PipeChat Digest #1722 - Sunday, December 24, 2000
 
Thank you for the message
  by "Hans-Dieter Karras" <hans@hdkarras.de>
Re: Benaroya Hall organ (tracker) -- basically good forfirewood...
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
worms
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Handbells
  by "Jerald Marshall" <marshallduet@ameritech.net>
Trackers good for firewood only? Careful what you say!
  by <KriderSM@aol.com>
Re: Benaroya Hall organ (tracker) -- basically good forfirewood...
  by "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com>
Re: Benaroya Hall organ (tracker, 1998) -- basically good for firewood...
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Benaroya Hall organ (tracker) -- basically good forfirewood...
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Respecting the Builder's Art (Fisk)
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: Benaroya Hall organ (tracker) -- basically good forfirewood...
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Borge
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Benaroya Hall organ (tracker) -- basically good forfirewood...
  by "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com>
My Christmas present
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
 

(back) Subject: Thank you for the message From: "Hans-Dieter Karras" <hans@hdkarras.de> Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 13:15:52 +0100   Danke fuer die mail, ich werde so bald als moeglich antworten. Thank you for the message, answering comes soon as possible. Hans-Dieter Karras  
(back) Subject: Re: Benaroya Hall organ (tracker) -- basically good forfirewood... From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 07:16:04 -0500   Hi Bruce-   I was in no way condemning old tracker instruments because of noisey actions. I should have added in my post that 'noisey' actions add = charactor to the instrument- especially one that is a century-or-more old. Having played and serviced a few and heard many, I do indeed enjoy = music from trackers.   (bows seven times to the ground) Please except my apologies.   Rick      
(back) Subject: worms From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 07:40:19 -0500   Dear Listers-   I seem to have opened a can of worms on my post about noisey trackers. = My aoplogies to all for any misconstrued comments about tracker instruments. The one item mentioned was a platter-recording I have of a very old instrument that +ACo-just happened+ACo- to be a little noisey- actually, I = rather enjoy its charactor. No judgement from me reagrding trackers, just an observation on this particular instrument. I would rather hear something like the afore-mentioned post than = +ACo-real+ACo- noise from a Hammond Piper or a Lowery Teeny Weeny.   I shall now thrash my penetant-self ........and then listen to some = Jesse Crawford.   Merry Christmas and Happy Hannikuh....and don't eat too much. +ADw-G+AD4-   Rick      
(back) Subject: Handbells From: "Jerald Marshall" <marshallduet@ameritech.net> Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 08:51:48 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0017_01C06D86.C0458280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   In the past on other organ chats there has been a listing to the =3D www.oberlinger.com/usa. webpage featuring E-mail postcards of pipe =3D organs and organ music for Christmas. The question I have is, is there a = =3D website for handbell's and handbell music for E-mail? = =3D = =3D = =3D I sure hope that everyone has a Blessed Christmas and =3D Happy of Holidays, = =3D Yours, Jerry Marshall =3D20   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0017_01C06D86.C0458280 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4308.2900" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>In the past on other organ chats = there =3D has been a=3D20 listing to the <A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://www.oberlinger.com/usa">www.oberlinger.com/usa</A>. =3D webpage=3D20 featuring E-mail postcards&nbsp;of pipe organs&nbsp;and organ =3D music&nbsp;for=3D20 Christmas. The question I have is, is there a website for handbell's and = =3D   handbell=3D20 music&nbsp;for&nbsp;E-mail?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs= =3D p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp= =3D ;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;= =3D &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&= =3D nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n= =3D bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb= =3D sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs= =3D p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp= =3D ;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;= =3D &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&= =3D nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n= =3D bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb= =3D sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs= =3D p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp= =3D ;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;= =3D &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=3D20 I sure hope that everyone has a Blessed Christmas and&nbsp;Happy=3D20 of&nbsp;Holidays,&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n= =3D bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb= =3D sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs= =3D p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp= =3D ;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;= =3D &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&= =3D nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=3D20 Yours, Jerry Marshall&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=3D20 </FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0017_01C06D86.C0458280--    
(back) Subject: Trackers good for firewood only? Careful what you say! From: <KriderSM@aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 10:11:41 EST     --part1_fb.f6e3606.27776c2d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   >Hey Folks,   Be careful what you say. There are impressionable, irresponsible people = out there who might just take you seriously!   In Quebec, "Our Lady of the Nativity" Roman Catholic Church with a = Casavant (a tracker?) burned to the ground. Let's hope that angered pipechatters didn't take seriously our off-hand comments posted on this chatline.   Stan Krider </HTML>   --part1_fb.f6e3606.27776c2d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><IMG = SRC=3D"http://cbc.ca/gfx/blank.gif" WIDTH=3D"1" HEIGHT=3D"1" = BORDER=3D"0">Hey Folks, <BR> <BR>Be careful what you say. There are impressionable, irresponsible = people out <BR>there who might just take you seriously! <BR> <BR>In Quebec, <FONT SIZE=3D2>"Our Lady of the Nativity" Roman Catholic = Church with a Casavant <BR>(a tracker?) burned to the ground. Let's hope = that angered pipechatters <BR>didn't take seriously our off-hand comments = posted on this chatline. <BR> <BR>Stan Krider <BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR></FONT> </HTML>   --part1_fb.f6e3606.27776c2d_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Benaroya Hall organ (tracker) -- basically good forfirewood... From: "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 08:08:22 -0800 (PST)   First of all folks, it is not the instrument from where the music comes, but rather the person playing. When the instrument becomes a hinderance to comfortable music-making, then the instrument really proves itself to be inadequate. Such is the case with many trackers where the actions is uneven (heavier in the bottom register of the keyboard and feather light inthe upper part, differences in action from manual to manual, HEAVY touch when coupled, etc.).Secondly, in the case of concert hall instruments, the Meyerson Hall (Dallas)Fisk, while sounding impressive as a solo instrument, is a disastor as an ensemble instrument: It is too far from the stage, thereby preventing any real communication between organist, conductor and orchestra, there is no way for the organist to hear the orchestra clearly from the console and the organ frequently buries the symphony. Organists hardly play together with precision with the orchestra. Trackers don't belong in a concert hall. Unfortunately, the organists who et themselves on selection committees to choose concert hall instruments have hardly any of no experience playing with orchestras and give in to their personal preferences rather than thinking on real musical, practical terms about what is best fot the concert hall. What has proven to be best is an electric action instrument with a movable console. JW --- VEAGUE <dutchorgan@svs.net> wrote: > Hi Bruce- > > I was in no way condemning old tracker > instruments because of noisey > actions. I should have added in my post that > 'noisey' actions add charactor > to the instrument- especially one that is a > century-or-more old. > Having played and serviced a few and heard many, > I do indeed enjoy music > from trackers. > > (bows seven times to the ground) Please except my > apologies. > > Rick > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: Benaroya Hall organ (tracker, 1998) -- basically good for firewood... From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 15:30:35 EST   In a message dated 12/24/00 6:15:24 AM !!!First Boot!!!, mikehack@u.washington.edu writes:   << t could easily deserve to have half of its stops removed, as they just sound awful. The hall design makes the tracker action very noticable -- somthing that most church halls mask (very well). (snip) If it were converted to a ROBERT-HOPE-JONES electric design, with the necessary theatre organ attachments -- the organ could be saved. The fixed console really kills good judements on stop / rank choices. >>   Gee! First to say that the Fisk sounds horrible, and then to say it = could be improved Hope-Jones style sort of flushes your credibility down the toilet! These styles of organ are totally unrelated, and bear no resemblance to each other, except that they both have keys!   The fixed console may necessitate the organist needing to listen to the = organ while someone else plays, but having a detached console off to one side in = a pit doesn't do much for balancing either. There are trade-offs. I would =   much rather compromise something that improves the organ, rather than = making compromises that detract from the instrument and may or may not prove to = be convenient to various organists. Fisk is not my builder of preference, = but I've never heard one as foul as a Hope-Jones. A WurliTzer or Barton I = have enjoyed hearing; nay to H-J!!   Bruce ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at Ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: Benaroya Hall organ (tracker) -- basically good forfirewood... From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 15:50:43 EST   dutchorgan@svs.net (VEAGUE) wrote:   <>   Rick, No apology necessary. I really wish that, not only for the sake of discussion and feedback to the builders, that people would honestly = critique organs. I have never heard a Fisk that I really liked. As much as I was =   taken with the one atWellesley College, it was, for the most part, loud = and harsh. This has nothing to do with the temperament, in fact, the purity probably helped. Other Fisks we have heard at OHS conventions include another in Boston and another in New Haven all suffered from the same = malady. I've also heard similar reports from friends who have heard others, = Houston Palmer Church f''rinstance. I am waiting with bated breath for the one to arrive in Gainesville to see if we get another blastoid instrument. I really would like to hear some honest, unbiased, objective and reasonable reviews of instruments.   Bruce ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at Ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Respecting the Builder's Art (Fisk) From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 15:54:47 EST   Ladies and Gentlemen of the List:   I have neither seen nor heard the Benaroya Hall pipe organ, but I am aware =   that the instrument has received various responses, in various circles, = under the hands of various organists.   For the few Leonardo canvasas that we revere, there were thousands of sketches and first attempts discarded. For every revered concert hall standing, there were dozens razed because they simply didn't cut the = mustard. When asked which he thought was his best pipe organ, Mr. Skinner was said = to have replied, "I haven't built it yet."   We must remember that the organ in Benaroya Hall, like all pipe organs or other musical instruments, begins with a "vision." Unfortunately, that vision is a sound in the builder's head, and cannot be tested. The = luthier hopes that THIS violin will equal or surpass the last one in resonance and =   warmth, but I assure you that there were abandoned projects in the = Cremonese dumpster behind Antonio Stradivari's workshop.   Building an organ for a room that has not been built is difficult; = voicing and finishing it under pressure is taxing. And building and instrument = which is literally thousands of separate instruments, selectable at the whim of = the performer, leaves the organ open to both grand use and gross misuse. I = have sat with builders at concerts, and heard them say, "That's not the organ I =   voiced! What's the artist doing? It sounds AWFUL!"   I recently revoiced a large instrument in New York City, of 85 ranks. Because of very poor acoustics, inexcusable placement, and an overpacked chamber, several previous attempts had been made, on a piecemeal basis, to =   make it reach the room, coalesce, and make musical sense without change = the essential nature of the design, which was a large oratorio organ capable = of playing literature as well as large anthems and choral services.   The dedicatory recital series was a revelation. Three organists, all of = them fine artists, all sensitive musicians, all respected. I heard three different organs. There are characteristics of my voicing and ensemble = that remained undeniably present, but the way each chose to mix the sonic = paints from the pallette was so varied that it amazed me. One man used every = color reed and solo effect in the organ, but never touched the high-pressure Bombarde chorus and V-VII Mixture on 8" wind, while another used the organ =   differently for each body of literature, staying STRICTLY to urtext registration. Another, most familiar with the organ, showed off his most favorite stops, took the organ through its paces, but left out some things =   which totally surprised me.   Pipe organs are works of art, used over time, to (re)create art created by =   others. There are also many different instruments. I hope some day to = hear, play, and get a tour of the Fisk at Benaroya, since I have had the same pleasure with some of their other works, both large and small, each of = which impressed me differently. What we CAN be assured of is that they made = every effort they could, under the circumstances, to build an instrument worthy = of their nameplate.   Sebastian Matthaus Gluck New York City  
(back) Subject: Re: Benaroya Hall organ (tracker) -- basically good forfirewood... From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 16:13:44 EST   In a message dated 12/24/00 4:09:14 PM !!!First Boot!!!, jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com writes:   << First of all folks, it is not the instrument from where the music = comes, but rather the person playing. When the instrument becomes a hinderance = to comfortable music-making, then the instrument really proves itself to be inadequate. >>   Music is the result of interaction BETWEEN the muscian and the instrument. = I've heard far too many wonderful instruments played poorly and wretched instruments played wonderfully to agree with the above statement. There are, unfortunatley, inadequate instruments as well as players. It's even =   possible to be musical on an electronic!     <<Such is the case with many trackers where the actions is uneven (heavier = in the bottom register of the keyboard and feather light in the upper part, differences in action from manual to manual, HEAVY touch when coupled, etc.).>>   Not so again! Weekly I hear some of the most musical playing by our organist on one of the worst actions I've ever played. The action may = make it more difficult to be musical, but a musician cannot be prevented from being musical.     <<Secondly, in the case of concert hall instruments, the Meyerson Hall (Dallas)Fisk, while sounding impressive as a solo instrument, is a = disastor as an ensemble instrument: It is too far from the stage, thereby preventing any real communication between organist, conductor and orchestra, there is no way for the = organist to hear the orchestra clearly from the console and the organ frequently buries = the symphony.   Sorry.... too many generalizations here. NO ONE, save the conductor and = the audience, gets to hear the orchestra balanced. As a cellist, I know this = for a fact. The placement may not be ideal, but what is ideal for a concert venue. If the organ had been EP, the console would be moveable anywhere convenient to the orchestra, and the pipes would probably have been nicely =   tucked away in chambers. It is possible to balance the organ and = orchestra, and, as well, to stay together. The Meyerson Fisk, as well as the one in =   Seattle, have had unfortunate reviews. Part of the problem is trying to = be so eclectic that the instrument can do neither job well. In addition, = some of the reviews of playing have left doubt as the the ego-checks on some organists.   <<Organists hardly play together with precision with the orchestra. >>   Certainly SOME do. I've never heard a performance of organ and orchestra =   with such problems. It depends upon the artists at work.     << Trackers don't belong in a concert hall. Unfortunately, the organists = who get themselves on selection committees to choose concert hall instruments have hardly any if no experience playing with orchestras and give in to = their personal preferences rather than thinking on real musical, practical terms =   about what is best fo the concert hall.>>   What a crock of hooey! Mechanical action organs were successfully used = in concert halls before electriction came on the scene. Electric action = will not cure an insensitive performer, nor will it keep and organ from being = too loud, or from being a good ensemble instrument and lousy solo instrument = or vice versa.     << What has proven to be best is an electric action instrument with a = movable console. >>   Sorry, Charlie!!! No cigar. Add a moveable console to an instrument that = is too loud or poorly placed, and sit an insensitive performer on the bench = and you have the SAME problems as with an identical tracker instrument. Further, by adding a moveable console, pipe placement is thus freed to further complicate the situation. Your console may be closer to the orchestra now, but the pipes may be buried under the state, or in the = attic drooling out through tone chutes, or even in a case in the exact position = as the tracker which you blame for all of the ills of poor playing and poor organ building. There is no one right way to provide an instrument for a concert venue. On the other hand, there may be several excellent ways to solve the various problems and provide an instrument using mechanical, electro-pneumatic, or totally electric, or even tubular pneumatic action. = It's up to the builder to assess the situation and provide a successful solution. Unfortunately, all too often politics are involved which compromise the builder's ability to offer the best work.   Bruce ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at Ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Borge From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 17:07:26 -0500   Anyone notice the passing of Victor Borge? He was in his early 90's. I saw the segment on +ACI-Sunday Morning+ACI- channel 8 Indianapolis = today.   Ever since a young snot, I always enjoyed when Mr. Borge was on tv with = his comic renditions.   I for one will miss him -and his music.   Rick      
(back) Subject: Re: Benaroya Hall organ (tracker) -- basically good forfirewood... From: "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 17:49:25 -0800 (PST)   Dear Bruce, You should know that I have four friends who are members of the Dallas Symphony. They share my opinion. Secondly, I stress that an electric action MOVABLE console on the stage is far more preferable than a tracker action console 50 feet above the stage. I think I made it clear that the player can make a bad instrument sound better. Bad actions, in this case I use bad tracker actions, don't make for comfortable music making. Takes all the fun away! When you play your first concert with orchestra, let us know and we will be curious to hear if the experience changed your perspective. JW   --- Cremona502@cs.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/24/00 4:09:14 PM !!!First > Boot!!!, > jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com writes: > > << First of all folks, it is not the instrument from > where the music comes, > but rather the person playing. When the instrument > becomes a hinderance to > comfortable music-making, then the instrument really > proves itself to be > inadequate. >> > > Music is the result of interaction BETWEEN the > muscian and the instrument. > I've heard far too many wonderful instruments played > poorly and wretched > instruments played wonderfully to agree with the > above statement. There > are, unfortunatley, inadequate instruments as well > as players. It's even > possible to be musical on an electronic! > > > <<Such is the case with many trackers where the > actions is uneven (heavier in > the bottom register of the keyboard and feather > light in the upper part, > differences in action from manual to manual, HEAVY > touch when coupled, > etc.).>> > > Not so again! Weekly I hear some of the most > musical playing by our > organist on one of the worst actions I've ever > played. The action may make > it more difficult to be musical, but a musician > cannot be prevented from > being musical. > > > <<Secondly, in the case of concert hall instruments, > the Meyerson Hall > (Dallas)Fisk, while sounding impressive as a solo > instrument, is a disastor > as an ensemble instrument: > It is too far from the stage, thereby preventing > any real communication > between organist, conductor and orchestra, there is > no way for the organist > to hear > the orchestra clearly from the console and the > organ frequently buries the > symphony. > > Sorry.... too many generalizations here. NO ONE, > save the conductor and the > audience, gets to hear the orchestra balanced. As a > cellist, I know this for > a fact. The placement may not be ideal, but what > is ideal for a concert > venue. If the organ had been EP, the console would > be moveable anywhere > convenient to the orchestra, and the pipes would > probably have been nicely > tucked away in chambers. It is possible to balance > the organ and orchestra, > and, as well, to stay together. The Meyerson Fisk, > as well as the one in > Seattle, have had unfortunate reviews. Part of the > problem is trying to be > so eclectic that the instrument can do neither job > well. In addition, some > of the reviews of playing have left doubt as the the > ego-checks on some > organists. > > <<Organists hardly play together with precision with > the orchestra. >> > > Certainly SOME do. I've never heard a performance > of organ and orchestra > with such problems. It depends upon the artists at > work. > > > << Trackers don't belong in a concert hall. > Unfortunately, the organists who > get themselves on selection committees to choose > concert hall instruments > have hardly any if no experience playing with > orchestras and give in to their > personal preferences rather than thinking on real > musical, practical terms > about what is best fo the concert hall.>> > > What a crock of hooey! Mechanical action organs > were successfully used in > concert halls before electriction came on the scene. > Electric action will > not cure an insensitive performer, nor will it keep > and organ from being too > loud, or from being a good ensemble instrument and > lousy solo instrument or > vice versa. > > > << What has proven to be best is an electric action > instrument with a movable > console. > >> > > Sorry, Charlie!!! No cigar. Add a moveable console > to an instrument that is > too loud or poorly placed, and sit an insensitive > performer on the bench and > you have the SAME problems as with an identical > tracker instrument. > Further, by adding a moveable console, pipe > placement is thus freed to > further complicate the situation. Your console may > be closer to the > orchestra now, but the pipes may be buried under the > state, or in the attic > drooling out through tone chutes, or even in a case > in the exact position as > the tracker which you blame for all of the ills of > poor playing and poor > organ building. There is no one right way to > provide an instrument for a > concert venue. On the other hand, there may be > several excellent ways to > solve the various problems and provide an instrument > using mechanical, > electro-pneumatic, or totally electric, or even > tubular pneumatic action. > It's up to the builder to assess the situation and > provide a successful > solution. Unfortunately, all too often politics are > involved which > compromise the builder's ability to offer the best > work. > > Bruce ~ Cremona502@cs.com > with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ > ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" > Visit Howling Acres at Ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502 > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: My Christmas present From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 22:50:30 -0600   Hey, Bruce - I was just studying (my reverie having been improved by an unusually good Christmas Eve Eucharist service and a couple of fairly = heavy eggnogs) and wondering how you were going to fit that modified David Moore from First Presbyterian (of course, with an added second manual and the accoutrements and condiments to go with it) into the stocking hung on my fireplace. Should I go ahead tonight and get Rick to move my desk from = the corner where I want the organ to sit?   Merry Christmas to you and the dawgs!   Glenda, Rick, Zack, Mac, Gretchen and Gidget