PipeChat Digest #1726 - Wednesday, December 27, 2000
 
Fw: Benaroya Hall organ (tracker) -- basically good forfirewood...
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
USB Midi Interface Question
  by "Noel Jones, A.A.G.O." <gedeckt@usit.net>
Re: was Benaroya Hall organ (tracker) -- reality check?
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: Benaroya Hall organ (tracker) -- basically good forfirewood...
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Christmas Day Recital
  by "Stephen Williams" <stepwill@enter.net>
Sir Richard Terry - info please
  by "Steven Gibbs" <sgibbs@guernsey.net>
Re: Christmas Day Recital
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
National Cathedral Christmas Service
  by "David Carter" <david_n_carter@hotmail.com>
Re: Benaroya Hall organ (tracker, 1998) -- basically good for firewood...
  by "WDBabcock" <WDBabcock@email.msn.com>
RE: Benaroya Hall organ (tracker, 1998) -- basically good for firewood...
  by <Wurlibird1@aol.com>
my daughter's gift to me
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Re: Benaroya Hall organ (tracker, 1998) -- basically good for firewood...
  by "WDBabcock" <WDBabcock@email.msn.com>
Re: Anderson College
  by <JerryM8319@aol.com>
RE: Anderson College
  by <Wurlibird1@aol.com>
Re: Benaroya Hall organ (tracker, 1998) -- basically good for firewood...
  by <ManderUSA@aol.com>
Re: Christmas Day Recital
  by <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
A cynical question
  by <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: was Benaroya Hall organ (tracker) -- reality check?
  by "M. Hackett" <mikehack@u.washington.edu>
C-C, trackers, Barker lever, etc.
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Skinner book on organs clairification...
  by "M. Hackett" <mikehack@u.washington.edu>
 

(back) Subject: Fw: Benaroya Hall organ (tracker) -- basically good forfirewood... From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 07:57:41 -0500   Perhaps it was the home-video, but the organs' sound was very shrill and screachy. I also have a cassette by Mr. Robert Goode playing the Sydney organ. Nice selections played well, but the instrument still sounds a bit sterile: No strings or tremulant. I had a platter -The Grand One- back in the 70's by = an artist whose name escapes me now (he was a theatre organist in Oz), and he played a Rakmaninoff (sp?) piece showing the 64' Trombone. A good platter = by Concert Recording.   Is the glockenspiel mechanical or pneumatic?   Rick     ----- Original Message ----- From: Brett Freer <brett@rhapsody.com.au> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2000 4:12 AM Subject: RE: Benaroya Hall organ (tracker) -- basically good = forfirewood...       >> Also I have a video some friends took in Sydney Town Hall at that beast down >> there ... but to be honest, an accompaniment on Diesel train horns would >> sound better than the old Sydney T.H. organ- even tho it was rebuilt some years ago. >> >>Rick   - A joke, right?   Brett Freer Organist Wesley Mission Sydney     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: USB Midi Interface Question From: "Noel Jones, A.A.G.O." <gedeckt@usit.net> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 09:38:05 -0500   A member of Harpsichord_Roland@egroups has found a problem using a USB interface from a computer for sequencing music.   Has anyone else had a problem with note lengths being improperly recorded using a USB interface rather than a Serial or Parallel Midi interface on an organ or keyboard? Every other note or so is unnaturally shortened, when playing back music recorded on the instrument as well as downloaded files. There is no problem when a free-standing sequencer is used, so the instrument is not at fault.   The particular interface in use is the Roland UM-2.   Your comments about USB would be appreciated.     Noel Jones, AAGO ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Moderator, rodgersorgan@egroups.com www.frogmusic.com/rodgersorgan.html  
(back) Subject: Re: was Benaroya Hall organ (tracker) -- reality check? From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 22:43:50 +0800   CC was not tracker. B.E.   "M. Hackett" wrote: > > I am not aginst trackers -- but sometimes their may be little choice to = do a technology upgrade to fix fundamental design flaws. > > > Fritts (Trackers), Cav-Coll, Casavant, Werli, Morton, etc ... > all make logical sence when optimised in their original settings. > > MP >    
(back) Subject: Re: Benaroya Hall organ (tracker) -- basically good forfirewood... From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 22:50:34 +0800   I would hope it was a joke. If not the writer has little knowledge of the STH organ. B.E.   Brett Freer wrote: > > > an accompaniment on Diesel train horns > would sound better than the old Sydney T.H. organ- even tho it was = rebuilt some years ago. > >> > >>Rick > > - A joke, right? > > Brett Freer > Organist > Wesley Mission Sydney > >    
(back) Subject: Christmas Day Recital From: "Stephen Williams" <stepwill@enter.net> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 10:40:42 -0500   Carlo Pietroniro wrote . . .   >Way to go Stephen!!!! It's nice to see someone else who plays "Christmas" by >Dethier. Do you play all of it, or do you cut it down?   Hi Carlo . . . was also nice to hear things went wonderfully well at your Christmas Eve masses. Curious to know which of the Noels you played before mass.   I do play all of the Dethier. But boy, what a stinker of a piece!! The effect is wonderful, and it's always well received, but there are moments where there's lots o' prayin going on, like the triplets at the speed of light, and the solo clarinet bit. If I were to cut it down, I would = probably leave out the trio variation (which I adore), and perhaps the clarinet and flute cadenza section. Otherwise, it's all too good to pass up, and took entirely to long to learn to not play it.   There were a few folks who enquired about the date (?????) and time of the event. Well, Christmas Day is generally the 25th of December (hehehe), and the time was 3:00 in the afternoon. About 60 folks came . . . had goodies afterward that everyone stayed for . . was truly a delightful time.   All the best to you and yours, Stephen          
(back) Subject: Sir Richard Terry - info please From: "Steven Gibbs" <sgibbs@guernsey.net> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 15:37:18 +0000     Looking out into the far reaches of my family tree I find Richard Runciman Terry, grandson of my great-great-grandfather Walter Runciman (coastguard of Cresswell, Northumberland) whom I believe to be Sir Richard Terry, first Master of Music at Westminster Cathedral,   Please can anyone give Sir Richard's father's name, confirm his mother was Marion Runciman, and offer details of his marriage and childen?   Thank you for your help.   Regards, Steven Gibbs, Guernsey  
(back) Subject: Re: Christmas Day Recital From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 11:14:01 -0500   Stephen,   I had the books of Noels by D'Aquin, Balbastre, and Dandrieu on the music rack, and just picked at random. How long does it take you to play the Dethier straight through? For me, using all the proper tempos (tempi), it takes a little over 11 minutes.   Carlo    
(back) Subject: National Cathedral Christmas Service From: "David Carter" <david_n_carter@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 16:44:43   I watched the Christmas morning service from the National Cathedral. For = the Offertory, the choir performed a (supposedly) new work by Douglas Major, which spoke about the shepherd boy who wasn't able to go and see the baby Jesus. Does anyone out there know if this has been published yet?   Thanks! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Benaroya Hall organ (tracker, 1998) -- basically good for firewood... From: "WDBabcock" <WDBabcock@email.msn.com> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 11:44:14 -0600     William D. "Bill" Babcock WDBabcock@msn.com wbabcock@lansing.lib.il.us My goal is to be the person my dog thinks I am. ----- Original Message ----- From: "M. Hackett" <mikehack@u.washington.edu> To: <Cremona502@cs.com> Cc: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, December 25, 2000 6:06 PM Subject: Re: Benaroya Hall organ (tracker, 1998) -- basically good for firewood...     > > > In this case a conversion of the Benaroya Hall or a H-J, along with a > purging of the bad stops (and or moving some ranks to new locations) -- > would fix the problems. [a cav-coll solution may work ...] > > Sadly, the Seattle Paramount Werlitzer -- even in its 85% health -- is > much better sounding and voiced etc ... than the FISK (1998).<snip-snip> > > These two paragraphs, especially the last tell the story . . . the real problem is the voicing or lack thereof.   I've heard complaints about G. Donald Harrison's concept. These are unjust. I would suggest you get a copy of Studies In Tone from (OHS) which is a reissue of promotional recordings of AS. These demonstrate Harrison's vision.   To compare a theatre organ to a classically designed instrument is fatuous at best, ill advised to be charitable. Rather like comparing pigs to pearls. They aren't the same at all. Bill. > > > << t could easily deserve to have half of its stops removed, as they just > > sound awful. The hall design makes the tracker action very noticable -- > > somthing that most church halls mask (very well). > > > > ... (snip) ... > > > > If it were converted to a ROBERT-HOPE-JONES electric design, with the > > necessary theatre organ attachments -- the organ could be saved. > > > > The fixed console really kills good judements on stop / rank choices. >> > > > > Gee! First to say that the Fisk sounds horrible, and then to say it could > > be improved Hope-Jones style sort of flushes your credibility down the > > toilet! These styles of organ are totally unrelated, and bear no > > resemblance to each other, except that they both have keys! > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >        
(back) Subject: RE: Benaroya Hall organ (tracker, 1998) -- basically good for firewood... From: <Wurlibird1@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 13:21:28 EST   Bill Babcock writes:   >To compare a theatre organ to a classically designed instrument< >is fatuous at best, ill advised to be charitable. Rather like< >comparing pigs to pearls. They aren't the same at all.<<<   Bill, I have seen your characterizations apply to both types of organs. Thankfully, you allow us to make the appropriate attachment as = circumstances warrant.   Jim  
(back) Subject: my daughter's gift to me From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 15:43:16 -0500   I didn't tell you all what my daughter (Annie) gave me for Christmas. She gave me many small things, but the gift I like the most is one that = weighed a ton. She gave me the organ accompaniment for "Breaking Bread 2001", = which is a hymnal published by OCP. They re-issue it every year, although it's = not necessary to buy it every year. It contains hymns from A to Z, = responsorial psalms and gospel acclamations for the 52 Sundays of the year (All 3 cycles), psalms and acclamations for all the special feast days, and over = 20 different mass settings. The hymns are numbered 1 to 724 (yes, that IS a lot), then 725 to 905 is the section with the psalms, acclamations and service music. It comes with the holes pre-punched. It's VERY thick. With 905 titles, and more than 60% of the songs are more than 1 page, you can imagine how thick this is. Now all I have to do is find a few 3-ring binders. I was planning on buying this, but now I don't have to <G>. The cost of this is over 100$..........   Carlo    
(back) Subject: Re: Benaroya Hall organ (tracker, 1998) -- basically good for firewood... From: "WDBabcock" <WDBabcock@email.msn.com> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 15:45:37 -0600   Just a further note to my earlier comment: I happen to like pigs, a most useful and tasty animal as well as pearls another lovely gift of God's creation. As Jim notes below you are free to draw your own conclusions, but please be charitable to the other side, your version of hell, or your assignment for God's pleasure, might be an assignment playing the "other" kind. William D. "Bill" Babcock WDBabcock@msn.com wbabcock@lansing.lib.il.us My goal is to be the person my dog thinks I am. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Wurlibird1@aol.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2000 12:21 PM Subject: RE: Benaroya Hall organ (tracker, 1998) -- basically good for firewood...     > Bill Babcock writes: > > >To compare a theatre organ to a classically designed instrument< > >is fatuous at best, ill advised to be charitable. Rather like< > >comparing pigs to pearls. They aren't the same at all.<<< > > Bill, I have seen your characterizations apply to both types of organs. > Thankfully, you allow us to make the appropriate attachment as circumstances > warrant. > > Jim > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >        
(back) Subject: Re: Anderson College From: <JerryM8319@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 18:20:57 EST   The Anderson College I am familiar with is located in Anderson, Indiana, = and is just northeast of Indianapolis. The college is associated with The = Church of God denomination(Bill and Gloria Gaither's denomination). The college seems to be a good, solid liberal arts institution.   Jerry formerly of Muncie, Indiana  
(back) Subject: RE: Anderson College From: <Wurlibird1@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 19:57:38 EST   In response to my earlier inquiry about Anderson College, Jerry writes:   >The Anderson College I am familiar with is located in Anderson, Indiana, =   and< >is just northeast of Indianapolis. The college is associated with The Church< >of God denomination(Bill and Gloria Gaither's denomination). The college< =   >seems to be a good, solid liberal arts institution.<<   They obviously have a very fine music department and an outstanding choral =   music emphasis. Thanks, Jerry, for the information.   Jim  
(back) Subject: Re: Benaroya Hall organ (tracker, 1998) -- basically good for firewood... From: <ManderUSA@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 22:16:51 EST     --part1_7f.e131531.277ab923_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/26/2000 12:57:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, WDBabcock@email.msn.com writes:     > To compare a theatre organ to a classically designed instrument > is fatuous at best, ill advised to be charitable. Rather like > comparing pigs to pearls. They aren't the same at all. > Bill. >   Jane Parker Smith was quoted as saying, after playing a concert on the = rather large Wurlitzer in the concert hall at Worthing on the English South = Coast, that with the tremulants turned off, the sound was rather like that of a Cavaille-Coll!!!   So there!   Malcolm Wechsler www.mander-organs.com   --part1_7f.e131531.277ab923_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D2>In a message dated 12/26/2000 12:57:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, = <BR>WDBabcock@email.msn.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">To compare a = theatre organ to a classically designed instrument <BR>is fatuous at best, ill advised to be charitable. &nbsp;Rather like <BR>comparing pigs to pearls. &nbsp;They aren't the same at all. <BR>Bill. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Jane Parker Smith was quoted as saying, after playing a concert on the = rather <BR>large Wurlitzer in the concert hall at Worthing on the English = South Coast, <BR>that with the tremulants turned off, the sound was rather = like that of a <BR>Cavaille-Coll!!! <BR> <BR>So there! <BR> <BR>Malcolm Wechsler <BR>www.mander-organs.com</FONT></HTML>   --part1_7f.e131531.277ab923_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Christmas Day Recital From: <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 23:07:58 -0500 (EST)   A Christmas Day recital sounds wonderful, but I know I would never have enough gumption to perform it.   As it is, after Chmas Eve, I feel like 3 Mack trucks hit me, jet lag from a trip around the moon, and a train wreck ALL at once.   Today, Dec. 26, I "almost" feel back to normal, at least physically.   Peace to you all on what's left of Boxing Day. Neil B.    
(back) Subject: A cynical question From: <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 00:10:59 -0500 (EST)   Received my American Organist magazine today (tues). On the front cover was a picture of the Skinner organ (restored by Schantz) at the Severance Hall in Cleveland, Ohio.   The cover article mentioned the resurgence of pipe organs in concert venues.   Now my somewhat cynical question -- Are pipe organs to concert halls what grand pianos have been to living rooms? Nice, expensive adornments that are used infrequently?   Ok, I'm done with that. Neil B.    
(back) Subject: Re: was Benaroya Hall organ (tracker) -- reality check? From: "M. Hackett" <mikehack@u.washington.edu> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 22:47:49 -0800 (PST)     Cav-Coll - and I believe 90%+ of Casavants - are electropneumatic. I did list the 3 major non electronic classes of organ design. :)   RTFM!   MP     > CC was not tracker.   > > > Fritts (Trackers), Cav-Coll, Casavant, Werli, Morton, etc ... > > all make logical sence when optimised in their original settings.                        
(back) Subject: C-C, trackers, Barker lever, etc. From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 23:07:37 -0800   Whoa, here! Cavaille-Coll DID use straight tracker action, particularly in his small chancel organs, and several times in the Positifs of his Grand Orgues.   Machine Barker is basically a pneumatic ASSIST *applied* to tracker action, mostly for the sake of easy coupling. In any case, C-Cs are closer to a tracker than a pitman E/P because of the slider chests and tracker action up to the point where the Barker lever takes over.   Cheers,   Bud   "M. Hackett" wrote:   > Cav-Coll - and I believe 90%+ of Casavants - are electropneumatic. > I did list the 3 major non electronic classes of organ design. > :) > > RTFM! > > MP > > > CC was not tracker. > > > > > Fritts (Trackers), Cav-Coll, Casavant, Werli, Morton, etc ... > > > all make logical sence when optimised in their original settings. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Skinner book on organs clairification... From: "M. Hackett" <mikehack@u.washington.edu> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 23:17:10 -0800 (PST)     Skinner book on organs clairification...   In the Skinner book on organ design princpals, he shows 3 generations of tracker design on page 2. Cav-Coll I guess used generations 2 & 3 of tracker design.   I can say that eletro-pneumatic (Casavant) tecnically is not considered by skinner in the book as the technology was very new at the time...   Overall Cav-Coll and Casavant are very close in terms of design schools...   MP   > Whoa, here! Cavaille-Coll DID use straight tracker action, particularly = in > his small chancel organs, and several times in the Positifs of his Grand > Orgues. > > Machine Barker is basically a pneumatic ASSIST *applied* to tracker > action, mostly for the sake of easy coupling. In any case, C-Cs are = closer > to a tracker than a pitman E/P because of the slider chests and tracker > action up to the point where the Barker lever takes over.