PipeChat Digest #1699 - Monday, December 11, 2000
 
Re: I have had it
  by "Colin Hulme" <colin_hulme@lineone.net>
descant for Silent Night
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Re: descant for Silent Night
  by "Hans-Dieter Karras" <hans@hdkarras.de>
Fw: Fw: What's It Worth?
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Fw: Fw: What's It Worth?
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: descant for Silent Night
  by "Pat Maimone" <patmai@juno.com>
Re: descant for Silent Night
  by <snyder@skyenet.net>
Feeder bellows pumped by water motor - cross posted
  by <TRACKELECT@cs.com>
water motor
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: descant for Silent Night
  by "Milam, Rene" <milamrp@fcc.net>
Re: descant for Silent Night
  by "Nancy Renneckar" <nrenneckar@yahoo.com>
Re: Public Domain Works
  by "Stephen F. P. Karr" <karr_sf@acadmn.mercer.edu>
Re: descant for Silent Night
  by "Douglas A Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com>
Re: Feeder bellows pumped by water motor - cross posted
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Feeder bellows pumped by water motor - cross posted
  by <TRACKELECT@cs.com>
Re: Feeder bellows pumped by water motor - cross posted
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net>
Re: Feeder bellows pumped by water motor - cross posted
  by <CareyOrgan@aol.com>
Re: Feeder bellows pumped by water motor - cross posted
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
Re: Feeder bellows pumped by water motor - cross posted
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Feeder bellows pumped by water motor - cross posted
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Feeder bellows pumped by water motor - cross posted
  by "Douglas A Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com>
Re: I have had it
  by "WDBabcock" <WDBabcock@email.msn.com>
Re: Feeder bellows pumped by water motor - cross posted
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Old Business
  by <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
New Business
  by <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: New Business
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
Re: Feeder bellows pumped by water motor - cross posted
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: I have had it From: "Colin Hulme" <colin_hulme@lineone.net> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 12:08:24 +0000       WDBabcock wrote: > > Blessed be he who lights a fire at the feet of the ignorant to > teach them wisdom. > Are you advocating a return to burning at the stake? <vbg>   Colin  
(back) Subject: descant for Silent Night From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 07:29:22 -0500   I have here a 2-page descant for Silent Night, which I scanned and sent to someone. Before I delete it, is there anyone else who'd like to have it?   Carlo    
(back) Subject: Re: descant for Silent Night From: "Hans-Dieter Karras" <hans@hdkarras.de> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 13:37:56 +0100   Please send. Did you receive my other question about copys? Thanks, Hans   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;> Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 1:29 PM Subject: descant for Silent Night     > I have here a 2-page descant for Silent Night, which I scanned and sent = to > someone. Before I delete it, is there anyone else who'd like to have it? > > Carlo > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Fw: Fw: What's It Worth? From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 08:14:05 -0500   The wood flute and diapason are GONE! If I remember correctly, the stop nomenclature is in French (tho I may be wrong- it's been a while since I inspected the organ) and it is believed the instrument is a Lorenz from Cincy.   Rick     ----- Original Message ----- From: Roy Redman <rredman@imagin.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2000 11:43 PM Subject: Re: Fw: What's It Worth?     > Some of the most stable and best old Chimney Flutes I work on are ear tuned. > They generally sound better because of the absolutely tight caps and = stay in > tune > perfectly. Keep them! What is it about the Diapason and wood flute = that causes > > their replacement? > Roy > > VEAGUE wrote: > > > Thank you Roy. I know it needs a replacement ear-tuned metal Chimney Flute, > > Diapason and wood flute. Pressure is @ 1-1/2". I made an imprint of = the rack > > board for scaling and saved two chimney flutes. > > > > Rick > > > > I'll keep the list posted as/IF progress continues. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Roy Redman <rredman@imagin.net> > > To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> > > Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2000 8:01 PM > > Subject: Re: What's It Worth? > > > > > If the pipes are there, why should they be replaced. We just = restored a c > > 1880 > > > Pilcher Bro. in New Orleans that had been vandalized and water damaged! > > It > > > was a true basket case, and you would be shocked to see some of the > > "before" > > > pictures. These are very simple and sturdy machines, and are almost > > always > > > restorable at much less cost than a new organ. Please let me know = if I > > can > > > help. > > > Roy Redman > > > > > > VEAGUE wrote: > > > > > > > Re: The old Lye tracker. > > > > > > > > I'm faced with a similar problem. St Patricks in northern Indiana has an > > old > > > > tracker that they want restored. The money is there (private = doner) but > > the > > > > Bishop is playing games on the go-ahead. It would have to be = rebuilt   > > from > > > > the ground-up (new wood and metal pipes too)......and a wedding party > > wants > > > > to use it next spring! > > > > > > > > I'm afraid the higher-ups will decide to forget it and make = firewood out > > of > > > > it. I've been in contact with powerful parishoners concerned but it's > > out > > > > of their hands. > > > > > > > > Rick > > > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related = topics > > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Fw: Fw: What's It Worth? From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 08:17:08 -0500   My point exactly- to find suitable replacement stops -same scale and wp. I have no mandrel to reform the pancake Chimney Flute -they are really in = bad shape.   Rick     ----- Original Message ----- From: Roy Redman <rredman@imagin.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2000 11:46 PM Subject: Re: Fw: What's It Worth?     > Almost all metal pipes, even flattened and torn ones can be repaired. = The cost > > may equal a new rank, however. If the organ is not important enough > historically, > it may be more economical to replace them with other used pipes. > Roy > > VEAGUE wrote: > > > If there WERE any pipes to SAVE, that would be just fine. There are = five > > wood bass pipes that kids didn't get into: The rest are flattened and torn > > apart. > > > > Rick > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <TRACKELECT@cs.com> > > To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> > > Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2000 7:06 PM > > Subject: Re: What's It Worth? > > > > > In a message dated 12/9/00 3:21:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > > dutchorgan@svs.net writes: > > > > > > << (new wood and metal pipes too) >> > > > > > > Why in the world does this pipework need to be replaced? Even the = most > > abused > > > and beat up cone (pinch-gouge) tuned pipes can be repaired. It is quite > > > amazing actually, I have taken totally abused pipes that for all > > appearances > > > looked like they were good for nothing but the melting pot and made them > > like > > > new and I'm not even a real pipe maker. Who recommended this? = Perhaps you > > > should get a second opinion. > > > > > > Alan B > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related = topics > > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: descant for Silent Night From: "Pat Maimone" <patmai@juno.com> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 08:28:40 -0500   Dear Carlo,   Would you please send me a copy at   <yp6867@usma.edu> where the printer is working..   Merci beaucoup!   On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 07:29:22 -0500 "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> writes: > I have here a 2-page descant for Silent Night, which I scanned and > sent to > someone. Before I delete it, is there anyone else who'd like to have > it? > > Carlo   ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.  
(back) Subject: Re: descant for Silent Night From: <snyder@skyenet.net> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 13:20:51 -0500   Sure, I would interested also. Thank-you!!!     >On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 07:29:22 -0500 "Carlo Pietroniro" ><organist@total.net> writes: >> I have here a 2-page descant for Silent Night, which I scanned and >> sent to >> someone. Before I delete it, is there anyone else who'd like to have >> it? >> >> Carlo   Clarice Jane Snyder snyder@skyenet.net, Web pages: (Music) http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/2059  
(back) Subject: Feeder bellows pumped by water motor - cross posted From: <TRACKELECT@cs.com> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 13:25:12 EST   We have reached the stage in the restoration of the 1895 Haskell where we will be rebuilding the reservoir and feeders. It was assumed that this = organ was originally hand pumped. It was not. It was powered by a water motor in =   the basement. It is long gone. In an endeavor to make this organ = completely original I am exploring the option of replacing the water motor. If anyone =   knows where we can get a water motor in any state of repair please let us know. If I could examine one and take measurements I could have one made. There are no organs in this area (central NJ) that I know of that have a surviving water motor.   Thanks:   Alan B  
(back) Subject: water motor From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 13:58:03 -0500   What you want is a Ross Waterjack -made by the Ross Valve Company.   Sorry, but that's all the info I have to offer.   Rick    
(back) Subject: Re: descant for Silent Night From: "Milam, Rene" <milamrp@fcc.net> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 15:36:18 -0500   Yes, please send to me.   Thanks. Rene milamrp@fcc.net   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;> Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 7:29 AM Subject: descant for Silent Night     > I have here a 2-page descant for Silent Night, which I scanned and sent = to > someone. Before I delete it, is there anyone else who'd like to have it? > > Carlo > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Re: descant for Silent Night From: "Nancy Renneckar" <nrenneckar@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 13:28:11 -0800 (PST)   To Carlo: I , too, would like to have Silent Night descant. Thanks. Nancy  
(back) Subject: Re: Public Domain Works From: "Stephen F. P. Karr" <karr_sf@acadmn.mercer.edu> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 16:41:15 -0500   > cpdl.snaptel.com/search.htm   It worked for me. . .I even printed out a piece from the site. Perhaps it will work for you if you try it again.   -Stephen Karr  
(back) Subject: Re: descant for Silent Night From: "Douglas A Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 12:02:14 -0500   Carlo, I wouold like a copy as well.....   Thnaks in advance !   Dougcampbell@juno.com Douglas A. Campbell Skaneateles, NY     On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 07:29:22 -0500 "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> writes: > I have here a 2-page descant for Silent Night, which I scanned and > sent to > someone. Before I delete it, is there anyone else who'd like to have > it? > > Carlo > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related > topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >  
(back) Subject: Re: Feeder bellows pumped by water motor - cross posted From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 17:13:12 EST   In a message dated 12/10/00 6:26:00 PM !!!First Boot!!!, TRACKELECT@cs.com =   writes:   << In an endeavor to make this organ completely original I am exploring the option of replacing the water motor. >>   I wonder if, although not totally authentic, if there is a way to make a water motor work in principle, i.e. functionally as designed but without water.   Bruce ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ Visit Howling Acres at Ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: Feeder bellows pumped by water motor - cross posted From: <TRACKELECT@cs.com> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 18:28:21 EST   In a message dated 12/10/00 5:13:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, Cremona502@cs.com writes:   << I wonder if, although not totally authentic, if there is a way to make a water motor work in principle, i.e. functionally as designed but without water. >> I have considered using an electric motor with gear reduction attached to = a crank. A real water motor would add a higher level of authenticity.   Alan B  
(back) Subject: Re: Feeder bellows pumped by water motor - cross posted From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 18:46:29 -0600   At 12/10/00 05:13 PM, Bruce wrote:   >I wonder if, although not totally authentic, if there is a way to make a >water motor work in principle, i.e. functionally as designed but without >water.     Sure there would be! Water motors worked by letting water from the city mains flow thru the motor (a piston-sort of arrangement, I believe, which produced an up-down motion well suited to operating a then-typical bellows lever) and once the water had done its thing, it was sent to the drain or sewer.   If one wanted to make one of the things work today (without the horrendous waste of water and resultant extraordinary water *bill*), you'd have to = rig an arrangement such that the water output from the motor was collected in some sort of reservior or tank, equipped with a pump and plumbing to recirculate the water back to the intake of the motor. The only possible snafu to this arrangement would be the tendency of water motors to leak rather profusely -- as I understand it, anyone standing close to a water motor back in their days would likely get an automatic shower from water leaking around the bushings of the piston shaft of the motor itself as it worked. So, you'd have to make allowances for the water in your "semi-closed recirculation system" to be replenished when it was depleted. =   Sounds like a heck of a lot of bother...<G>...I think I'll stick to the good 'ole Orgoblo!   Cheers!   Tim (who *would* like to see one of the things "go" one of these days anyways...good luck, Alan!)  
(back) Subject: Re: Feeder bellows pumped by water motor - cross posted From: <CareyOrgan@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 19:53:41 EST   Hello Alan:   I used to have a water engine in pristine condition but it went to the =   Beehive in New Hampshire. Perhaps you should get in touch with John Morningstar to see what his plans are for it.   My area is replete with the remnants of Ross Water Engines which were made in Troy NY (my city). In fact this company is still flourishing but = not on water engines. They do have one set up and operable which they use for =   some other purpose that I do not understand.   If you want, I can send you some info after the great holiday tuning trip. Perhaps I would be able to free one of these up for you and I would =   certainly try to do so; but not right now.   Someone suggested the possibility of having a water motor still = operate but WITHOUT water. I guess that would make it a non-water engine, = wouldn't it? We had a large 17 rank Vocalion in storage here but it had no = casework. We had the Ross engine for it and all of the other items comprising the = wind system including feeders and double rise reservoir. This is what went to = the Beehive because we just needed the room for hopefully setting up a pipe = shop.   Here's how we thought of operating the water engine. I don't know = what the M-O is in your area but in Troy NY the water is metered and bills are sent out every three months. With regard to the water engine, once the cylinder is full and has done its lifting operation, there is a trigger mechanism which activates a dump valve and the water flows to the sewer. That can be almost 2 qts/upstroke. I have no idea nor have I bothered to calculate this figure as I just know that in our case it would have been prohibitive.   What we came up with was to have a tank to catch the water as it is spent. Naturally the tank would have to have been of sufficient size to = hold both workable and reserve water. An electric water pump would have been connected to the entry port and would have had to spec out to equal city pressure. We talked and talked about this at the Carey Organ Company and this project would have been for our 6th or 7th Vocalion project and we = have the studio space for the organ; but, alas, no time to get into the project =   and simultaneously do work for our pipe organ customers.   As you can see, we are still animated with the possibility. If you = can do this job on the instrument in question, you will end up with a gem of a =   wind system. Let me know if I can help you along in any way. And please email me personally.   Thanks!   Paul D. Carey Carey Organ Inc. Troy, NY  
(back) Subject: Re: Feeder bellows pumped by water motor - cross posted From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 19:07:46 -0600   TRACKELECT@cs.com wrote: > > In a message dated 12/10/00 5:13:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, Cremona502@cs.com writes:   > I have considered using an electric motor with gear reduction attached = to a > crank.   Quite a few people have tried this, but it generally does not work, since to control the rate of pumping you have to attach some kind of rheostat and AC motors are generally not flexible enough to stand up to being frequently slowed down and speeded up in this way. In the early days of electricity, much mains electricity was DC, and it was perfectly possible to design such a system satisfactorily using DC. A number of instruments had such systems before the rotary blower with a curtain valve or cone valve to control the flow enabled organs to be run on AC. I do, however, understand that there are currently some new attempts in Europe to achieve a satisfactory AC motorized blower handle using modern solid state technology to control the motor, and it is possible that these experiments will ultimaely prove successful.   John Speller  
(back) Subject: Re: Feeder bellows pumped by water motor - cross posted From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 20:31:21 EST   In a message dated 12/10/00 11:29:09 PM !!!First Boot!!!, = TRACKELECT@cs.com writes:   << I have considered using an electric motor with gear reduction attached to = a crank. A real water motor would add a higher level of authenticity. >>   Although the water motor would be authentic, it would be not only wasteful =   but irresponsible in a time when water is often a rationed resource. I don't think the restoration would be badly compromised, especially if a = water motor replica were present for display alongside the operating gear motor.   Bruce ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ Visit Howling Acres at Ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: Feeder bellows pumped by water motor - cross posted From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 20:34:01 EST   In a message dated 12/11/00 12:45:21 AM !!!First Boot!!!, tmbovard@arkansas.net writes:   << Tim (who *would* like to see one of the things "go" one of these days anyways...good luck, Alan!) >>   We were privileged and much entertained at the Louisville OHS convention = (I believe) to see a water motor in action. You are right, however, that = they do leak and spray. The one we saw was set up outside in the church yard, = and was quite an elaborate sprinkler system. This is what happens when you = miss an OHS convention!!! ;-)   Bruce ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ Visit Howling Acres at Ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: Feeder bellows pumped by water motor - cross posted From: "Douglas A Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 20:42:32 -0500   Dear John and list,   There is very readily available Commercial DC motors and there associted control systems. These are used in industry almost everywhere. A quick of "Electric Motors" in the yellow pages should provide you with countless sources for these.   When we had a problem a few years ago w/ our Kinetic blower motor (circa 1928) - we discovered that the alignment between the motor and the blower shaft had changed over the years. - A new flexible coupling was obtained from such a source at a cost of only $ 150.00 !   Douglas A. Campbell Skaneateles, NY     On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 19:07:46 -0600 "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> writes: > TRACKELECT@cs.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated 12/10/00 5:13:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, > Cremona502@cs.com writes: > > > I have considered using an electric motor with gear reduction > attached to a > crank. > > Quite a few people have tried this, but it generally does not work, > since to control the rate of pumping you have to attach some kind of > rheostat and AC motors are generally not flexible enough to stand up > to > being frequently slowed down and speeded up in this way. In the > early > days of electricity, much mains electricity was DC, and it was > perfectly > possible to design such a system satisfactorily using DC. A number > of > instruments had such systems before the rotary blower with a curtain > valve or cone valve to control the flow enabled organs to be run on > AC. > I do, however, understand that there are currently some new attempts > in > Europe to achieve a satisfactory AC motorized blower handle using > modern > solid state technology to control the motor, and it is possible that > these experiments will ultimaely prove successful. > > John Speller > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related > topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >  
(back) Subject: Re: I have had it From: "WDBabcock" <WDBabcock@email.msn.com> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 19:41:34 -0600   We all know how obtuse some people can be. William D. "Bill" Babcock WDBabcock@msn.com wbabcock@lansing.lib.il.us My goal is to be the person my dog thinks I am. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Hulme" <colin_hulme@lineone.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 6:08 AM Subject: Re: I have had it     > > > WDBabcock wrote: > > > > Blessed be he who lights a fire at the feet of the ignorant to > > teach them wisdom. > > > Are you advocating a return to burning at the stake? <vbg> > > Colin > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >        
(back) Subject: Re: Feeder bellows pumped by water motor - cross posted From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 22:39:21 -0500   Re: AC motor speed control >   I use in my shop frequently a VariAc -which is a large rheostat for AC = motor speed control.   It is now connected to a geared-down DC motor on my Dutch street organ. A large diode between the VariAc and DC motor does the trick.   Rick    
(back) Subject: Old Business From: <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 23:43:27 -0500 (EST)   Yesterday I posted my music list for 12/10/00 and failed to mention an arranger for the piece, "Prepare the Way, O Zion". The arranger is Sondra K. Tucker.   Best wishes on a great week. Neil B.    
(back) Subject: New Business From: <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 23:45:51 -0500 (EST)   This evening, Sunday, I was listening on the radio to a broadcast from the "Moody Church" in Chicago. Is anyone familiar with the organ at Moody Church?   It sounds like an Aeolian-Skinner to me.   Just curious. Neil B.    
(back) Subject: Re: New Business From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 23:09:57 -0600       Innkawgneeto@webtv.net wrote:   > This evening, Sunday, I was listening on the radio to a broadcast from > the "Moody Church" in Chicago. Is anyone familiar with the organ at > Moody Church? > > It sounds like an Aeolian-Skinner to me.   According to the Moody Church Archives, viewable on line at   <http://www.wheaton.edu/bgc/archives/guides/330.htm>   a Reuter was installed at one time, and Hammond in Torrey Chapel.            
(back) Subject: Re: Feeder bellows pumped by water motor - cross posted From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 00:30:48 EST   In a message dated 12/11/00 1:07:55 AM !!!First Boot!!!, = jlspeller@stlnet.com writes:   << Quite a few people have tried this, but it generally does not work, since to control the rate of pumping you have to attach some kind of rheostat and AC motors are generally not flexible enough to stand up to being frequently slowed down and speeded up in this way. In the early days of electricity, much mains electricity was DC, and it was perfectly possible to design such a system satisfactorily using DC. A number of instruments had such systems before the rotary blower with a curtain valve or cone valve to control the flow enabled organs to be run on AC. = >>   Not to beat a dead horse.... BUT.... might it be possible to operate a watermotor substituting air, thus creating a pneumatic motor which would = fill and exhaust, possibly putting the blower to better use (at least = musically)?/     Bruce ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ Visit Howling Acres at Ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502