PipeChat Digest #1654 - Friday, November 10, 2000

 

Organ Duets

  by "Chris Johns" <Chris_Johns@gmx.de>

Re: Organ Duets

  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>

RE: Organ Questions/Replys

  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>

Re: Fw: Organ Questions/"Replys"

  by "Joe Nichols" <cjn@nicholsandsimpson.com>

RE: Organ Duets

  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>

RE: Fw: Organ Questions/"Replys"

  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>

George W. Greene/COLUMBUS/ROSS PRODUCTS DIVISION/US is out o

  by <George.Greene@RossNutrition.com>

Realys improving pipe speech

  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>

Re: Organ Duets

  by "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu>

Upcoming Performances (x post)

  by <ScottFop@aol.com>

FWD: 3 Serious Computer Virus Warnings (From Amy McLelland)

  by "whutton" <whutton@bama.ua.edu>

Relax, gang--all hoaxes!  Re: FWD: 3 Serious Computer Virus  Warnings (Fr

  by "Adrianne Schutt" <maybe@pipcom.com>

Re: Goodbye Song?

  by "Shirley" <pnst@earthlink.net>

Paper Pipes?/ Setter boards?

  by "WDBabcock" <WDBabcock@email.msn.com>

Re: Paper Pipes?/ Setter boards?

  by <TRACKELECT@cs.com>

ALL READ!!!!!  Re: Relax, gang--all hoaxes!  Re: FWD: 3 Serious Computer 

  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>

Re: FWD: 3 Serious Computer Virus Warnings (From Amy McLelland)

  by <mjolnir@ticnet.com>

Re: Relax, gang--all hoaxes!

  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net>

RE: Paper Pipes?/Setter boards?

  by <Wurlibird1@aol.com>

Re: EM Skinner replacement

  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>

Re: Organ Questions/Replys

  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>

Replacing a Skinner Console

  by <LLWheels@aol.com>

Found in the English Electronic Telegraph

  by "Robert Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>

 


(back) Subject: Organ Duets From: "Chris Johns" <Chris_Johns@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 12:03:31 +0100   Dear Listers,   My colleague and I want to do a recital of music for two organs, and are looking for repertoire. We have a 69-stop four manual "grand orgue" = (Breil), a 15-stop two manual "orgue de choeur" (Cavaille-Coll) and a three rank positive (Cladders). What do you suggest? We've found a fair bit of old Italian stuff, but a certain amount of it isn't very inspiring!   Look forward to your suggestions,   Chris Johns Frankenstrasse 5, D-49082 Osnabrueck Tel/Fax +49 (0)541 528 2568 EMail: Chris_Johns@gmx.de    
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Duets From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 08:52:44 -0500   music I've played in duet concerts in the past are....   Ragtime---Charles Callahan Variations on an Easter theme---John Rutter Concerto Gregoriano---Pietro Yon   Carlo      
(back) Subject: RE: Organ Questions/Replys From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 08:30:16 -0600   Rick et al.:   The two posters are using different verbs (effect [Bruce] vs. affect [Doug]). Could we at least clarify what Bruce's point was?   Peter   -----Original Message----- From: VEAGUE [mailto:dutchorgan@svs.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 7:07 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Fw: Organ Questions/Replys     Yeah! Waiting with baited breath for the answer to this one!. <G> = heeheehee   Rick     ----- Original Message ----- From: Douglas A Campbell <dougcampbell@juno.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 7:04 PM Subject: Re: Organ Questions/Replys     > Please explain how a change of a relay affects pipe speech. > > > Douglas A. Campbell > Skaneateles, NY > > > On Tue, 7 Nov 2000 23:00:44 EST Cremona502@cs.com writes: > > In a message dated 11/7/00 8:13:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > randyterry@laumc.org writes: > > > > << I certainly agree with updating > > consoles and relays - but in sone cases like opus 150 in Kansas > > City, MO, I > > thought the strict restoration with no changes at all was nice. >> > > > > Unfortunately, when the mechanism such as relays, etc. are changed > > the organ > > is no longer original and in some cases it can effect pipe speech. > > It's a > > shame that our need for big too often takes over. > > > > Bruce . . . Cremona502@cs.com > > in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles . . . > > Duncan, Miles, and Molly > > visit CornelyCues & Howling Acres: Ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502 > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related > > topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >       "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: Organ Questions/"Replys" From: "Joe Nichols" <cjn@nicholsandsimpson.com> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 08:47:15 -0600     ----- Original Message ----- From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 7:41 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Organ Questions/"Replys"     > The relay has absolutely no effect of any kind upon the speech of pipework. > > The relay can affect the responsiveness of the action, but not pipe = speech > characteristics. > Sebastian,   The relay can absolutely effect pipe speech in some circumstances. Proof?--put a well designed solid-state relay on a Wicks organ from the = 40's or 50's that was originally equipped with a mechanical relay. In this = case the effect is absolutely an improvement.   C. Joseph Nichols Nichols & Simpson, Inc. www.nicholsandsimpson.com    
(back) Subject: RE: Organ Duets From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 10:05:50 -0600   Chris:   I assume you've considered the Soler concerti.   Peter   -----Original Message----- From: Chris Johns [mailto:Chris_Johns@gmx.de] Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 5:04 AM To: PipeChat Subject: Organ Duets     Dear Listers,   My colleague and I want to do a recital of music for two organs, and are looking for repertoire. We have a 69-stop four manual "grand orgue" = (Breil), a 15-stop two manual "orgue de choeur" (Cavaille-Coll) and a three rank positive (Cladders). What do you suggest? We've found a fair bit of old Italian stuff, but a certain amount of it isn't very inspiring!   Look forward to your suggestions,   Chris Johns Frankenstrasse 5, D-49082 Osnabrueck Tel/Fax +49 (0)541 528 2568 EMail: Chris_Johns@gmx.de     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: RE: Fw: Organ Questions/"Replys" From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 10:13:56 -0600   Joe:   I'll vouch for that! Sorry to miss Peter's program Tuesday night. We = were having winter at the time. I'll look forward to some concerts in your = area next year.   Best regards,   Peter   -----Original Message----- From: Joe Nichols [mailto:cjn@nicholsandsimpson.com] Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 8:47 AM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Fw: Organ Questions/"Replys"       ----- Original Message ----- From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 7:41 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Organ Questions/"Replys"     > The relay has absolutely no effect of any kind upon the speech of pipework. > > The relay can affect the responsiveness of the action, but not pipe = speech > characteristics. > Sebastian,   The relay can absolutely effect pipe speech in some circumstances. Proof?--put a well designed solid-state relay on a Wicks organ from the = 40's or 50's that was originally equipped with a mechanical relay. In this = case the effect is absolutely an improvement.   C. Joseph Nichols Nichols & Simpson, Inc. www.nicholsandsimpson.com     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: George W. Greene/COLUMBUS/ROSS PRODUCTS DIVISION/US is out o From: <George.Greene@RossNutrition.com> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 13:40:09 -0500     I will be out of the office from 11/09/2000 until 11/13/2000.   I will respond to your message when I return. If you need assistance = during my absence, please contact Dan Gregory at 43854.   Thank you very much.  
(back) Subject: Realys improving pipe speech From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 14:54:47 EST   Dear Joe:   Never having had to work with electromechanical actions, this is an interesting point. Does it have something to do with the elimination of bounce and flyback, etc.? Since in the case of such actions, the = performance of the magnet IS the performance of the valve, I guess they are somehow = tied.   I am interested because we have been asked to bid on new relays for an all-electric instrument of "a certain vintage," and I am interested at the =   improved speech you observed, in light of the unfortunate sound of the present organ under consideration.   Seb  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Duets From: "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 08:24:57 -0500   > My colleague and I want to do a recital of music for two organs, and are > looking for repertoire. We have a 69-stop four manual "grand orgue" (Breil), > a 15-stop two manual "orgue de choeur" (Cavaille-Coll) and a three rank > positive (Cladders). What do you suggest? We've found a fair bit of old > Italian stuff, but a certain amount of it isn't very inspiring!   Have you tried Soler? He did a number of harpsichord duets which have been used on the organ as of late. Don't remember much about them except for = Ron Ebrecht playing them with himself on his midi.   Es tut mir leid!   -Rebekah    
(back) Subject: Upcoming Performances (x post) From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 14:56:59 EST     --part1_83.2a8f61c.273c5b8b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I am posting as general information that I will be performing both a = theatre organ concert and an organ recital next weekend in the Northeast.   Saturday, November 18, 8:00 pm The Dickinson Theatre Organ Society John Dickinson High School 1801 Milltown Road Wilmington, DE 19808   Sunday, November 19, 4:45 pm St. Patrick's Cathedral Fifth Avenue at 50th Street New York City, NY   SCOTT F. FOPPIANO, Principal Organist and Director of Music THE NATIONAL SHRINE OF THE LITTLE FLOWER, Royal Oak, MI (Geo. Kilgen & Son Pipe Organ Co., St. Louis, MO, Opus 5180, 1933) Staff House Organist, THE FOX THEATRE, Detroit, MI (Wurlitzer, 1928) "Cantantibus organis Caecilia Domino decantabat dicens: fiat cor meum immaculatum ut non confundar."     --part1_83.2a8f61c.273c5b8b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT SIZE=3D2>I am posting as general information that I will be = performing both a theatre <BR>organ concert and an organ recital next = weekend in the Northeast. <BR> <BR>Saturday, November 18, 8:00 pm <BR>The Dickinson Theatre Organ Society <BR>John Dickinson High School <BR>1801 Milltown Road <BR>Wilmington, DE 19808 <BR> <BR>Sunday, November 19, 4:45 pm <BR>St. Patrick's Cathedral <BR>Fifth Avenue at 50th Street <BR>New York City, NY <BR> <BR><B>SCOTT F. FOPPIANO</B>, Principal Organist and Director of Music <BR>THE NATIONAL SHRINE OF THE LITTLE FLOWER, Royal Oak, MI <BR>(Geo. Kilgen &amp; Son Pipe Organ Co., St. Louis, MO, Opus 5180, 1933) <BR>Staff House Organist, THE FOX THEATRE, Detroit, MI (Wurlitzer, 1928) <BR><I>"Cantantibus organis Caecilia Domino decantabat dicens: <BR>fiat cor meum immaculatum ut non confundar."</I> <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_83.2a8f61c.273c5b8b_boundary--  
(back) Subject: FWD: 3 Serious Computer Virus Warnings (From Amy McLelland) From: "whutton" <whutton@bama.ua.edu> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 14:34:27 -0600   >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Original Message From JEFFPUGMAN@cs.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Subject: Fw: Three Serious virus WARNINGS   !!!!Three Serious WARNINGS!!!!!   WARNING No. 1   If you receive any CELCOM Screen Saver, please do not install it!!!!!! This screen saver is very cool. It shows a NOKIA hand phone, with time messages. After it is activated, the PC cannot boot up at all. It goes very slowly. It destroys your hard disk. The filename is CELLSAVER.EXE   WARNING No. 2   Beware! if someone named SandMan asks you to check out his page. DO NOT! It is at www.geocities. This page hacks into your C:/drive. DO = NOT GO THERE...FORWARD THIS MAIL TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW.   WARNING No. 3   If you get an E-mail titled |Win A Holiday| DO NOT open it. Delete it immediately. Microsoft just announced it yesterday. It is a malicious virus that WILL ERASE YOUR HARD DRIVE . At this time there is no remedy.   Forward this to everyone IMMEDIATELY!! PLEASE PASS THIS ALONG TO ALL YOUR FRIENDS AND PEOPLE IN YOUR MAILBOXES. AOL HAS SAID THIS IS A VERY = DANGEROUS VIRUS AND THERE IS NO REMEDY FOR THIS YET. FORWARD IT TO ALL YOUR = ON-LINE FRIENDS A.S.A.P.   Warren Hutton University Organist Professor Emeritus of Music but still teaching School of Music The University of Alabama Box 870366 Tuscaloosa, AL 35487-0366 (205) 348-1461 whutton@bama.ua.edu    
(back) Subject: Relax, gang--all hoaxes! Re: FWD: 3 Serious Computer Virus Warnings (From Amy McLelland) From: "Adrianne Schutt" <maybe@pipcom.com> Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 17:29:43 -0500   PLEASE double (or triple) check this kind of information with *reputable* =   authorities before redistributing. It took 90 seconds (on a very slow modem) for me to track down that all three of the included "warnings" were =   complete hoaxes. The most recent one has already been floating around the =   internet for at least 6 months.   First, the cell phone screen saver (documented August 26, 1999): http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/cellsaver.hoax.html   And then SandMan (documented November 5, 1999): http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/sandman.hoax.html   Finally, the good old Win a Holiday hoax (page modified May 16, 2000): http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/win.a.holiday.html     Some useful bookmarks for getting to the bottom of things like this:   Symantec AntiVirus Research Center (from the makers of Norton AntiVirus): http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/vinfodb.html   United States Department of Energy's HoaxBusters site: http://HoaxBusters.ciac.org/   The Urban Legends corner of about.com: http://urbanlegends.about.com     We all know the medium is the message. The warning is the virus.   Have fun! Ad ;->    
(back) Subject: Re: Goodbye Song? From: "Shirley" <pnst@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 16:58:29 -0500   At 07:02 PM 11/04/2000 -0800, you wrote: Any suggestions for a "Goodbye Song" which might be played at >the end of that service, something appropriate to such an occasion?   How about "Sunrise Sunset" from "Fiddler"???? :)   Shalom Chaverim sounds perfect, though...   --Shirley  
(back) Subject: Paper Pipes?/ Setter boards? From: "WDBabcock" <WDBabcock@email.msn.com> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 19:31:37 -0600   Has anyone followed Mark Wicks' instructions for building paper organ pipes. Did it work? What kind of results did you get? Worth the effort?   2. Have any of you built a setter board for a combination action? My concerns are: how heavy duty switches do I need for 70 drawknobs plus the usual couplers for 3 manuals and pedal? Do I need a relay between the switches and the drawknob solenoids? or just a junction strip to bring the wires together before the wire to the stop knob?   Thanks William D. "Bill" Babcock WDBabcock@msn.com wbabcock@lansing.lib.il.us My goal is to be the person my dog thinks I am.        
(back) Subject: Re: Paper Pipes?/ Setter boards? From: <TRACKELECT@cs.com> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 21:10:49 EST   The only paper pipes I know of are the Egyptian Horn in the Atlantic City Convention Hall Organ. Why are you making setterboards in this age of solid state computer = controls? to answer your questions: The switches do not have to be very heavy duty at all. They should not = need to carry much current. No, a relay is not necessary. If you need a good supplier of inexpensive solid state controls contact me =   off list.   Alan B  
(back) Subject: ALL READ!!!!! Re: Relax, gang--all hoaxes! Re: FWD: 3 Serious Computer Virus Warnings (From Amy McLelland) From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 20:36:53 -0600   First of all I would like to thank Ad for posting this reply about the so called Virus Warning. Since both of your Administrators have been on a tuning trip today neither of us have seen the mail until we got home this evening.   And a reminder to EVERYONE. No one is allowed to post anything having to do with a Virus to the list. If you get something like that in your email it is almost always a hoax and the only so called "virus" is the amount of bandwidth that is used spreading the hoax around.n If there is a true virus warning, the Administrators will hear about it most likely before you do and if it is a "confirmed" virus WE, the Administrators, will post a warning.   Please read the list Guidelines at http://www.pipechat.org one of which specifically prohibits anyone other than the Administrators from posting a "virus" warning.   And just for everyone's sake, when you get one of these don't just go forwarding it willy-nilly - all it does is clog up the Net with very unnecessary garbage. And we all know that the Net can be clogged enough with out this.   And now back to Happy PipeChatting   David   > PLEASE double (or triple) check this kind of information with >*reputable* authorities before redistributing. It took 90 seconds >(on a very slow modem) for me to track down that all three of the >included "warnings" were complete hoaxes. The most recent one has >already been floating around the internet for at least 6 months.   -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: FWD: 3 Serious Computer Virus Warnings (From Amy McLelland) From: <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 03:39:32 GMT     whutton writes:   > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Original Message From JEFFPUGMAN@cs.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Subject: Fw: Three Serious virus WARNINGS > > !!!!Three Serious WARNINGS!!!!! > > WARNING No. 1 > > If you receive any CELCOM Screen Saver,   Going to the meta-search engine dogpile.com, and entering the search parapmeters   +"sandman" +"in a Holiday" +"cellsaver.exe"   brought up the following link   <http://www.nerdherd.com/hoaxes/goodtimes/celcom-scr-p2.html>   revealing two of these items to be hoaxes.   ns  
(back) Subject: Re: Relax, gang--all hoaxes! From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net> Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 21:37:42 -0600   Hi, Ad!   Thanks for the quick work for us re: the moron posting fake virus warnings to PC!   As a matter of fact, David and I were both gone all day today tuning in Branson, MO (gack!) -- I surely appreciate your post to help keep things calm...<G>   Hope to see 'ya tomorrow nite on IRC!   Appreciatively,   Tim          
(back) Subject: RE: Paper Pipes?/Setter boards? From: <Wurlibird1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 22:48:22 EST   Hi list and Bill Babcock,   Really have to agree with Alan B on the setterboard. Solid state = switching is the best way to go, even if the organ is quite small. Finding the = number of SPDT slider switches required is a chore and they are troublesome. Furthermore, wiring up one of these antiquated control systems is a pain = in the lower anatomy. Alan is quite correct in his assessment of current/voltage requirements with regard to relays, etc. Don't know Alan personally and we have never corresponded on- or off-list, but do check = out the solid state approach.   This message brought to you by one who is rebuilding a 3-manual console = with a setterboard composed of 488 slider switches. Need some practice? :- )   Jim  
(back) Subject: Re: EM Skinner replacement From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 19:51:11 -0800   At 02:27 PM 11/7/2000 -0800, you wrote: >If someone wanted to replace an existing console and was content with >stop-keys (and I agree with dB that they are easier to get along with = than >drawknobs) why not replicate the Kilgen "wing-type" console which was, >except for an unfortunate tendency to be overly wide (certainly not >necessary, especially today), quite handsome?<snip>   I do agree the Kilgen "wingers" were quite handsome, and second only to = the "horseshoe" in terms of convenience. Shots I've seen of the much-ballyhooed Little Flower Kilgen lead me to believe it would be quite handy to settle into and play.   >However, my vote is for the church in question to have the original EMS >console rebuilt instead. It was up to handling the tonal resources when = new >and, with careful restoration, should do just as well in the future. >Original instruments, regardless of type, should be maintained as often = as >possible.<snip>   Again, I agree that the Skinner should retain its console and tonality, albeit my viewpoint indicates that neither were the most satisfactory of design. Overall, Skinner was the pre-eminent builder of the early 20th century, and there is still much to be learned from his surviving work. Hacking it to bits is no solution, no matter what one's tonal or ergonomic viewpoint.   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Questions/Replys From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 21:03:06 -0800   At 07:04 PM 11/8/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Please explain how a change of a relay affects pipe speech.<snip>   It can't, bReWsE is mistaken. I think what he alluded to was the response =   SPEED, which indeed can be changed with a change of relay. Kilgen was known for extremely sluggish relays and action, especially when things = were performing less than optimally. Changing them out to modern equipment indeed speeds things up a great deal. However, pipe "speech" remains unaffected.   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: Replacing a Skinner Console From: <LLWheels@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 00:55:45 EST   This letter is to Mr. K. Greeney, who inquired on behalf of his church and = is being posted to the PipeChat and Piporg-L lists where my initial post = created such a furor.   Mr. Greeney   I must apologize - I am responsible for the misunderstanding of your = inquiry posted to the Church Organ Traders List. I read your posting to mean your =   congregation was thinking of replacing the whole organ.   I am fully aware of the meaning of "ergonomics" and the study thereof. = There is no such animal as an ergonomically correct, or even ergonomically = designed console. It simply does not exist. Standards for console design were established by the American Guild of Organists in the 1930s (and revisited =   every few years by a committee on console design) well before the study of =   ergonomics was identified and are more-or-less adhered to by all US organbuilders with the exception of those who choose to adhere to the = Bundes Deutche Orgelbau (BDO) standards established by the guild of German organbuilders. Those standards, while not identical, are so similar that = most US organists would not notice if they were playing an AGO or a BDO = console. The designers of those standards were, in fact, attempting to devise standards with the same purpose as the study of ergonomics, but without = the benefit of the current knowledge of ergonomics.   To my knowledge, and I pay attention to this stuff because I am in the = Human Resources field, and trained in workplace ergonomics, as well as being an organist, no one has attempted to design an ergonomically correct console. = If your organist knows of someone who HAS, please let me know immediately.   If you find such an animal, however, be aware that it is most likely that after your organist learns to use it and eventually retires, there will be = no organist who will be familiar with such a design and organists are notoriously slow to change. Organists are still arguing the relative = merits of the concave-radiating (Willis-style) pedalboard versus a flat-radiating =   pedalboard, Vs a flat-straight pedalboard, and the C-R pedalboard has been = in wide use since the end of the 19th century.   If your organists tries to convince you that one standard type of stop-control is more ergonomically-correct than another, he is mistaken. While I believe the practice of ergonomics could, and perhaps should, = inform such a discussion, I know of no studies which have reached any conclusion = at all about the relative merits of (take your pick) English drawknobs, = French drawknobs, stopkeys, tilting tablets, lighted drawknobs, push-buttons, = Estey keyboard-style stopkeys, sliding knobs, or any other system which I may = have missed. Choice of stop-controls is purely a matter of personal taste and esthetics. Arguments can be made for and against each of these styles, but =   none involves ergonomics.   As far as your organist desiring a console with modern conveniences, multi-level memories, piston sequencers, and any number of gadgets, well, once again, it's just a matter of personal taste. There are folks who feel =   that the role of Ernest Martin Skinner was so influential in American Organbuilding that a console built by him should not be altered because of =   it's historical value. I tend to agree with them, but there are those who =   disagree. You will have to make your own judgment based on the input you receive.   A note from your (former, I believe) organ service-person seems to = indicate that your organist is under the impression that certain aspects of the = organ stoplist can be changed by changing the console, like, making an = eight-foot stop play at four- or two-feet. Once again, he is mistaken. Changes to = the stoplist would require much more substantial changes to the instrument = than simply replacing the console. (Involving relays, wiring and other things) = If this is his reasoning for changing the console, it is specious. In my opinion, and that of many musicians, substantial changes to an instrument = of possible historic merit should not be undertaken without the advice of a Skinner expert, such as Nelson Barden or Joseph Dunza. I can refer you to these people if you need to be referred.   I hope the information you have received from the various posters will be useful to your congregation as they approach this question.   Larry L. Wheelock Organist Conductor Composer Kenwood United Methodist Church Milwaukee, WI Austin Organ Co. Opus 1628, 1928 III/55    
(back) Subject: Found in the English Electronic Telegraph From: "Robert Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 01:09:38 -0500   I thought that some of you might be interested in this little cutting fro= m today's Electronic Telegraph.   Church Mouse plays the organ   CHURCH congregations without a regular organist can now play hymns on their organ using an electronic "Music Mouse". The Mouse, invented by Brian Osborn, the organist at St Lawrence's Church in Goring-by-Sea, West Sussex, plugs into an electronic organ. When "clicked", it plays one of 60 hymns.   Mr Osborn said he hoped that the Music Mouse, which costs =A3360, would help congregations that did not have their own organist or were suddenly let down before a service.   It had to come some time!   Bob Conway...