PipeChat Digest #1637 - Saturday, October 28, 2000
 
IRC Reminder
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Ridiculous
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Fw: Ridiculous
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Choir Schedule
  by <LLWheels@aol.com>
Re: Choir Schedule
  by "Jeffrey Trimble" <jtrimble@cc.ysu.edu>
National Shrine Advent Programs (x post)
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Fw: Any Suggestions for a "Secondary" Hymnal?
  by "Rick Locher" <iplay4@mediaone.net>
Re: Any Suggestions for a "Secondary" Hymnal?
  by "Karl E. Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersv.edu>
John Atwell to Play Rochester Wurlitzer (x-posted)
  by "Ken Evans" <kevans1@rochester.rr.com>
Re: Choir Schedule
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: Fw: Any Suggestions for a "Secondary" Hymnal?
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Recital Sunday, October 29
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
Re: Any Suggestions for a "Secondary" Hymnal?
  by "Shirley" <pnst@earthlink.net>
Re: Any Suggestions for a "Secondary" Hymnal?
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
Re: Choir Schedule
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
 


(back) Subject: IRC Reminder From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 07:54:49 -0500   Folks   Just a reminder that the PipeChat IRC group will meeting tonight beginning at 9:00 PM Eastern time. There can be some lively discussions that take place, not always directly related to organ but lively in any case.   If you haven't joined us in the past you can go to the IRC page on the PipeChat Web Site for the information on how to connect. http://www.pipechat.org/irc.html   For those that are usual "chatters" and listen to Theatre Organ Time from Australia on Friday nights, Lesley and Gary will be broadcast via Real Audio again tonight. The following was posted to the Theatre Organs list yesterday about their being back on the Net.   ********************************* "Theatre Organ Time" is back on the net this week after a few technical problems with the ISP have been remedied.   During this week's program we will be chatting to visiting English organist Len Rawle plus we will play some terrific and varied performances by international organists. Please join us at<http://www.global.net.au/~duo>   <http://www.global.net.au/~duo>http://www.global.net.au/~duo   or streaming audio at<http://www.rtrfm.iinet.net.au/live.ram>   <http://www.rtrfm.iinet.net.au/live.ram>http://www.rtrfm.iinet.net.au/live.= ram   Regards   Lesley and Gary ***************************************   Theatre Organ Time is received in the US beginning at 10:00 PM Eastern time this week but will go back to 9:00 PM Eastern time as of next week with the change from Daylight Savings time.   Hope to see some of the regulars tonight and will be glad to see some new faces join us tonight.   David  
(back) Subject: Ridiculous From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 11:20:49 -0400   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --MS_Mac_OE_3055490449_14742912_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit   A friend just wrote to say:   Just got the following e-mail from the Organist and Master of Choristers = of Westminster Abbey, with reference to their New York concert last week:   The NYT reviewer declined to write about the concert owing to a dispute he had with a member of the audience who had by accident been assigned the same seat and refused to move. How = ridiculous!   Alan   --MS_Mac_OE_3055490449_14742912_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Ridiculous</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> A friend just wrote to say:<BR> <BR> Just got the following e-mail from the Organist and Master of Choristers = of=3D Westminster Abbey, with reference to their New York concert last week: = <BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>The NYT reviewer declined to write about the concert owing to = a=3D dispute he had with a member of the audience who had<BR> by accident been assigned the same seat and refused to move. How = ridiculous=3D ! <BR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> Alan </BODY> </HTML>     --MS_Mac_OE_3055490449_14742912_MIME_Part--    
(back) Subject: Fw: Ridiculous From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 13:57:00 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0013_01C0401D.C735E080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   RidiculousStubborn pride.   ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Alan Freed=3D20 To: PipeChat=3D20 Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 10:20 AM Subject: Ridiculous     A friend just wrote to say:   Just got the following e-mail from the Organist and Master of Choristers = =3D of Westminster Abbey, with reference to their New York concert last =3D week:=3D20     The NYT reviewer declined to write about the concert owing to a =3D dispute he had with a member of the audience who had by accident been assigned the same seat and refused to move. How =3D ridiculous!=3D20     Alan=3D20   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0013_01C0401D.C735E080 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Ridiculous</TITLE> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#fffff0> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#ff00ff face=3D3DEric>Stubborn pride.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----=3D20 <DIV style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> = <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:afreed0904@earthlink.net" =3D title=3D3Dafreed0904@earthlink.net>Alan=3D20 Freed</A> </DIV> <DIV><B>To:</B> <A href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org"=3D20 title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org>PipeChat</A> </DIV> <DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, October 27, 2000 10:20 AM</DIV> <DIV><B>Subject:</B> Ridiculous</DIV></DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV>A friend just wrote to say:<BR><BR>Just got the following = =3D e-mail=3D20 from the Organist and Master of Choristers of Westminster Abbey, with =3D reference=3D20 to their New York concert last week: <BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>The NYT reviewer declined to write about the concert owing =3D to a=3D20 dispute he had with a member of the audience who had<BR>by accident =3D been=3D20 assigned the same seat and refused to move. How ridiculous!=3D20 <BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Alan </BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0013_01C0401D.C735E080--      
(back) Subject: Choir Schedule From: <LLWheels@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 16:03:38 EDT   In a message dated 10/27/2000 4:02:01 AM Central Daylight Time, Cremona 502@cs.com writes:   << My feeling is that if there is a choir they should be on duty 52 weeks a year (and Holy =   Days). You would not expect a choir to do well if they only sang = three months out of the year; >>   Pulee-ze! Surely you jest!! Perhaps you are not thinking of a volunteer choir. (not to mention that the part-time organist would then also have to =   stage midweek rehearsals 52 weeks a year; I THINK NOT!) 9 months a year is =   quite enough thank you.   Occasionally, in the 2 months off for summer I will have a "pick-up-choir" =   which rehearses early Sunday before the service as a one-time-deal for = folks who feel they can't commit to what it takes to serve for 9 months a year, = but I can think of no better way to burnout a group of volunteer choristers = than to expect them to commit for 52 weeks a year.   Larry L. Wheelock Kenwood United Methodist Church Milwaukee, WI Austin Organ Co. Op. 1628, 1928 III/55    
(back) Subject: Re: Choir Schedule From: "Jeffrey Trimble" <jtrimble@cc.ysu.edu> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 16:15:10 -0400   We have a choir all 52 weeks a year, plus holy days. Not a a problem for us. We reduce from two to one choir anthems during the summer months and insert a solo piece instead. Our rehearsals are moved to Sunday mornings, about 1.5 hrs before the service. We also choose easier music for the summer.   Sometimes, I wish we would use just a professional quartet instead. (We do have paid singers in addition to the all volunteer core).   Jeffrey Trimble Trinity United Methodist Church Youngstown, Ohio     At 04:03 PM 10/27/00 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 10/27/2000 4:02:01 AM Central Daylight Time, Cremona >502@cs.com writes: > ><< My feeling is > that if there is a choir they should be on duty 52 weeks a year (and = Holy > Days). You would not expect a choir to do well if they only sang = three > months out of the year; >> > >Pulee-ze! Surely you jest!! Perhaps you are not thinking of a volunteer >choir. (not to mention that the part-time organist would then also have = to >stage midweek rehearsals 52 weeks a year; I THINK NOT!) 9 months a year = is >quite enough thank you. > >Occasionally, in the 2 months off for summer I will have a = "pick-up-choir" >which rehearses early Sunday before the service as a one-time-deal for = folks >who feel they can't commit to what it takes to serve for 9 months a year, but >I can think of no better way to burnout a group of volunteer choristers = than >to expect them to commit for 52 weeks a year. > >Larry L. Wheelock >Kenwood United Methodist Church >Milwaukee, WI >Austin Organ Co. Op. 1628, 1928 III/55 > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >  
(back) Subject: National Shrine Advent Programs (x post) From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 17:30:16 EDT   Sunday, December 3, 4:00 pm Vespers and Organ Recital immediately following. Solemn Choral Vespers = for Advent I sung by the National Shrine's Schola Cantorum and homily by the = Rev. Monsignor William H. Easton, pastor. The guest recitalist will be Dr. Timothy Huth, Organist-Choirmaster of The Episcopal Church of St. Matthew = and St. Joseph, Detroit. The National Shrine of the Little Flower, Woodward Avenue at Twelve Mile Road, Royal Oak. (248) 541-4122, ext. 40. A = freewill offering will be taken.   Sunday, December 10, 4:00 pm Vespers and Organ Recital immediately following. Solemn Choral Vespers = for Advent II sung by the National Shrine's Schola Cantorum and homily by the Rev. Fr. Joseph Girardi, Associate Pastor. The guest recitalist will be = Mr. Jeremy David Tarrant, Organist-Choirmaster, The Episcopal Cathedral of St. =   Paul, Detroit. The National Shrine of the Little Flower, Woodward Avenue = at Twelve Mile Road, Royal Oak. (248) 541-4122, ext. 40. A freewill = offering will be taken.   Sunday, December 17, 4:00 pm Vespers and Organ Recital immediately following. Solemn Choral Vespers = for Advent III sung by the National Shrine's Schola Cantorum and homily by the =   Rev. Monsignor William H. Easton, pastor. The guest recitalist will be = Mr. Christopher Wells, Assistant Organist-Choirmaster of Christ Church (Episcopal) Cranbrook, Bloomfield Hills. The National Shrine of the = Little Flower, Woodward Avenue at Twelve Mile Road, Royal Oak. (248) 541-4122, = ext. 40. A freewill offering will be taken.   Sunday, December 24, 11:00 pm "The Messiah" by George Fredrick Handel (Section I: Christmas) will be presented by the Parish Choir and Schola Cantorum accompanied by chamber orchestra, harpsichord and organ. The Solemn Choral Liturgy of the = Nativity at Midnight will follow. The Solemn Choral Liturgy for Christmas Day will = be on Monday, December 25 at 10:45 am. The National Shrine of the Little Flower, Woodward Avenue at Twelve Mile Road, Royal Oak. (248) 541-4122, = ext. 40.   Scott F. Foppiano, Director of Music and Liturgy The National Shrine of the Little Flower, Royal Oak, MI  
(back) Subject: Fw: Any Suggestions for a "Secondary" Hymnal? From: "Rick Locher" <iplay4@mediaone.net> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 16:34:49 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0048_01C04033.D2CF88E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Mediaone e-mail service has been down, so I'm re-submitting this =3D message. Thanks, Rick ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Rick Locher=3D20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 12:42 PM Subject: Any Suggestions for a "Secondary" Hymnal?     We use the U.C.C.'s The New Century Hymnal. The congregation misses =3D having the traditional words for some of the hymns, i.e. Christmas =3D hymns. I need suggestions for a hymnal that perhaps you are using. The = =3D new hymnal will be placed along side The New Century Hymnal in the pews. = =3D The congregation is contemplating incorporating some "contemporary" =3D music into one of the two traditional services we now have. Thanks for your help, Rick L.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0048_01C04033.D2CF88E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dwindows-1252"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4207.2601" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D3D"Book Antiqua" color=3D3D#008000 =3D size=3D3D4>Mediaone e-mail=3D20 service has been down, so I'm re-submitting this =3D message.</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D3D"Book Antiqua" color=3D3D#008000=3D20 size=3D3D4>Thanks,</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D3D"Book Antiqua" color=3D3D#008000=3D20 size=3D3D4>Rick</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----=3D20 <DIV style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> = <A=3D20 title=3D3Diplay4@mediaone.net href=3D3D"mailto:iplay4@mediaone.net">Rick = =3D Locher</A>=3D20 </DIV> <DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A> </DIV> <DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 26, 2000 12:42 PM</DIV> <DIV><B>Subject:</B> Any Suggestions for a "Secondary" =3D Hymnal?</DIV></DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D3D"Book Antiqua" color=3D3D#008000 size=3D3D4>We = use =3D the U.C.C.'s=3D20 <EM>The New Century Hymnal</EM>.&nbsp; The congregation misses having =3D the=3D20 traditional words for some of the hymns, i.e. Christmas hymns.&nbsp; I =3D need=3D20 suggestions for a hymnal that perhaps you are using.&nbsp; The new =3D hymnal will=3D20 be placed along side <EM>The New Century Hymnal</EM> in the pews.&nbsp; = =3D The=3D20 congregation is contemplating incorporating some "contemporary" music =3D into one=3D20 of the two traditional services we now have.</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D3D"Book Antiqua" color=3D3D#008000 = size=3D3D4>Thanks =3D for your=3D20 help,</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D3D"Book Antiqua" color=3D3D#008000 = size=3D3D4>Rick=3D20 L.</FONT></STRONG></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0048_01C04033.D2CF88E0--    
(back) Subject: Re: Any Suggestions for a "Secondary" Hymnal? From: "Karl E. Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersv.edu> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 18:12:45 -0400 (EDT)   > > We use the U.C.C.'s The New Century Hymnal. The congregation misses =3D > having the traditional words for some of the hymns, i.e. Christmas =3D > hymns.   Don't they also miss a more responsible Christology as well? !!   Karl    
(back) Subject: John Atwell to Play Rochester Wurlitzer (x-posted) From: "Ken Evans" <kevans1@rochester.rr.com> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 19:49:51 -0400   Australia's world famous theater organist John Atwell will perform his = third Rochester concert at 8 p.m. on Saturday, November 11. He will present his variety program of musical entertainment on the world-class Auditorium Center 4/22 Wurlitzer. The Auditorium Center is located at 876 East Main Street, Rochester, NY 14605.   Driving directions, concert schedules, membership information, a complete 4/22 stoplist and lots of photos may be found at our home on the web at http://theatreorgans.com/rochestr/ .   The admission at the box office, which opens one hour before the start of the concert, is only $10 each. For an even better bargain, investigate our membership bonus (see our website)!   We hope that you can attend - - - you'll be glad you did!   Regards, Ken Evans, RTOS President        
(back) Subject: Re: Choir Schedule From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 07:56:40 +0800   > In a message dated 10/27/2000 4:02:01 AM Central Daylight Time, Cremona > 502@cs.com writes: > > << My feeling is > that if there is a choir they should be on duty 52 weeks a year (and = Holy > Days). You would not expect a choir to do well if they only sang = three > months out of the year; >>   Never heard of such a thing. The cathedral choirs in our capital city take = a vacation during the summer after the Christmas services are over. There = place is usually taken by another choral group from ,say, the University Music = Department or a "hobby" choir. My own church choir has school holidays off. The kids are missing the = anyway on holidays. But then it is a purely volunteer choir. B. E.    
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: Any Suggestions for a "Secondary" Hymnal? From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 07:59:19 +0800   The BBC Hymnal from the UK has a good selection of standard hymns, words untouched by "politically correct" amateur poets. Bob E.   Rick Locher wrote:   > Mediaone e-mail service has been down, so I'm re-submitting this > message.Thanks,Rick > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rick Locher > To: pipechat@pipechat.orgSent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 12:42 > PMSubject: Any Suggestions for a "Secondary" Hymnal? > We use the U.C.C.'s The New Century Hymnal. The congregation misses > having the traditional words for some of the hymns, i.e. Christmas > hymns. I need suggestions for a hymnal that perhaps you are using. > The new hymnal will be placed along side The New Century Hymnal in the > pews. The congregation is contemplating incorporating some > "contemporary" music into one of the two traditional services we now > have.Thanks for your help,Rick L.   -- ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/      
(back) Subject: Recital Sunday, October 29 From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 20:44:47 -0500   I know that the vast majority of you are too far away to attend, but I'm inviting you to St. Agatha's Episcopal Church, 150 Circle Drive, DeFuniak Springs, Florida (in the Panhandle), on Sunday afternoon at 3:00. Performing will be Helen Van Abbema Rogers, organ, and Diane Young, flute, both from Fairhope, Alabama (although Diane has recently moved to the Chicago area). Music of Mozart, Bach, Locklair and Durufle will be performed.   Also that afternoon Kevin Clarke of Church of the Incarnation, Dallas, = will be performing in recital at Christ Church, corner of Palafox and Wright Streets, Pensacola. Due to my lack of filing, I cannot find my = information, but the recitals there generally begin at 4:00 p.m.   Regards,   Glenda Sutton          
(back) Subject: Re: Any Suggestions for a "Secondary" Hymnal? From: "Shirley" <pnst@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 21:50:02 -0400   Why not compile one of your own? Solicit favorite hymns from the congregation that are not in the New Century (I *hate* that book), and make your own book. Those can be contemporary ("Shine Jesus Shine", for example) or traditional ("My Faith Looks Up to Thee" isn't in some hymnals) or gospel or just old ("Nearer My God to Thee"). All in all, you'll end up with a book that is of and for the congregation.     However, do take a look at "With One Voice" (Augsburg/Fortress). The more I see of that book, the more I like it. It's a blend of contemporary and older music as well. ELCA.     --Shirley     At 12:42 PM 10/26/2000 -0500, you wrote:   >>>>   <excerpt><bold><fontfamily><param>Book Antiqua</param><color><param>0000,8080,0000</param><bigger><bigger>We use the U.C.C.'s <italic>The New Century Hymnal</italic>. The congregation misses having the traditional words for some of the hymns, i.e. Christmas hymns. I need suggestions for a hymnal that perhaps you are using. The new hymnal will be placed along side <italic>The New Century Hymnal</italic> in the pews. The congregation is contemplating incorporating some "contemporary" music into one of the two traditional services we now have.   </bigger></bigger></color></fontfamily></bold><fontfamily><param>Book Antiqua</param><color><param>0000,8080,0000</param><bigger><bigger>Thanks for your help,   Rick L.   </bigger></bigger></color></fontfamily><bold>   </bold></excerpt><bold><<<<<<<<     </bold>  
(back) Subject: Re: Any Suggestions for a "Secondary" Hymnal? From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 21:31:58 -0500     Shirley wrote:   > Why not compile one of your own? Solicit favorite hymns from the = congregation that are not in the New Century (I *hate* that book), and = make your own book. Those can be contemporary ("Shine Jesus Shine", for = example) or traditional ("My Faith Looks Up to Thee" isn't in some = hymnals) or gospel or just old ("Nearer My God to Thee"). All in all, = you'll end up with a book that is of and for the congregation.   This is a valuable suggestion, but there needs to be a caveat offered, = too: be sure to follow the proper procedures in doing this. It will be a = lot of work, but the consequences of not doing so could be serious.   By "proper procedures", I mean taking the time to track down the holder of = each tune or arrangement, and each text, and securing (and you may have to = pay for it to secure it) written permission to use each and every tune and = text you intend to use in your product. Now, the older it is, the more = likely it is that the work you wish to use will be in the public domain; = the texts of Charles Wesley and music of Samuel are in the public domain; "How Great Thou Art" is not.   Good luck.      
(back) Subject: Re: Choir Schedule From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 00:09:06 EDT   Geez! I'm impressed with your dedication. I have only sung in one professional choir in my life, but have never sung in a choir that had the =   summer off from leading worship. A few (a minority, I might add) have ceased rehearsing in the summer and used familiar anthems on Sundays. =   Most people do not go away for three months. Your position as organist-choirmaster is is 48-50 week a year, depending upon your = vacation. When you're on vacation and have a substitute organist, why not have them =   take rehearsal, too! It's not that big a deal! I find it especially distressing to attend a parish while I'm on vacation and find there is no choir, especially when the choir has a good reputation. This is the = first year that I've been in a choir that took off the summer from rehearsals = and cut back on anthems, using soloists and ensembles (which I am in), and = I've found it rather unfulfilling both musically and in worship. Sorry folks, = it just isn't that much work. I know. I've done it for over forty years!   *** In a message dated 10/27/00 8:04:15 PM !!!First Boot!!!, LLWheels@aol.com writes:   << Pulee-ze! Surely you jest!! Perhaps you are not thinking of a volunteer =   choir. (not to mention that the part-time organist would then also have = to stage midweek rehearsals 52 weeks a year; I THINK NOT!) 9 months a year = is quite enough thank you. >>     Bruce . . . Cremona502@cs.com in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles . . . Duncan, Miles, and Molly visit CornelyCues & Howling Acres: Ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502