PipeChat Digest #1680 - Thursday, November 30, 2000

 

Re: Advent Music For Organ

  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>

Re: Diane Bish Concert

  by <JamesM8336@aol.com>

Re: Diane Bish Concert

  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>

spelling

  by "Weber, Richard" <rweber@aero.net>

Re: Diane Bish Concert

  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>

Re: spelling

  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>

Re: spelling??????

  by "Stephen Ohmer" <knopfregal@yahoo.com>

Re: Manz's Wacket auf

  by <JamesM8336@aol.com>

Re: spelling??????

  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>

Re: Singing from the Swell - That's Swell!

  by <Posthorn8@aol.com>

Re: Singing from the Swell - That's Swell!

  by "WDBabcock" <WDBabcock@email.msn.com>

Re: Singing from the Swell - That's Swell!

  by "Maynard Cuppy" <cuppy.maynard@mcleodusa.net>

Re: Manz's Wacket auf

  by "John  M. Doney" <jdoney@email.msn.com>

Soprani in the swellbox:  Karg-Elert

  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>

Re: Laws on Liturgy regarding Advent/Christmas music

  by "Stanley E Yoder" <syoder+@andrew.cmu.edu>

Re: Laws on Liturgy regarding Advent/Christmas music(longish)

  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>

Re: SATB arrangement

  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>

hello to everyone!!!!!!!

  by "Chris Attison" <cattison@optonline.net>

Re: hello to everyone!!!!!!!

  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>

Re: Advent Music For Organ

  by "Mark Reeves" <mreeves@vzinet.com>

Re: Singing from the Swell - That's Swell!

  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>

Re: Advent Music For Organ

  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>

Re: Advent Music For Organ

  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>

 


(back) Subject: Re: Advent Music For Organ From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 21:09:04 -0500   the point of my post about improvising was this----you don't necessarily have to go searching for Advent, Christmas, Easter, Lent (or whatever liturgical season) music. If you're able to, anyone can create their own arrangements by playing around with the music. Try bouncing the melody between the hands, then have the melody appear in the pedals, switch to = the minor key, modulate up (or down). There are countless things an organist = can do without having to rely on a printed book in front of them. Be creative = in your playing techniques. Play exciting hymn arrangements. Make the mass = fun for the choir, congregation, and for yourself as well. Whatever you do, don't be a bore <G>.   Carlo    
(back) Subject: Re: Diane Bish Concert From: <JamesM8336@aol.com> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 21:23:51 EST     --part1_25.e196443.27571437_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Really bad taste on your part.   --part1_25.e196443.27571437_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Really bad taste on = your part.</FONT></HTML>   --part1_25.e196443.27571437_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Diane Bish Concert From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 21:26:33 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_021B_01C05A4B.0BBA9C40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I have no idea what that post meant.   Carlo   ------=3D_NextPart_000_021B_01C05A4B.0BBA9C40 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dwindows-1252"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4522.1800" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#00a5f4> <DIV>I have no idea what that post meant.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Carlo</DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_021B_01C05A4B.0BBA9C40--    
(back) Subject: spelling From: "Weber, Richard" <rweber@aero.net> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 20:34:25 -0600   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_001B_01C05A43.C3BFA7C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Don't any of you people known about the spell check. I am appalled at =3D the spelling errors that constantly appear.       ------=3D_NextPart_000_001B_01C05A43.C3BFA7C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Don't any of you people known about the spell =3D check.&nbsp; I=3D20 am appalled at the spelling errors that constantly appear.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_001B_01C05A43.C3BFA7C0--    
(back) Subject: Re: Diane Bish Concert From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 21:30:07 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0233_01C05A4B.8BA27220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   1. how long has it been since we were discussing a Diane Bish concert?   2. where's the usual stuff that appears at the bottom of posts, about the Pipe Chat homepage and such?   Carlo   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0233_01C05A4B.8BA27220 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dwindows-1252"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4522.1800" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#00a5f4> <DIV>1. how long has it been since we were discussing a Diane Bish=3D20 concert?</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>2. where's the usual stuff that appears at the bottom of posts, =3D about the=3D20 Pipe Chat homepage and such?</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Carlo</DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0233_01C05A4B.8BA27220--    
(back) Subject: Re: spelling From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 21:32:19 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0245_01C05A4B.D9F17160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   haha!!! Now THAT'S funny. Someone just commented about spelling errors, = and their post had a grammar error in it. THAT made my day.   Carlo   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0245_01C05A4B.D9F17160 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dwindows-1252"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4522.1800" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#00a5f4> <DIV>haha!!! Now THAT'S funny. Someone just commented about spelling =3D errors, and=3D20 their post had a grammar error in it. THAT made my day.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Carlo</DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0245_01C05A4B.D9F17160--    
(back) Subject: Re: spelling?????? From: "Stephen Ohmer" <knopfregal@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 18:33:27 -0800 (PST)     --- "Weber, Richard" <rweber@aero.net> wrote: > Don't any of you people known about the spell > check. I am appalled at the spelling errors > that constantly appear.   Spelling? That's the least, though most appalling "infraction." Aren't there guidelines somewhere about .... Personal messages sent to the entire list? Constantly keeping the entire message being commented on? Not changing the subject line?   Who's complayning?   Ohmerinbartlesville     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: Manz's Wacket auf From: <JamesM8336@aol.com> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 21:34:29 EST     --part1_21.431bac7.275716b5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Wachet auf is in Ten Chorale Improvisations, opus 5. Pub.Concordia.   --part1_21.431bac7.275716b5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Wachet auf is in Ten = Chorale Improvisations, opus 5. &nbsp;Pub.Concordia.</FONT></HTML>   --part1_21.431bac7.275716b5_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: spelling?????? From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 21:39:40 -0500   spelling should be the LEAST of anyone's worries. Sorry about my = bluntness, but who the hell cares about the occasional spelling blunder? Sure, we all make boo-boos every once in a while, but no one ever bothers to mentioning it (until now, that is), and you wanna know why??? Because no one cares; it's a non-issue, a moot point. Proper spelling (and grammar for that matter) isn't a pre-requisite for this (or any) list. We're here to learn from each other, and to have fun doing it. If we make mistakes, so what!!! It just proves we're all human <G>.   Carlo    
(back) Subject: Re: Singing from the Swell - That's Swell! From: <Posthorn8@aol.com> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 21:42:13 EST   This reminds me of the story of the organist who was reviewing wedding = music with the soloist just before the wedding. He said to her, "Let's see, = You're singing I love You Truly in 4/4 and in the key of F. At measure 5 you're switching to 5/4, at measure 9 you're going to the key of A flat, at = measure 15 you're switching to the key of B and going to 7/8 at the same time." = She stopped him and said. Hang on a minute, I can't sing it like that!" He = said to her, "Well, you did at rehearsal last night."......   Happy Pipe Chatting   Tim    
(back) Subject: Re: Singing from the Swell - That's Swell! From: "WDBabcock" <WDBabcock@email.msn.com> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 20:36:55 -0600   The Antiphonal would be far more appropriate for many of the soprano's who hang around choir lofts. Preferably that in the next church. William D. "Bill" Babcock WDBabcock@msn.com wbabcock@lansing.lib.il.us My goal is to be the person my dog thinks I am. ----- Original Message ----- From: <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 1:13 PM Subject: Re: Singing from the Swell - That's Swell!     > In a message dated 11/29/00 1:08:16 PM Central Standard Time, > nstarfil@mediaone.net writes: > > << ...But I suppose you could rig up a stop tab thingy to cue her with > a mild electric shock. > ...which could also keep her on key. >> > > LOL > > John > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >        
(back) Subject: Re: Singing from the Swell - That's Swell! From: "Maynard Cuppy" <cuppy.maynard@mcleodusa.net> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 21:24:56 -0600   The swell box is too good for that one. How about in the basement behind = the Spencer Orgelblo? Maynard   Posthorn8@aol.com wrote:   > This reminds me of the story of the organist who was reviewing wedding = music > with the soloist just before the wedding. He said to her, "Let's see, = You're > singing I love You Truly in 4/4 and in the key of F. At measure 5 you're > switching to 5/4, at measure 9 you're going to the key of A flat, at = measure > 15 you're switching to the key of B and going to 7/8 at the same time." = She > stopped him and said. Hang on a minute, I can't sing it like that!" He = said > to her, "Well, you did at rehearsal last night."...... > > Happy Pipe Chatting > > Tim > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Manz's Wacket auf From: "John M. Doney" <jdoney@email.msn.com> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 22:43:46 -0000   << I am trying to find which book Paul Manz's "Wacket auf" is in. >>   <<Don't worry, Jason. You have plenty of time. The Feast of the Circumcision is after Christmas!! ;-)>>   Isn't that when we play "O Sacred Head now wounded?"            
(back) Subject: Soprani in the swellbox: Karg-Elert From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 22:56:21 EST   Dear Pipechatters:   All kidding aside, one work that is most effective if one has the room for =   humans within the swellbox (or a dome, or tower gallery), is the FUGE, KANZONE und EPILOG. Opus 85, Number 3, of Sigrid Karg-Elert(1877-1933).   John Eargle's brief notes on the work are as follows:   "Karg-Elert's writing combines the contrapuntal texture of Reger with the harmonic lushness of Delius. He is remembered today for his copious = output for organ, much of which draws on chorale or plainsong thematic material. =   The Fuge, Kanzone und Epilog is based on a plainsong fragment, credo in = vitam venturi saeculi. In the Epilog, a small women's chorus and solo violin = are woven into the rich harmonic fabric, and the combination of these added resources with the organ's string celeste stops take on a nearly = orchestral texture. Heard in the ambience of a large space, the effect is hauntingly =   etherial.   Robert Noehren has recorded this work on the Pilzecker organ in the Church = of Saint Jude in Detroit, assisted by Marla Smith, Violin, and a female vocal =   quartet from the Choir of the Mariner's Church in the same city. The = disc, recorded in March 1986, is:   DELOS D/CD 3045   the disc also includes some notable performances of Widor, Brahms, Bach, Alain, Hindemith, and Messiaen, in addition to the haunting Karg-Elert. = This is a well-rounded and fine musical program, played intelligently and with subtlety by one of America's finest organists. I am told that a recent performace of the Karg-Elert work in Massachusetts afforded the performer = the opportunity to place the violinist and vocalists in the spacious swell box = of the instrument in question, but I don't remember the venue.   Sebastian Matthaus Gluck New York City  
(back) Subject: Re: Laws on Liturgy regarding Advent/Christmas music From: "Stanley E Yoder" <syoder+@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 23:18:01 -0500 (EST)   Excerpts from mail: 29-Nov-100 Re: Laws on Liturgy regardi.. by "Carlo Pietroniro"@total > who said "Joy To The World" isn't a Christmas Text? Take another look. > > Joy to the world! the Lord is come (meaning he is born; Christmas) > Let every heart prepare him room (Advent theme) >   In its origin, Isaac Watts wrote this text as his version of Psalm 98 in his "Psalms of David Imitated" of 1719. It was not explicitly for Advent/ Christmas, but is certainly appropriate, since it appears under the heading "The Messiah's Coming and Kingdom". Stan Yoder Pittsburgh  
(back) Subject: Re: Laws on Liturgy regarding Advent/Christmas music(longish) From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 00:16:44 EST   Hi List:   Joy to the World, I recommend announces the exact moment of Jesus' birth. Therefore Christmas.(Midnight)   Joy to the World, the Lord is come, Let Earth receive her King. Let every heart prepare Him room, And Heaven and Nature sing, And Heaven and Nature sing, And heaven and Nature Sing.   Christians in the beginning, being persecuted by Romans and others had to chose well their time for celebrating Christ's birth, and = Circumcision.   The Roman Holiday Citronell was this perfect time. The Romans launched eight days of celebration about the lenthening of the hours of light to = the day. Or in other words a celebration of the return of the sun. Romans were too busy having a good time to bother much with people who belonged to this new religion. December 25, is not necessarily Christ's actual birthday, but it was a good time to celebrate it.   When Christ was born, shepherds were sleeping with their flocks in the fields at night. It's too cold to do that in December. Further our dating system is out of whack. Herod the great was still alive when Christ was = born. It seems that BC 6 or 7 was more exact. Herod The Great died in 4 BC. When the Kings of the East came to visit this Kingly Child, Herod wanted = to know where he was so he could do this child hommage. This must have been near the time Herod assummed room temperature, as Jesus was already two years old. The star they followed, could well have been the Shakinah Glory. The reason. it led them to the very spot where Christ was and disappeared. You know the rest, The kings were warned to go home by another way, and Joseph was told to flee into Egypt, because the Child was in great danger. (Epiphany) Herod wanted to kill this new King and rival.   Regards,   Ron Severin   year 2006 or 2007  
(back) Subject: Re: SATB arrangement From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 13:51:02 +0800   Thaxted is in the Methodist Hymn Book (UK and Aust.1933) as the tune for "I vow to Thee my country." I have never seen the tune written in four parts. The MHB has it as a unison hymn. Bob Elms   Carlo Pietroniro wrote:   > I posted this on another list, and got nowhere, so I thought some of you > nice people on Pipe Chat might be able to help me. I'm looking for as = SATB > arrangement of the hymn tune THAXTED.  
(back) Subject: hello to everyone!!!!!!! From: "Chris Attison" <cattison@optonline.net> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 01:12:33 -0500   Hello Pipe Chatters!   My name is Chris, and Im new to the Pipe Chat forum, and figured that I would introduce myself. I am 26 years old, a big theatre organ = aficionado; in fact I have been ever since I was four. In addition to the beautiful sound of the theatre organ, I am also a big lover of electronic synth = music, and hardcore metal. I have my own band, and will be releasing a CD by = March hopefully. On one of our songs, I have included an epic theatre organ = part, the music we wrote is all original. I use a Kurzweil, and have a CD Rom collection of real theatre organ samples, so it sounds EXACTLY like the = real thing. Combined with the pounding guitars and heavy bass line, the organ part sings majestically, and sounds very dark and epic. I believe this instrument has far more potential than just a mere memory of silent films.   As far as my role in the ATOS, I must admit, I have been out of the loop = for awhile, since I work about 55 hours a week, work with the band, and trying to capture a moment to spend with my wife. I used to be on the work crew for Long Island University, helping Bob Walker(God rest his soul) = restoring and maintaining its 4/26 Wurlitzer between the years of 1992-1993, until I went to college. I also helped out alittle on the Sands Point 2/8 = Wurlitzer project, but that was also years ago. I look foward to talking to you = guys about theatre organs and the like.   Cheers!----Chris                     > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Re: hello to everyone!!!!!!! From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 01:23:37 -0500   Hello Chris!!! Welcome to Pipe Chat. You are among friends here, so please feel free to speak your mind.   Carlo    
(back) Subject: Re: Advent Music For Organ From: "Mark Reeves" <mreeves@vzinet.com> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 01:58:37 -0600   Carlo, sadly, some of us just don't have the "improvisational" skills that you have, so it's arrogant to assume that all other organists can just throw something together at the last minute (not that many of us want to). I on the other hand have good reading skills....my last minute stuff involves sight reading a toccata, but, I don't presume that everyone else can. I would be arrogant if I did....   Apologies to the list, but, I'm in a really bad mood.     From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 8:00 PM Subject: Re: Advent Music For Organ     > when I improvise, I never play the same thing twice. Playing things like > chorale preludes, toccatas, fugues, fantasies, and things like that are NOT > included when I say the word "improvise", which is what I meant by saying > "never playing the same thing twice". Each member of the congregation (where > I play) probably has their own list of favorite organ pieces, but they never > come up and ask me to play a particular piece. I have a very vast > repertoire, and I play a little bit of everything. I don't like playing the > same pieces over and over again. If I play a particular piece as a postlude, > it'll be at least 2 or 3 months before I play it again. Also, there are 5 > masses per weekend where I play, and I play 5 different postludes (the > titles are printed in the bulletin). So Bruce, answering your question about > how the congregation develops a repertoire of favorites--the same way > everyone does. If they like a piece, they consider it one of their > favorites. The next time I play it, they'll probably say to themselves (or > to someone else), "hey, I like that piece", and since I print the titles and > composers in the bulletin, they'll know the name and the composer. Simple > enough. > > Carlo > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Re: Singing from the Swell - That's Swell! From: <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 03:49:38 EST   In a message dated 11/29/00 7:37:44 PM Central Standard Time, Puppydawgbreath@cs.com writes:   << However, I known some sopranos that should be in the blower room! >>   With a mouth organ...  
(back) Subject: Re: Advent Music For Organ From: <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 03:52:26 EST   In a message dated 11/29/00 8:02:17 PM Central Standard Time, organist@total.net writes:   << when I improvise, I never play the same thing twice. Playing things = like chorale preludes, toccatas, fugues, fantasies, and things like that are = NOT included when I say the word "improvise", which is what I meant by saying "never playing the same thing twice" >>     Hmmm, this sounds like George Bush's "fuzzy math".  
(back) Subject: Re: Advent Music For Organ From: <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 03:55:32 EST   In a message dated 11/29/00 8:16:14 PM Central Standard Time, organist@total.net writes:   << If you're able to, anyone can create their own arrangements by playing around with the music. >>   Yeah right...... I was BARELY able to get through Theory III and IV......   John