PipeChat Digest #1670 - Wednesday, November 22, 2000

 

Re: bass presence, recording, et al... was: My privatepopularity!!!

  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>

Re: A nice start for a Monday, and perhaps a lesson for us all...<long>

  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>

Re: A nice start for a Monday..

  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>

Re: bass presence, recording, et al... was: My privatepopularity!!!

  by <TRACKELECT@cs.com>

Re: A nice start for a Monday..

  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>

New Book on Clarence Eddy

  by "William T. Van Pelt" <organsoc3@organsociety.org>

Tournemire: L'Orgue Mystique

  by "William T. Van Pelt" <organsoc3@organsociety.org>

Virgil Fox Memorial Concert on CD

  by "William T. Van Pelt" <organsoc3@organsociety.org>

Re: Further documentation for PC Organ?

  by <support@opensystemsorgans.com>

Fantasia on ADESTE FIDELES

  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>

Re: A nice start for a Monday, and perhaps a lesson for us all...<long>

  by <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>

RE: A nice start for a Monday, and perhaps a lesson for us all...	<long>

  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>

Re: A nice start for a Monday, and perhaps a lesson for usall...<long>

  by "Maynard Cuppy" <cuppy.maynard@mcleodusa.net>

Re:Harris products

  by <TRACKELECT@cs.com>

NYC Choral/Orch/Organ Concert 12/3

  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>

Re: Harris products contact info

  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>

Re: A nice start for a Monday..

  by "WDBabcock" <WDBabcock@email.msn.com>

Re:  Re:Harris products / Thanks

  by <TRACKELECT@cs.com>

Blowers

  by "Louis Katz" <Louis.Katz@mail.tamucc.edu>

Re: Blowers

  by <TRACKELECT@cs.com>

Re: Blowers- what not to use IMHO

  by <GRSCoLVR@aol.com>

 


(back) Subject: Re: bass presence, recording, et al... was: My privatepopularity!!! From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 07:55:11 -0500   Speaking of speakers...I was somewhat amazed at the "speaker" we had = behind the movie screen at the Tampa Theatre. Made in the twenties/thirties, the speaker looked like a giant ear-cochlea mounted in an angle-iron frame. A friend collects old Victor, Brunswick and Edison phonographs, and some = of their speakers are the 'ear-cochlea' design and six-feet long coiled up. Some even have organ swell shades in front.   Rick      
(back) Subject: Re: A nice start for a Monday, and perhaps a lesson for us all...<long> From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 08:05:36 -0500   Tim-   Wonderful, uplifting story. I'll bet your impromptu-playing sparked an interest-bug in some of those kids. Who knows- you may have a new key holder-downer person one day!   Rick      
(back) Subject: Re: A nice start for a Monday.. From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 21:53:26 +0800   Children can be very interested in the pipe organ if someone takes the = time to introduce them to it. IN my small church I have been giving lessons to 6 children aged between = 12 and 17. All are keen and making good progress. Most had some piano experience before I started with them , but two started straight onto pipe organ; one is doing well, and the other has only just started so that it = is early days yet.. The 17 year old has already played in church for a hymn = and the others will get that opportunity too later. Three have already played one of the coluntaries in a service. Four entered the local music = eisteddfod in the organ section last year and gained good marks (in the high 80s). = They will all enter next year. The catch? I don't get a penny for it nor have I asked for anything. Two = are my grandchildren, but the other are just junior members of the church, = four in my church choir. In my 47 years in primary school teaching I found that kids can do = anything if there is the incentive there. Sometimes I have been astonished at what they can achieve. I think that sometimes we under-rate them and so do not expect them to achieve what they can achieve. Bob Elms.   Innkawgneeto@webtv.net wrote:   > Tim, you have proven that children will live up to whatever expectations > we have of them (almost without exception). >    
(back) Subject: Re: bass presence, recording, et al... was: My privatepopularity!!! From: <TRACKELECT@cs.com> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 09:02:32 EST   In a message dated 11/21/00 7:59:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, dutchorgan@svs.net writes:   << Speaking of speakers...I was somewhat amazed at the "speaker" we had = behind the movie screen at the Tampa Theatre. Made in the twenties/thirties, the speaker looked like a giant ear-cochlea mounted in an angle-iron frame. = >>   Wow! This is an early horn type speaker. I'd love to see it. I have a computer program that computes the horn's mouth diameter for every = centimeter of it's length. Those old designers were going "by ear." Of course this resulted in a lot of coloration and gave these old speakers a very distinctive sound. Even properly designed horn speakers add a certain = amount of coloration. That's why I never use them. They are however very = efficient. That is why they were very common in the days before transistors when a 30 =   watt amplifier was considered "high power." Horn loaded speakers are still =   common in public address and sound reinforcement at rock shows with their deafening volume levels. I recently saw a show where the bass speakers of = the PA were of a horn type and the bass drum actually produced a definite = pitch around GGG instead of the nice tight thump that it should. Room acoustics = and the settings made by the troglodytes running the system probably played a part in this as well.   Cheers:   Alan B  
(back) Subject: Re: A nice start for a Monday.. From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 22:55:18 +0800   I forgot to mention that the organ section in the eisteddfod was for = novice, with ior without pedals. It was a section put in for children or anyone = with some piano expertise to try the organ. Sorry! They're not THAT good! B.E.   Bob Elms wrote:   > . Four entered the local music eisteddfod > in the organ section last year and gained good marks (in the high 80s). = They > will all enter next year. > The catch? I don't get a penny for it nor have I asked for anything. Two = are        
(back) Subject: New Book on Clarence Eddy From: "William T. Van Pelt" <organsoc3@organsociety.org> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 10:17:00 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0047_01C053A4.2FDF9E20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Hot off the press at OHS is William Osborne's new, hardbound, biography = =3D of Clarence Eddy, the New Englander-turned-Chicagoan-and-Parisian who =3D became very well known as a concert organist both in the U. S. and in =3D Europe. In 412 pages, the author examines details of Eddy's life, =3D including his two marriages: the first to a very wealthy heiress who was = =3D also a singer -- together they established a music school in Chicago. He = =3D consulted on organs, composed, had very extensive concert tours in the =3D U. S. and Europe, and also published a well-known organ method, all of =3D which are extensively examined by the author of this new book. Available = =3D from OHS at http://www.ohscatalog.org   Bill     ------=3D_NextPart_000_0047_01C053A4.2FDF9E20 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Hot off the press at OHS is William = =3D Osborne's new,=3D20 hardbound, biography of Clarence Eddy, the New=3D20 Englander-turned-Chicagoan-and-Parisian who became very well known as a = =3D concert=3D20 organist both in the U. S. and in Europe. In 412 pages, the author =3D examines=3D20 details of Eddy's life, including his two marriages: the first to a very = =3D wealthy=3D20 heiress who was also a singer -- together they established a music =3D school in=3D20 Chicago. He consulted on organs, composed, had very extensive concert =3D tours in=3D20 the U. S. and Europe, and also published a well-known organ method, all = =3D of which=3D20 are extensively examined by the author of this new book. Available from = =3D OHS at=3D20 <A =3D href=3D3D"http://www.ohscatalog.org">http://www.ohscatalog.org</A></FONT></= =3D DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Bill<BR></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0047_01C053A4.2FDF9E20--    
(back) Subject: Tournemire: L'Orgue Mystique From: "William T. Van Pelt" <organsoc3@organsociety.org> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 10:26:35 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0050_01C053A5.8637FFA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Charles Tournemire's "L'Orgue Mystique," a collection of 255 organ works = =3D for use in the Roman Catholic Mass and specific to each of the 51 =3D Sundays and Feast Days in the liturgical year, is now being recorded in = =3D its entirety. Sandro M=3DFCller (b. 1955) plays several interesting organs = =3D that are well recorded. Eight single volumes are now available of an =3D announced 16-CD series. http://www.ohscatalog.org   Bill   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0050_01C053A5.8637FFA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Charles Tournemire's "L'Orgue =3D Mystique," a=3D20 collection of 255 organ works&nbsp;for use&nbsp;in the Roman Catholic =3D Mass and=3D20 specific to each of the 51 Sundays and Feast Days in the liturgical =3D year, is now=3D20 being recorded in its entirety. Sandro M=3DFCller (b. 1955) plays = several=3D20 interesting organs that are well recorded. Eight single volumes are = now=3D20 available of an announced 16-CD series. <A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://www.ohscatalog.org">http://www.ohscatalog.org</A></FONT></= =3D DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Bill</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0050_01C053A5.8637FFA0--    
(back) Subject: Virgil Fox Memorial Concert on CD From: "William T. Van Pelt" <organsoc3@organsociety.org> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 10:37:08 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_005D_01C053A6.FFE2BCE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   The Virgil Fox Memorial Concert given at Riverside Church on October 8, = =3D 2000, is now available on a 2-CD set (for the price of one CD) at =3D http://www.ohscatalog.org   Bill     ------=3D_NextPart_000_005D_01C053A6.FFE2BCE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>The Virgil Fox Memorial Concert given = =3D at Riverside=3D20 Church on October 8, 2000, is now available on a 2-CD set (for the price = =3D of one=3D20 CD) at <A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://www.ohscatalog.org">http://www.ohscatalog.org</A></FONT></= =3D DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Bill<BR></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_005D_01C053A6.FFE2BCE0--    
(back) Subject: Re: Further documentation for PC Organ? From: <support@opensystemsorgans.com> Date: 21 Nov 2000 08:10:57 -0800   Allow me to emphasize that the problem with couplers that Mick's message = describes is a limitation of BB, not MIDI. Software that is designed to = implement couplers can do it just fine. The same applies to tremulants.   Dick Meckstroth      
(back) Subject: Fantasia on ADESTE FIDELES From: <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 13:33:56 EST   Has anyone played the Fantasia on ADESTE FIDELES by Bruce Neswick? Is it = any good? Is it learnable between now and Christmas? I've not seen the music = so I don't have a clue.   Thanks,   John  
(back) Subject: Re: A nice start for a Monday, and perhaps a lesson for us all...<long> From: <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:26:47 -0500 (EST)   Tim, just had a thought. Why don't you submit your story to the "American Organist" magazine? Why should we onliners be the sole beneficiaries?   Neil B.    
(back) Subject: RE: A nice start for a Monday, and perhaps a lesson for us all... <long> From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:27:36 -0600   Hear! Hear!   Peter   -----Original Message----- From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net [mailto:Innkawgneeto@webtv.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 2:27 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: A nice start for a Monday, and perhaps a lesson for us all...<long>     Tim, just had a thought. Why don't you submit your story to the "American Organist" magazine? Why should we onliners be the sole beneficiaries?   Neil B.     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: A nice start for a Monday, and perhaps a lesson for usall...<long> From: "Maynard Cuppy" <cuppy.maynard@mcleodusa.net> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 17:59:06 -0600   Innkawgneeto@webtv.net wrote:   > Tim, just had a thought. Why don't you submit your story to the > "American Organist" magazine? Why should we onliners be the sole > beneficiaries? > > Tim,   What a great story. I agree, the AO readers would appreciate it to. It also offered me some encouragement for next summer. I've been asked to perform on the faculty-staff recital at our All-State Music Camp in June. (I'm usually just that mean old guy that sits in the office.) I had about decided to take the easy way out (practice time on the mighty Casavant is hard to come by if your not an organ student) and play a couple Krebs chorale preludes, but now I think maybe I should go with my first thought and work up something that would be more exciting for high school students, such as one of those French toccatas. Guess I'd better start practicing.   Now comes the commercial, since I have everyone's attention. We are revamping our music camp this year. The first week will be for band, orchestra and choir. The second week will be jazz, percussion and ORGAN. This is the first time we've offered more than a single organ class, and the graduate students who have taught it in the past have never performed on the recital. Don't know why.   If any of you know of any high school organists (or singers or instrumentalists for that matter) who might be interested you can contact me at this e-mail address or the camp director at kevin-kastens@uiowa.edu. Information will be available after the first of the year. The camp is called "All-State" but we are happy to have students from all over. We've had them from as far away as Alaska, and last year we had a group from Brazil.   Hope you'll pardon this blatant attempt to drum up business. Once again, Tim, great story. I can imagine how great it must make you feel.   Maynard Cuppy Executive Secretary University of Iowa All-State Music Camp Titulaire First Baptist Church Iowa City Iowa   > Neil B. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re:Harris products From: <TRACKELECT@cs.com> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 19:53:28 EST   Does anyone know if Harris Precision Products (makers of console controls) =   has a website or e-mail address? I seem to have lost their catalog and = need to purchase some drawknob units for the opus 1 Electric Tracker Action = organ that I have spoken of. We are finally getting around to building a proper console for it.   Thanks:   Alan B  
(back) Subject: NYC Choral/Orch/Organ Concert 12/3 From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 19:53:35 EST   THE FIRST PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH IN THE CITY OF NEW YORK   presents   Music for Soloists, Orchestra, Choir, Piano Four Hands, and Organ   SUNDAY AFTERNOON, 3 DECEMBER, 2000 at 4:00   Johann Sebastian Bach (1685-1750): MAGNIFICAT Ottorino Respighi (1879-1936): LAUD TO THE NATIVITY Johann Michael Haydn (1737-1806): ANIMA NOSTRA   Ellen Goff Entriken, soprano Cheryl Zilinyi, mezzo-soprano Michael Smallwood, tenor Andrew Martens, bass Walter Hilse, organ Constance Cooper and Walter Hilse, piano four hands (Respighi)   The First Presbyterian Church Orchestra The First Presbyterian Church Choir William F. Entriken, Director of Music   The First Presbyterian Church in the City of New York Fifth Avenue from Eleventh to Twelfth Streets   4,5,6,N,R, and L trains to Union Square; 1,2,3, and 9 trains to = Fourteenth Street   Please say hello if you attend     Sebastian Matthaus Gluck Tonal Director Gluck New York. Incorporated Pipe Organ Conservators, Architects, and Builders  
(back) Subject: Re: Harris products contact info From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 20:01:07 EST   Best to call David Harris and his engineers on the phone; they can = discuss applications, lead time, polarities, etc. I don't believe they have a website.   Harris Precision Products 7047 S. Comstock Avenue Whittier, CA 90602 (562) 693-3442   Sebastian Matthaus Gluck New York City  
(back) Subject: Re: A nice start for a Monday.. From: "WDBabcock" <WDBabcock@email.msn.com> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 19:12:46 -0600   No there's a place for prayer in church. Do you think it'll ever catch on. Not as exciting as catting up about your fellow congregants hats (yeah I'm that old), ties, suits, dates, etc. William D. "Bill" Babcock WDBabcock@msn.com wbabcock@lansing.lib.il.us My goal is to be the person my dog thinks I am. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 10:17 PM Subject: Re: A nice start for a Monday..     > Tim, you have proven that children will live up to whatever expectations > we have of them (almost without exception). And, if they are not told > that organ music is scary, boring, or whatever negative adjective we can > throw on it, then they will probably NOT consider organ music scary, > boring, or whatever. > > At my church, I have given little demonstrations to the nursery school > children, and they are always thrilled with the sounds. One year, we > even let the children climb into the great chamber (it was > nerve-wracking, but they all made it down to ground zero alive and > intact). > > Before the change in staff, I usually would teach 2 or 3 sessions of > confirmation class, culminating in a trip to the organ chamber. > Unfortunately, I'm no longer given the opportunity. Alas. > > Peace to you all, > Neil B. > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >        
(back) Subject: Re: Re:Harris products / Thanks From: <TRACKELECT@cs.com> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 23:42:08 EST   Thanks to all for help finding Harris prod. They are sending me a catalog. AAB  
(back) Subject: Blowers From: "Louis Katz" <Louis.Katz@mail.tamucc.edu> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 23:00:55 -0600   Hi, I am relatively new to the list. I am working on my pipe organ soldering and am a a point where I need to by a blower. I have been getting specs on organ blowers and they seem awfully like the blowers on dust collectors = for wood shops. I am looking at a Delta dust collector that has a blower with = a static pressure of 11" W.C. and 1200 CFM (free air I believe). It is powered by a 1.5 horse electric motor direct drive. Does this sound like a reasonable blower? The whole dust collector costs about $ 260. It is cheaper to buy the whole thing than to get just the blower. My spec sheet is at work and if I remember coreectly it is 70 decibels as a dust collector.   Louis Katz I will probably not get to read the resposes for a few days.      
(back) Subject: Re: Blowers From: <TRACKELECT@cs.com> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 00:11:08 EST   In a message dated 11/21/00 11:52:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, Louis.Katz@mail.tamucc.edu writes:   << Hi, I am relatively new to the list. I am working on my pipe organ soldering and am a a point where I need to by a blower. I have been getting specs = on organ blowers and they seem awfully like the blowers on dust collectors = for wood shops. I am looking at a Delta dust collector that has a blower with = a static pressure of 11" W.C. and 1200 CFM (free air I believe). It is powered by a 1.5 horse electric motor direct drive. Does this sound like a reasonable blower? The whole dust collector costs about $ 260. It is cheaper to buy the whole thing than to get just the blower. My spec sheet is at work and if I remember coreectly it is 70 decibels as a dust collector. >>   No! Don't use a dust collector blower on an organ! It is way too noisy and =   probably is not designed to run for long periods like an organ blower. At that price it has a cheap motor and you will be lucky if it lasts a year. = I bought a cheap Taiwan drill press and it burnt up the motor after less = than a year while drilling toe boards. Save up for a White or Zephyr blower or a used Spencer. Post a wanted ad on Church Organ Trader. Build some bellows = and hire a kid to pump but don't use a dust collector blower.   Alan (Herr Kasdenbalg) B  
(back) Subject: Re: Blowers- what not to use IMHO From: <GRSCoLVR@aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 00:35:02 EST   Heres another 2 cents worth on blowers,,,and from the same state as Alan B =   too---Niew Joisey,,,the highest density population state! I am a mostly retired tech these days. Last year I agreed to help a young fellow out in installing a residence organ in his basement. He had already =   bought a dust collector type motor/blower set from Grainger. It spins at 3300 rpm and is N O I S Y . We used it for a while and got 6r playing and =   all the leaks chased and repaired,,but it was still noisy,,,even in = another room. Finally I got word of a used Orgoblo for free,,,so off we went to get = it,,,, Horse and a half Century motor on it spinnin at 1140 rpm. NICE,,,,quiet!, = 5 inch wind,,no problem. Took the Century all apart and cleaned and = de-gunked everything, reinsulated the fields, brought out new leads, put it all back =   together,,,balanced statically and dynamically (all this so the owner wont =   have to concern himself long after I am 6 ft under) It now sits and purrs just like the Organ Power Department of Spencer Turbine intended it to. = The orgoblo will keep a nickel standing on edge on the top of its case thru startups,,,shutdowns, and hours of running,,,no problems. Since then 8 = more ranks have been added and the organ is near complete. We do use the dust collector blower though---its got a flex line on it = that can run outdoors and suck up all the dust and wood chips in the basement,,,MUCH better than an electrolux. I agree with Alan,,,,,,DONT attempt to use a dust collector blower. My .02 cents---- ---Roc L V Rockafellow