PipeChat Digest #1678 - Wednesday, November 29, 2000

 

Re: Update, November 28 - Good news

  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>

Nikolaus in U.S.A./Canada

  by <Chris_Johns@gmx.de>

Re: Nikolaus in U.S.A./Canada

  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>

Re: Descant needed for "Silent Night" x-post

  by <Gamelpt@aol.com>

Vickie

  by "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com>

Re:Descant for Silent Night

  by <Bobmac36@aol.com>

Re: Nikolaus in U.S.A./Canada

  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>

Poodles, Shoes and other Traditions

  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net>

Advent Music

  by <CdyVanpool@aol.com>

Re: Poodles, Shoes and other Traditions

  by "Jim" <bald1@prodigy.net>

Laws on Liturgy regarding Advent/Christmas music

  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>

Re: Laws on Liturgy regarding Advent/Christmas music

  by "Jeffrey Trimble" <jtrimble@cc.ysu.edu>

RE: advent music flor peeters

  by "Randy Terry" <randyterry@laumc.org>

Advent Music For Organ

  by "Patricia/Thomas Gregory" <tgregory@speeddial.net>

Re: Advent Music For Organ

  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>

Re: Advent Music For Organ

  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>

Re: Laws on Liturgy regarding Advent/Christmas music

  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>

Re: advent music flor peeters

  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>

Re: advent music flor peeters

  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>

Re: Update, November 28 - Good news

  by "Claire" <fleahopper@earthlink.net>

RE: advent music flor peeters

  by "Randy Terry" <randyterry@laumc.org>

Manz's Wacket auf

  by "Jason Comet" <diaphone64@hotmail.com>

Singing from the Swell - That's Swell!

  by "Jason Comet" <diaphone64@hotmail.com>

Re: Singing from the Swell - That's Swell!

  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>

Revised: Singing from the Swell - That's Swell!

  by "Jason Comet" <diaphone64@hotmail.com>

 


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(back) Subject: Nikolaus in U.S.A./Canada From: <Chris_Johns@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:10:55 +0100 (MET)   Dear friends,   Excuse this off-topic post, I need to know whether North Americans, and particularly Canadians, do anything to mark Dec 6th. In Germany, children leave their shoes out overnight and the "Nikolaus" comes in the night and fills them with chocolate. Do you guys do anything similar? I guess with this being off-topic, you'd better respond privately.   Thanks!!   Chris Johns Frankenstrasse 5, D-49082 Osnabrueck Tel/Fax +49 (0)541 528 2568 EMail: Chris_Johns@gmx.de ***************************************************************************= * ACHTUNG: 11.12.2000 um 20:15 Uhr im Hohen Dom zu Osnabr=FCck DREI ORGELN IM DUETT mit Dominique Sauer und meiner Wenigkeit H=F6rerbeitrag 12,--DM (8,--DM erm=E4=DFigt) ***************************************************************************= *   -- Sent through GMX FreeMail - http://www.gmx.net    
(back) Subject: Re: Nikolaus in U.S.A./Canada From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 06:31:15 -0500   Hi Chris-   I personally don't do anything like that, but mom and dad had a toy poodle years ago. Dad scolded him once and the dog went in dad's closet and left his 'calling card' in one of his shoes! !.........guess he told dad!   Rick      
(back) Subject: Re: Descant needed for "Silent Night" x-post From: <Gamelpt@aol.com> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 08:17:27 EST   Karl, Please e-mail me the descant. John  
(back) Subject: Vickie From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 08:34:56 -0500   Bravo for you, Vickie, prayers continue for you. Judy Ollikkala  
(back) Subject: Re:Descant for Silent Night From: <Bobmac36@aol.com> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:05:34 EST   There is music called "Night of Silence" - published by GIA, I think, and = it is a solo piece, not a descant. However, it was written to be sung with Silent Night. A nice change of pace. In singing it, Silent Night must be =   sung in unison since some of the chords don't "mesh". It's worth a "look-see".  
(back) Subject: Re: Nikolaus in U.S.A./Canada From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:52:39 -0500   > From: Chris_Johns@gmx.de > Subject: Nikolaus in U.S.A./Canada > > Dear friends, > > Excuse this off-topic post, I need to know whether North Americans, and > particularly Canadians, do anything to mark Dec 6th. In Germany, = children > leave their shoes out overnight and the "Nikolaus" comes in the night = and > fills them with chocolate. Do you guys do anything similar? I guess with > this being off-topic, you'd better respond privately.   In my limited experience, Chris, these observances are pretty much limited to urban settings with heavy Polish (etc.) populations. The south side of Milwaukee comes to mind. Likely also Chicago, etc.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Poodles, Shoes and other Traditions From: "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:09:28 -0500       VEAGUE wrote: > > Hi Chris- > > I personally don't do anything like that, but mom and dad had a toy > poodle years ago. > Dad scolded him once and the dog went in dad's closet and left his > 'calling card' in one of his shoes! > !.........guess he told dad!     That anecdote gives the phrase "Knowing your S__T from Shinola" a new and special meaning for all of us as we begin our holiday season.   ;-)  
(back) Subject: Advent Music From: <CdyVanpool@aol.com> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:19:01 EST   Ya'll are playing some nice music there..... Sunday, I will be playing some music by a new composer for me. His name is =   John Hebden Schaffner. He writes really well, I think. He must have not = too large of hands with short fingers like mine, because the music falls too easily under my fingers...<G> He has two Christmas Collections, from Concordia, on the market, "5 Christmas Carols in the Baroque Style" and = "5 More Christmas Carols in the Baroque style." (spent most of his time = writing instead of thinking about names for his collections.....<G>) This Sunday, I am playing his "O Come, O Come..." and his "Pastorale on O Little Town of Bethlehem" .... next Sunday, the Krebbs "Sleepers Awake" = and something else....<G> I probably play more Christmastide than I should, = but I have some wonderful Christmas music and want to play all of = it...<G>besides the congregation wants to hear Christmas music than Advent music....o well....THEY do pay the bills......   Van  
(back) Subject: Re: Poodles, Shoes and other Traditions From: "Jim" <bald1@prodigy.net> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:25:34 -0600   or maybe from chocolate   Jim H ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 9:09 AM Subject: Poodles, Shoes and other Traditions     > > > VEAGUE wrote: > > > > Hi Chris- > > > > I personally don't do anything like that, but mom and dad had a toy > > poodle years ago. > > Dad scolded him once and the dog went in dad's closet and left his > > 'calling card' in one of his shoes! > > !.........guess he told dad! > > > That anecdote gives the phrase "Knowing your S__T from Shinola" a new > and special meaning for all of us as we begin our holiday season. > > ;-) > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Laws on Liturgy regarding Advent/Christmas music From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:33:31 -0500   I don't know about all of you, but I could never play Christmas music = during Advent. They are 2 distinct seasons. Advent has a spirit of joy and anticipation. Up to December 16th, the emphasis is on the coming of Christ in final judgment, and on our preparation in joyful hope by building the kingdom of God on earth: Christ will present this in its perfection to the Father at the end of time. The closing days of Advent emphasize = preparation for Christmas as a time for recalling Jesus' first coming as our savior. = The laws regarding the Catholic Liturgy as dictated by the CCCB (Canadian Conference on Catholic Bishops) strictly say that Christmas music should = NOT be sung/played during Advent. They also state that the Church does not address hymns to the Lord as an infant. At Christmas we remember his = birth, but pray to him as he is now, the risen Lord seated in glory at the = Father's side. The season of Christmas begins on Christmas eve, and end with the Baptism of the Lord.   Carlo    
(back) Subject: Re: Laws on Liturgy regarding Advent/Christmas music From: "Jeffrey Trimble" <jtrimble@cc.ysu.edu> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 11:50:37 -0500   Here's my two cent worth:   In the churches that follow the liturgical calendar, I agree. But many of us who play in mainline protestant churches usually don't have the power to make those choices.   For example, this Sunday, our Opening Hymn is Joy to the World. What a crime. Our minister is closing with Lift High the Cross. I can't figure it out. Can you?       At 10:33 AM 11/29/00 -0500, you wrote: >I don't know about all of you, but I could never play Christmas music = during >Advent. They are 2 distinct seasons. Advent has a spirit of joy and >anticipation. Up to December 16th, the emphasis is on the coming of = Christ >in final judgment, and on our preparation in joyful hope by building the >kingdom of God on earth: Christ will present this in its perfection to = the >Father at the end of time. The closing days of Advent emphasize = preparation >for Christmas as a time for recalling Jesus' first coming as our savior. = The >laws regarding the Catholic Liturgy as dictated by the CCCB (Canadian >Conference on Catholic Bishops) strictly say that Christmas music should = NOT >be sung/played during Advent. They also state that the Church does not >address hymns to the Lord as an infant. At Christmas we remember his = birth, >but pray to him as he is now, the risen Lord seated in glory at the = Father's >side. The season of Christmas begins on Christmas eve, and end with the >Baptism of the Lord. > >Carlo > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > Jeffrey A. Trimble Trinity United Methodist Church Organist Youngstown, Ohio  
(back) Subject: RE: advent music flor peeters From: "Randy Terry" <randyterry@laumc.org> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:01:27 -0800   Oops. Flor Peeters also has a great setting of "come thou long expected jesus" to "stuttgart." It is in a Novello collection. I'll try to dig = that out as it will be nice on the organ I am now playing!   Thankx for the reminder!   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Ben Baldus Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 6:27 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: advent organ music     Dear Maynard & List:   I have a copy of Corliss Arnold's Veni Emmanuel piece if you need one. Also, Flor Peeters wrote a very nice setting of "Es ist ein Ros in his" = 100 volume collection of Hymn Preludes published by C.F. Peters.    
(back) Subject: Advent Music For Organ From: "Patricia/Thomas Gregory" <tgregory@speeddial.net> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 23:15:36 -0600   Greetings:   Two suggestions for Advent Organ Music:   Prelude on "O Come, O Come, Emmanuel" ..... Hal Hopson Saint Cerilia Series H. W. Gray This is not difficult, but does require a number of registration changes.   Seven Preludes on Christmas Hymns ..... Camil Van Hulse Concordia Publishing Company #97-1364 One of the settings is "Savior Of THe Nations, Come" Well crafted, not difficult.   I also came across a work called "Advent" First Religious Suite For Organ Pietro A. Yon Published by McLaughlin & Reilly Co. Boston Rather "Campy" Written in the style of early 20th century organ compositions.   If others have suggestions for Advent music, I am sure we would all appreciate this information.   Sincerely,   Tom Gregory      
(back) Subject: Re: Advent Music For Organ From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:26:30 -0500   in the Catholic liturgy, solo organ music is not AS important as music = sung within the mass, therefore I don't put too much emphasis on the music I = play before and after the mass. Generally, I start playing about 20 minutes before the mass begins. I play from "The Liturgical Year" published by Oliver Ditson, plus various preludes, fugues and other miscellaneous organ works. My postlude (after the closing hymn) is the same throughout the = year; toccatas, fugues, etc.   Carlo    
(back) Subject: Re: Advent Music For Organ From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:30:36 -0500   another thought on Advent organ music.....in my experiences over the = years, the average person in the congregation doesn't pay too much attention to = the organ before the mass begins, and is usually on their way out after the = mass is over. Playing Advent organ music is fine of you want to, and have it, = but I don't knock myself out looking for Advent organ music, because most of = the time, the congregation won't know the difference, unless it's a piece = based on an Advent hymn. I usually improvise on the hymns that will be used in = the mass, so the congregational "ear" will have heard the melody when the time comes to sing it.   Carlo    
(back) Subject: Re: Laws on Liturgy regarding Advent/Christmas music From: <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:37:01 EST   In a message dated 11/29/00 10:52:42 AM Central Standard Time, jtrimble@cc.ysu.edu writes:   << For example, this Sunday, our Opening Hymn is Joy to the World. What a crime. Our minister is closing with Lift High the Cross. I can't figure it out. Can you? >>   What? No "O Come, O Come Emmanuel"? I thought that even in non = liturgical main-line Protestant churches that that was almost a given. I haven't a = clue about his choice of hymns... It sounds like he's observing both Christmas = Eve and Holy Cross Sunday on the First Sunday of Advent.   Egads! I hope this doesn't start a trend, imagine trying to select organ music for a combined service of Christmas and Good Friday... (wink)   John  
(back) Subject: Re: advent music flor peeters From: <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:38:22 EST   In a message dated 11/29/00 11:05:25 AM Central Standard Time, randyterry@laumc.org writes:   << Oops. Flor Peeters also has a great setting of "come thou long = expected jesus" to "stuttgart." It is in a Novello collection. I'll try to dig = that out as it will be nice on the organ I am now playing! >>   When you find it please post the collection's particulars... I'd love to = have it.   John  
(back) Subject: Re: advent music flor peeters From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:44:59 -0500   "Festal Voluntaries" for Christmas and Epiphany, published by Novello in 1956, renewed in 1984. It's a green glossy book with white lettering. The contents are as follows...   PAEAN on 'Divinum Mysterium" by John Cook INTERLUDE on 'Winchester Old' by Ivan Langstroth POSTLUDE on 'Adeste Fidelis' by Eric H. Thiman CHORALE PRELUDE on 'Stuttgart' by Flor Peeters (Opus 81, No. 1) EPILOGUE on 'Dix' by William H. Harris   I paid 20,10$ (Canadian) when I bought mine, which was on February 24th, 1995.   Carlo    
(back) Subject: Re: Update, November 28 - Good news From: "Claire" <fleahopper@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:41:27 -0500     > > >Thank you for being there for me and giving me so much support. This has >been a scary ordeal, and it really helped to read the cards and letters = you >sent. > >XOXO >Vicki Ceruti     Hi Vicky -   Keep up the good healing - we'll keep up the prayers. Glad to hear things are turning around for you. Claire        
(back) Subject: RE: advent music flor peeters From: "Randy Terry" <randyterry@laumc.org> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:50:51 -0800   I also like the Cook and Thiman, too, now that I remember!   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Carlo Pietroniro Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 9:45 AM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: advent music flor peeters     "Festal Voluntaries" for Christmas and Epiphany, published by Novello in 1956, renewed in 1984. It's a green glossy book with white lettering. The contents are as follows...   PAEAN on 'Divinum Mysterium" by John Cook INTERLUDE on 'Winchester Old' by Ivan Langstroth POSTLUDE on 'Adeste Fidelis' by Eric H. Thiman CHORALE PRELUDE on 'Stuttgart' by Flor Peeters (Opus 81, No. 1) EPILOGUE on 'Dix' by William H. Harris   I paid 20,10$ (Canadian) when I bought mine, which was on February 24th, 1995.   Carlo     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Manz's Wacket auf From: "Jason Comet" <diaphone64@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 13:13:54 -0500   I am trying to find which book Paul Manz's "Wacket auf" is in. I've got = his second book of Improvitations, so it's not in there. I'm going to do the Bach version for the II Advent Prelude and the Manz version as the II = Advent Postlude - gives the congregation two different versions of it. Plus I'm doing the actual Chorale (Hymn) for an anthem/offertory (I haven't decided =   yet).   I'm hoping that JWPepper has it in stock so I can have it on overnight to me.   Thanks,   Jason Comet ___________________________________________________________________________= __________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : = http://explorer.msn.com    
(back) Subject: Singing from the Swell - That's Swell! From: "Jason Comet" <diaphone64@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 13:22:24 -0500   I'm going to do what Virgil Fox did at Riverside Church - STICK A SOPRANO INSIDE THE SWELL BOX!!!!   I want to do this X mas Eve. Any suggestions that could be done???   Now, before you start flamming me about putting a "foreign" person in the Swell Box, take into consideration all of the aspects of different organs = - size of the box, age, how much space inside, access to, etc... All of which have been taken into account - not to mention that the Soprano helps =   me do repairs on the organ too, so she's not a "foreign" person.   Thanks again, Jason Comet ___________________________________________________________________________= __________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : = http://explorer.msn.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Singing from the Swell - That's Swell! From: <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 13:31:03 EST   In a message dated 11/29/00 12:23:38 PM Central Standard Time, diaphone64@hotmail.com writes:   << I'm going to do what Virgil Fox did at Riverside Church - STICK A = SOPRANO INSIDE THE SWELL BOX!!!! >>   I'd be very careful. Now if you changed the wording around a bit it could =   get very interesting... (evil grin)   John  
(back) Subject: Revised: Singing from the Swell - That's Swell! From: "Jason Comet" <diaphone64@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 13:47:29 -0500   How's this:   I am going to make a soprano become part of the organ, so I can control = the volume and tone of her voice, by placing her inside the Swell Box of the organ.     >From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com >Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >To: pipechat@pipechat.org >Subject: Re: Singing from the Swell - That's Swell! >Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 13:31:03 EST > >In a message dated 11/29/00 12:23:38 PM Central Standard Time, >diaphone64@hotmail.com writes: > ><< I'm going to do what Virgil Fox did at Riverside Church - STICK A >SOPRANO > INSIDE THE SWELL BOX!!!! >> > >I'd be very careful. Now if you changed the wording around a bit it = could >get very interesting... (evil grin) > >John > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >   ___________________________________________________________________________= __________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : = http://explorer.msn.com