PipeChat Digest #1656 - Saturday, November 11, 2000


Re: Fw: Organ Questions/"Replys"

  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com>

Re: Need Help with Dvorak & "Goin' Home"

  by <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>

Re: Sequencers are not our enemy/was Re: Found in the English

  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>


  by <Bobmac36@aol.com>

Re: Medinah Temple Austin (cross posted)

  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>

Re:Reger: Zwanzig Responsoriem

  by <LLWheels@aol.com>

Hope-Jones, "Taylorism" and ergonomics.

  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>


(back) Subject: Re: Fw: Organ Questions/"Replys" From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 22:56:22 -0600   TubaMagna@aol.com wrote: >=20 > The relay has absolutely no effect of any kind upon the speech of pipew= ork. >=20 > The relay can affect the responsiveness of the action, but not pipe spe= ech > characteristics. >=20 > Change of ACTION TYPE, from slider-and-pallet soundboards to pitman act= ion, > or pitman action to electromechanical, CAN cause changes in pipe speech. > This is why the use of electromechanical actions in place of existing > electropneumatic actions does NOT constitute restoration, nor does it > constitute the preservation of an instrument's sound. >=20 > Likewise, mounting facade pipes on new actions directly below their fee= t, > when in the original historic installation they were tubed off some dis= tance > from the main toeboard, can result in speech changes, notably in speed = and > harmonic content of attack transients.   Yes and no. One would think that while it is possible that a solid state relay might be faster than an electro-pneumatic one, that is not going to change the pipe speech, since it is still the rate of opening of the valve that is all important, and with a solid state control system it is thus just a question of a simple on/off operation.   BUT. The keying does have an effect on the pipe speech. For example, putting diodes into the system will change the hysteresis characteristics of the magnet, and thus the operation of the valve.=20 That is how Wicks overcame the problem of valve bounce in their old direct electric =AE actions. Even in an electro-pneumatic system, the rate at which the magnet vents the primary and hence the pouch may have an effect (albeit a marginal one) on the rate at which the pouch operates, and thus the pipe speech. The relay is part of the total system, and as such can affect the way in which the magnet vents. While I would expect any resultant change in pipe speech to be extremely small, I would not think it was possible to rule out the possibility that it might have some effect.   John Speller  
(back) Subject: Re: Need Help with Dvorak & "Goin' Home" From: <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net> Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 00:02:44 -0500 (EST)   May I suggest you call the music director at the Marble Collegiate Church in NYC? When I visited there a few years back, their soloist sang it in the service.    
(back) Subject: Re: Sequencers are not our enemy/was Re: Found in the English From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 22:06:35 -0800   At 09:00 PM 11/10/2000 -0500, you wrote: >A nice rationale, to be sure. But this device in the hands of the >unscrupulous IS a replacement for an organist.<snip>   ....and a VERY myopic one. "Unscrupulous" American management has been using automation and other technologies to screw people out of jobs for years now. I saw AT&T use VCRP technology to eliminate tens of thousands of long distance operators' jobs, only to go BACK to "live bodies" under a =   new subsidiary, at much less pay and benefits, as well as no union representation or negotiation. They justify it by showing how it improved =   their "bottom line". Society's "bottom line" isn't as fortunate, however! Technology can be a friend to man, but it can also be a powerful =   tool of a ruthless enemy.   A "thot for today" from... DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: Dvorak From: <Bobmac36@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 02:43:48 EST     I have the "Goin' Home" at church and can send it later today - (Saturday) = I will probably go to church late morning - 11ish Central/Mountain time. If =   you have already received the music, please e-mail to save me the time of searching for it. Write to bobmac36@juno.com (Church), or = BobMac36@aol.com before 10:45. Thanks.  
(back) Subject: Re: Medinah Temple Austin (cross posted) From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 00:00:51 -0800   At 09:05 PM 11/10/2000 -0600, you wrote: >I was happy to hear that the Austin will be heading to a new home in >Texas. Details sketchy but I understand the organ will be removed in late =   >November or early December. Will post more as information is >available. CATOE was instrumental in helping find this new home. Organ >will be relocated by the Austin Organ Company.<snip>   Fabulous news! As Austophiles are aware Opus 500 from San Francisco was restored to "as-new" condition at the Hartford factory, but sadly remains in shipping crates. An unfortunate choice of new venue for Opus 500 seems =   to be some sort of ersatz "organ shell" right down on the Embarcadero, as poor a choice for a pipe organ as could be. San Francisco is NOT San Diego, and I'm quite sure the constant fogs of the former will be deleterious to the Austin, not to mention its horrid new acoustical surroundings. Needless to say, the Austin was not originally built as an "outdoor" organ, as was the Spreckles Austin down the coast aways. Hopefully, the Medinah Austin's new venue in "Shrubland" will be a =   public one, where the instrument can be heard to best advantage, rather than be holed up in some church.   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: Re:Reger: Zwanzig Responsoriem From: <LLWheels@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 03:15:01 EST   In a message dated 11/10/2000 10:58:30 PM Central Standard Time, pipechat@pipechat.org writes:   << kmoyer@marauder.millersv.edu >>   St. Michael's Lutheran Church in Germantown, Phila., PA, where I served = from 1984-1992 has a set of these volumes. This was Luther Reed's home congregation. I'm sure they would lend or sell you one. The pastor is = Janet Peterman and they are, I think, currently without a musician so it is best = to call Janet. Tell her I said it's in the library. :-) The parsonage number = is 215-848-1305 and the church is 215-848-0199 (Actually - the area code may have changed recently - you would probably know more about that than I)   Larry L. Wheelock Organist Conductor Composer Kenwood United Methodist Church Milwaukee, WI Austin Organ Co. Opus 1628, 1928 III/55    
(back) Subject: Hope-Jones, "Taylorism" and ergonomics. From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 01:56:33 -0800   At 12:55 AM 11/10/2000 -0500, you wrote: >There >is no such animal as an ergonomically correct, or even ergonomically = designed >console.<snip>   Perhaps not more "ergonomic", but indeed more convenient.   > It simply does not exist. Standards for console design were >established by the American Guild of Organists in the 1930s (and = revisited >every few years by a committee on console design) well before the study = of >ergonomics was identified<snip>   The study of "ergonomics" (although not called that) dates back to the early days of the Industrial Age, when an industrial theory called "Taylorism", wherein work would be designed to attain maximum efficiency from the worker, started to attain popularity. Out of this became a = belief (although never practiced by profit greedy bosses) that tools should be designed to eliminate waste motion and excessive stress on the worker's body. A later example of ergonomically designed handtools can be found as =   designed by the Bell System's Bell Telephone Laboratories. In the 1920s, the Labs found that repetitive usage of certain wire handling and cutting tools then in use would cause trauma to the hands and wrists. Early examples of such tools had unforgiving straight, non-conforming handles, thus exposing the fleshy parts of the hand to undue trauma when enough force was applied by hand to make the tool work properly. Thus, rounded and curved handles were applied to new specifications for tools, which quickly became industry-standard, and can still be seen today. Bell Labs found that workers using these new tools on assembly lines at Western Electric's various works, as well as installers and craftsmen working in central offices, had far lower incidence of "frameman's hand", a hand trauma causing continual pain and swelling. Another example of poor ergonomics were the 1930s DIVCO delivery vans. Delivery drivers driving these vans were perched on a driver's seat which awkwardliy positioned the =   driver to use the clutch pedal. Such drivers would develop a condition known as "Divco Knee", which was found to be quite debilitating. A change =   in succeeding models of the driver's position, and more user-friendly controls, eliminated the problem.   Designers in the industrial world never caught on to this concept of = relief of tool-aggravated injury unless the injuries started costing the = employers money, which is still pretty much the case today. Moving forward in history, we see the flat, slab-like QWERTY computer keyboard being responsible for a new "#1" industrial injury with catastrophic consequences, Carpel Tunnel Syndrome. Organists have suffered from Carpet =   Tunnel for decades before the condition was even given a name. Many attributed their unfortunate condition to various forms of arthritis, = which we now know to be false.   >no one has attempted to design an ergonomically correct console. If >your organist knows of someone who HAS, please let me know immediately. = <snip>   Obviously, you've never played the "horseshoe" console, as devised by Hope-Jones and manufactured by Wurltizer, and copied by many for years. While its design wasn't directed as solving then-unknown = repetitive motion illness, it came about solely as a way to make registrational changes easier and quicker for the organist, which they indeed do. However, this issue of Carpel Tunnel Syndrome has only recently come to light. Proper hand position at the manuals is the only way to lessen the effect of the decidedly UNergonomic musical keyboard/manual, as it has =   developed over the centuries. Keeping the wrists LOW in relation to the fingers will hasten CTS in almost all examples.   CTS is quite real, and quite debilitating. Only 10 years ago, top management from General Telephone was dismissing it as a "female problem", =   or a "disability gambit", and management from AT&T, although having signed =   a labor contract mandating ergonomic workstations, refused to comply. After being hammered in the corporate head with a few hundred successful Workman's Compensation suits, as well as some Unfair Labor Practices, both corporations suddenly found ergonomic workstations to be worthwhile. Interestingly, AT&T refused to provide such workstations to workers in new, non-union subsidiaries, and workers demanding them were routinely fired.   >If your organists tries to convince you that one standard type of >stop-control is more ergonomically-correct than another, he is mistaken. ><snip>   Actually, registrational changes do hardly anything to aggravate CTS, but playing upon the manuals has everything to do with it. One might look at the Hope-Jones consoles as a form of "Taylorism", where the increased convenience of stop tabs provides an opportunity to make registrational changes more quickly and with less error. In that sense, yes, the Hope-Jones console is an "efficiency" improvement, and not strictly an "ergonomic", or injury-reducing, one. I daresay that the musical keyboard =   as we have it today, slowly evolved down through the ages as it was, is indeed an injurious device if not used with informed precaution, as is the =   flat/straight computer keyboard. Adding to the potential for injury on = the manuals is the requisite legato, which thus forces the hands into = contorted positions no pianist would ever fool with. As I approached playing again on more-or-less a full time basis, the starting signs of CTS quickly made themselves known, and I found that frequent breaks and the usual anti-CTS exercises helped, but the biggest factor was keeping the wrists fairly = high in relation to the manual's playing surfaces. After I started doing this consciously, the CTS symptoms did not return. This was, however, after a period of abstinence from the console, allowing time for some healing to take place.   DeserTBoB