@laumc.org>
I have had it!
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: I have had it!
  by "Ben Baldus" <bbaldus@voyager.net>
Re: A dynamic duo
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: I have had it!
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Pastor/Musician Relations
  by <Oboe32@aol.com>
RE: I have had it!
  by "Charles E. Brown" <chabrown@bellatlantic.net>
RE: I have had it!
  by "Randy Terry" <randyterry@laumc.org>
Re: I have had it!
  by <DudelK@aol.com>
RE: I have had it!
  by "Charles E. Brown" <chabrown@bellatlantic.net>
RE:  I've Had It
  by <Wurlibird1@aol.com>
Re: I have had it!
  by "Noel Jones, A.A.G.O." <gedeckt@usit.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Question? From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 06:28:05 -0600   I'm not sure of the exact number, but it is right near the Medical Center and you can't miss it.   John.   Stu Ballinger wrote: > > Was wondering what House # on Harrison Ave. in Boston, Immaculate = Concept- > ion Church is? The reason I ask, is would like to attend Alen's = Memorial Mass > & Recitial in Febuary! Was wondering if someone from OHS can send a = post- > card ( Those not on internet) The details of Alen's Memorial Service, & > Recitial? > Stu = Ballinger > ( 1995 OHS EBP = Fellow!) > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Florence Foster Jenkins From: "Stephen Ohmer" <knopfregal@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 06:51:03 -0800 (PST)   Ron,   You're correct about the need for laughter. As an 18 year old, very, very serious church musician, my greatest teacher, himself a former Dupre student, introduced me to the likes of FFJ and that great English comedian/musician Gerard (?) Hoffnung! Larry had to first educate me on some of the goings on, but it didn't take long for me to be laughing uncontrollably. It's probably a good thing, or I'd have been dead long ago (perhaps from sheer boredom????).   Along the same line....I was living, for a short period of time, with my maternal grandmother (who was more like a mother to me). As a gift, I bought her a console stereo system. My Dad happened to visit one weekend, and while he was there, I put on Peter Schickele's "Wurst of P.D.Q. Bach." Well, my blue-collar, non-high-school-graduated father could name EVERY single piece of music on which Schickele was drawing his many parodies. I stood totally amazed. It was only a few years later that I learned (from my OTHER grandmother) that not only did my Dad have a cat while he was growing up (which he evidently adored), he also took several years of piano lessons (which explains his being able to sit down and play the Marine Hymn on our new organ...). Now that I look back on things, I remember my parents' record library included such things as the 1812 Overture, Tales of the Vienna Woods, etc. It wasn't that my respect for Dad changed during those times, but it was during those revelations that somehow I knew that a part of my Dad understood my calling to be a church musician.... well, ok, musician.... He once told a friend, "He gets paid for playing his organ in church. The rest of us get slapped!" At least he had a sense of humor!!!!   Steve Ohmer - shivering at 14F in Bartlesville. Hope this possibility for moving to Houston works out! At least it will be warmer. --- RonSeverin@aol.com wrote: > Hi Stephen: > > I hope you can now listen to this great lady > without nearly coughing > yourself to death. She was a real piece of work > though! We do need to > laugh once in a while, and she was the perfect > choice! > > Ron Severin > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: RE: A Dynamic Duo From: <Wurlibird1@aol.com> Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 09:52:15 EST   Greetings,   My objection to current trends in contemporary worship forms is not altogether aimed at the music. In actuality, Steve is correct in his post =   about some contemporary compositions being quite appropriate for choir, organ, or congregational music. My objection is rooted much deeper in = that an advocated liberalization of the entire worship structure is being = promoted.   A recent conference which I attended in the United Methodist church = focused on attendance and ways to increase attendance. Numbers equate to dollars = and dollars equate to bigger buildings, more community prominence, and = evidence of growth. One conference leader stated that we must change with the times if we are = to survive. Really?   Does God see numbers or the heart of the individual? Do we wow God with large congregations or does He care more for the individual and that = person's relationship with Him? When one sifts through the well-designed fluff = which dictates change, one sees the real reason for a new ordination - numbers = mean money and that drives this new medium. Now I am not totally naive. We do =   need money to pay the bills, salaries, provide maintenance of the physical =   plant, and other matters. But when these matters become our driving force = as a church, have we not lost sight of the church's purpose?   It is purely personal with no offense intended toward anyone else, but if = our worship becomes indistinguishable from other secular events, wherein is = its distinction?   As a bit of irony, there is an old musical program which dealt with this = same issue when it seemed to really matter. At the moment I cannot recall its title but there are words to one of its intrinsic sections which reads,   Numbers, numbers, numbers, That's the name of the game. Just keep 'em pourin' through the door, No matter why they came.   Me thinks I protest too much, but this is a disturbing issue for me. = Perhaps it is that I am growing old and cranky. The former is a certainty and the =   latter is probably true also. When God begins to change with the times, I =   will follow His lead. Until then, my objections continue and strengthen.   Jim    
(back) Subject: Re: Florence Foster Jenkins From: "Stephen Ohmer" <knopfregal@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 06:59:55 -0800 (PST)   Well, folks, that previous missive made it to everyone on the list.... instead of just Ron. Oh, well. If you need to see the reason for the response, then read the entire thing, 'cause Ron's letter is at the end of it all.   You'd think someone reasonable intelligent (whom, me????) could check the address box. If there had been a stamped affixed, you betcha it'd been correct.....   ohmer   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: soprano fly in the swell box From: <support@opensystemsorgans.com> Date: 3 Dec 2000 08:11:35 -0800   > << However, there was one important "star" in this LP that the producer = did > not > expect - the average, ordinary house fly - which was trapped in the = swell > box - along with the microphone! >>   Uh oh! Transporter failed again.      
(back) Subject: Re: Question? From: "Mack" <dm726@delphi.com> Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 12:44:11 -0500   The Address of Immaculate Conception/AKA Jesuit Urban Center, is 775 = Harrison Avenue, Boston.   Cheers, Dave McPeak   "John L. Speller" wrote:   > I'm not sure of the exact number, but it is right near the Medical > Center and you can't miss it. > > John. > > Stu Ballinger wrote: > > > > Was wondering what House # on Harrison Ave. in Boston, Immaculate = Concept- > > ion Church is? The reason I ask, is would like to attend Alen's = Memorial Mass > > & Recitial in Febuary! Was wondering if someone from OHS can send a = post- > > card ( Those not on internet) The details of Alen's Memorial Service, = & > > Recitial? > > Stu = Ballinger > > ( 1995 OHS EBP = Fellow!) > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Recital From: "Ed Brown" <edbroorg@webtv.net> Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 13:32:17 -0500 (EST)   Those of you who live in Mt Vernon NY should note that there is an organ recital every Tuesday at 6pm on the public access channel ( ch 6).    
(back) Subject: RE: A dynamic duo From: "Randy Terry" <randyterry@laumc.org> Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 12:37:59 -0800   I happen to (kindly) disagree. We don't use this music every Sunday, but ocassionally during communion I use the piano, often joined by one or more instrumentalists, and we sing two or three "renewal" songs. It does not destroy the service and people really like it.   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Puppydawgbreath@cs.com Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 7:01 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: A dynamic duo     As an Episcopalian, I would say that this is the WORST place to try to do "blended" worship. Using renewal music alongside traditional music is = like wearing your underwear outside of your tuxedo pants! I can handle a folk mass with good music, but just cannot bear to have folk music juxtaposed = to traditional. Pukoid!    
(back) Subject: I have had it! From: <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 16:00:05 EST   Dear folks.... I nearly had a stroke in church today when my artistic = temper blew. First, let me set the stage... the organ, console, myself, and choir are = in the rear gallery. The pastor is of course in the chancel up front. After =   today's first hymn, "The Advent of Our God" -- FRANCONIA (LBW 22), was dismally sung he announced that the music director (being me) and music committee should meet to pick other hymns for Advent... The last hymn of = the service was Wake, Awake, for Night is Flying -- WACHET AUF (LBW 31). = After the first verse of that hymn was sung horribly by the congregation he = shouts to me, between verses, to stop and turn to hymn 39 "Joy to the World". I =   did and hit the Full Organ piston and played it at break-neck speed. I = was so visibly shaken while doing this that choir members patted me on the = back during my postlude... What in all that is Holy's name do I do about this = BS? On top of that, I've got to play for a children's Xmas pageant (which = takes the place of worship on Advent III) and I've been ordered to play a prelude/postlude on "This Little Light of Mine", have been asked to write = a RAP to take place of a chant, and JUST today I was told that I have to = play Mallotte's "Lord's Prayer" for all to sing at the same service.... I am = at wit's end and very close to going postal...... Do I quit, threaten to = quit, tell the offending parties how messed up they are? I'm at the point now = of not even giving a piece of coal about it all... Its just so unreal! = Please give me some advice or support!!!!!!!!!   Thanks,   John A. Gambill, Jr. Organist/Choirmaster Oak Cliff Lutheran Church Dallas, TX  
(back) Subject: Re: I have had it! From: "Ben Baldus" <bbaldus@voyager.net> Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 16:05:19 -0500   As a Lutheran Pastor (of the ELCA sort) who is a church musician and = appreciates what is becoming an endangered species, I can well aware of Mr Gambill's outrage. It seems that control (and the paranoia which stems from same) = is the operative factor. I hope members of your congregation will begin to = assert themselves in this matter.   Ben Baldus   DRAWKNOB@aol.com wrote:   > Dear folks.... I nearly had a stroke in church today when my artistic = temper > blew. > First, let me set the stage... the organ, console, myself, and choir are = in > the rear gallery. The pastor is of course in the chancel up front. = After > today's first hymn, "The Advent of Our God" -- FRANCONIA (LBW 22), was > dismally sung he announced that the music director (being me) and music > committee should meet to pick other hymns for Advent... The last hymn = of the > service was Wake, Awake, for Night is Flying -- WACHET AUF (LBW 31). = After > the first verse of that hymn was sung horribly by the congregation he = shouts > to me, between verses, to stop and turn to hymn 39 "Joy to the World". = I > did and hit the Full Organ piston and played it at break-neck speed. I = was > so visibly shaken while doing this that choir members patted me on the = back > during my postlude... What in all that is Holy's name do I do about = this BS? > On top of that, I've got to play for a children's Xmas pageant (which = takes > the place of worship on Advent III) and I've been ordered to play a > prelude/postlude on "This Little Light of Mine", have been asked to = write a > RAP to take place of a chant, and JUST today I was told that I have to = play > Mallotte's "Lord's Prayer" for all to sing at the same service.... I = am at > wit's end and very close to going postal...... Do I quit, threaten to = quit, > tell the offending parties how messed up they are? I'm at the point = now of > not even giving a piece of coal about it all... Its just so unreal! = Please > give me some advice or support!!!!!!!!! > > Thanks, > > John A. Gambill, Jr. > Organist/Choirmaster > Oak Cliff Lutheran Church > Dallas, TX > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: A dynamic duo From: <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 16:11:35 EST   In a message dated 12/2/00 9:02:30 PM Central Standard Time, Puppydawgbreath@cs.com writes:   << Using renewal music alongside traditional music is like wearing your underwear outside of your tuxedo pants! I can handle a = folk mass with good music, but just cannot bear to have folk music juxtaposed = to traditional. Pukoid! >>   AMEN to that!!!!!!!! John  
(back) Subject: Re: I have had it! From: <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 16:21:13 EST   In a message dated 12/3/00 3:10:08 PM Central Standard Time, bbaldus@voyager.net writes:   << As a Lutheran Pastor (of the ELCA sort) who is a church musician and appreciates what is becoming an endangered species, I can well aware of Mr Gambill's outrage. It seems that control (and the paranoia which stems from same) = is the operative factor. I hope members of your congregation will begin to = assert themselves in this matter. >>   Thanks Ben!   You probably don't remember me, but I met you when I was a student of Mano =   Hardies, when he was at Central UMC - Lansing, MI... many moons ago (mid Eighties).   John   John  
(back) Subject: Pastor/Musician Relations From: <Oboe32@aol.com> Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 16:23:12 EST   Hey all, We are amidst a week of concerts, rehearsals, and reading at Westminster. Next week we have exmas and juries, and CONCERTS! I'll post = more about concerts later...for now... I've had some tight pastor relations, being a younger organist, I've = been dubbed "ignorant" about the way churches work. Strangely enough, this has only happened it Catholic churches and not for some time. I had a priest = who used to take notes on every aspect of the service and critique every "minister" of the service. Mine came last as I played the second largest = role in worship leading. I brought it up to him that he was a bit harsh on me, = the choir, and some of the lay leaders, and he went on a tyrade. I stuck for another two months and then left. I also had a pastor who was something of an organist, he would = critique my registration, but nicely. So I tried to come to his level and have more =   open conversation with him, and over time we grew to be great colleagues. The worst was a pastor who I was only the interem for. He ruled every aspect of the church. I was begged to come on while they looked for = someone more permanent. The man had no idea about music and drove 5 music = directors out of the church in ONE year! I didn't know this coming into the = position. The choir warned me once they met me. The choir was 16 women, rather well balanced and good sight readers. The pastor came to rehearsal one day and started criticizing my technique. I reminded him that I was only the = interem and was still learning as I was only a sophmore in HS. He yelled at me, = and one of the sopranos stood up and put him in his place. The choir then = decided to talk to him. Strangely enough, enough people spoke to him, and he gradually changed his tune.   -Pete Isherwood  
(back) Subject: RE: I have had it! From: "Charles E. Brown" <chabrown@bellatlantic.net> Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 17:07:29 -0500   John:   I gathered from your posting that you did not select the hymns in question unilaterally. That being the case, there is real simple logic here:   The other members of the music committe are not employees but HIS = EMPLOYERS. Now, that being the case, how do they feel about their employee speaking = to them in that manner and in that context?   John, you are another employee as the pastor is. It is not your place to = do anything....it is theirs!!!   If they fail to do something, and this behavior continues, I promptly = inform all involved that there is a shortage of qualified organist and they are going to gain first-hand experience of that fact unless they control the behavior of another employee toward you.   I don't see any problem here at all!!   Charles       ---------------------- Ben Baldus   DRAWKNOB@aol.com wrote:   > Dear folks.... I nearly had a stroke in church today when my artistic temper > blew. > First, let me set the stage... the organ, console, myself, and choir are in > the rear gallery. The pastor is of course in the chancel up front. = After > today's first hymn, "The Advent of Our God" -- FRANCONIA (LBW 22), was > dismally sung he announced that the music director (being me) and music > committee should meet to pick other hymns for Advent... The last hymn = of the > service was Wake, Awake, for Night is Flying -- WACHET AUF (LBW 31). After > the first verse of that hymn was sung horribly by the congregation he shouts > to me, between verses, to stop and turn to hymn 39 "Joy to the World". = I > did and hit the Full Organ piston and played it at break-neck speed. I was > so visibly shaken while doing this that choir members patted me on the back > during my postlude... What in all that is Holy's name do I do about = this BS? > On top of that, I've got to play for a children's Xmas pageant (which takes > the place of worship on Advent III) and I've been ordered to play a > prelude/postlude on "This Little Light of Mine", have been asked to = write a > RAP to take place of a chant, and JUST today I was told that I have to play > Mallotte's "Lord's Prayer" for all to sing at the same service.... I = am at > wit's end and very close to going postal...... Do I quit, threaten to quit, > tell the offending parties how messed up they are? I'm at the point = now of > not even giving a piece of coal about it all... Its just so unreal! Please > give me some advice or support!!!!!!!!! > > Thanks, > > John A. Gambill, Jr. > Organist/Choirmaster > Oak Cliff Lutheran Church > Dallas, TX > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: RE: I have had it! From: "Randy Terry" <randyterry@laumc.org> Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 14:10:09 -0800   Dear John, I'd start looking. This sounds like an absolutely unreasonable situation for you.   1. Any professional would wait till the proper time to make any = suggestions. The guy sounds like an (well I can't say it!) If you did behaved anything like that to anyone else you can be sure he would not waste time = dismissing you! To say nothing of a Lutheran Pastor wanting to sing "Joy to the = World" on the first Sunday of Advent!   2. It is sometimes hard for members of a congregation to intervene if it means bunking a minister. Do you think they would stand up to him and support you? If your answer is "yes" you have the option to "wait and = see."   3. In the mean time start looking for another position. You may find something you are interested in right away. I learned long ago never to become so attached to a position that it would be extremely hurtful if I lost the job or had to leave due to a situation like yours.   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of DRAWKNOB@aol.com Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 1:00 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: I have had it!     Dear folks.... I nearly had a stroke in church today when my artistic = temper blew.    
(back) Subject: Re: I have had it! From: <DudelK@aol.com> Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 17:34:42 EST   Do the honorable and good thing and resign immediately. No one has to take =   this kind of nonsense, and if you put up with it you are just enabling = this person to wreak even more havoc. Life is short. Art endures. And as the Mother Abbess so wisely told Maria in the Sound of Music, the Lord never closes a door but that he (she?) also opens a window. Leaving can be difficult, but there are many other opportunities and wonderful surprises = out there waiting to be experienced. Believe me, I've been there!  
(back) Subject: RE: I have had it! From: "Charles E. Brown" <chabrown@bellatlantic.net> Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 17:36:52 -0500   Nononono!!!   Resigning immediately is not the answer. You have to give the various parties a chance to respond appropriately then make your final decision. = The trick is to have a cool head and let the situation play out to its conclusion; and then decide on the appropriate action to take.   Charles   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of DudelK@aol.com Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 5:35 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: I have had it!     Do the honorable and good thing and resign immediately. No one has to take this kind of nonsense, and if you put up with it you are just enabling = this person to wreak even more havoc. Life is short. Art endures. And as the Mother Abbess so wisely told Maria in the Sound of Music, the Lord never closes a door but that he (she?) also opens a window. Leaving can be difficult, but there are many other opportunities and wonderful surprises out there waiting to be experienced. Believe me, I've been there!   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: RE: I've Had It From: <Wurlibird1@aol.com> Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 17:47:57 EST   John,   Charles gives sage advice here when he writes:     >John, you are another employee as the pastor is. It is not your place to = do< >anything....it is theirs!!!<<   This guy probably has offended others prior to your experience. Certainly = he has embarrassed himself and the congregation with such antics. Surely = there is an elder member who has considerable influence in the parish. You = might consider approaching him/her in confidence, share your concerns, and ask = for intervention. But Charles gives good counsel. Take your lumps, simmer = and seethe, but be more mature than the pastor, and do not "start" the fight. =   Almost assuredly you will lose. If you do decide to vacate your = appointment, you will need good references. Retaliation on your part will imply that = you started the rumble which is sure to ensue. Above all else, take some time =   before you take action. Anger is never an ally.   May I congratulate you on your restraint. Knowing myself, the pastor and = I would have had a Come to Jesus meeting immediately. Further, I would have =   played Joy To The World in the key of G, the results becoming instantly obvious.   Jim   Jim      
(back) Subject: Re: I have had it! From: "Noel Jones, A.A.G.O." <gedeckt@usit.net> Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 17:51:24 -0500   John:   Your pastor is attacking you and the music committee.   You have the support of choir members (as evidenced by the supportive patting on the back) and since the music committee was attacked too, undoubtedly their support as well.   The pastor's support has been eroded by his actions.   It is rare for this kind of stuff to occur in a vacuum, meaning there may well be problems non-musical involved in his relationship to the congregation that have given him the nerve to be so publicly vocal. about the music.   In a situation like this you might be best off calling a meeting of the music committee and asking them what they what you to do. And what they are going to do.   NJ   PPS: As far as going postal: You are in the right state for it as far as access to weapons. Unfortunately everybody around you has the same access.