PipeChat Digest #1668 - Monday, November 20, 2000

 

Re: Clarion/Clairon Winner

  by "Maynard Cuppy" <cuppy.maynard@mcleodusa.net>

re: clairon on Allen

  by "Caroline Kehne" <ckehne@accglobal.net>

Re: Misspelling on an Allen 301

  by "Jim" <bald1@prodigy.net>

Re: Misspelling on an Allen 301

  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>

Re: Misspelling on an Allen 301

  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>

Re: Misspelling on an Allen 301

  by <KurtvonS@aol.com>

Re: Misspelling on an Allen 301

  by <flcg1018@mails.fju.edu.tw>

Re: Organ Building during WWII

  by "s c bournias" <chrisbournias@hotmail.com>

Re: Organ Building during WWII

  by "Noel Jones, AAGO" <gedeckt@usit.net>

RE: Visiting Centreville, VA...

  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>

IU Rosales (was RE: Visiting Centreville, VA...)

  by "Greg" <homza@indiana.edu>

Re: "This Little Light of Mine"

  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>

Re: Organ Building during WWII

  by "Jeffrey Trimble" <jtrimble@cc.ysu.edu>

RE: Jobs

  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>

Re:  bass presence, recording, et al... was: My private popularity !!!

  by <RMaryman@aol.com>

Re: Misspelling on an Allen 301

  by <RMaryman@aol.com>

Re: bass presence, recording, et al... was: My privatepopularity !!!

  by "Ray Thursby" <raythursby@earthlink.net>

RE: Misspelling on an Allen 301

  by "Randy Terry" <randyterry@laumc.org>

Fwd: in search for albert hintz (hinsz)

  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>

Re: bass presence, recording, et al... was: My privatepopularity !!!

  by <TRACKELECT@cs.com>

Re: My private popularity !!!

  by "WDBabcock" <WDBabcock@email.msn.com>

Questionable Stop Names

  by "Bob Kinner" <rkinner@one.net>

 


(back) Subject: Re: Clarion/Clairon Winner From: "Maynard Cuppy" <cuppy.maynard@mcleodusa.net> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 06:34:42 -0600   Bob Kinner wrote:   > Thanks for the responses! This is my choice for the winner. Reason: It > doesn't sound like a real Clarion/Clarion. > > Maynard Cuppy wrote: > > > Maybe they meant Clairol (not the real color). > > Maynard > > -- > Bob Kinner AA8FH rkinner@one.net > Thanks. Never won anything in my life. What's my prize? :)   Maynard   > "If at first you don't succeed, switch to power tools." Red Green > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: re: clairon on Allen From: "Caroline Kehne" <ckehne@accglobal.net> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:06:25 -0500   If you have an 8' trompette on your instrument, the 4' clairon would be the logical choice for an octave chorus reed for a French-style reed chorus.   Robert Pelletier  
(back) Subject: Re: Misspelling on an Allen 301 From: "Jim" <bald1@prodigy.net> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 07:41:15 -0600   Yep, that is a misspelled word. When we first got ours, the technician = was calling it a clarion, and I was seeing clairon. Sort of confused me, but = it just adds fire to the real vs toaster, huh..   Jim H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maynard Cuppy" <cuppy.maynard@mcleodusa.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 6:28 AM Subject: Re: Misspelling on an Allen 301     > Maybe they meant Clairol (not the real color). > Maynard > > Bob Kinner wrote: > > > The Clarion 4' stop tab on our 301 is spelled "Clairon." I assume = this > > is a misspelling as I've never heard of a Clairon. True? > > > > Bob > > -- > > Bob Kinner AA8FH rkinner@one.net > > "If at first you don't succeed, switch to power tools." Red Green > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: Misspelling on an Allen 301 From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:50:23 -0500   once again, let me repeat this: the stop names are NOT misspelled. Sometimes, organs will have their stops written in either french or german (besides english). The Allen 603D that I play regularly has the = following...   "contre bourdon 32" instead of "contra bourdon 32" "prinzipal" instead of "principal" "salizional" instead of "salicional" "nasat" instead of "nazard" "terz" instead of "tierce" "mixtur" instead of "mixture" "hautbois" instead of "oboe" "clairon" instead of "clarion" "trompette" and "trompete" instead of "trumpet"   the technician calling it a "clarion" is fine. He called it by it's = english name. Organs don't make it a habit of allowing spelling mistakes to slip = by. So, once again----they're NOT misspelled, but rather written in french.   Carlo    
(back) Subject: Re: Misspelling on an Allen 301 From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:28:39 EST   Remember the old Allen controls?   "Diapasons become Duclianas" "Flutes become Open"   Bench becomes Uncomfortable...   SMG  
(back) Subject: Re: Misspelling on an Allen 301 From: <KurtvonS@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:30:36 EST     --part1_6.e2c47d7.274a8f8c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 11/20/00 8:29:56 AM Central Standard Time, TubaMagna@aol.com writes:     > Bench becomes Uncomfortable... > >   Organist becomes Confused.....   --part1_6.e2c47d7.274a8f8c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 11/20/00 8:29:56 AM Central Standard Time, <BR>TubaMagna@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Bench becomes = Uncomfortable... <BR> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>Organist becomes Confused.....</FONT></HTML>   --part1_6.e2c47d7.274a8f8c_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Misspelling on an Allen 301 From: <flcg1018@mails.fju.edu.tw> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 22:47:23 +0800 (CST)       On Mon, 20 Nov 2000 TubaMagna@aol.com wrote:   > Remember the old Allen controls? > > "Diapasons become Duclianas" > "Flutes become Open"     Yes --- I had to play such an instrument in the summer of 1999 at a church...     uggghhhhh! I found the instrument very difficult to play and very difficult to register...   I note that the same church is presently seeking a new organist... am not surprised, considering the instrument and considering the salary that is being offered...   Best wishes to all...     Morton Belcher        
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Building during WWII From: "s c bournias" <chrisbournias@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:30:44 EST   <html><DIV> <P><BR><BR></P>The American firms began doing war work. Moller was = involved with airplane wings and the display diapson chorus in the factory = was sold because it would have been subject to damage owing to heat or = humidity of the war work. The pipes went to Youngstown Ohio where they are = to this day....Steve Bournias</DIV><p><hr>Get Your Private, Free E-mail = from MSN Hotmail at <a = href=3D"http://www.hotmail.com">http://www.hotmail.com</a>.<p>Share = information about yourself, create your own public profile at <a = href=3D"http://profiles.msn.com">http://profiles.msn.com = </a>.<br></p></html>  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Building during WWII From: "Noel Jones, AAGO" <gedeckt@usit.net> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:35:35 -0500   Jeffrey Trimble, a fine organist, plays them every Sunday at Triniy = United Methodist off the square in downtown Youngstown. Organ rebuilt by Shantz about ten years ago.   I played it prior to the work. Magnificent organ. --   Noel Jones, AAGO gedeckt@usit.net   Moderator, Rodgers Organ Discussion Group www.frogmusic.com/rodgersorgan.html   > The > pipes went to Youngstown Ohio where they are to this day....Steve = Bournias > = ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - >    
(back) Subject: RE: Visiting Centreville, VA... From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:17:12 -0600   Greg:   Any further progress on the IU Rosales? I saw it in place last month, but no one I talked with seemed to know if it produces sound yet.   Cheers,   Peter    
(back) Subject: IU Rosales (was RE: Visiting Centreville, VA...) From: "Greg" <homza@indiana.edu> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:27:01 -0500 (EST)   On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Storandt, Peter wrote:   > Any further progress on the IU Rosales? I saw it in place last month, = but > no one I talked with seemed to know if it produces sound yet.   Peter (and listers),   It's been a long time in coming, but our P&S/Rosales is starting to take shape. As you probably saw, the case, facade, lots of the winding, and several other ranks of pipes are in, and last I heard, Manuel was doing some voicing work on what was there. But it's not really up and playing just yet.   Last I heard, we hope it will be done late in the spring, have the summer to settle, and be dedicated in the fall.   I'm sure more information will be forthcoming as the instrument nears completion.   And while I'm sending this message, DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE I CAN PRACTICE near Centreville, VA? Even within 20 or so miles... I leave tomorrow morning!!!   Thanks, -greg homza bloomington, IN      
(back) Subject: Re: "This Little Light of Mine" From: <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:39:01 EST   In a message dated 11/19/00 7:44:45 PM Central Standard Time, Tspiggle@aol.com writes:   << "This Little Gospel Light of Mine, Variations" by Keith Kolander = #976850 CPH is available from www.franticorganist.com. >>   Thanks for the help!   John  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Building during WWII From: "Jeffrey Trimble" <jtrimble@cc.ysu.edu> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:22:02 -0500   And from the horses mouth:   That set of Diapasons was purchased around 1942 when it was known that the pipes would be melted down. Trinity had already signed a contract with Moller to build after the war. The pipes in the shop were used at the 1939 (?!) worlds fair, designed and voiced by Richard Whitelegg, the then tonal director at Moeller.   The original chorus disposition (and there are more ranks besides those below on the Great Division):   16' Violine 8' Diapason I 4' Octave 2 2/3 Octave Quint 2 Super Octive III Mixture IV Harmonics III-V Cornet   It is a "wooly" sound...a little rough around the edges, but not a lush-usually-thought Moeller sound. Perhaps a precurser of the Orgelbewegung to come.   The 16' Violine was eventually continued down to a full length 32' in the Pedal Division. NICE!   At 11:35 AM 11/20/00 -0500, Noel Jones, AAGO wrote: >Jeffrey Trimble, a fine organist, plays them every Sunday at Triniy = United >Methodist off the square in downtown Youngstown. Organ rebuilt by Shantz >about ten years ago. > >I played it prior to the work. Magnificent organ. >-- > >Noel Jones, AAGO >gedeckt@usit.net > >Moderator, Rodgers Organ Discussion Group >www.frogmusic.com/rodgersorgan.html > >> The >> pipes went to Youngstown Ohio where they are to this day....Steve = Bournias >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - >> > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >   Jeffrey A. Trimble Asst. Catalog Librarian Youngstown State University Youngstown, OH jtrimble@cc.ysu.edu (330) 742-2483  
(back) Subject: RE: Jobs From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 13:42:02 -0600   This should be an extraordinary opportunity. When I was there yesterday, the setting was alive with people enjoying one of the great city parks in the US.   Peter   -----Original Message----- From: p.wilson2@juno.com [mailto:p.wilson2@juno.com] Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 3:52 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: Jobs         On Sat, 18 Nov 2000 11:58:57 EST Puppydawgbreath@cs.com writes: > In a message dated 11/18/00 10:50:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, > snyder@skyenet.net writes: > > << I'll be looking seriously > soon for either full time or a decent part-time where I can then > pursue private and school music teachings as well. >> > > In what area are you looking for a job? The Jacksonville, Fl AGO > publishes their job listing each month in their newsletter.   The position of Civic Organist in San Diego will be open soon. Robert Plimpton has resigned, effective 1st November. I'm going to the concert tomorrow and will try to get more details then. Otherwise, it'll have to wait till Monday.   Shalom, Preston p.wilson2@juno.com   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: bass presence, recording, et al... was: My private popularity !!! From: <RMaryman@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:04:31 EST   In a message dated 11/18/00 6:49:37 PM EST, Innkawgneeto@webtv.net writes:   << In an otherwise wonderful instrument, my only complaint is that the pedal principal still doesn't have as strong a presence as I would like. Can that be adjusted, I wonder? >> Maybe... your local service provider is pehaps the best person to ask = about this since he/she knows THAT organ best. As far as bass presence on the >recording<, that may depend on the microphone's sensitivity in the bass frequencies. some mic's that are designed for voice (likee the Sennheiser mics used exgtensively in the broadcast industry) have a 'bass proximity' effect that causes the mike to be more 'bass sensitive' when used very = close to the person speaking - otherwise the bass response rolls off = considerably ....SO... you may need to use mics with a tendency to have a more flat response or a recording console with equalization good enough to boost otherwise deficient low-frequency sound. (IMHO) Recording pipe organs can = be a most frustrating endevour unless you are equipped with some pretty good recording gear (also IMHO).   Rick M Staunton VA  
(back) Subject: Re: Misspelling on an Allen 301 From: <RMaryman@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:35:25 EST   In a message dated 11/20/00 8:51:30 AM EST, organist@total.net writes:   << The Allen 603D that I play regularly has the following... "contre bourdon 32" instead of "contra bourdon 32" "prinzipal" instead of "principal" "salizional" instead of "salicional" "nasat" instead of "nazard" "terz" instead of "tierce" "mixtur" instead of "mixture" "hautbois" instead of "oboe" "clairon" instead of "clarion" "trompette" and "trompete" instead of "trumpet" >> AND let us not forget the unique feature of the 600 series (dual = computers) that allows you to have >celeste ANYTHING< such as Celeste Trompete, = celeste mixtur, and the really neat feature which allows you to program different voices = on the left and right computers (gives a really unique spin on a Cor Anglais when combined with a 4' Harmonic flute)!!! Rick M Staunton, VA  
(back) Subject: Re: bass presence, recording, et al... was: My privatepopularity !!! From: "Ray Thursby" <raythursby@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:38:39 -0800   Beyond Rick Maynard's suggestions regarding recording equipment, another major faqctor in the relative strength or weakness of certain sounds and pitches can be affected by the room in which the organ is located. A room may be prone to the creation of standing wave phenomena, in which (typically) bass notes are exaggerated or weakened, for example.   Regardless of recording equipment used--and high-quality mikes, mixers and recorders are worth using--it's always a good idea to try setting up mikes in various parts of the room to see how results differ before determining that the pipes themselves need to be worked on. There should a spot where the best balance between bass, midrange, treble and suppression of mechanical noise (blower, shutters, action, etc.) is found. All too often, it's nowhere near the console!   And that dioesn't even get into the area of playback equipment and its effect on what you hear!   Ray Thursby    
(back) Subject: RE: Misspelling on an Allen 301 From: "Randy Terry" <randyterry@laumc.org> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:49:17 -0800   A 1980's Allen I played had split computers and I had forgotten about the celeste deal, which could be looked at as a bit of a disadvantage <grin> = by some.   We didn't have a 32' Bourdon, but I enjoyed putting the transposer all the way down and putting on my slush registration, playing up an octave or two in the manuals, and playing the pedal in the bass. Got nice 32' pitch = with the regular speakers for about 5 or 6 half steps in the upper register of the low octave of the pedals, but only useful for soft improvisations.   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of RMaryman@aol.com Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 2:35 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: Misspelling on an Allen 301     In a message dated 11/20/00 8:51:30 AM EST, organist@total.net writes:   << The Allen 603D that I play regularly has the following...   "contre bourdon 32" instead of "contra bourdon 32" "prinzipal" instead of "principal" "salizional" instead of "salicional" "nasat" instead of "nazard" "terz" instead of "tierce" "mixtur" instead of "mixture" "hautbois" instead of "oboe" "clairon" instead of "clarion" "trompette" and "trompete" instead of "trumpet" >> AND let us not forget the unique feature of the 600 series (dual = computers) that allows you to have >celeste ANYTHING< such as Celeste Trompete, = celeste mixtur, and the really neat feature which allows you to program different voices = on the left and right computers (gives a really unique spin on a Cor Anglais when combined with a 4' Harmonic flute)!!! Rick M Staunton, VA   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Fwd: in search for albert hintz (hinsz) From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:45:05 -0600   The following was sent to the PipeChat Administrators. If anyone on the list can help this person please respond to him at the address below, not to the list, unless you also think your reply might be of interest to the other members of the list.   Happy PipeChatting   David     >From: Strafella Georg <Strafella.Georg@lsag.com> >To: "'admin@pipechat.org'" <admin@pipechat.org> >Subject: in search for albert hintz (hinsz) >Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 16:21:41 +0100 >Importance: high >X-Priority: 1 >Sender: <admin@pipechat.org> > >dear sirs, i'm looking for any information about albert anthony hinsz >(hintz), an german born builder of organs. he is said to have built = organs >mostly in the netherlands (born 1704, died in 1785). that's all i know. >since i assume he might have been a relative(ancestor) i would really >appreciate any help or information. >faithfully >georg strafella/austria   -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: bass presence, recording, et al... was: My privatepopularity !!! From: <TRACKELECT@cs.com> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 18:46:17 EST   If you are not getting enough Pedal Principal and are getting enough = Bourdon then the recording gear is not to blame. My "other life" is a sound = engineer and loudspeaker designer. A 16' principal does not have a lot of = fundamental (metal Principal, NOT open wood - they have gobs of fundamental!). So it = is probably not because the response of your microphones does not go down far =   enough. The best recordings today are made with two (left / right channel) =   good condenser microphones placed in a "sweet spot." The microphones plug directly into the digital recorder. Simple as that. Gone are the days of multiple mic's with mixing consoles, equalizers, notch filters, etc. Recording companies may "enhance" the recordings afterwards but with organ =   this is rarely necessary. I have no idea what kind of gear you are using. = Why don't you send a post of what you have been recording with (brand and = model numbers) and also what you have been listening with? The listening = equipment makes a big difference too. As far as making the pedal principal louder, = that falls into the realm of regulation. It may be possible to open up the = gates on some of the larger ones, retune and leave it at that. They won't have gates in the upper end (if they even have them in the bass) so if you want =   them louder in that range the toes will have to be opened. Either way this =   will require a special visit from the organ service man and will not be covered by the service contract. My advice is to think long and hard about =   adjusting the volume of this or any other rank. perhaps there is a good reason why the builder set them at that volume. They may become unstable = if they are opened up.   Cheers:   Alan B  
(back) Subject: Re: My private popularity !!! From: "WDBabcock" <WDBabcock@email.msn.com> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 19:15:19 -0600   You should be able to have it voiced up a bit, and the upper work toned down a bit. Unless you're an experienced voicer it is not a do-it-yourself project. Get someone whose work you have heard. William D. "Bill" Babcock WDBabcock@msn.com wbabcock@lansing.lib.il.us My goal is to be the person my dog thinks I am. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 5:48 PM Subject: My private popularity !!!     > I'm overwhelmed at my popularity on this list, albeit supposed to be > private. LOL. Bruce and Bob are duly forgiven. > > I made a recording of my playing today on our Schantz II/24 and I was > quite pleased with how the organ sounded ON TAPE. I'm not speaking of > my playing, just the fact of being able to hear the organ through the > ears of a microphone. > > I have obviously toned down my penchant for upperwork, because my > playing didn't seem to scream in 2 and 1 foot levels as it did > previously. In an otherwise wonderful instrument, my only complaint is > that the pedal principal still doesn't have as strong a presence as I > would like. Can that be adjusted, I wonder? > > It's quite a revealing experience. I would recommend you all do that in > your own situations from time to time. > > Neil > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >        
(back) Subject: Questionable Stop Names From: "Bob Kinner" <rkinner@one.net> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:32:36 -0500   As a follow-up to the Clarion/Clairon thread:   Around 1970 I went with a friend to see a new Allen that had been installed in 1st Presby church, Oxford, OH - replacing a venerable old Moller of good size.   While trying out the instrument, my friend noticed a stop labeled "Octabells," and asked the music director what it was.   The director, apparently not thrilled with the toaster, quipped: "Two sets of Tetrabells."   Bob -- Bob Kinner AA8FH rkinner@one.net "If at first you don't succeed, switch to power tools." Red Green