PipeChat Digest #1721 - Sunday, December 24, 2000
 
Re: Benaroya Hall organ (tracker) -- basically good for firewood...
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
books for sale
  by "Robert Eversman" <highnote@mhtc.net>
Need Service Manual for Rodgers 322, serial # 30395
  by "Jerrell Kautz" <jkautz@ebicom.net>
Quebec church fire
  by "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com>
Re: Need Service Manual for Rodgers 322, serial # 30395
  by "Noel Jones, A.A.G.O." <gedeckt@usit.net>
Re: Bach
  by "Maynard Cuppy" <cuppy.maynard@mcleodusa.net>
Re: Benaroya Hall organ (tracker) -- basically good for firewood...
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: (tracker-noise) -- basically good for firewood...
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Music List (First Church, Trenton)
  by <Oboe32@aol.com>
lay off the tractors, already (grin)
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
service list - Christmas Eve - St. Matthew's, Newport Beach CA  (X-posted
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: (tracker-noise) -- basically good for firewood...
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Benaroya Hall organ (tracker) -- basically good for firewood...
  by <CVStanford@aol.com>
Listing Service Music
  by <Oboe32@aol.com>
Re: Listing Service Music
  by "Ben Baldus" <bbaldus@voyager.net>
Re: Listing Service Music
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: Benaroya Hall organ (tracker, 1998) -- basically good for firewood...
  by "M. Hackett" <mikehack@u.washington.edu>
Re: lay off the tractors, already (grin)
  by <mts@intergrafix.net>
Re: lay off the tractors, already (grin)
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Benaroya Hall organ (tracker) -- basically good for firewood... From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 07:02:12 -0500   That reminds me: I have a recording of the Compenius (sp?) Organ of = Denmark-   Very old organ -not too big, but dry acoustics and very noisey action. Quiite nice actually, if you like to hear pallets slapping shut and other usual (old) tracker nuances.   Also I have a video some friends took in Sydney Town Hall at that beast = down there. The organist slaps the drawknobs in by the handfull and pulls them out by the *double* handful. I guess it's true: 'it takes two hands to handle a whopper!' He accompanies a visiting opera Diva- but to be honest, an accompaniment on Diesel train horns would sound better than the old Sydney T.H. organ- even tho it was rebuilt some years ago.   Rick      
(back) Subject: books for sale From: "Robert Eversman" <highnote@mhtc.net> Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 07:46:36 -0600   I have and will be putting a few things up for auction on EBAY. One item = of particular interest is the following:     Cavaille-Coll and The Musicians   Two volume set of books by Fenner Douglas. Volumes are in brand new condition. Portions in English and other portions in French. Many illustrations, plates and even some foldouts. Vol 0ne is aprx 1530 pages total for both volumes which are beautifuly hard bound and quite heavy. These books document this great pipe organ builder's first 30 yrs in the profession. Pub by Raleigh: At the Sunbury 1980.   A search under the title or author should take you right there. I think these books are out of print but am not 100% positive.   Also available is a Liber Usualis 1959.   Thanks and Merry Christmas everyone !!!!   Robert Eversman Mineral Point, WI highnote@mhtc.net    
(back) Subject: Need Service Manual for Rodgers 322, serial # 30395 From: "Jerrell Kautz" <jkautz@ebicom.net> Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 08:33:24 -0600   Needed:   Service Manual for Rodgers 322, serial # 30395     If anyone has the manual for this series of old girl, I'm shopping for one.   Rodgers don't have one and so I'm just hosed I guess. Will gladly pay for= a decent copy.   Email me jkautz@theatreorgans.com if you can help me out.      
(back) Subject: Quebec church fire From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 10:43:52 -0500   The church in Quebec which burned is Notre-Dame-de-la-Nativite', located = in Becancour, which is across the St. Lawrence River from Trois-Riviere = (Three Rivers). The organ was Casavant Opus 39 of 1893, installed when the = church was built, truly an historic instrument. It had 2 manuals, 20 stops, 6 couplers, mechanical action. The church burned to the ground, only the stone walls left standing, 4am Dec. 22. From CBC.CA and Quebec Province database compiled by George Nelson. Judy Ollikkala  
(back) Subject: Re: Need Service Manual for Rodgers 322, serial # 30395 From: "Noel Jones, A.A.G.O." <gedeckt@usit.net> Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 11:17:40 -0500       Jerrell Kautz wrote:   > > Rodgers don't have one and so I'm just hosed I guess. Will gladly pay = for a decent copy. > > Email me jkautz@theatreorgans.com if you can help me out. >   Actually Rodgers does have one. Hose the guy who told you otherwise.   The 320 and the 322's were built concurrently, the 322 being the Trio = Deluxe.   If anyone has Rodgers Organ questions and such, the rodgersorgan@egroups.com is a good place to find answers from a variety of Rodgers owners, dealers, tech people and such from around the world, including England, Singapore, New Zealand, Canada and the US.   In exchange for this free commercial about our group, I am sending Mr. Kautz the tech info be is looking for.   -- Noel Jones, AAGO ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Moderator, rodgersorgan@egroups.com www.frogmusic.com/rodgersorgan.html  
(back) Subject: Re: Bach From: "Maynard Cuppy" <cuppy.maynard@mcleodusa.net> Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 11:35:43 -0600   Ed Brown wrote:   > I hope the NYC area folks are listening to 89.9 FM for the all > week Bach Programming. > > At present 8.30pm est there is Karl Richter playing the > Fantasy & Fugue in G minor. I understand there will be more in > very early Sat morn 4 am > > Merry Christmas all!   For those of us far outside the NYC area, WKCR's programming is also available on the web. Just log on to their website and go from there. Of course, you need RealPlayer or simiilar software. RealPlayer Basic is free.   I've been enjoying the Bach Festival at work the last couple of days. = With both directors and their entourage of graduate students "debauching" themselves in Chicago this week at the Midwest Band and Orchestra Clinic, = I get to choose the background music. It's a lot better than the overload = of flute and/or guitar music our local station likes to program...not to mention the monthly (it seems) rendering of the Reynaldo Hahn "Le Bal du Beatrice este" by some French wind group. Love the piece, but they seem = to overdo it a bit.   Anyway, Seasons Greeting to you all. Now I must head for the church to prepare for tomorrow and hope my poor organ hasn't frozen to death.   Maynard   > Ed > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Benaroya Hall organ (tracker) -- basically good for firewood... From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 13:05:05 EST   In a message dated 12/23/00 12:08:43 PM !!!First Boot!!!, = dutchorgan@svs.net writes:   << Very old organ -not too big, but dry acoustics and very noisey action. Quiite nice actually, if you like to hear pallets slapping shut and other usual (old) tracker nuances. >>   It's really a shame to condemn old organs that have noisy action or other problems which could be cured with simple care. For shame!   Bruce ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at Ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: (tracker-noise) -- basically good for firewood... From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 15:33:54 EST   Hey Bruce:   They ought to write Klack Klack, weeze weeze into the music! <GRIN> That is to be totally authentic! There's even a module by Johannes out = there that reproduces these sounds for your EP, ES, D/E, or digital organs. I guess all tracker organs are noisey.   I just couldn't lay off this one any longer! <GRIN>   Anyway Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year!   Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: Music List (First Church, Trenton) From: <Oboe32@aol.com> Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 16:51:36 EST   Happy Holidays All!   Christmas Eve/Advent IV Service Sunday the 24th of December, 2000 11 o'clock in the morning   Organ Music: Swiss Noel, Daquin Noel IX, Daquin The Dance of the Sugar Plum Fairies, Tchaicowsky Festival Toccata on 'Antioch', Reeves   Jazz: Variations on "A Child is Born", Spencer/Fairless   Solos: I Wonder as I Wander, Niles O Holy Night, Adam   Choral: Gesu Bambino, Yon Divinum Mysterium, Plainsong The Snow Lay on the Ground, Sowerby   The Chancel Choir of First Presbyterian Church Peter Isherwood, Director and Organist   Wishing you all a joyous Christmas and a blessed New Year! -The First Presbyterian Church of Trenton  
(back) Subject: lay off the tractors, already (grin) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 13:55:22 -0800   I submit (as I have many times) that the following are ALL discrete instruments, most with their own repertoire:   harpsichord clavichord modern grand piano   tracker pipe organ Barker lever / tubular pneumatic pipe organ electric-action (of whatever incarnation) pipe organ suction reed organ / pressure harmonium Hammond organ electronic (of whatever incarnation) organ   There is a significant body of literature for the harpsichord / clavichord; another for the modern grand piano.   There is a significant body of literature for the tracker organ (EVERYTHING up to the 19th century); another for the Barker lever organ (the 19th century); a largely-unexplored body of literature for the reed organ / harmonium (mostly 19th and 20th century); another for the Hammond organ (jazz, pop, rock, gospel, etc.)   What we FIND is that there is NOT a significant body of literature that was written for the electric-action pipe organ, and virtually NO literature that was written for the electronic organ.   Before you fire up your flame-throwers, yes, I'm aware of American and English compositions for the organ, 1900-2000, which can be PLAYED on electric action organs; some of the later compositions are perhaps easier to play with a modern combination action, but there are still Barker lever and pneumatic-action organs with a minimum of registrational aids that can play them quite handily.   Tracker is an ACTION ... nothing more, nothing less. A WELL-REGULATED tracker is no more noisy than any other kind of organ. Some of the eclectic trackers built in the 20th and 21st centuries CAN encompass MOST of the literature written for the tracker AND Barker lever organs of the 19th and 20th centuries.   There are situations where the use of electric action is necessary; there are situations where the use of an electronic substitute is necessary -- both usually having to do with available space and/or economics. But I will continue to plead for folks to look at the LITERATURE and what IT was written for.   I have this recurring fantasy every time I play a piece of organ literature on Le Grand Hammond: Bach, Buxtehude, Franck or Couperin is standing beside the console, fingers in ears, with an incredulous look on his face (grin).   Cheers,   Bud            
(back) Subject: service list - Christmas Eve - St. Matthew's, Newport Beach CA (X-posted) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 14:03:49 -0800   Voluntary - Puer natus est - Titcomb Processional - O Come, All Ye Faithful Introit - Puer natus est - Willan Kyrie - Mass IX (Gregorian) Gloria - Scottish Chant Gradual - Viderunt - Willan Alleluia - Dominus dixit - Willan Carol Before the Gospel - Angels We Have Heard on High Carol After the Gospel - Hark! The Herald Angels Sing Anthem - Before the Heavens Were Spread Abroad - Horatio Parker Doxology - Old 100th Sanctus - Mass IX (Gregorian) Amen - Mass IX (Gregorian) Agnus - Mass IX (Gregorian) Communion - In splendoribus - Willan Carols During Communion O Little Town of Bethlehem Of the Father's Love Begotten Silent Night Recessional - Joy to the World Orison - Away in a Manger Anthem (replacing the Voluntary) - Awakening Chorus - Gabriel (!) (grin) - just for fun   A blessed Christ-Mass to all!   Cheers,   Bud        
(back) Subject: Re: (tracker-noise) -- basically good for firewood... From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 18:33:27 EST   In a message dated 12/23/00 8:34:27 PM !!!First Boot!!!, = RonSeverin@aol.com writes:   << There's even a module by Johannes out there that reproduces these sounds for your EP, ES, D/E, or digital organs. I guess all tracker organs are noisey. >>   Too bad they haven't come up with one to make pleasant organ-like = sounds!!! ;-)   Bruce ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at Ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: Benaroya Hall organ (tracker) -- basically good for firewood... From: <CVStanford@aol.com> Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 23:49:19 EST   ECHO......   never a desired result...   I thought!!!!!!  
(back) Subject: Listing Service Music From: <Oboe32@aol.com> Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 23:50:15 EST   Hey All, I noticed how there have been less posts and some people talking = of not posting service music as it isn't what we're about on the list. I disagree with not being about that music also! We are more than just solo players, we accompany on these anthems, and although it is a chat list for =   organ, it is also a chat for organists. I, for one, like reading = everyone's anthems and hymns and service music. I like to compare my services and get =   new ideas. Most of us are choir directors, as well as organists, as well = as accompanists. So for those of you who have the moment, please do post your =   lists. I love reading them!   Happy Holidays...Pete Isherwood  
(back) Subject: Re: Listing Service Music From: "Ben Baldus" <bbaldus@voyager.net> Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 00:42:35 -0500   Amen. So do I.   Ben Baldus   Oboe32@aol.com wrote:   > Hey All, > I noticed how there have been less posts and some people talking = of > not posting service music as it isn't what we're about on the list. I > disagree with not being about that music also! We are more than just = solo > players, we accompany on these anthems, and although it is a chat list = for > organ, it is also a chat for organists. I, for one, like reading = everyone's > anthems and hymns and service music. I like to compare my services and = get > new ideas. Most of us are choir directors, as well as organists, as well = as > accompanists. So for those of you who have the moment, please do post = your > lists. I love reading them! > > Happy Holidays...Pete Isherwood > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Listing Service Music From: <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 01:06:09 EST   In a message dated 12/23/00 10:51:48 PM Central Standard Time, = Oboe32@aol.com writes:   << I, for one, like reading everyone's anthems and hymns and service music. I like to compare my services and = get new ideas. Most of us are choir directors, as well as organists >>     I agree!   Here's what we are doing tomorrow:   Christmas Eve Morning Service (ADVENT IV)   Festival of Nine Lessons and Carols 10:00 AM   Prelude: A Christmas Pastoral Bertram Luard Selby Carol: Once in Royal David's City IRBY Bidding Carol: O Little Town of Bethlehem ST. LOUIS Lesson I Carol: Comfort, Comfort Now FREU DICH SEHR Lesson II Carol: Of the Father's Love Begotten DIVINUM MYSTERIUM Lesson III Carol: It Came Upon A Midnight Clear CAROL Lesson IV Carol: Lo, How a Rose is Blooming ES IST EIN ROS Lesson V Carol: Let All Mortal Flesh PICARDY Lesson VI Carol: Away in A Manger AWAY IN A MANGER Lesson VII Carol: The First Noel THE FIRST NOEL Lesson VIII Carol: Hark The Herald Angels Sing MENDELSSOHN Lesson IX Carol: O, Come, All Ye Faithful ADESTE FIDELES Prayers Benediction Carol: Joy to the World ANTIOCH Postlude: From Heaven Above to Earth I Come -- J.S. BACH   CANDLELIGHT SERVICE -- 5:00 PM -- Setting II LBW   Prelude: Of the Father's Love Begotten Wilbur Held Fantasia on ADESTE FIDELES Bruce Neswick Confession/Absolution Carol: O, Come, All Ye Faithful ADESTE FIDELES Kyrie Gloria Lesson Psalm Lesson TONE I Alleluia Gospel Anthem: A Carol John Rutter Sermon Carol: The First Noel THE FIRST NOEL Prayers Creed Peace Offertory: improvisation on carols Doxology: OLD HUNDREDTH The Great Thanksgiving Sanctus The Consecration Agnus Dei Carols during Eucharist: Away in a Manger AWAY IN A MANGER Angels, From the Realms REGENT SQUARE What Child is This GREENSLEEVES It Came Upon a Midnight Clear CAROL Carol: Joy to the World Benediction Carol: Silent Night STILLE NACHT Postlude: Chorale Prelude on "Silent Night" -- Samuel Barber =   John A. Gambill, Jr. Organist/Choirmaster Oak Cliff Lutheran Church (ELCA) Dallas, Texas    
(back) Subject: Re: Benaroya Hall organ (tracker, 1998) -- basically good for firewood... From: "M. Hackett" <mikehack@u.washington.edu> Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 22:14:36 -0800 (PST)     The Benaroya organ is a 1998 FISK (Boston, MA?).   It could easily deserve to have half of its stops removed, as they just sound awful. The hall design makes the tracker action very noticable -- somthing that most church halls mask (very well).   Myself I could think of a dozen fixes, but as the social and economic structure cassifies me as a non person that does not exist -- there is not a lot I can do.   If it were converted to a ROBERT-HOPE-JONES electric design, with the necessary theatre organ attachments -- the organ could be saved.   The fixed console really kills good judements on stop / rank choices.   Those running the Benaroy Hall, well how should I put it -- they come from a upper middle class background that says that if an organ costs 2mil .... that it must be good. [Even if it sounds wrong!]   The WERLITZER @ SEATTLE Paramount is a much better instrument, in spite of its 85% health. [All pipes play, not all other gizmoes do..., and the lack of repair time the instrument has had -- and it needs at least 300 hours of fixing.]   MP   PS: I have not come accross an old organ (pre 1950) that has had any outstanding flaw... [Tracker or Hope-Jones]   > << Very old organ -not too big, but dry acoustics and very noisey = action. > Quiite nice actually, if you like to hear pallets slapping shut and = other > usual (old) tracker nuances. >> > > It's really a shame to condemn old organs that have noisy action or = other > problems which could be cured with simple care. For shame!                  
(back) Subject: Re: lay off the tractors, already (grin) From: <mts@intergrafix.net> Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 06:17:17 GMT   > I have this recurring fantasy every time I play a piece of organ > literature on Le Grand Hammond: Bach, Buxtehude, Franck or Couperin is > standing beside the console, fingers in ears, with an incredulous look > on his face (grin).     How true! I find that even though I am accomplished in classical organ = works of all periods and played all actions of organs, I cannot get classical = results satisfactory to my ears through electronic instruments. Currently, I own = an 1830's pipe organ, a Mason-Hamlin Church Reed organ, and have access to a = fine Allen and a brand new Rodgers. For some inexplicable reason, the latter = two lose the feel of the music. THEY ARE FINE INSTRUMENTS! Just the literature = has not come about for them yet. The Mason Hamlin is suprisingly versatile, for a reed organ it can do = a lot. For reference, it is a style 86. I agree with a few postings so far: LITERATURE!! The piper alone can animate Weidor's organ symphony or Bach's =   Little Fugue in G Minor, and the reeds are great for early American tunes. = I've found that the pipe organ can pretty much do it all, but would I do = without the pipe, reed, or electric? Certainly not. They all have purpose. (And I can really cook with a quartet on a vintage B-3 or an A-100 :-) On trackers: I have built two that are perfectly regulated and = silent. There are noisy ones, but the well regulated and designed trackers are = artworks in themselves, like all pipe organs built with taste. Happy Holidays everyone, now fire up those flamethrowers on this = pipe- crazy old Tea-Earl-Grey-Drinking Ice-Hockey-playing organbuilding = organist--I have some snow and ice on my walk by the shoppe still so fire when = ready......   Take Care Chris Malocheski    
(back) Subject: Re: lay off the tractors, already (grin) From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 15:45:26 +0800   This is Post no.2 today on this topic. Are we reviving the old pipe versus electronic argument again???? I hope not! Noone will win that argument as neither side will admit the other has a case and many arguments on both sides show the poster is biassed and really doesn't know what he is talking about!! Find something else to discuss please! Bob Elms.   mts@intergrafix.net wrote: > > > I have this recurring fantasy every time I play a piece of organ > > literature on Le Grand Hammond: Bach, Buxtehude, Franck or Couperin is > > standing beside the console, fingers in ears, with an incredulous look > > on his face (grin). > > How true! I find that even though I am accomplished in classical organ = works of > all periods and played all actions of organs, I cannot get classical = results > satisfactory to my ears through electronic instruments.