PipeChat Digest #1717 - Thursday, December 21, 2000
 
Re: St. Mary-the-Virgin, NYC
  by <ManderUSA@aol.com>
Re: New organ in Washington DC
  by <ManderUSA@aol.com>
RE: St. Mary-the-Virgin NYC
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
RE: Bach
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
the Rector's pleasure
  by <quilisma@earthlink.net>
Re: the Rector's pleasure
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
Re: X-post: A Casavant problem!!
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: the Rector's pleasure
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
RE: the Rector's pleasure
  by "Randy Terry" <randyterry@laumc.org>
Saint Mary the Virgin Church - NYC
  by "Jason Comet" <diaphone64@hotmail.com>
Merry Christmas
  by "DanielW Hopkins" <danielwh1@ns.sympatico.ca>
Re: X-post: A Casavant problem!!
  by <wchapmn@attglobal.net>
Re: X-post: A Casavant problem!!
  by <TRACKELECT@cs.com>
Re: the Rector's pleasure
  by <quilisma@earthlink.net>
Re: X-post: A Casavant problem!!
  by "Hugh Drogemuller" <lon.hdrogemuller@wwdc.com>
Music List, Dec. 17, 2000
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: Merry Christmas
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: the Rector's pleasure
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
New CD
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: the Rector's pleasure
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: the Rector's pleasure
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
Re: origin of Silent Night
  by <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: the Rector's pleasure
  by <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: Saint Mary the Virgin Church - NYC
  by <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Organ in Scent of a Woman
  by <Oboe32@aol.com>
Re: X-post: A Casavant problem!!
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: St. Mary-the-Virgin, NYC From: <ManderUSA@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 07:57:54 EST     --part1_cc.e773f06.277206d2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/20/2000 2:00:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, quilisma@earthlink.net writes:     > The clergy at St. Mary's have been notorious ever since Father Tabor > retired. I've been AMAZED that the restoration of the organ got carried > out.   Father Tabor died at the Metropolitan Opera, and the common clergy comment = at the time was: "Oh, he'd be so pleased!"   Not on topic, but short.   Malcolm   --part1_cc.e773f06.277206d2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D2>In a message dated 12/20/2000 2:00:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, = <BR>quilisma@earthlink.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">The clergy at St. = Mary's have been notorious ever since Father Tabor <BR>retired. I've been AMAZED that the restoration of the organ got = carried <BR>out.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Father Tabor died at the Metropolitan Opera, and the common clergy = comment at <BR>the time was: "Oh, he'd be so pleased!" <BR> <BR>Not on topic, but short. <BR> <BR>Malcolm</FONT></HTML>   --part1_cc.e773f06.277206d2_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: New organ in Washington DC From: <ManderUSA@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 08:30:34 EST     --part1_54.d9fb613.27720e7a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/19/2000 9:42:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, jdoney@email.msn.com writes:     > Just visited a site where they are installing a new Letourneau organ. = Great > pictures, specifications, good drool material. To get all the pictures = I > had to use the refresh button several times/ > > www.Ascensionandsaintagnes.org >   Thanks John, for calling this to our attention. It's a really good example = of a webpage devoted to an organ installation.   Malcolm Wechsler www.mander-organs.com   --part1_54.d9fb613.27720e7a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D2>In a message dated 12/19/2000 9:42:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, = <BR>jdoney@email.msn.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Just visited a = site where they are installing a new Letourneau organ. &nbsp;Great <BR>pictures, specifications, good drool material. &nbsp;To get all the = pictures I <BR>had to use the refresh button several times/ <BR> <BR>www.Ascensionandsaintagnes.org <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Thanks John, for calling this to our attention. It's a really good = example of <BR>a webpage devoted to an organ installation. <BR> <BR>Malcolm Wechsler <BR>www.mander-organs.com</FONT></HTML>   --part1_54.d9fb613.27720e7a_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: St. Mary-the-Virgin NYC From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 08:37:22 -0500   Funny you mention a kazoo. One of the three PDQ Bach pieces performed at = the recital I attended last weekend included a kazoo and you're right, It = sounds good in those accoustics!!   > -----Original Message----- > From: quilisma@earthlink.net [mailto:quilisma@earthlink.net] > Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 8:00 PM > To: pipechat > Subject: St. Mary-the-Virgin NYC > > > McNeil Robinson scrounged the pipes from SMV's sister organ at Trinity > College, Hartford to replace some of the Ernest White horrors > ... while > he was on vacation, the Rector tossed "all that junk out of the parish > hall". > > I see that his hoped-for Orgue de Choeur division is prepared > for on the > new console ... there's a large Jardine chest in a large > chamber behind > that little swallow's nest of pipes WAY up on the Epistle side of the > sanctuary ... the Jardine pipes were removed when the E.M. Skinner was > installed ... I don't know if any Jardine pipes remain in the gallery > organ ... but the chest and the spacious chamber is still there, > although I understand the tonal egresss is poor. > > Presently there's also a refurbished three-manual Holtkamp > console down > front that controls most of the gallery organ ... the choir > has made the > trip from gallery to chancel to gallery a couple of times recently, > evidently. > > A KAZOO would sound good in THOSE acoustics (grin). > > Cheers, > > Bud > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >  
(back) Subject: RE: Bach From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 08:41:12 -0500   Has that started again. I always miss the organ works, damn.   > -----Original Message----- > From: edbroorg@webtv.net [mailto:edbroorg@webtv.net] > Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 9:04 PM > To: pipechat@pipechat.org > Subject: Bach > > > There is all Bach programming 24 hours daily until Dec > 28 on radio > station WKCR-FM 89.9FM New York City area.. The > works are done > in chronological order. (250 hours total) > > www.wkcr .org > > Ed Brown > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >  
(back) Subject: the Rector's pleasure From: <quilisma@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 08:54:47 -0800   Bob - in the U.S., we have the "Rector's Pleasure" canon (presumably inherited from the C of E) ... the Rector has SOLE discretion to hire and fire ANYONE on the parish staff. There is some talk of doing away with it at the next General Synod, but from what I've heard the PRIESTS are unalterably opposed to it ... gee, wonder why?!   Cheers,   Bud   Bob Elms wrote:   > Does the priest/rector really have the power to hire or fire an > organist? It couldn't happen here where the appointments are made by > parish councils. Any priest firing an organist for no very good reason > would find himself over-ruled by the council. > Bob E. > > quilisma@earthlink.net wrote: > > > > Oh dear! Yes, you did! Go back in the archives. There was a Guild > > blackball against the church for over a year after the Rector fired > > Christopher Babcock with no notice. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: the Rector's pleasure From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 11:24:45 -0600   quilisma@earthlink.net wrote:   > Bob - in the U.S., we have the "Rector's Pleasure" canon (presumably > inherited from the C of E) ... the Rector has SOLE discretion to hire = and > fire ANYONE on the parish staff. There is some talk of doing away with = it > at the next General Synod, but from what I've heard the PRIESTS are > unalterably opposed to it ... gee, wonder why?!   The General Convention of the Episcopal Church in Denver 1997, did, however, pass a motion suggesting that clergy should not summarily dismiss parish staff in this way, so although canonically permissible, it is frowned upon and not in line with official church policy for the rector to exercise this canonical right. My wife is an Episcopal priest who was a deputy at the Denver convention and voted in favor of this motion. She would also be in favor of altering the canon -- perhaps to read that staff could only be dismissed with the concurrence of the rector _and_ vestry. This would be similar to the situation with rectors, who can generally only be dismissed with the concurrence of the bishop and vestry. It is my impression that contrary to what you say quite a few clergy would be in favor of such a change. It is only the old-fashioned prince-bishop style priests who oppose it.   John Speller  
(back) Subject: Re: X-post: A Casavant problem!! From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 12:24:43 EST   In a message dated 12/20/00 6:44:53 AM !!!First Boot!!!, DRAWKNOB@aol.com writes:   << GEEE, that sounds like the same problem I had with the electrical system = in my Pontiac a few years ago.... Since then I've switched to a Ford! >>   Gosh! how many pistons did.....   oh crap! I almost fell for that! ;-)   Bruce ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ Visit Howling Acres at Ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: the Rector's pleasure From: <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:46:52 EST   In a message dated 12/20/00 11:01:46 AM Central Standard Time, quilisma@earthlink.net writes:   << we have the "Rector's Pleasure" canon (presumably inherited from the C of E) ... >>   Bud,   Am I mistaking? I thought that in the UK city councils had a role in = church organist employment (i.e. they set the fees for weddings, funerals, = salaries, etc..) Wouldn't they have some say in the hiring/firing of church = employees too? Thus taking the power away from the rector/vicar. Enlighten me.   John  
(back) Subject: RE: the Rector's pleasure From: "Randy Terry" <randyterry@laumc.org> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 12:11:07 -0800   As an active Episcopalian and parish musician since 1982, this is a real issue that I am very glad to hear it is actually being discussed by the conventions.   I feel strongly that it is a dangerous and anachronistic policy when the possible ego/personality clashes between priests and musicians/others are left unchecked. Priests are protected by canon law which is quite clear = in placing the staffing issues of the church solely in their hands. Other staff members have no recourse. I've seen this power abused (and hardly given a second thought by the Vestries!) on numerous occasions. Even when I've agreed with the rector's decision, I could not support it in two = cases where the priest never expressed dissatisfaction to the employees, and did not give them the opportunity to improve. Whether or not they would have been able to do so is a moot point! Believe me it isn't only musicians = that get the boot unfairly!   However, every position I have held has been due to a rector change and either they or the musician terminated the relationship to begin with. = I've only been fired once during such a change. The way I dealt with the last rector change I went through was to start looking as the rector's tenure = was winding down. That church is in a transitional period with opposing = forces at work in the congregation and I did not want to stay during the interim and face a large staff turnover that I feel is really needed, anyway. I found a great (part-time job) in an Ep. church with a good salary, a = rector my age (who was just starting and had terminated the musician, with, I gather, the full support of the Vestry,) and much better acoustics and a better organ. I then resigned from my full-time music job, took a = full-time position as a manager at the very large Methodist Church down the street (who is much more business-like in their dealings.) I am making more = money than I ever dreamed was possible; I am much happier serving part-time in = the Episcopal Church, not having to worry about the money, which gives me a little more stand-up power, and not hearing the constant griping that = seems to go on. I have also gained a very favorable view of the UMC I work for where the staff and congregation seem to be much less stressed out!   I guess all I am saying is that the policy has, for me, either been mostly favorable, or I was able to use the knowledge of the policy to my = advantage. That in no way makes it fair or something that doesn't need changing. But = I doubt that I am the only Episcopal organist that has benefited as a result of this policy that seems to me to be used all too frequently for there to even be a question as to a change in the near future!   Randy Terry   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of John L. Speller   My wife is an Episcopal priest who was a deputy at the Denver convention = and voted in favor of this motion. She would also be in favor of altering the canon -- perhaps to = read that staff could only be dismissed with the concurrence of the rector = _and_ vestry.    
(back) Subject: Saint Mary the Virgin Church - NYC From: "Jason Comet" <diaphone64@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:17:05 -0500   Ok guys,   I would like to know exactly what happened at that place... I got so overwhelmed from the postins about that place that I just gave up =   reading them.... plus the many tangents that didn't add to the original post....   Will SOMEONE please give one complete statement and end it there? No tangents and other stuff that makes one want to throw the thousands of postings out.   Plus, would you want that position now that after the AGO's had that case = on the boards?   Thanks _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com    
(back) Subject: Merry Christmas From: "DanielW Hopkins" <danielwh1@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:21:39 -0400   http://www.geocities.com/gedackt98/HolidayGreetings.html Danielwh '2000' E.Power Biggs Fellow Recipient    
(back) Subject: Re: X-post: A Casavant problem!! From: <wchapmn@attglobal.net> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 18:37:49 -0500       Cremona502@cs.com wrote:   > In a message dated 12/19/00 9:47:04 PM !!!First Boot!!!, = TRACKELECT@cs.com > writes: > > << Here is a novel approach; Why doesn't someone call up this service = guy...   > In talking with the music director, it seems that the tech has been = unable to > diagnose this problem or a mysterious problem with the combination = action > going "in and out". ...   Why doesn't somebody call Denis Blaine at Casavant?   Wm. G. Chapman    
(back) Subject: Re: X-post: A Casavant problem!! From: <TRACKELECT@cs.com> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 19:38:31 EST   In a message dated 12/20/00 6:34:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, wchapmn@attglobal.net writes:   << Why doesn't somebody call Denis Blaine at Casavant? >> Excellent idea! At least this way we would know if the organ has Peterson = or SSL controls. The problem with the combinational memory could be caused by = a bad CMOS battery if it is SSL. I've seen this before. Peterson AA NiCad batteries don't seem to do this. I talked to Gary Rickert at Peterson = about the other problem (while I had him on the phone about a problem at = Lakehurst Cathedral of the Air) and he said exactly the same thing I did many posts = ago - simple trouble shooting procedure - start at the chest and work your way = to the console.   Alan B  
(back) Subject: Re: the Rector's pleasure From: <quilisma@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:42:00 -0800   That may well be so today, but it's my understanding it dates from the = time when most clergy were second sons of nobility and most musicians were = commoners. In 1786 when the American Episcopal Church broke away, there were, of course, = many Royalist sympathizers (grin).   Cheers,   Bud   DRAWKNOB@aol.com wrote:   > In a message dated 12/20/00 11:01:46 AM Central Standard Time, > quilisma@earthlink.net writes: > > << we have the "Rector's Pleasure" canon (presumably > inherited from the C of E) ... >> > > Bud, > > Am I mistaking? I thought that in the UK city councils had a role in = church > organist employment (i.e. they set the fees for weddings, funerals, = salaries, > etc..) Wouldn't they have some say in the hiring/firing of church = employees > too? Thus taking the power away from the rector/vicar. Enlighten me. > > John > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: X-post: A Casavant problem!! From: "Hugh Drogemuller" <lon.hdrogemuller@wwdc.com> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:28:23 -0500   At 19:38 20/12/2000 -0500, you wrote: >In a message dated 12/20/00 6:34:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, >wchapmn@attglobal.net writes: > ><< > Why doesn't somebody call Denis Blaine at Casavant? > >> >Excellent idea! At least this way we would know if the organ has Peterson = or >SSL controls.     (SNIP)   This organ is many years earlier than when Casavant started using SSL.   HD      
(back) Subject: Music List, Dec. 17, 2000 From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:25:13 -0500   Sunday morning, Dec. 17, 2000 Immanuel Presbyterian Church 3445 Clifton Ave. Cincinnati, Ohio   Christopher Stanichar, Music Director Randy Runyon, Organist     Prelude: Variations on a French Noel [original title: "Chartres: No=EBl Vari=E9"] Richard Purvis   Hymn: It Came Upon the Midnight Clear   Selections from "Messiah" G. F. Handel Comfort ye, my people Every valley shall be exalted Larry Rearing, tenor And the glory of the Lord For unto us a child is born There were shepherds And lo! the angel of the Lord And the angel said unto them And suddenly there was with the angel Anna Mayer, soprano Glory to God   Offertory: Rejoice Greatly, O Daughter of Zion G.F. Handel Anna Mayer, soprano   Hymn: Hark! The Herald Angels Sing   Selections from "Magnificat in D Major" J.S. Bach Magnificat Qui fecit mihi magna Isai Munoz, baritone Fecit potentiam Sicut locutus est Glori patri   Hallelujah (with congregation) G.F. Handel   Postlude: Toccata John Weaver   Immanuel Presbyterian Chancel Choir 6 sopranos, 5 altos, 3 tenors, 4 basses   Chancel Orchestra 4 violins, viola, cello, contrabass, oboe, bassoon, trumpet   Randy Runyon organist, Immanuel Presbyterian Church, Cincinnati runyonr@muohio.edu      
(back) Subject: Re: Merry Christmas From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 21:00:12 -0500   Daniel-   Beautiful facade of pipes. Where's the music?.......I didn't hear any music! <G>   Merry Christmas   Rick      
(back) Subject: Re: the Rector's pleasure From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:32:17 +0800   Bud, organists (mostly unpaid) are in short supply here. We'd probably fire the minister! Bob E.   quilisma@earthlink.net wrote: > > Bob - in the U.S., we have the "Rector's Pleasure" canon (presumably > inherited from the C of E) ... the Rector has SOLE discretion to hire = and > fire ANYONE on the parish staff. There is some talk of doing away with = it > at the next General Synod, but from what I've heard the PRIESTS are > unalterably opposed to it ... gee, wonder why?! > > Cheers, > > Bud > > Bob Elms wrote: > > > Does the priest/rector really have the power to hire or fire an > > organist? It couldn't happen here where the appointments are made by > > parish councils. Any priest firing an organist for no very good reason > > would find himself over-ruled by the council. > > Bob E. > > > > quilisma@earthlink.net wrote: > > > > > > Oh dear! Yes, you did! Go back in the archives. There was a Guild > > > blackball against the church for over a year after the Rector fired > > > Christopher Babcock with no notice. > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE: http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   -- ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/    
(back) Subject: New CD From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:52:59 +0800   For anyone interested there has just been released a fine CD of Dominic Perissinotto (organ) and Anthony Pope (trumpet) recorded in the Basilica of St Patrick, Fremantle, West Australia.Dominic is Director of Music at the Basilica and Anthony Pope is a member of the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra - a fine young player. It is an excellent CD recorded in the fine acoustic of this church using the grand organ and the chancel organ in a wide range of works. I have given the stoplist of the grand organ before on this list. It has eight divisions over four manuals with 108 speaking stops and 140 or so ranks. It is arguably the largest church organ in Australia. The original designer and builder was Bellsham Pipe organs (Aust), but that firm went bankrupt before the organ was completely finished, and the instrument was rebuilt and completed by South Island Organ Company of New Zealand in the 1990s. The CD is available from: Dominic Perissinotto c/o The Basilica of St Patrick, 47 Adelaide Street, Fremantle, Western Australia. The cost is $A25 plus $A3 postage. The cost to people ordering from the USA would be significantly lower than that with the Aussi dollar currently at around 54c US.   Bob Elms.    
(back) Subject: Re: the Rector's pleasure From: <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:04:56 EST   In a message dated 12/20/00 6:46:04 PM Central Standard Time, quilisma@earthlink.net writes:   << That may well be so today, but it's my understanding it dates from the time when most clergy were second sons of nobility >>...   Cool, sounds good to me.   John  
(back) Subject: Re: the Rector's pleasure From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:34:18 -0600   quilisma@earthlink.net wrote: >=20 > That may well be so today, but it's my understanding it dates from the = time when > most clergy were second sons of nobility and most musicians were common= ers. In > 1786 when the American Episcopal Church broke away, there were, of cour= se, many > Royalist sympathizers (grin).   One of my favorites of these was the Rev. Jonathan Boucher, an eighteenth-century High Churchman who was (if I remember correctly) Rector of Elizabeth, New Jersey. In siding with the monarch he found himself somewhat at odds with his congregation, and indeed his final sermon on the duty of obedience to the king, had to be preached with a loaded pistol held in each hand. After this he fled to England, where he became Rector of St. Mary's, Paddington Green, London -- a regular home from home for American Tories, as the most cursory glance at the memorial tablets on its walls reveals. Meanwhile, the U.S. Government tried him in his absence, sentenced him to death and confiscated all his property. They afterwards discovered that they in confiscating his property they had in fact assumed responsibility for his debts which were over =A320,000 -- an enormous amount in those days. The Rev. Mr. Boucher managed to rack up another =A320,000 worth of debt in England before dying happily in London in 1804. He was a fine scholar and exercised an influence on later High Churchmen like Pusey, Keble and Newman.   John Speller, St. Mark's, St. Louis.  
(back) Subject: Re: origin of Silent Night From: <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:44:58 -0500 (EST)   I don't mean to be rude, but why all the antagonism? The story about "Silent Night" has been around since the song was composed--it's not a sudden revelation.   Seems to me that some on this list are just itching for a fight. For what end?   It's Christmas, for goodness sake. Lighten up, take a chill pill, mellow out, count to 10, and put it to rest already.   If I've overstepped my bounds, I'm sorry.   Neil B.    
(back) Subject: Re: the Rector's pleasure From: <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:52:56 -0500 (EST)   Contracts, Contracts, Contracts. If a church musician is working without one, he/she is a sitting duck (at least I think that's the metaphor I want).   Neil B.    
(back) Subject: Re: Saint Mary the Virgin Church - NYC From: <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:57:10 -0500 (EST)   Again I say, this place ain't worth it. Why would one even entertain the notion of working there only to have his/her head chopped off?   Sure, the organ's nice, the choir's nice (or was), the building is nice, BUT, the leadership isn't.   Neil B    
(back) Subject: Organ in Scent of a Woman From: <Oboe32@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 00:00:31 EST   Hey All, I came in late tonight and saw my dad watching "Scent of a Woman". =   The final scene is in a boarding school hall of some sorts and has an = organ in it. There is some sort of antiphonal in the back of the oddly shaped = room, and what looks to be a large facade on a side. Anyone know where this was shot, what the instrument is, and the spec?   -Pete Isherwood  
(back) Subject: Re: X-post: A Casavant problem!! From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 00:30:03 EST   I think after the Christmas madness is over they will have someone from Casavant come look the organ over, since it's such a "unique" problem.   Bruce ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ Visit Howling Acres at Ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502