PipeChat Digest #1345 - Thursday, April 13, 2000
 
Re: organs in Orthodox Churches???
  by "Hans-Dieter Karras" <hans@hdkarras.de>
Organs in Orthodox churches
  by "VINCENT S PARKS, III" <legacyhouston@pdq.net>
RE: organs in Orthodox Churches???
  by "Jon Roussos" <Jon.Roussos@trw.com>
Re: organs in Orthodox Churches???
  by <DRPalko@aol.com>
Wurlitzer Pipe Organ Factory Tour (1926) (X-POSTED)
  by "Richard Schneider, President" <arpncorn@davesworld.net>
Re: Windows Help Needed!
  by "Jon C. Habermaas" <opus1100@catoe.org>
Re: Tuning myths
  by <TRACKELECT@cs.com>
Need address assistance
  by "dm726" <dm726@delphi.com>
Re: Tuning myths
  by "ldpatte@attglobal.net" <ldpatte@attglobal.net>
Re: Tuning myths
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Tuning myths
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
 


(back) Subject: Re: organs in Orthodox Churches??? From: "Hans-Dieter Karras" <hans@hdkarras.de> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:29:46 +0200   Hi Rick, the Armenian Orthodox Church is the only one, that allows organs and organ playing in service. Cheers, Hans ________________________________   Hans-Dieter Karras Concertorganist/Composer Music Director St.Ulrici Lutheran Church Braunschweig Alter Zeughof 2 D-38100 Braunschweig Germany Phone: +49-531-17280 / 17290 Fax: +49-531-16906   Email: hans@hdkarras.de URL: http://www.hdkarras.de ________________________________   ----- Original Message ----- From: VEAGUE <dutchorgan@svs.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 6:59 AM Subject: Re: organs in Orthodox Churches???     > I was surprised to hear that some Synogogues use organs. > > Rick > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Organs in Orthodox churches From: "VINCENT S PARKS, III" <legacyhouston@pdq.net> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 10:45:36 -0500   We have sold a few Allens to Greek Orthodox churches in our area. They = are used primarily for choral accompaniment and occasional incidental music. = I don't believe they are generally used for congregational singing.   Vince Parks      
(back) Subject: RE: organs in Orthodox Churches??? From: "Jon Roussos" <Jon.Roussos@trw.com> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 09:49:34 -0700   One rather obvious example on an organ in a Greek Church is the Greek = cathedral in Los Angeles. There is a large theater organ style console = displayed in the balcony. I have no idea how it is used.   This is a church which is built in normal style with a central nave and = side aisles, the interesting feature being the chandeliers HANGING from = where the columns would normally support the roof.   I understand that the place was built by one of the principals of MGM = studios so that would help explain some idiosyncrasies   Mr. Jan S. VanDerStad said   In the past couple of years there has been a major springing up of Orthodox churches here in the NYC metro area.   I for one, would like to know if organ use is part of the Orthodox liturgy or worship. I recently came across one church being constructed that had a decent size "organ loft" incorporated into the plans. I have a friend who is greek orthodox and she said in the Greek Orthodox church she attends no organ is used.   Does anyone on the lists know more reguarding use of the organ in an orthodox church?    
(back) Subject: Re: organs in Orthodox Churches??? From: <DRPalko@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:47:40 EDT   Most Orthodox churches do not have organs. Those that do will use them mostly for weddings, although some Greek churches do use light organ accompaniment under the choir singing for the Liturgy. I know Russian churches would never have an organ, not even for use at weddings. Many orthodox churches have lofts in the back for the choir to sing from. Dan Palko  
(back) Subject: Wurlitzer Pipe Organ Factory Tour (1926) (X-POSTED) From: "Richard Schneider, President" <arpncorn@davesworld.net> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:35:50 -0500   Dear Lists:   This item appeared on the Mechanical Music Digest. I've consulted with Robbie Rhodes, the Editor, and with his permission, I'm forwarding this to the various lists, as I think there is probably interested amongst the Readership in this:   Faithfully,   "Arp in the Corn Patch" Richard Schneider SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. Organbuilders 41-43 Johnston St. P. O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (217) 944-2527 FAX arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com Business EMAIL rnjs@family-net.net Personal EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com Web Page URL   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= forwarded = announcement=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D   > On Sat, 01 Apr 2000 15:42:26 -0800, Robbie Rhodes <editor@foxtail.com> > send to the Mechanical Music Digest List the following post: > My wife received an e-mail notice today from a store in Burbank CA > announcing new video releases, among them:   > Subject: Wurlitzer Pipe Organ Factory Tour (1926)   >> "Wurlitzer Pipe Organ Factory Tour (1926) A rare little documentary >> on the Rudolph Wurlitzer Mfg. Co. in Tonawanda, New York. See a >> mighty Wurlitzer pipe organ being built. A musical score on the >> mighty Wurlitzer pipe organ is provided by Ray Brubacher, popular >> east coast artist. Approx. 30 minutes."   >> The tape is now available on my web site = http://www.hollywoodsattic.com/ >> under the title Wurlitzer Factory Pipe Organ Tour. For those of you >> who would like to publish the availability of this tape in chapter >> newsletters, etc., here is the information. This will be the only time >> I will put this on the list. I don't want to be thrown off for >> spamming.   >> The tape is $19.95 plus $4.50 shipping. They can order through my web >> site (address above) or send check, MO, Visa Or MC to Hollywood's >> Attic, P.O. Box 7122, Burbank, CA. 91510-7122. Phone (818) 843-3366 Fax >> (818) 843-3821."  
(back) Subject: Re: Windows Help Needed! From: "Jon C. Habermaas" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:16:44 -0500   You best resource is the software vender. I had a similar experience with = a sound card and contacted the vendor..who advised me of a driver conflict and that the WIN98 Crystal =   drivers were incompatible with their soundcard. They gave me a work around which solves the problem. = Since each case is different no one can help you unless they are using the same software.   Good luck,   Jon   At 01:29 AM 04/12/2000 -0400, you wrote:     >If there are any Windows 98 geniuses out there, I need help to get two >identical soundcards to work in the same computer, for my PC Organ = Emulator >project. Can anyone help me? >I've tried a lot of things, so I really need someone who is expert at = this >stuff. >The soundcards are Creative Live! PCI cards. > >Thanks, > >Mick Berg. > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Tuning myths From: <TRACKELECT@cs.com> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 18:23:33 EDT   The discussion about air temperature vs pipe temperature reminded me of an =   interesting experience I had when I worked for a company in Washington DC. = I serviced a large Aeolian Skinner in down town DC. One of the church = trustees was a research scientist at NASA Greenbelt ( Maryland ) and an organ nut. This organ always had tuning problems. The research scientist ( I = apologise for not rembering his name ) put thermocouples ( electric thermometers ) = all over the organ. In the chests, wind lines, blower etc.. These were hooked = to a recording device. The large blower is in a small basement room inside of = a heavily insulated blower box. This resulted in a huge build up of heat. = This made it impossible to do an effective tuning because as the organ ran the wind got hotter and hotter. Thus as I tuned a pipe the room temp. air in = the pipe was displaced by air as much as ten degrees hotter making the pipe go =   sharp. looking at the read outs of the recording device I could see the temperatures everywhere in the organ going up as the organ ran. The = research scientist wrote up his findings and published them in the Diapason. I = believe it was in 1991 or 1992. I don't know what was ever done about this problem =   because I quit and moved out of the DC area around the time of the Rodney King riots.   Alan B  
(back) Subject: Need address assistance From: "dm726" <dm726@delphi.com> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 21:59:29 -0400   Hi groups,   I am again asking for assistance in getting the e-mail address for Harald from Sweden of Valle Radio. I had it and lost it when I quit AOL and the file did not save.   Also, anyone know if the Cathedral of the Holy Cross in Boston has a different web site up? It is no longer on tenorg.   Thanks Dave McPeak    
(back) Subject: Re: Tuning myths From: "ldpatte@attglobal.net" <ldpatte@attglobal.net> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 23:03:43 -0400       TRACKELECT@cs.com wrote:   > The discussion about air temperature vs pipe temperature reminded me of = an > interesting experience I had when I worked for a company in Washington = DC. I > serviced a large Aeolian Skinner in down town DC. One of the church = trustees > was a research scientist at NASA Greenbelt ( Maryland ) and an organ = nut. > This organ always had tuning problems. The research scientist ( I = apologise > for not rembering his name ) put thermocouples ( electric thermometers ) = all > over the organ. In the chests, wind lines, blower etc.. These were = hooked to > a recording device. The large blower is in a small basement room inside = of a > heavily insulated blower box. This resulted in a huge build up of heat. = This > made it impossible to do an effective tuning because as the organ ran = the > wind got hotter and hotter. Thus as I tuned a pipe the room temp. air in = the > pipe was displaced by air as much as ten degrees hotter making the pipe = go > sharp. looking at the read outs of the recording device I could see the > temperatures everywhere in the organ going up as the organ ran. The = research > scientist wrote up his findings and published them in the Diapason. I = believe > it was in 1991 or 1992. I don't know what was ever done about this = problem > because I quit and moved out of the DC area around the time of the = Rodney > King riots. > > Alan B   An extremely valid point Alan! We always hear about tuners requesting = "the heat on" in the church (sanctuary) before arriving for a tuning, but are we = neglecting the air space around the blower? What with these days of energy = conservation and "zone" heating/cooling, it is very likely that the space around the blower = is on a "set-back" schedule as well.   Dave C. London, Ont.      
(back) Subject: Re: Tuning myths From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 20:16:26   At 11:03 PM 4/12/2000 -0400, you wrote: >What with these days of energy conservation and >"zone" heating/cooling, it is very likely that the space around the = blower is on >a "set-back" schedule as well.<snip>   As I said earlier, blower intake air should come from inside the building, near the floor. During operation, the cooler, cleaner inside air gets heated by compression in the blower, and, by the time it hits the regulators, it should be close to chamber temperature. This, of course, assumes that the organ is placed somewhere higher in the structure, of course! Taking raw air from outside, basements, "blower rooms", etc., is just begging for trouble. True, very few installation have ducted intake air...but it should be a consideration, as should air filtration.   DeserTBoB > >Dave C. >London, Ont. > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > >  
(back) Subject: Re: Tuning myths From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 23:19:49 -0500   As per blower air temps....the instrument in Paducah,Ky. has the blower in = a dog house inside the swell chamber. Very quiet, and the intake air is the same temp as the swell box. Was just down there last week to check tuning......a few wild notes in the two-foot octaves....the rest is holding up well. The four celestes still sound terrific.   Rick