PipeChat Digest #1347 - Friday, April 14, 2000
 
Simon Gledhill plays Rochester on Saturday (cross-posted)
  by "Ken Evans" <kevans1@rochester.rr.com>
Re: Tuner tools.
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: Tuner tools.
  by "Dave G." <dave_hat@hotmail.com>
Re: Seasonal retuning, and "hard" tuning situations.
  by "Dave G." <dave_hat@hotmail.com>
Re: Tuner tools.
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Seasonal retuning, and "hard" tuning situations.
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Tuner tools.
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Tuner tools.
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
 


(back) Subject: Simon Gledhill plays Rochester on Saturday (cross-posted) From: "Ken Evans" <kevans1@rochester.rr.com> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:25:36 -0400   Just a reminder that you have a great opportunity to hear a great theater organist on a great Wurlitzer this Saturday evening! The day's forecast is for a clear day with temperature about 70.   Simon Gledhill will play the RTOS 4/22 in the Auditorium Center, 875 East Main Street, Rochester, NY 14605 at 8 p.m. on April 15th. Tickets are only $10 each for the public (RTOS members are free). Tickets go on sale at the box office at 7 p.m. and the inner doors open at 7:15. The Center's = theater has over 2,500 seats so there is room for all! Don't miss this great experience! Information, Simon's biography, driving directions, chamber layouts and pictures, plus a complete stoplist is at http://theatreorgans.com/rochestr/ .   Everyone is invited to stay in Rochester overnight to attend and listen to the 4/22 Open Console session from 9 a.m. to 4 p.m. on Sunday with time to get acquainted with fellow enthusiasts and partake of refreshments. Many excellent local and regional organists will be playing. Celebrate with us this weekend!   Regards, Ken Evans, President RTOS    
(back) Subject: Re: Tuner tools. From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 10:44:18 +0800   Doesn't work that way Dave. The reason for the seasonal adjustment is that the pitch of the organ changes with the air temperature, and any change in pitch will change the relationship between the notes slightly, particularly at the higher pitches. If the air temperature goes up, the flue work goes sharp and the reeds stay pretty much where they were, and have to be tuned up to where the flues are. If you use a tuner you want a tuner that can be varied over a reasonable range, otherwise you are going to have to reset the scale and change the pitch of the organ back to a=3D440 twice a year. Usually the seasonal = tuning consist of a checking of scale at the pitch the organ is at at that time (unless the pitch is a long way out) and then checking the other ranks., adjusting whatever notes are out. A tuner that stays put exactly on the a=3D440 and can't be varied would be practically useless. That is unless = you want to shift the pitch of the entire organ twice a year! Not for me! We don't use tuners anyway. The human ear is better! And Dave, all that typing in of pitches would be OK if noone had to pay for your time, and you had nothing better to do. There are much easier and more effective ways of tuning organs. Bob Elms.   "Dave G." wrote:   > >Get a TLA tuner from Laukhuff or directly from Marc Vogel. > >Its about the best around just now. > > What I need to do is type in a frequency (e.g. 767.231 Hz) > and get that pure tone so I can tune the pipe. > > I am not sure why the organ would need seasonal touch up > tuning unless the tuning gadgets had moved around since the > previous year. Otherwise I would expect the who thing > would stay in tune for decades. That's why I am designing > tuning gadgets that _stay in place_ over long time periods. > > DG > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   -- ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/      
(back) Subject: Re: Tuner tools. From: "Dave G." <dave_hat@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 20:43:46 PDT     > >Tuning gadgets that stay in tune over long periods of time< >Already been done 1000 years ago - cone tuned pipes.   Then why don't we cone tune everything now and save the hassle of = retuning?   ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Seasonal retuning, and "hard" tuning situations. From: "Dave G." <dave_hat@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 20:52:11 PDT     >Doesn't work that way Dave. The reason for the seasonal adjustment is = that >the pitch of the organ changes with the air temperature, and any change = in >pitch will change the relationship between the notes slightly,   Oh, that's right, now I understand.   Of course an all flue instrument wouldn't have this problem quite so much.   >The human ear is better!   Maybe yours is :-) I prefer to have a standard pitch I can tune to.   >And Dave, all that typing in of pitches would be OK if noone had to pay >for your time, and you had nothing better to do.   Suppose I give you a certain pipe at a certain pitch and say, "OK, now tune this teeny little pipe to be the 13th harmonic of this pitch." = Can you do it? Maybe, but I think a tuning gizmo that can produce the exact frequency tone you want the pipe to replicate will make it easier.   Very curious amateur pipe designer here! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Tuner tools. From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:04:16   At 08:43 PM 4/13/2000 PDT, you wrote: >Then why don't we cone tune everything now and save the hassle of retuning?<snip>   Because cone tuning tears up the pipework and makes retuning difficult at best.   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: Seasonal retuning, and "hard" tuning situations. From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:21:00   At 08:52 PM 4/13/2000 PDT, you wrote: >Suppose I give you a certain pipe at a certain pitch and say, "OK, >now tune this teeny little pipe to be the 13th harmonic of this pitch." = Can >you do it?<snip>   Well, I dunno about 13th harmonic tuning, but anyone that can't set a temperment with his ear by counting and timing beats has no business being in a pipe organ! OR a piano, for that matter. Tuning to an oscillator is really easy...and really easy to screw up. One can be very close on the fundamental, but be far enough off to create havoc in the upper harmonics. You have to HEAR the beats of the right harmonics to know whether it's set right or wrong. Sure, I can tune to an oscillator or a strobe, but I ALWAYS ear check it and count/time beats afterward when laying the bearings. Most of the time, a slight readjustment is needed to bring a note dead on in accordance to equal temperment after first being set with an oscillator or strobe.   >Very curious amateur pipe designer here!   That's obvious! You need to read up on the art and science of tuning = more. A good basic primer on piano tuning will suffice for now. Get "Piano Tuning and Allied Arts" by William Braid White, MusD., published by Tuners Supply Co. of Baaahstun some years ago, first published in 1917, with oodles of revisions and reprints. It'll give you an idea of what's supposed to be happening here.   As in the inscription before the preface of this work says, "Music, to create harmony, must investigate discord." ---Plutarch   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: Tuner tools. From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 02:24:19 EDT   In a message dated 4/14/00 12:24:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, desertbob@rglobal.net writes:   << Because cone tuning tears up the pipework and makes retuning difficult = at best. >> Oh puhleaze... People who don't know how to do cone tuning are the = ones that tear up the pipes. Don't blame cone tuning. Sheesh!   Forty whacks with a schpinette bromstick!!! ;-)   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com http://community.webtv.net/cremona84000/ALLHAILTHEPOWERand http://community.webtv.net/hydrant/TheBeaglesNest http://community.webtv.net/bruco/STORIESINGLASS  
(back) Subject: Re: Tuner tools. From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 23:42:37   At 02:24 AM 4/14/2000 EDT, BrewSe tje Bawld-One Man wrote: >Forty whacks with a schpinette bromstick!!! ;-)   OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH!