PipeChat Digest #1702 - Tuesday, December 12, 2000
 
Fwd: Organ Clearing House Reorganizes
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: water motors
  by "Ron & Mandy" <ronwest@spiderweb.com.au>
Practice Organ
  by "Mark Hummel" <mhummel@pcug.org.au>
Reisner keyboards needed
  by "Keith B Williams" <keithbwill@juno.com>
Re: Cesar Franck
  by <ManderUSA@aol.com>
Re: Practice Organ
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: Cesar Franck
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Re: Cesar Franck
  by <quilisma@earthlink.net>
Re: Practice Organ
  by "Ben Baldus" <bbaldus@voyager.net>
Franck Chorale Dedications
  by <ManderUSA@aol.com>
Re: Practice Organ
  by "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersv.edu>
 

(back) Subject: Fwd: Organ Clearing House Reorganizes From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 19:43:27 -0600   For some reason Bill Van Pelt didn't also send this to the PipeChat list when he sent it to the PIPORG-L so i am forwarding it here - I hope he doesn't mind, which i doubt that he would.   David   >Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:46:51 -0500 >Reply-To: "William T. Van Pelt" <bill@organsociety.org> >Sender: Pipe Organs and Related Topics <PIPORG-L@listserv.albany.edu> >From: "William T. Van Pelt" <bill@organsociety.org> >Organization: Organ Historical Society >Subject: Organ Clearing House Reorganizes >Comments: To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> >To: PIPORG-L@listserv.albany.edu > >The Tracker, Journal of the Organ Historical Society, will go to press = this >week. It contains notice of the reorganization of the Organ Clearing = House. >Recent postings have raised good questions about the Clearing House and = its >future, the beginning of which is addressed in the article which I = excerpt, >below, at the request of the new management of the Organ Clearing House: > >Organ Clearing House Reorganizes > > John Phillips Bishop, organbuilder of Arlington, Massachusetts, has = been >named executive director of the Organ Clearing House, succeeding Alan >Laufman. Amory T. Atkin and Joshua Wood, both of Cambridge, = Massachusetts, >continue as directors of physical relocation activities, and Richard A. >Nickerson of Melrose, Massachusetts, has been named to coordinate storage >facilities. The appointments were agreed upon by the parties involved at >meetings conducted in October and November. > The Organ Clearing House continues with the web address >www.organclearinghouse.com. Contact with John Bishop is available by = e-mail >at John@organclearinghouse.com or by toll-free telephone at 866-827-3055. >The mailing address is Organ Clearing House, P. O. Box 219, Lexington, MA >02420-0219. > The Organ Clearing House began activity in 1956 with the founding of = the >Organ Historical Society and it was operated by the first OHS president, >Barbara Owen. The first issue of the Society's journal, The Tracker, >contained a recurring column entitled "Organs for Sale." That same first >issue chronicles the meeting at which OHS was created and where one of = the >three topics considered was, "to see if a central file could be kept of >information concerning old organs which are to be sold or scrapped, in = order >to prevent these examples of early American organ building from being = lost >or destroyed." In 1961, Alan Laufman was appointed to coordinate the >information in the "Organs for Sale" column. In The Tracker dated October >1962 (VII:1:6), the column was first headed "Organ Clearing House." > The Organ Clearing House was operated by OHS until the National = Council >meeting of August 26, 1963, when it was separated entirely from OHS and >given to Alan Laufman to operate as his own enterprise. > Alan Laufman recently estimated that the Organ Clearing House has = been >instrumental in relocating more than 2,000 pipe organs in the U. S. as = well >as in Brazil, England, Latvia, Germany, and Japan. > >Bill Van Pelt > >:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: >Note: opinions expressed on PIPORG-L are those of the individual con- >tributors and not necessarily those of the list owners nor of the Uni- >versity at Albany. For a brief summary of list commands, send mail to >listserv@listserv.albany.edu saying GET LSVCMMDS.TXT or see the web >page at http://www.albany.edu/piporg-l/lsvcmmds.html . >::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::    
(back) Subject: Re: water motors From: "Ron & Mandy" <ronwest@spiderweb.com.au> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 11:42:56 +1000   Interesting comments from Bud <quilisma@earthlink.net>   Many years ago my aunt played an organ that was driven by a water motor = and she told of a time when the governor (apparently this one had some sort of arrangement that cut down the speed when the bellows were full) didn't = work. The motor apparently went wild and the whole organ started shaking = bringing the service to an abrupt halt while one of the choir members lept down = into the basement to turn off the main valve. This was in New Zealand and there, as in the U.S., the churches went on to other forms of blowing when they had to pay the water rates. The only water motor I have seen was used as a stop to hold the yard gate open at the Whitehouse organ works in Brisbane. And that was a few moons = ago too.   Regards,   Ron West    
(back) Subject: Practice Organ From: "Mark Hummel" <mhummel@pcug.org.au> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 14:27:03 +1100 (EST)   Dear List,   I want an organ to home for practice, but I am concerned that an Allen etc would be overkill since the acoustics would be totally different in a house than in a church or large hall.   I'm toying with the idea of building my own (I'm a programmer and play organ as a hobby) using a PC, soundcard and some keyboards.   I could use Gigasampler but its probably too general, and therefore too clumsy just to use as a method of choosing stops. The other problem is that a computer is a general computing tool, so its probably not all that suited for the problem.   Another solution would be to purchase a whole set of hardware midi modules and connect them to keyboards.   As far as I can tell, existing low end electronic organs aren't quite what I'd like. (ie only 25 pedals, poor interface, clipping problems)   Anyway, my question is: what do other people do who want to practice at home?   I apologise if this sort of question always pops up, but thanks for your help,   Mark.    
(back) Subject: Reisner keyboards needed From: "Keith B Williams" <keithbwill@juno.com> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 21:50:36 -0600   Dear List; We are in need of a pair of Reisner keyboards, with or without key actions. If with key actions, the Swell needs to have at least 4 and no more than 6 slides, and the Great needs to have 6 slides. We are attempting to help out a client of very limited means who has a small pipe organ controlled by a former Allen console with these units inside them. The keyboards are warping, etc, but the present contacts at rear are fine (unusual for Reisner contacts to last longer than their keyboards, I know!)   Keith Williams ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.  
(back) Subject: Re: Cesar Franck From: <ManderUSA@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:54:16 EST     --part1_3f.dcbac09.2766fb68_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   In a message dated 12/11/2000 5:39:50 PM Eastern Standard Time,=3D20 organist@total.net writes:     > choral #1 in E Major was dedicated to Eug=3DE8ne Gigout > choral #2 in b minor was dedicated to Auguste Durand > choral #3 in a minor was dedicated to Augusta Holm=3DE8s (one of = Franck's > students) >=3D20 > Carlo >=3D20   But is it not true that the above dedications, as found in the Durand = editio=3D n=3D20 of the Three Chorales, were the invention of Durand? I am almost certain = I=3D20 once wrote down the names of those that really were Franck's dedicatees. = A=3D20 lot of good it did me, as I have no idea where they are, and for that = matter=3D ,=3D20 I am not sure I have not imagined this whole thing. Franck died on = November=3D20 8th, 1890. If he did not see these works in print, he could not have=3D20 protested false dedications. Anyone know about this?   Cheers,   Malcolm   --part1_3f.dcbac09.2766fb68_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D3D2=3D >In a message dated 12/11/2000 5:39:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, = <BR>organis=3D t@total.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-=3D LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">choral #1 in E Major was = de=3D dicated to Eug=3DE8ne Gigout <BR>choral #2 in b minor was dedicated to Auguste Durand <BR>choral #3 in a minor was dedicated to Augusta Holm=3DE8s (one of = Franck's <BR>students) <BR> <BR>Carlo <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"> <BR>But is it not true that the above dedications, as found in the Durand = ed=3D ition <BR>of the Three Chorales, were the invention of Durand? I am almost = c=3D ertain I <BR>once wrote down the names of those that really were Franck's = de=3D dicatees. A <BR>lot of good it did me, as I have no idea where they are, = and=3D for that matter, <BR>I am not sure I have not imagined this whole thing. = Fr=3D anck died on November <BR>8th, 1890. If he did not see these works in = print,=3D he could not have <BR>protested false dedications. Anyone know about = this? <BR> <BR>Cheers, <BR> <BR>Malcolm</FONT></HTML>   --part1_3f.dcbac09.2766fb68_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Practice Organ From: <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 23:03:55 EST   In a message dated 12/11/00 9:28:31 PM Central Standard Time, mhummel@pcug.org.au writes:   << Anyway, my question is: what do other people do who want to practice at home? >>   An old WurliTzer amplified reed organ is what I have at home (model # = 4602) and it has a standard AGO pedalboard and two full manuals -- the only real =   drawback is that there are no pistons... It has been a good practice tool =   when I don't feel like going to the church and you can practice in your undies, but be careful of staying on the bench too long in your undies or you'll end up with a white butt print!   John  
(back) Subject: Re: Cesar Franck From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 23:12:22 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0013_01C063C7.D1794000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I didn't get these from the Durand editions. Besides, I have another reference that states the same thing. Frankly, who cares WHO they were dedicated to?!?   Carlo   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0013_01C063C7.D1794000 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dwindows-1252"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4522.1800" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#00a5f4> <DIV>I didn't get these from the Durand editions. Besides, I have =3D another=3D20 reference that states the same thing. Frankly, who cares WHO they were =3D dedicated=3D20 to?!?</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Carlo</DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0013_01C063C7.D1794000--    
(back) Subject: Re: Cesar Franck From: <quilisma@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 20:27:31 -0800     --------------D257A7468E5D3B44F1197EA5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Diso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by = harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net id UAA24989   I seem to recall that they were changed by Durand in the second edition. My David Craighead notes are at the church, but I think he told us the original dedications.   Cheers,   Bud   ManderUSA@aol.com wrote:   > In a message dated 12/11/2000 5:39:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, > organist@total.net writes: > > > >> choral #1 in E Major was dedicated to Eug=3DE8ne Gigout >> choral #2 in b minor was dedicated to Auguste Durand >> choral #3 in a minor was dedicated to Augusta Holm=3DE8s (one of >> Franck's >> students) >> >> Carlo > > But is it not true that the above dedications, as found in the Durand > edition > of the Three Chorales, were the invention of Durand? I am almost > certain I > once wrote down the names of those that really were Franck's > dedicatees. A > lot of good it did me, as I have no idea where they are, and for that > matter, > I am not sure I have not imagined this whole thing. Franck died on > November > 8th, 1890. If he did not see these works in print, he could not have > protested false dedications. Anyone know about this? > > Cheers, > > Malcolm   --------------D257A7468E5D3B44F1197EA5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> <body bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"> I seem to recall that they were changed by Durand in the second edition. My David Craighead notes are at the church, but I think he told us the original dedications. <p>Cheers, <p>Bud <p>ManderUSA@aol.com wrote: <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>In = a message dated 12/11/2000 5:39:50 PM Eastern Standard Time,</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>organist@total.net = writes:</font></font> <br>&nbsp; <br>&nbsp; <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><font = face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>choral #1 in E Major was dedicated to Eug&egrave;ne Gigout</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>choral #2 in b minor = was dedicated to Auguste Durand</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>choral #3 in a minor = was dedicated to Augusta Holm&egrave;s (one of Franck's</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>students)</font></font> <p><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font = size=3D-1>Carlo</font></font></blockquote>   <p><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>But is it = not true that the above dedications, as found in the Durand = edition</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>of the = Three Chorales, were the invention of Durand? I am almost certain = I</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>once = wrote down the names of those that really were Franck's dedicatees. = A</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>lot of = good it did me, as I have no idea where they are, and for that = matter,</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>I am not = sure I have not imagined this whole thing. Franck died on = November</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>8th, = 1890. If he did not see these works in print, he could not = have</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>protested = false dedications. Anyone know about this?</font></font></font> <p><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font = size=3D-1>Cheers,</font></font></font> <p><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font = size=3D-1>Malcolm</font></font></font></blockquote>   </body> </html>   --------------D257A7468E5D3B44F1197EA5--    
(back) Subject: Re: Practice Organ From: "Ben Baldus" <bbaldus@voyager.net> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 23:53:41 -0500   I have a III/42 Rodgers from an analog era in a galaxy far, far away with = new digital amplification (Parasound) through several pair of Fried = Loudspeakers. It came cheaply from a Lutheran Church in New Jersey that had a new pipe organ--but parishioners quarreling over the redundant electronic. The = music director got a truck and hauled it to me, and our best local organ builder dumped the old amplifiers and speakers and redid the amplification through = the aforementioned loudspeakers. It has a full combination action, principal, flute and reed choruses on Gt and Sw, plus strings & celestes and a Ch division with flutes 8' through 1' and mutations at 2-2/3 and 1-3/5. Plus = a decent 16' Trombone on the Pedal. While it would be nice to have a little II/P tracker--one can actually rehearse fairly complex choral and organ = music with this setup.   Ben Baldus   Mark Hummel wrote:   > Dear List, > > I want an organ to home for practice, but I am concerned that an > Allen etc would be overkill since the acoustics would be totally = different > in a house than in a church or large hall. > > I'm toying with the idea of building my own (I'm a programmer and play > organ as a hobby) using a PC, soundcard and some keyboards. > > I could use Gigasampler but its probably too general, and therefore too > clumsy just to use as a method of choosing stops. The other problem is > that a computer is a general computing tool, so its probably not all = that > suited for the problem. > > Another solution would be to purchase a whole set of hardware midi = modules > and connect them to keyboards. > > As far as I can tell, existing low end electronic organs aren't quite > what I'd like. (ie only 25 pedals, poor interface, clipping problems) > > Anyway, my question is: what do other people do who want to practice at > home? > > I apologise if this sort of question always pops up, but thanks for your > help, > > Mark. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Franck Chorale Dedications From: <ManderUSA@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 00:05:13 EST     --part1_de.d978fea.27670c09_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Dear List,   I posed the question of the identity of Franck's intended dedicatees on PipOrg-L, and Keith Toth, one of the listmembers I thought might know something about this did indeed respond with the goods, to wit:   << Dear List:   Malcolm Wechsler is indeed correct in questioning the authenticity of the dedicatees of the Trois Chorales. None of the manuscripts or drafts presently known has a dedicatee listed. There is much conjecture about = how these names came about. Perhaps Mme Langlais' forthcoming edition of the Franck works will bring to light more information on this topic as she has =   had access to the manuscripts in the posession of the Franck family.   Regards,   Keith S. Toth The Brick Church New York City >>   And thank you, Keith.   Malcolm Wechsler     --part1_de.d978fea.27670c09_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D2>Dear List, <BR> <BR>I posed the question of the identity of Franck's intended dedicatees = on <BR>PipOrg-L, and Keith Toth, one of the listmembers I thought might = know <BR>something about this did indeed respond with the goods, to wit: <BR> <BR>&lt;&lt; &nbsp;Dear List: <BR> <BR>Malcolm Wechsler is indeed correct in questioning the authenticity of = the <BR>dedicatees of the Trois Chorales. &nbsp;None of the manuscripts or = drafts <BR>presently known has a dedicatee listed. &nbsp;There is much = conjecture about how <BR>these names came about. &nbsp;Perhaps Mme = Langlais' forthcoming edition of the <BR>Franck works will bring to light = more information on this topic as she has <BR>had access to the = manuscripts in the posession of the Franck family. <BR> <BR>Regards, <BR> <BR>Keith S. Toth <BR>The Brick Church <BR>New York City &nbsp;&gt;&gt; <BR> <BR>And thank you, Keith. <BR> <BR>Malcolm Wechsler <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_de.d978fea.27670c09_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Practice Organ From: "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersv.edu> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 00:19:12 -0500   Contact Organ Clearing House or watch the ads in organ magazines to = consider a two or three-rank Wicks, Moeller, etc. Some Wicks two-rankers have = reeds in the bottom octave of the pedals and are low enough for a standard ceiling. I think that's better than a toaster. Cordially,   Karl E. Moyer Lancaster PA   > From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com > Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 23:03:55 EST > To: pipechat@pipechat.org > Subject: Re: Practice Organ > > In a message dated 12/11/00 9:28:31 PM Central Standard Time, > mhummel@pcug.org.au writes: > > << Anyway, my question is: what do other people do who want to practice = at > home? >> > > An old WurliTzer amplified reed organ is what I have at home (model # = 4602) > and it has a standard AGO pedalboard and two full manuals -- the only = real > drawback is that there are no pistons... It has been a good practice = tool > when I don't feel like going to the church and you can practice in your > undies, but be careful of staying on the bench too long in your undies = or > you'll end up with a white butt print! > > John > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >