PipeChat Digest #1337 - Wednesday, April 5, 2000
 
Re: -
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: Estey
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: Latest composition audio file available
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: Estey
  by <ManderUSA@aol.com>
Two Tubular Pneumatic Organs of Distinction
  by <ManderUSA@aol.com>
Fresno, CA Organ Teachers (x-post)
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Re: small pipe organ for sale
  by "Erik Johnson" <the_maitre@hotmail.com>
Tubular pnuematic action....
  by "Hugh Drogemuller" <lon.hdrogemuller@wwdc.com>
Another serious tubular pneumatic instrument...
  by "Hugh Drogemuller" <lon.hdrogemuller@wwdc.com>
Re: small pipe organ for sale
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: small pipe organ for sale
  by "Hugh Drogemuller" <lon.hdrogemuller@wwdc.com>
-
  by "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com>
viruses
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Re: -
  by "Mark Reeves" <mreeves@vzinet.com>
Speaking of Esteys...
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
 


(back) Subject: Re: - From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 19:32:32 +0800   That is a good program. I have used it for a couple of years. Updated to Norton 4.? Bob E.   Gary Black wrote:   > List, I have down loaded the Norton anti-virual program to see if > that has done the trick. Sorry for the inconvience. Gary Black > -- ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/      
(back) Subject: Re: Estey From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 19:49:16 +0800   There were hundreds of Estey reed organs in use in churches in this = country years ago. All except one that I played had direct mechanical action and were = foot pumped. The one exception was a two manual and pedal of more recent vintage = (1930s??). I am certain that that one too was mechanical. It was also electrically blown. It has to be remembered that all of those reed organs (Estey, Cornish, = Bell, Crown, Mason and Hamlin, etc.) used a vacuum to sound the reeds. They sucked = instead of blowed!! The European reed organs or harmoniums used wind pressure to play = them (they blowed!!). The difference was that the organs using a vacuum had a = sweeter sound than those that had pressure bellows and the reeds were blown.. Bob E.   Quilisma@socal.rr.com wrote: Hmmm ... THAT needs some explaining ... as far as I know, all but the = E-PROM   > model (which was electro-pneumatic action to reed chests) were direct > plunger/tracker action with the reed cells directly under the keyboards, = which is > why you used to bang your knees on the two-manual and pedal models. I'm = not aware > of Estey applying tubular pneumatic action to ANY of their reed organs, = and their > tracker action was, well, tracker action. I think MAYBE one of their = late-model > two-manual and pedal reed organs put the reed chests up at brustwerk = level and > connected them by a normal tracker action, but I may be thinking of a = Vocalion. > >    
(back) Subject: Re: Latest composition audio file available From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 19:53:40 +0800   Jonathon, I would much appreciate a copy of that file. Thank you. Bob Elms.   Jonathan Orwig wrote:   > Hi fellow chatters, > > Just finished putting the final touches on my latest composition: > Toccata-Flourish & Fugue on "Wachet Auf ruft uns Die Stimme" > > I have a RealAudio file of it for those of you wishing to have a listen = - > drop me a note and I'll send it to you as a file attachment. (warning: = it is > 963kb - some of you might have trouble getting files that large- if so, = let > me know, and I can send a lower quality file @ 600kb) > > Best regards, > > Jonathan Orwig > FBC Riverside, CA - USA > http://home.earthlink.net/~giwro/index.htm (personal) > http://evensong.homepage.com/ (Music Publishing) > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   -- ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/      
(back) Subject: Re: Estey From: <ManderUSA@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:35:50 EDT   In a message dated 4/3/00 9:48:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:   << I don't think the pipe organ manufactury survived the Depression ... I don't ever recall seeing a post-WWII Estey ... maybe somebody else does. I'm sure it's all in Ochse's book. >>   Dear Bud and List,   I hope I am not repeating what someone else has already written. I have = not been keeping up with the mail very well. George Steinmeyer, sometime = during my student days (somewhat after the Depression!) reopened the pipe organ division at Estey, and I actually drove up to pay it a visit. I don't know =   how many organs he actually produced - I recall one in Brooklyn, and I = know there were others, and I believe they had serious problems with wood splitting. Despite using presumably native woods, Steinmeyer (like Hill, Norman & Beard later on) did not reckon with the problems of North = American superheated churches. Anyway, I had phoned in advance of my visit, and had =   been told to come to the office, which I did. They all looked at me a bit funny (a life-long experience), and the attitude was something like, = "o.k., if you really want to see that!" I was given a large badge with a number, = and taken on a tour by some management type. After over an hour of being shown =   the huge number of models of electronic instruments ("This is the Silver = Fox model, one of my favorites!"), I finally got to somewhere in the far = reaches of these vast buildings, and there was the pipe organ shop. Nothing was happening, Steinmeyer was away with whatever crew he might have had, and = one had the feeling that not much in the way of resources was flowing in the direction of this bit of the company. I don't recall how long the = experiment lasted, and Steinmeyer apparently went on to do work unrelated to Pipe Organs. This was, I believe, in the 60s.   Cheers,   Malcolm Wechsler www.mander-organs.com  
(back) Subject: Two Tubular Pneumatic Organs of Distinction From: <ManderUSA@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:35:46 EDT   In a message dated 4/3/00 10:09:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Cremona502@cs.com writes:   << The console is attached, the facade is beautifully stenciled, and the tubular action is run identically to what it would be if it was tracker, complete with roller-board pattern. All of the people who played it remarked at how light this tracker action is, and were surprised to = discover it was tubular pneumatic. >>   Our firm has restored two tubular instruments of significance, and here = too, you have to play them to become a believer. Eton College is one, and = Bristol Cathedral (a great, old J. W. Walker organ) is the second. I have not = played Eton, just looked at it (which is already an amazing experience), but I = have played Bristol for Evensong with a visiting American choir, and it is = crisp and responsive. The decision of the cathedral to retain the tubular action =   says it all, although their reasons included a wish to preserve a monument = to the past, intact.   Cheers,   Malcolm Wechsler Mander Organs, Ltd. - U. S. A. www.mander-organs.com (wherein you can see a breathtaking picture of Eton)      
(back) Subject: Fresno, CA Organ Teachers (x-post) From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:56:43 EDT   I am doing some research for a friend who is in search of organ = instructors in the Fresno area. Are there any well established teachers that anyone knows of? Being in Detroit I am not in that circle of musicians. Also, = if any names come up, where do they play and teach? Thanks in advance.   Scott Foppiano, DIrector of Music and Liturgical Coordination National Shrine of the Little Flower, Royal Oak, MI  
(back) Subject: Re: small pipe organ for sale From: "Erik Johnson" <the_maitre@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 11:16:14 EDT     Greetings All,   I have only played one T-P action organ, a 1920's Casavant (about 15 = ranks). Here I have to agree with DeserTBob - glacial is about the correct = speed. And before any of you snap back - this organ WAS just restored to orginal condition only 5 years ago AND gets regulated twice a year. Still dead notes can be found depending on the weather. And heavy ?!?! It's more like =   heavy and "mushy" like heavy wet marshmallos!!! Why persist in trying to save an acion system that was (at best) a modest failure to start with ??? Fine save some extraordinary examples. = However, with the current actions and technology - it's doubtfull that the = "orginial builders" would choose to restore the T-P action!!!   All the Best,   The Maitre (dawning flame suit to prevent burns!)     >c.1860's Harrison organ at St. Peter's Episcopal Church in Fernandina >complaints of sluggish action, even on the large ones. I think it's >actually >quite reliable.     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com    
(back) Subject: Tubular pnuematic action.... From: "Hugh Drogemuller" <lon.hdrogemuller@wwdc.com> Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 12:28:35 -0400   Following up on Malcolm's post; the 1906 Norman& Beard in Wellington Town Hall N.Z. is a fine example of this action. This instrument is featured on Christopher Herrick's "Organ Fireworks VI" = .. The notes to this CD explain the detail of the key, stop and combination actions as = a three-stage supply pneumatic system based exclusively on leather = diaphragms operating on 11 inches of wind presssure. Carlo Curley had a very informative posting on the instrument two or three years ago on , I believe Piporg-L. A search of the Piporg-L archives should find = this.   HD    
(back) Subject: Another serious tubular pneumatic instrument... From: "Hugh Drogemuller" <lon.hdrogemuller@wwdc.com> Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 13:37:13 -0400   There is another very splendid instrument that Manders did a limited restoration on that Malcolm might not be aware of. It is the circa 1912 J.W. Walker standing in Sacred Heart Roman Catholic Church, Wimbledon in Southwest London. This instrument is virtually unknown. Young New Zealand organist Nigel Potts recorded it last year for Guild. The recording is titled "Around the World in 80 minutes" and the catalogue number is GMCD 7165. A glorious instrument in a stunning acoustic beautifully played. The CD can be = ordered off the Guild website <www.guildmusic.com>. It is possible to play some "clips" from it off the website. According to Ian Bell, a former Managing Director of Mander's, it is Tubular pneumatic throughout except the pedal couplers.   HD    
(back) Subject: Re: small pipe organ for sale From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 15:19:02 EDT   In a message dated 4/4/00 11:17:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, the_maitre@hotmail.com writes:   << have only played one T-P action organ, a 1920's Casavant (about 15 ranks). Here I have to agree with DeserTBob - glacial is about the correct = speed. And before any of you snap back - this organ WAS just restored to orginal =   condition only 5 years ago AND gets regulated twice a year. Still dead notes can be found depending on the weather. And heavy ?!?! It's more = like heavy and "mushy" like heavy wet marshmallos!!!>> I know of plenty of organs that have been poorly "restored" and receive quartery pathetic care from its service person. The key is that the work =   must -- MUST -- be done by a capable person. If the organ is a Casavant, = it is almost without question that it had a good start with good design. Rather than condemn the action, I would hope that someone would go after = the disreputable technician!!   << Why persist in trying to save an acion system that was (at best) a = modest failure to start with ???>> Even worse... why persist in covering the posterior of the incomp who poorly services this instrument. <<However, with the current actions and technology - it's doubtfull that = the "orginial builders" would choose to restore the T-P action!!! >> In spite of current actions and technology, I would rather guess that the good folks at Casavant would take great delight in restoring this = instrument if given a reasonable opportunity.   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com http://community.webtv.net/cremona84000/ALLHAILTHEPOWERand http://community.webtv.net/hydrant/TheBeaglesNest http://community.webtv.net/bruco/STORIESINGLASS  
(back) Subject: Re: small pipe organ for sale From: "Hugh Drogemuller" <lon.hdrogemuller@wwdc.com> Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 15:37:07 -0400   (SNIP) >In spite of current actions and technology, I would rather guess that the =   >good folks at Casavant would take great delight in restoring this = instrument >if given a reasonable opportunity. > >Bruce >. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles > Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com > Casavant are doing more and more restorations. They are able to work these in with their extremely busy schedule of new work. I was at their shop a few weeks ago and they had the Louis Mitchell instrument in one of the erection rooms. This is one of the featured instruments at the R.C.C.O. Convention in Quebec City, this summer. I heard some of the Cavaille Coll pipework that is in it. There is a 2' Piccolo to die for !!   HD    
(back) Subject: - From: "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com> Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 23:23:26 -0600   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_002B_01BF9C31.485ABD20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Hi list, I am jsut sending this to see if the virus tht I had in the =3D computer is gone. I hope this anti-virus program is working. Thanks. = =3D Gary =3D20   ------=3D_NextPart_000_002B_01BF9C31.485ABD20 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2314.1000" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Hi list,&nbsp; I am jsut sending this = =3D to see if the=3D20 virus tht I had in the computer is gone.&nbsp; I hope this anti-virus =3D program is=3D20 working.&nbsp;Thanks.&nbsp;&nbsp; Gary</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;<SPAN =3D id=3D3D__#Ath#SignaturePos__></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_002B_01BF9C31.485ABD20--    
(back) Subject: viruses From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 17:44:50 -0400   here in Montreal, most of the internet service providers have programs to prevent viruses from being sent to us. If someone sends an e-mail with a virus attached, it gets stopped at the server and both the sender and the receipient are notified. It's an option that costs a little more, but it's worth it.   Carlo  
(back) Subject: Re: - From: "Mark Reeves" <mreeves@vzinet.com> Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:46:28 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0017_01BF9E55.529A0EA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   It appears gone to me.   Mark Reeves, Dir. of Music/Organist FUMC - Canton, Texas http://netministries.org/see/churches/ch02328 ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Gary Black=3D20 To: PipeChat=3D20 Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2000 12:23 AM Subject: -     Hi list, I am jsut sending this to see if the virus tht I had in the = =3D computer is gone. I hope this anti-virus program is working. Thanks. = =3D Gary =3D20   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0017_01BF9E55.529A0EA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.3013.2600" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>It appears gone to me.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Mark Reeves, Dir. of =3D Music/Organist<BR>FUMC -=3D20 Canton, Texas<BR><A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://netministries.org/see/churches/ch02328">http://netministri= =3D es.org/see/churches/ch02328</A></FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: = =3D 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A href=3D3D"mailto:gblack@ocslink.com" = title=3D3Dgblack@ocslink.com>Gary =3D Black</A>=3D20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org" =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org>PipeChat</A>=3D20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, April 02, 2000 = =3D 12:23=3D20 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> -</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Hi list,&nbsp; I am jsut sending = this =3D to see if=3D20 the virus tht I had in the computer is gone.&nbsp; I hope this =3D anti-virus=3D20 program is working.&nbsp;Thanks.&nbsp;&nbsp; Gary</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;<SPAN=3D20 id=3D3D__#Ath#SignaturePos__></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>= =3D     ------=3D_NextPart_000_0017_01BF9E55.529A0EA0--    
(back) Subject: Speaking of Esteys... From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 23:48:59   Here's one from 1902, dormant since 1960, is you can believe the seller. = A truly nice instrument! See it at:   http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D300111961   Current bid's at $1,226, but isn't at the reserve yet. Still, a nice opportunity for the Estey fan, or a church needing to fend off a non-working appliance.   DeserTBoB