PipeChat Digest #1592 - Sunday, September 3, 2000
 
Reuter?  Tell me...
  by "Charles E. Peery" <cpeery19@idt.net>
Re: The Wedding Song
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Reuter?  Tell me...
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Contacting me (x post)
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Contacting me (x post)
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Grist for the rumor mill (x posted)
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Contacting me (x post)
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Reuter?  Tell me...
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Grist for the rumor mill (x posted)
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Reuter?  Tell me...
  by "Charles E. Peery" <cpeery19@idt.net>
Rodgers Organ Users Group
  by "N. Jones" <gedeckt@usit.net>
Re: Reuter?  Tell me...
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Reuter?  Tell me...
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Reuter?  Tell me...
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Sowande
  by "Ed Brown" <edbroorg@webtv.net>
Re: Wedding Rehearsals
  by "Patricia and Bill Scoffield" <grampa@eagle.ca>
Re: Contacting me (x post)
  by "Douglas A Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com>
Re: Reuter?  Tell me...
  by <SProt82850@cs.com>
Update
  by <SProt82850@cs.com>
Re: Reuter?  Tell me...
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Update
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Update
  by <SProt82850@cs.com>
music for organ, trumpet & horn?
  by "Thomas White" <tomwhite@hamptons.com>
Re: Reuter?  Tell me...
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Grist for the rumor mill (x posted)
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Rodgers Organ Users Group
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Update
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Reuter?  Tell me...
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
 


(back) Subject: Reuter? Tell me... From: "Charles E. Peery" <cpeery19@idt.net> Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 21:41:31 -0400   Dear friends,   The church I'm serving (only since Nov 99) has a 1960 Reuter which is in need of repair/replacement. They have a proposal (which pre-dates my hiring) from Reuter for expanding the instrument to three manuals.   Of course the Reuter proposal looks attractive, they're reusing all the = pipe work and anything else that isn't completely outdated or worn to a thread. Therefore the price is around $300,000 and that looks GREAT to them.   I have artistic questions about the proposal (too much tonal similarity between the Choir (which is essentially the old Great) and the new Great (which is essentially a new unenclosed wall-mounted copy of the old = enclosed Great!) and have encouraged the church authorities to talk to other builders, as have other organists and musicians. I'm comparatively new to the talks, so I don't carry much weight.   Is there any concrete reason to FEAR dealing with Reuter, given rumors, staff leaving, financial instability? I mean something definite that the committee should be warned about and which I can really back up?   Please respond privately,     Chuck Peery Cincinnati    
(back) Subject: Re: The Wedding Song From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 14:22:20 -0400   > From: "Karl E. Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersv.edu> > Subject: The Wedding Song > > One of the organ msuic lsits is discussing this tgroublesome > piece. For those interested, let me share this attempt at a theological > analysis of "The Wedding Song" according to Christian theology. > Karl Moyer, you have contributed (in the richest sense of the word) so = many excellent posts to our discussions that it's difficult to point to just = one of them and describe it as the best of the lot. But I'm forced to that (tentative, and probably temporary) conclusion.   Thank you most extremely!   Alan Freed St. Luke's Church Manhattan    
(back) Subject: Re: Reuter? Tell me... From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 14:21:39 EDT   In a message dated 9/3/00 6:12:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, = cpeery19@idt.net writes:   << I have artistic questions about the proposal (too much tonal similarity between the Choir (which is essentially the old Great) and the new Great (which is essentially a new unenclosed wall-mounted copy of the old = enclosed Great!) >>   It would be nice to see the proposed spec. You would be very lucky to = have a choir division that is essentially and small Great. This is what it is supposed to be rather than the random collection of soft flutes, celestes = and a Clarinet!   I would suggest that other builders be interviewed as well for comparison, =   and recent installations from all of them heard personally. This is too expensive a project not to do all of the homework!   Bruce Cremona502@cs.com in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles visit the Cornely pack at Holwling Acres: Ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: Contacting me (x post) From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 14:21:36 EDT   In a message dated 9/2/00 7:28:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Innkawgneeto@webtv.net writes:   << Can someone tell me how I can get back on PipOrg? >>   Ooops! forgot the smiley face to show how light-hearted and friendly my response was;   ;-) (ok?)   Bruce Cremona502@cs.com in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles visit the Cornely pack at Holwling Acres: Ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: Contacting me (x post) From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 14:21:34 EDT   In a message dated 9/2/00 6:24:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, desertbob@rglobal.net writes:   << Now then...I've been ruminating about this soon-to-be-doomed Medinah Austin. WHERE could one put an organ of that size and power? Convention center?? Ballpark?? ANOTHER Spreckles? Hmmm...it IS a puzzlement. I'd hate to see this fine ol' timer broken up for parts/slag, but it don't = look good. >>   With all the train terminals being renovated for convention center space seems like one of these would be good. Then the organ could be used as humzak while people were milling around. The convention center in Jax FL =   has wonderful acoustics. They thought it was so cute when I was a child yelling "wooooooo woooooooooooo" in the terminal. They thought I was excited about the trains; HAH! I was checking the acoustics.   It's just a matter of finding some money-bags person who has an affinity = for pipe organs to get this done. Most of them have enough money to do it themselves. getting them to part with it is the trick, however.   Bruce Cremona502@cs.com in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles visit the Cornely pack at Holwling Acres: Ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: Grist for the rumor mill (x posted) From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 14:21:37 EDT   In a message dated 9/2/00 8:57:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, desertbob@rglobal.net writes:   << All of which makes me wonder what is going on at Reuter these days. = I'd hate to see them fold, as the Reuters I've encountered over the years = were pretty good, honest organs, free of "retro-faddiness" and tonally fairly even. >>   Which is why they may be having trouble. Most people have moved beyond = the *americanclassicthisorgancandoeverythingwellalthoughcrampedupinachamberwith= mor epistonsandextensionsthanstops* type of design.   Ya might want to jump on the train and catch up!!! ;-)   Bruce Cremona502@cs.com in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles visit the Cornely pack at Holwling Acres: Ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: Contacting me (x post) From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 14:21:35 EDT   In a message dated 9/2/00 7:28:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Innkawgneeto@webtv.net writes:   << Can someone tell me how I can get back on PipOrg? >>   Neil, I can't believe you're so helpless!! Search PipeOrgans and Related = Topics and you'll wind up at the home page. Scroll to the bottom and there is a =   place to join the list. Occasionally, the computer will bumb a member = just for the heck of it. Garbage-in/garbage-out does not always apply; computers are quite capable of manufacturing their own garbage and = dispense it freely!   I've had to re-sign-up for Piporg-L at least four times in as many years. = It's just part of the drill.   Bruce Cremona502@cs.com in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles visit the Cornely pack at Holwling Acres: Ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: Reuter? Tell me... From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 11:54:19   At 02:21 PM 9/3/2000 EDT, bReWsE cOrNeLy wrote: >It would be nice to see the proposed spec. You would be very lucky to = have >a choir division that is essentially and small Great. This is what it is =   >supposed to be rather than the random collection of soft flutes, celestes and >a Clarinet!<snip>   I tend to agree with bReWsE here in principle. All too often, the Choir = is relegated to being a "catch all" division devoid of any real principal chorus and becomes a repository for soft accompanimental and even softer solo stops, and won't stand on its own in terms of ensemble, save for a = few oddball mutations and a Plein Jeu thrown in to "brighten things up". = Sure, if there's room in the box to migrate a clarinet, oboe, vox, or whatever, fine. But having a "third" division under expression capable of acting as a foil to a reedy Swell is a good thing to have!   300 grand for an added division and new console is a bit steep, certainly...he says, understating things with tongue in cheek. At these prices, there's no wonder Allens and Rodgerses are flying off the shelves in record numbers!   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: Grist for the rumor mill (x posted) From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 11:57:23   At 02:21 PM 9/3/2000 EDT, you wrote: >Ya might want to jump on the train and catch up!!! ;-)<snip>   ....then again, I'd be a fool to catch a train that's headed for a collaps= ed bridge, now, wouldn't I? Sorry..."Frisky=AE "Air Calliopes=99" and other currently produced abberations ain't the future inasfar as I'm concerned.   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: Reuter? Tell me... From: "Charles E. Peery" <cpeery19@idt.net> Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 15:40:47 -0400   Following up --- several people have questioned my comment that $300K = sounds cheap, feeling instead that it's a LOT to simply rework the mechanics, console, and add a division.   I'm clueless about prices! Six years ago my former church thought it was building a new Sanctuary. (Never happened, education wing instead!) The committee talked with builders such as (forgive my spellings, they're from memory) Schudi, Visser-Rowland, VanDenHeuvel, Angerstein. Schantz.   The organs I really liked cost in the $695,000 - $1 million range. I = didn't feel they were extravagant for the program and size of the proposed Sanctuary. A local Casavant installation, completed within the last five years was reported as costing twice that.   Compared to that, $300K sounds cheap, and that's why I'm afraid the church will jump on this proposal once they start researching new organs.   Chuck Peery Cincinnati  
(back) Subject: Rodgers Organ Users Group From: "N. Jones" <gedeckt@usit.net> Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 16:12:54 -0400   Discussions on the PR-300 Users Group have influenced th emembership to = open the list to discussion of Rodgers Organs by users as well.   Thank you.   Sign up information at:   www.frogmusic.com/PR-300.html   Noel Jones, A.A.G.O.    
(back) Subject: Re: Reuter? Tell me... From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 13:23:18 -0700   Then BY ALL MEANS investigate an "experienced" organ from Organ Clearing = House .... there are some WONDERFUL redundant instruments out there (of ALL = kinds).   Cheers,   Bud   "Charles E. Peery" wrote:   > Following up --- several people have questioned my comment that $300K = sounds > cheap, feeling instead that it's a LOT to simply rework the mechanics, > console, and add a division. > > I'm clueless about prices! Six years ago my former church thought it = was > building a new Sanctuary. (Never happened, education wing instead!) The > committee talked with builders such as (forgive my spellings, they're = from > memory) Schudi, Visser-Rowland, VanDenHeuvel, Angerstein. Schantz. > > The organs I really liked cost in the $695,000 - $1 million range. I = didn't > feel they were extravagant for the program and size of the proposed > Sanctuary. A local Casavant installation, completed within the last = five > years was reported as costing twice that. > > Compared to that, $300K sounds cheap, and that's why I'm afraid the = church > will jump on this proposal once they start researching new organs. > > Chuck Peery > Cincinnati > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Reuter? Tell me... From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 13:20:01   At 03:40 PM 9/3/2000 -0400, you wrote: >The organs I really liked cost in the $695,000 - $1 million range. I did= n't >feel they were extravagant for the program and size of the proposed >Sanctuary. A local Casavant installation, completed within the last fi= ve >years was reported as costing twice that.<snip>   I think the days of million dollar plus organs in churches are just about over, due to slowly declining membership and retrenchment. There are exceptions, but formerly rich, active churches are seeing a continual "greying" and "dying off" of their supporters, with no one coming in to replace them. Case in point: Watch any broadcast of Her Bishness' with congregation present (if you can FIND one anymore. I think TBN "offed" her)...a veritable sea of white and grey. What were the "replacements" a= re going to "happy-clappy" and cult churches in record numbers, if any at al= l, and there doesn't seem to be much reversal in this trend now. This cuts income, and thus, money available for extravagances. Thus, the electorni= c poseur persuades more and more organ committees every year, as do pricing point builders like Wicks.   >Compared to that, $300K sounds cheap, and that's why I'm afraid the chur= ch >will jump on this proposal once they start researching new organs.<snip>   You COULD do a lot worse, you know..../sound battle1.wav   It's easy to have champagne taste. However, sometimes it's better to stu= dy fine beers as an alternative than it is to have a snit fit because the committee is adverse to buying tank car lots of Mo=EBt.   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: Reuter? Tell me... From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 13:27:34   At 01:23 PM 9/3/2000 -0700, you wrote: >Then BY ALL MEANS investigate an "experienced" organ from Organ Clearing House<snip>   Car dealers are wont to use the term "previously enjoyed" for used sleds now. Perhaps it can be used for organs as well! I wonder if Cal Worthington (and his dog Spot) could "pep up" the used organ market at all.....   California humor on a GLORIOUS day in the desert, DeserTBoB      
(back) Subject: Sowande From: "Ed Brown" <edbroorg@webtv.net> Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 17:40:00 -0400 (EDT)   To the person from Australia who sent me the copies of the Sowande works, "Thank you" I would like to send you a money order to cover the cost of postage. Please send anme and address by email. Ed Brown    
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding Rehearsals From: "Patricia and Bill Scoffield" <grampa@eagle.ca> Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 18:15:02 -0400   Listers, The most informative comment I've heard about wedding rehearsals came from an enlightened and light-hearted minister of the United Church of Canada. As the new organist, I asked him if I were obliged to attend wedding rehearsals. His answer was that it would be better if he stayed away and the organist ran them.... Later, I asked if we could lump some of the weddings together, instead of having only one per Saturday and ruining lots of weekends. The following year, he managed to get FIVE on one Saturday: 12:00, 2:00, 3:30, 5:00 and 7:00!!!!! Nothing like going overboard...but it was a real blessing to = not mess up 4 other weekends. Bill Scoffield    
(back) Subject: Re: Contacting me (x post) From: "Douglas A Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com> Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 13:35:51 -0400   Actually, there WERE many that were dumped from the PipeOrg-L list, BUT not intentionally. Since Ben is no longer directly in control of the computer that handles the listserv, there was a problem that someone solved by the most expedient way (ie NOT going to the back up)   If you resubscribe - everything wil be fine   Douglas A. Campbell Skaneateles, NY     On Sat, 02 Sep 2000 17:46:47 Bob Scarborough <desertbob@rglobal.net> writes: > At 07:27 PM 9/2/2000 -0400, you wrote: > >Can someone tell me how I can get back on PipOrg?<snip> > > Could it be you were unceremoniously "tossed", like many of the rest > of us? > > dB >  
(back) Subject: Re: Reuter? Tell me... From: <SProt82850@cs.com> Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 19:16:47 EDT   In a message dated 9/3/00 6:59:43 PM !!!First Boot!!!, = desertbob@rglobal.net writes:   << 300 grand for an added division and new console is a bit steep, certainly...he says, understating things with tongue in cheek. >>   And Steven replies, 300 grand isn't that steep when one has a new factory = to pay for!!   Steven Still a pipe organ architect & consultant   P.S. And I would have to agree with previous posts that one should do = their homework and shop around a bit. I would also make sure I agree with the tonal philosophy (assuming they have one that is beyond the usual = catch-all meaningless phrase of "warm principals, etc."!) of the company and would visit recent instruments to inspect for quality, craftsmanship, even and careful tonal finishing, etc.  
(back) Subject: Update From: <SProt82850@cs.com> Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 19:21:01 EDT   Dear Bill,   Thanks for the note.   I too remember with fondness, amusement and amazement our "little" project =   for Ric. I have to admit now in the words of Shakespeare, those were my "salad days". I really didn't know enough about what I was doing! As you =   might recall, I exhibited Rodgers and Allan van Zoeren's influence on my knowledge of tonal matters at the time as I recoiled in horror at the = thought of a scale 43 Diapason! In my experiences at Reuter, I have worked with = 43 and 42 scales routinely and I actually dealt with a 39 scale 8' Diapason = for the Solo division of the Seattle organ. Of course, finding room for a 39 = in a chamber on a pitman chest is another matter of terror altogether! = Suffice it to say that I have learned that it is as much how the stop is voiced = and finished as it is scale and that a 43, even a 42, is quite appropriate in = a large cubic volume. Of course, in such a room, I like the idea of = Skinner's first, second and third diapasons for providing both a variety of = diapasons for different uses and for the combined mass of sound.   I am preparing to leave Reuter after 2-1/2 years of learning the art of putting ep and slider chest organs together in a "get the next one out the =   door" factory approach to organ building. I would recommend Reuter to = anyone who really wants to learn how to put an organ together, but I would subsequently recommend that they find the door when they want to begin building organs of character, interest and visual beauty. I have had a constant fight on my hands the last few years to do anything besides hang pipes on the wall in a "flower box"! I am also tired of the management. = At least I have gained some valuable experience as a designer and been able = to experiment with a number of design ideas I have had over the years. I = have also had a regular and dependable income, which I have trouble finding = fault with!   As to my next opportunity in the world of organ building, I cannot as of = this moment say. I do know that I am moving to Minneapolis at this end of this =   week to live with my life partner, who is going to school for a Phd in psychology. We have been together 7 years now and separated for the last = two years as I pursued my career in Kansas and he pursued his degree in Minneapolis. If I cannot work out a long distance arrangement with an = organ builder as a designer/draftsman, I will probably pursue work as an = architect. I have two years of Autocad experience now and would enjoy employment in = a firm that does houses and churches. I plan to keep my hand in organ = building and design somehow and will probably advertise my services as a free-lance = if a full time job does not materialize soon.   So that's a brief curriculae vitae on me. How about your own organ = building career? What have you been doing since the cathedral and how is it going? = Please write when you have a minute before tuning season hits full steam = and bring me up to date.   Steven  
(back) Subject: Re: Reuter? Tell me... From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 16:31:45   At 07:16 PM 9/3/2000 EDT, you wrote: >And I would have to agree with previous posts that one should do their >homework and shop around a bit. I would also make sure I agree with the >tonal philosophy (assuming they have one that is beyond the usual = catch-all >meaningless phrase of "warm principals, etc."!)<snip>   Hmmm...methinks something is rotten in Denmark...   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: Update From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 16:41:38   At 07:21 PM 9/3/2000 EDT, you wrote: >I would recommend Reuter to anyone=20 >who really wants to learn how to put an organ together, but I would=20 >subsequently recommend that they find the door when they want to begin=20 >building organs of character, interest and visual beauty.<snip>   ....and what would THOSE be? "Frisky=AE "Air Colliopes=99"?   >I have had a=20 >constant fight on my hands the last few years to do anything besides han= g=20 >pipes on the wall in a "flower box"!<snip>   Well, some places just don't WARRANT anything but a "pipes in a flowerbox= " fa=E7ade! You have to fulfill customer desires, I would think, and if th= at's why they buy, that's what you build! When the point of compromise in budget is reached to where either the garish fa=E7ade or the tonal innard= s of the organ have to go, I'll trash the fa=E7ade every time! IT doesn't mak= e MUSIC.   DeserTboB  
(back) Subject: Re: Update From: <SProt82850@cs.com> Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 20:02:06 EDT   Sorry, list. That was meant to be a private post!   Steven  
(back) Subject: music for organ, trumpet & horn? From: "Thomas White" <tomwhite@hamptons.com> Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 20:43:40 -0400     Dear List   i am searching for arrangements for organ and two brass: trumpet and = french horn. These are the instruments my Priest is looking to hear on Christmas Eve but I am aware that this is = an unusual combination.   Any help would be most apprecitated.   Tom White Christ Episcopal Church Sag Harbor, NY   Doubltrump@aol.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Reuter? Tell me... From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 22:52:29 EDT   In a message dated 9/3/00 2:59:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, desertbob@rglobal.net writes:   << 300 grand for an added division and new console is a bit steep, certainly...he says, understating things with tongue in cheek. At these prices, there's no wonder Allens and Rodgerses are flying off the shelves in record numbers! >>   I tend to agree with DeSsErTbOoB in principal (oh dear... it's the end of = the world!!!) .... Even with a rebuilt, this is steep. I would love to see = the breakdown of what it ACTUALLY costs to do this work. Especially hearing tales of organ builders being stiffed for amounts of $60,000 and up!   Bruce Cremona502@cs.com in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles visit the Cornely pack at Holwling Acres: Ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: Grist for the rumor mill (x posted) From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 22:52:30 EDT   In a message dated 9/3/00 3:00:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time,=20 desertbob@rglobal.net writes:   << Sorry..."Frisky=C2=AE "Air Calliopes=E2=84=A2" and other currently produced abberations ain't the future inasfar as I'm concerned. >= >   Thank God for the final disclaimer. At least there's hope! heeheehee   Bruce Cremona502@cs.com in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles visit the Cornely pack at Holwling Acres: Ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: Rodgers Organ Users Group From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 22:52:36 EDT   A Rodgers Organ Users Group?????   Is this for abusers?? or recovery??? heheeeheeeheeeeeeeeeeee   Bruce Cremona502@cs.com in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles visit the Cornely pack at Holwling Acres: Ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: Update From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 22:52:39 EDT   In a message dated 9/3/00 7:57:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time,=20 desertbob@rglobal.net writes:   << Well, some places just don't WARRANT anything but a "pipes in a flowerbox= " fa=E7ade! You have to fulfill customer desires, I would think, and if that= 's why they buy, that's what you build! When the point of compromise in budget is reached to where either the garish fa=E7ade or the tonal innards=20= of the organ have to go, I'll trash the fa=E7ade every time! IT doesn't make MUSIC. >>   Believe me! You are not saving a parish ANY money when you plant pipes in=20= a=20 flower box on the wall. The savings is more than offset in maintenance and= =20 tuning. Not to mention that these things are seldom in tune ANYWAY. The=20 facade DOES make music. There is no more beautiful sound that a nice, stron= g=20 principal 8 in the facade to lead singing or to play a solo.   You're spending too much time in theatres, Bob.... or the Rodgertorium! ;-)   Bruce Cremona502@cs.com in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles visit the Cornely pack at Holwling Acres: Ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: Reuter? Tell me... From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 22:52:37 EDT   In a message dated 9/3/00 4:25:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, desertbob@rglobal.net writes:   << I think the days of million dollar plus organs in churches are just = about over, due to slowly declining membership and retrenchment. >>   Thank you Voice of Doom. I think you're wrong. There are plenty of = young rich church members in traditional parishes. And good will triumph over evil! (this means YOU!)   BBBBBBBBBWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA   Bruce Cremona502@cs.com in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles visit the Cornely pack at Holwling Acres: Ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502