PipeChat Digest #1649 - Monday, November 6, 2000

 

Fw: Fw: Nicking in Wooden Pipes

  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>

ICQ

  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>

Re: Nicking in Wooden Pipes

  by "s c bournias" <chrisbournias@hotmail.com>

Re: Trackers, EPs and volume

  by "W.D.\"Bill\" Babcock" <WDBabcock@email.msn.com>

Re: Goodbye Song?... Bon Voyage Hammond CV?

  by "W.D.\"Bill\" Babcock" <WDBabcock@email.msn.com>

Re: Nicking in Wooden Pipes

  by <TRACKELECT@cs.com>

Cross poster - Old Skinner to be replaced?

  by <LLWheels@aol.com>

Re: Vierne Symph 1 Finale question

  by "Chris Johns" <Chris_Johns@gmx.de>

Re: Olivera

  by "Ronald Warren" <rwarren@inreach.com>

Re: Cross poster - Old Skinner to be replaced?

  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>

Re: Cross poster - Old Skinner to be replaced?

  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>

Re: EM Skinner replacement

  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net>

Fw: EM Skinner replacement

  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>

Re: Fw: EM Skinner replacement

  by "Jon C. Habermaas" <opus1100@catoe.org>

Re: Vierne Symph 1 Finale question

  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>

Fw: Fw: EM Skinner replacement

  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>

Re: Cross poster - Old Skinner to be replaced?

  by "charder@ties.k12.mn.us" <charder@mail.ties.k12.mn.us>

Re: EM Skinner replacement

  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>

Re: Fw: EM Skinner replacement

  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>

Re: Fw: Fw: EM Skinner replacement

  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>

Re: Cross poster - Old Skinner to be replaced?

  by "Bonnie Beth Derby" <orge@dreamscape.com>

 


(back) Subject: Fw: Fw: Nicking in Wooden Pipes From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 07:24:20 -0500   Granted, but have you heard a street organ Jazz Flute lately? I have many recordings of Dutch organs, and some are more woodier and chirpier than others which lend the instrument that 'Holland trademark sound'. Add to that the pallet-trem behind each pipe and that's the icing on the cake. When building these pipes, I listened carefully to the recordings and made my choice on tonal finality. Good clear spruce, no nicking, and hollow Rorhflute-type tuning bungs. A mildly strong 2-2/3 harmonic is evident. Next challenge is making the FreineHarmoniques for the violins and voicing them.   Rick     ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Scarborough <desertbob@rglobal.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 11:13 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Nicking in Wooden Pipes     > At 02:37 PM 11/5/2000 -0500, you wrote: > >When building the Jazz Flute for my Dutch street organ, I purposely = left > >the pipes UNnicked for that typical chiffy, chirpy sound. Quite unique!<snip> > > > Not really. It sounds like all you've done there is mimic the 3rd harmonic > "percussion" circuit of the jazz players' favorite the B-3! > > dB > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: ICQ From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 08:52:18 -0500   can someone (running ICQ) please sent me the "netdetect.exe"? Mine got deleted somehow. Many thanks.   Carlo      
(back) Subject: Re: Nicking in Wooden Pipes From: "s c bournias" <chrisbournias@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 10:19:47 EST   <html><DIV> <P><BR><BR></P> <DIV></DIV> <P><BR><BR></P>Thank you for your kind reply. Does this also hold true = regarding nicks filled in with shellac and also those filled with = wax?...Steve Bournias</DIV><p><hr>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN = Hotmail at <a = href=3D"http://www.hotmail.com">http://www.hotmail.com</a>.<p>Share = information about yourself, create your own public profile at <a = href=3D"http://profiles.msn.com">http://profiles.msn.com = </a>.<br></p></html>  
(back) Subject: Re: Trackers, EPs and volume From: "W.D.\"Bill\" Babcock" <WDBabcock@email.msn.com> Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 11:13:20 -0600   Just to add my two cents to the discussion. I have played several "romantic" trackers and some extreme EPs all of various sizes. Don't = blame the key action for the bad voicing.   The organ speaking straight down the chancel from high up should if = anything help to blend the tone of the various ranks. Sounds like an ideal placement.   While you can play Bach trios, etc. on a kazoo or a musical saw can you = hear the individual voice liness. Remember Bach is primarily a linear = experience not a vertical, or chordal one.   W. D. "Bill" Babcock WDBabcock@msn.com   ----- Original Message ----- From: <Cremona502@cs.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 11:21 PM Subject: Re: Trackers, EPs and volume     > In a message dated 11/5/00 7:17:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, ScottFop@aol.com > writes: > > << Regarding Wellesly- I didn't go that day of the convention because I knew > what to expect and apparently I was right.>> > > I must admit, that I was somewhat disappointed in the Wellesly recital, but > for the same reason that I am disappointed my most recitals on large > instruments: the recitalist somehow feels they must go full throttle = the > whole time. I played the instrument for a few minutes after the = recital and > was delighted by the colourful flutes and GENTLE principals. Stop by stop, > it is quite a nice instrument, but, unfortunately, the balance goes nuts with > just a few "wrong" choices. > > << The Fisk that I played while at the NC School of the Arts is rather, uh- > potent, from what I recall (not having heard it since 1986). But it = has a > glorious tone and action. The EM Skinner at Jefferson is rather strident, > but one must consider that it is an unusual installation in that its sound > travels directly down the center aisle from high in the chancel, = instead of > the usual somewhat buried "Anglican double-chamber on both sides" type = of > installation. >> > > Which indicates that every builder has (with all due respect) "done some > dogs" along the way. This is no reason to condemn everything built in this > style! > > << Then there is the Shrine's Kilgen whose resources can be used rather > liberally without offending ears but still making quite a nice BIG = roar! < > giggle> > but then again- I have six expressive divisions too. EVERYTHING is = under > expression including both great and pedal divisions (as God intended!) > > They're ALL different in their own ways (although I prefer my "roar" to > click > and chiff). We joke around here that the only articulation in the Shrine's > Kilgen is in the harmonic flutes! hee hee And one can STILL play = Bach, > trio conatas and the rest. >> > > That is all wonderful! However, I have never heard a large Kilgen that = I > really liked. I have heard small ones that are delicate and lovely. = But > then, that is my preference. I, however, do not feel the need to = suggest > trashing every instrument that I don't personally think is = representative of > my favorite style. I have no doubt that I could spend an enjoyable > afternoon exploring the resource of "The Kilgen". I have never met a pipe > organ that didn't have something good in it. > > Bruce . . . Cremona502@cs.com > in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles . . . > Duncan, Miles, and Molly > visit CornelyCues & Howling Acres: Ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502 > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >      
(back) Subject: Re: Goodbye Song?... Bon Voyage Hammond CV? From: "W.D.\"Bill\" Babcock" <WDBabcock@email.msn.com> Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 11:19:08 -0600   Well, let's hope they at least vote for something more kosher, with = perhaps a little less "ham" in it.   An Ethel Smith retro sounds great. But perhaps have another job lined up first..   Never could pass up a pun.   Good luck, Shaloam W.D. "Bill" Babcock WDBabcock@msn.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <stalan@ix.netcom.com> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 9:01 PM Subject: Re: Goodbye Song?... Bon Voyage Hammond CV?     > > Hammond CV... > > final Shabbat with the Hammond > > suggestions for a "Goodbye Song" which might be played > > something appropriate to such an occasion... > > <HUGE GRIN>... > > Why not an homage to Ethel Smith? Perhaps, even an Ethel Smith > costume... complete with bejeweled white gloves, de rigeur! > Heck, the jewels alone will catch the attention of all those > Jewish ladies so busily sizing up each other's "festival" > wardrobes. Literature? TICO, TICO... of course! Send the > old girl off in style! Oh, but then they may want the Hammond > to stay! Best wishes... > > Grew up playing many organs, including <blush> the Hammond. > Whereupon, didst learn that "really" making those babies <go>... > either through the exit door or to an altar... requires sultry > shoulder raises and much slinging of one's best tit! ;-) > Also have been an hired hand in synagogue, and do admit that > the parade of "Easter Bonnets" is the same in my faith tradition. > > Cheers! > Scott > Austin, Texas > ...sorry, if need be, it's been an off the wall day. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >      
(back) Subject: Re: Nicking in Wooden Pipes From: <TRACKELECT@cs.com> Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 16:14:04 EST   In a message dated 11/6/00 10:20:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, chrisbournias@hotmail.com writes:   << Does this also hold true regarding nicks filled in with shellac and = also those filled with wax?...Steve Bournias >>   Yes.   AAB  
(back) Subject: Cross poster - Old Skinner to be replaced? From: <LLWheels@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 17:26:14 EST   Folks - I quote below a posting from the Church Organ Traders list. I = assume that it is legit and not a hoax, but I have no personal knowledge of the situation. I have emailed mr Greeney that I feel this would be a terrible mistake and notified him that I intended to post his query on this list. I =   hope that someone here has personal knowledge of the situation, or is = close enough to get involved and see that no instrument of historic merit is destroyed. I have not included his phone number, be he did post it on the Church Organ Traders List, so if you feel you need to phone him, you may = find it there.     <KGreeney@aol.com Keith Greeney Rhinebeck NY < Anyone know much about old Skinner Organs? Our church has one that = dates back to the early 1900's and we are thinking of getting rid of it. The organist would like to replace it with a modern electronic console.   It seems that some of our members are in favor of keeping the old one because it is an old antique and has value. Some want to rebuild the old Skinner and continue on using it. The organist compares it to owning an = old car..... nice, but the newer ones are easier better for driving and using. = Any opinions about the topic? New week we vote on leaving things as they are, rebuilding the organ, or getting a new one. The organist is 84 years =   old and I respect the wisdom that may come with age....>   I hope that this is not a hoax, and post it in good faith.   Larry L. Wheelock    
(back) Subject: Re: Vierne Symph 1 Finale question From: "Chris Johns" <Chris_Johns@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 13:15:04 +0100   I've lent my copy to a friend, so can't look up the bar you mean (in any case I have a different edition). If it's the bit I think you mean (the = link from the first to the second subject), then there is actually a footnote = in the U.M.P. edition to the effect that Durufle always played C naturals = there for the reasons you suggest. I also play C natural. I'll quote chapter and verse when I get the copy back! Remind me!   Best wishes   Chris Johns Frankenstrasse 5, D-49082 Osnabrueck Tel/Fax +49 (0)541 528 2568 EMail: Chris_Johns@gmx.de    
(back) Subject: Re: Olivera From: "Ronald Warren" <rwarren@inreach.com> Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 16:19:58 -0800   Any new CD'S by Hector Olivera ?   Ed Brown wrote:   > Any info on the Hector Olivera concert in NYC on Oct 22 at St > Pauls the Apostle. > > Ed > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Cross poster - Old Skinner to be replaced? From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 19:55:50 -0600   At 11/6/00 05:26 PM, Larry Wheelock posted a message about an E.M. = Skinner Organ which seems to be "in peril". He states in his message that there was a slight chance of the situation being a hoax.   Larry cross-posted his message to Piporg-L, and there was a reply there from William Baker (an organbuilder that does not subscribe to Pipechat). With Mr. Baker's permission, I am copying below his response to Larry on Piporg-L -- which disproves the "hoax" aspect.   Immediately following this message, you should all find a copy of my personal response to Larry's and William's postings -- I hope I am not the only member of Pipechat (or Piporg-L, for that matter!) who would be concerned about the possible fate of this organ. I hope that *all of us* might collectively help this congregation to "see the light" and preserve their instrument for the future.   Sincerely,   Tim Bovard Pipechat Co-Administrator <admin@pipechat.org> <tmbovard@arkansas.net>   ---------------------------forwarded message text follows----------------------------   >Subject: EM Skinner replacement >To: PIPORG-L@listserv.albany.edu   >The organ is a delightful 3m from the early 1920's, a gift of the Astors >in memory of their family members who died on the Titanic. While the = organ >has had some rough times (water and subsequent repairs) it is all there = and >is un-altered. I releathered the HP static regulator, the Choir primary = and >the >Choir regulator and so had a chance to become acquainted with the = situation. > >I am glad that Mr Greeney has at last made some inquiries outside the = Parish >on this matter. I am no longer involved because of my unalterable >opposition >to this "modernization" project. The organist wants a stop-key (tablet) >console >as his training and predilection is for Theater Organs. He cannot seem = to >grasp >that replacing the console will not allow him to unify certain stops and = he >favors >such things as 2 ft intermanual couplers. > >There are some horror-stories here, which I will spare the List, but this >congregation has been thoroughly mis-informed. Before my (willing) >departure >I pleaded with the church authorities to consult with some real experts = in >the >field. Joe Dzeda knows this organ, for example, and might have something >constructive to say. > >I am greatly relieved to hear that this proposed Supply-house work has = not >been done yet and I fervently hope that wiser heads will prevail. > >(Wiping the specks of foam from my lips) >William Baker   -------------------------end of forwarded message text-----------------------------                    
(back) Subject: Re: Cross poster - Old Skinner to be replaced? From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 20:52:27 -0500   An old Skinner is priceless. Yes, it would cost to have it rebuilt, but it would be well worth it in the long run. Newer organs today would not have the warmth *nor* the mellowed (thru age) Skinner pipework that makes it = what it is. New is *not* always better, and in the case of your (84y/o) organist, he wants something easier to play and will forfeit the classic Skinner in = order to get it. I vote to keep the EMS.   Rick      
(back) Subject: Re: EM Skinner replacement From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net> Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 20:02:14 -0600   At 11/6/00 07:30 PM, William Baker quoted [posted to Piporg-L] Larry Wheelock's quote of a message to the Church Organ Trader:   <snip> >I am glad that Mr Greeney has at last made some inquiries outside the = Parish >on this matter. I am no longer involved because of my unalterable >opposition >to this "modernization" project. The organist wants a stop-key (tablet) >console >as his training and predilection is for Theater Organs. He cannot seem = to >grasp >that replacing the console will not allow him to unify certain stops and = he >favors >such things as 2 ft intermanual couplers. <snip>   Greetings, fellow Listmembers!   This church does not need a new organ -- they need a new ORGANIST!!!   Perhaps a minor barrage of reality from fellow Listmembers might help them to see what they are *really* on the verge of throwing away...(and how silly their reasons for doing so really *are*)...?   Anyone else here up for sending Mr. Greeney a note??? Perhaps the = Piporg-L [Pipechat] membership can help to do a good thing for these folks...   Thank you, Larry, for letting us all know about this situation -- also, thank you William, for letting us all know just a bit more about the instrument in question.   Regards,   Tim Bovard Little Rock AR  
(back) Subject: Fw: EM Skinner replacement From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 21:45:03 -0500   As much as I like theatre organs, I'll join in the campaign to save this EMS.   Rick     ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Bovard <tmbovard@arkansas.net> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 9:02 PM Subject: Re: EM Skinner replacement     > At 11/6/00 07:30 PM, William Baker quoted [posted to Piporg-L] Larry > Wheelock's quote of a message to the Church Organ Trader: > > <snip> > >I am glad that Mr Greeney has at last made some inquiries outside the Parish > >on this matter. I am no longer involved because of my unalterable > >opposition > >to this "modernization" project. The organist wants a stop-key = (tablet) > >console > >as his training and predilection is for Theater Organs. He cannot seem to > >grasp > >that replacing the console will not allow him to unify certain stops = and he > >favors > >such things as 2 ft intermanual couplers. > <snip> > > Greetings, fellow Listmembers! > > This church does not need a new organ -- they need a new ORGANIST!!! > > Perhaps a minor barrage of reality from fellow Listmembers might help = them > to see what they are *really* on the verge of throwing away...(and how > silly their reasons for doing so really *are*)...? > > Anyone else here up for sending Mr. Greeney a note??? Perhaps the Piporg-L > [Pipechat] membership can help to do a good thing for these folks... > > Thank you, Larry, for letting us all know about this situation -- also, > thank you William, for letting us all know just a bit more about the > instrument in question. > > Regards, > > Tim Bovard > Little Rock AR > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: EM Skinner replacement From: "Jon C. Habermaas" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 21:05:19 -0600   At 09:45 PM 11/6/00 -0500, you wrote: >As much as I like theatre organs, I'll join in the campaign to save this >EMS. > >Rick Maybe this jerk organist should look for a pizza parlor job   jch    
(back) Subject: Re: Vierne Symph 1 Finale question From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 18:56:10 -0800   At 11:30 PM 11/5/2000 -0500, you wrote: >every recording I have of this piece, the organists play a C natural. It >makes more sense to play C natural because of the previous measure.<snip>   Ya...but is that what Vierne INTENDED, or an "editorial error"? Hmmm...I KNOW it makes "sense". Then again, that's probably why that measure also sounds awful! LOL!   dB    
(back) Subject: Fw: Fw: EM Skinner replacement From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 22:15:37 -0500   Don Baker played pizza in Tampa in the '70s. He *hated* it. I can't blame him after years at the NY Brooklyn Paramount!   Rick     ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon C. Habermaas <opus1100@catoe.org> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 10:05 PM Subject: Re: Fw: EM Skinner replacement     > At 09:45 PM 11/6/00 -0500, you wrote: > >As much as I like theatre organs, I'll join in the campaign to save = this > >EMS. > > > >Rick > Maybe this jerk organist should look for a pizza parlor job > > jch > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: Cross poster - Old Skinner to be replaced? From: "charder@ties.k12.mn.us" <charder@mail.ties.k12.mn.us> Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 21:57:12 -0600 (CST)   Did I understand the original posting correctly? I was under the impression that the console, not the whole organ, was under threat of = being replaced.   Charles Harder      
(back) Subject: Re: EM Skinner replacement From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 20:26:41 -0800   At 08:02 PM 11/6/2000 -0600, you wrote: >The organist wants a stop-key (tablet) > >console > >as his training and predilection is for Theater Organs.<snip>   Well, nothing wrong with that. Anyone with any sense will agree that tabs =   are far more ergonomic and easier to register than those silly knobs! Electric action obviated the need for drawknobs entirely, but people just seem to think they're "sexy", for some reason. I opine that they're an encumbrance, although a fairly standardized one.   > He cannot seem to > >grasp > >that replacing the console will not allow him to unify certain stops = and he > >favors > >such things as 2 ft intermanual couplers. ><snip><snip>   Oh, dear. Well, I'll have to throw in with the organ, just from what I've =   heard here! It's quite obvious that Mr. Octogenarian wants to play a Wurlitzer, which, of course, a Skinner could never be! However, I also must state that, in my opinion, much of Skinner's early work was totally unsatisfactory from the standpoint of decent ensemble, enamored as he was with the tonal ideals of Hope-Jones (although he denied this for years). Early work of Skinner's, before his having an epiphany of the concept of principal choruses in England in the '20s, tended to be mish-mash collections of unison ranks of non-related stops of various timbre, more closely approximating the ideal of the "orchestral" organ along the lines of the "unit orchestra"...sans unification, of course!   Keep the organ, offer the organist a nice pension.   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: EM Skinner replacement From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 20:28:41 -0800   At 09:05 PM 11/6/2000 -0600, you wrote: > Maybe this jerk organist should look for a pizza parlor job<snip>   Hey, ease up! Anyone that's still able to play weekly at 84 deserves SOME =   respect! Offer him a pension, and hire anew.   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: EM Skinner replacement From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 20:39:08 -0800   At 10:15 PM 11/6/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Don Baker played pizza in Tampa in the '70s. He *hated* it. I can't blame >him after years at the NY Brooklyn Paramount!<snip>     Who WOULDN'T hate "pizza"? Most pizza organs wind up sounding like humongous accordions in a usually too-small room with poor chambers, and the organist has to play a continual roll of Disney tunes and other = drivVEL to please the Chuck E. Cheese crowd. I've been to Brown's joint in AZ...flashy, but I was NOT impressed. I've also heard FAR worse. I'm = also not impressed by the "pizza organist" that has been produced in the last few decades. They go for glitz and gimcrackery over style and substance every time. Thankfully, "organ pizza" parlors have just about died out, being both failures at being restaurants AND organ venues. I got = chastised for my opinion over on TO-L, but...well, you KNOW what I think about THAT!   Don't mistake my disdain for "pizza organ" for a dislike for "unit orchestras" particularly from builders other than WURRRRRRLitzer. They = are instruments unto themselves, and are quite interesting, especially in that =   they break every tonal rule in "the book", but work anyway! What does stick in my craw, however, was the wrecking of the RCMH "Kimballitzer" = into a "real" WURRRRRRLitzer spec. Seems the "Trendy Wendies" got their hands on it, eh, what!   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: Re: Cross poster - Old Skinner to be replaced? From: "Bonnie Beth Derby" <orge@dreamscape.com> Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 00:26:19 -0500   ----- Original Message ----- From: <LLWheels@aol.com> Cc: <KGreeney@aol.com> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 5:26 PM Subject: Cross poster - Old Skinner to be replaced?     > Folks - I quote below a posting from the Church Organ Traders list. I assume > that it is legit and not a hoax, but I have no personal knowledge of the > situation. I have emailed mr Greeney that I feel this would be a = terrible > mistake and notified him that I intended to post his query on this list. = I > hope that someone here has personal knowledge of the situation, or is close > enough to get involved and see that no instrument of historic merit is > destroyed. I have not included his phone number, be he did post it on = the > Church Organ Traders List, so if you feel you need to phone him, you may find > it there. > > > <KGreeney@aol.com > Keith Greeney > Rhinebeck NY > < Anyone know much about old Skinner Organs? Our church has one that dates > back to the early 1900's and we are thinking of getting rid of it. The > organist would like to replace it with a modern electronic console. > > It seems that some of our members are in favor of keeping the old one > because it is an old antique and has value. Some want to rebuild the = old > Skinner and continue on using it. The organist compares it to owning an old > car..... nice, but the newer ones are easier better for driving and = using. > Any opinions about the topic? New week we vote on leaving things as = they > are, rebuilding the organ, or getting a new one. The organist is 84 = years > old and I respect the wisdom that may come with age....> > > I hope that this is not a hoax, and post it in good faith. > > Larry L. Wheelock >   Sure! Let's replace the "Stradivarius" with an electric guitar! This = just makes me sick! I played a wonderful 1927 E.M. Skinner for over four years at a Christian Science Church in Syracuse. These instruments are just irreplaceable! The oboe and clarinet stops simply "sing" and the flute celeste - a warm sound that adds so much to service playing. Every = organist who plays this instrument speaks highly of this gem and loves Skinners.   Anything that I can do or say to help save this Skinner....count me in!   I say, give the present organist a toy piano!   <"...I respect the wisdom that may come with age...."> Be careful, some well-aged items can be bitter. :-)   Cheers,   Bonnie Beth Derby, B.Mus., M.Mus. Producer & Host ``Orgelwerke'' & ``Choral Traditions'' WCNY-FM, 91.3; Syracuse; WUNY-FM, 89.5, Utica; WJNY-FM, 90.9, Watertown Organist & Director of Music, St. James Roman Catholic Church, Syracuse [1988 Odell/Kerner & Merchant 33-rank tracker organ] orge@dreamscape.com