PipeChat Digest #1348 - Saturday, April 15, 2000
 
Re: Tuner tools.
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: Seasonal retuning, and "hard" tuning situations.
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: Pipe Organ Encounters (X-posted)
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: Tuner tools.
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
organ encounter
  by "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com>
Re: organ encounter
  by "Peder" <peder@carg.com>
Re: Tuner tools.
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: organ encounter
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: organ encounter
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Two German Organs
  by "Karl E. Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersv.edu>
Re: organ encounter
  by "Evelyn Rowe" <efrowe@mindspring.com>
RE: organ encounter
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
Re: organ encounter
  by "ldpatte@attglobal.net" <ldpatte@attglobal.net>
Dick Koomans
  by "Torben Krebs" <torbenkrebs@heaven.dk>
Re: organ encounter
  by "Dave G." <dave_hat@hotmail.com>
Re: Dick Koomans
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Project drawings
  by <DEMPAR1@aol.com>
RE: organ encounter
  by "Evelyn Rowe" <efrowe@mindspring.com>
Re: organs in Orthodox Churches???
  by "Barbara Eppley" <beppley@acorn.net>
tuning problems
  by "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Tuner tools. From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 20:01:27 +0800   OUCH!!!!!   Bob Scarborough wrote:   > At 02:24 AM 4/14/2000 EDT, BrewSe tje Bawld-One Man wrote: > >Forty whacks with a schpinette bromstick!!! ;-) > > OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! > OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! > OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! > OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! > OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! OUCH! > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   -- ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/      
(back) Subject: Re: Seasonal retuning, and "hard" tuning situations. From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 20:14:56 +0800   Dave, the "tuning gizmo" will not necessarily allow you to tune a note = exactly to its pitch.. Notes "pull" in when in unsion with each other. The ONLY = way to get it exactly right is to tune in fourths and fifths (or whatever, if you = are using other than equal temperament) and count the beats, and then checking = the thirds. That is what I meant by the ear being better. Minute differences = in pitch can be readily detected and you can't do that with a gizmo unless = you are extraordinarily lucky.   > >The human ear is better! > > Maybe yours is :-) I prefer to have a standard pitch I can tune > to.   Well your organ won't sound as sweet as it could do believe me!   > > Suppose I give you a certain pipe at a certain pitch and say, "OK, > now tune this teeny little pipe to be the 13th harmonic of this pitch." = Can > you do it?   Now why on earth would I want to try to do that? That is not a practical exercise..I could tune it correctly to the fourth or fifth which is more important with equal etmperament. You won't get it exactly right with your gizmo!   > Maybe, but I think a tuning gizmo that can produce the exact > frequency tone you want the pipe to replicate will make it easier. >   Maybe easier but not well tuned!!   Bob E.        
(back) Subject: Re: Pipe Organ Encounters (X-posted) From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 07:53:50 -0500   John   Thank you for posting this to the list - I have forwarded your post to the mailing list that our Chapter maintains to alert our membership about this opportunity. And I would strongly suggest that members of the list that belong to other Chapters in the SouthEast forward the posting to any of their members that have email addresses.   We all need to help encourage the development of more new organists to make our profession grow. And I have heard nothing but praises for the Pipe Organ Encounters over the years since the AGO started them.   David *********************************** David C. Scribner Sub-Dean and Editor, THE WEST FLORIDA ORGANIST Pensacola Chapter, AGO http://www.pensacola-ago.org mailto:ago@pensacola-ago.org 850-478-9635 - V 850-476-0711 - F  
(back) Subject: Re: Tuner tools. From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:57:22 EDT   and furthermore....       WHACK!   (hehehehehehe) Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com http://community.webtv.net/cremona84000/ALLHAILTHEPOWERand http://community.webtv.net/hydrant/TheBeaglesNest http://community.webtv.net/bruco/STORIESINGLASS  
(back) Subject: organ encounter From: "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 10:19:11 -0500       On April 12th, the Otter Tail ATOS chapter in Fergus Falls, MN held its first organ encounter with 19 enthusiastic 6th graders plus 1 teacher in attendance. We had a hands on deminstration in the lobby of various type pipes with small bellows to blow them. Next they were ushered into the theatre to hear and play the Mighty Wurlitzer. We divided them into 2 groups to go into the chamber with all the bells and whistles. Pizza and soft drinks topped off the visit. ( A great bunch of kids )   Luther      
(back) Subject: Re: organ encounter From: "Peder" <peder@carg.com> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 10:39:47 -0500   Luther, Wonderful to hear that your POE went well! I wish that I would = have been able to attend a POE when I was younger. Such was not the case in Minnesota 10 years ago...Peder -----Original Message----- From: Luther Melby <lmelby@prtel.com> To: Pipe Chat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Friday, April 14, 2000 10:23 AM Subject: organ encounter     > > >On April 12th, the Otter Tail ATOS chapter >in Fergus Falls, MN held its first organ encounter with >19 enthusiastic 6th graders plus 1 teacher in attendance. >We had a hands on deminstration in the lobby >of various type pipes with small bellows to blow them. >Next they were ushered into the theatre to hear and >play the Mighty Wurlitzer. We divided them into 2 groups >to go into the chamber with all the bells and whistles. >Pizza and soft drinks topped off the visit. >( A great bunch of kids ) > >Luther > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: Tuner tools. From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:17:12   At 08:01 PM 4/14/2000 +0800, you wrote: >OUCH!!!!!<snip>   Sorry! That was supposed to be private to BrewSe. It's all his fault...honest!   dB  
(back) Subject: Re: organ encounter From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:21:12   At 10:19 AM 4/14/2000 -0500, you wrote: >On April 12th, the Otter Tail ATOS chapter >in Fergus Falls, MN held its first organ encounter with >19 enthusiastic 6th graders plus 1 teacher in attendance.<snip>   Congratulations on a great encounter show! If more ATOS and AGO chapters would do this sort of great activity, the organ world's troubles would be over.   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: organ encounter From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:15:12 -0500   >At 10:19 AM 4/14/2000 -0500, you wrote: >>On April 12th, the Otter Tail ATOS chapter >>in Fergus Falls, MN held its first organ encounter with >>19 enthusiastic 6th graders plus 1 teacher in attendance.<snip> > >Congratulations on a great encounter show! If more ATOS and AGO chapters >would do this sort of great activity, the organ world's troubles would be >over. > >DeserTBoB     HELLOOO!!.... HUDSON VALLEY!!!!   John V      
(back) Subject: Two German Organs From: "Karl E. Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersv.edu> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:26:27 -0400 (EDT)     Can anyine inform me of details regarding the following two organs in Germany: Erfurt: Kauffmankirche   Pfeffingen: the village Evangelischekirche (I don't know the name)   Thanx. Dr. Karl E. Moyer Lancaster PA    
(back) Subject: Re: organ encounter From: "Evelyn Rowe" <efrowe@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:28:16 -0400   Did anyone besides me hear an NPR story about the teenaged panelists who appeared on one of the intermission features at the Metropolitan Opera a few weeks ago? One of them was an Iranian immigrant 17-year-old from Rockville, MD. He told the reporter that he got his interest in opera because the principal of his junior high school played classical music = over the PA system in the cafeteria. While the principal's purpose may have been to get masses of young teenagers to chill, I thought this was a wonderful low-cost way to get the kids interested in music other than alternative rock.   Evie  
(back) Subject: RE: organ encounter From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:11:16 -0500   I assume the junior high was in the US....   Peter   -----Original Message----- From: Evelyn Rowe [mailto:efrowe@mindspring.com] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 1:28 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: organ encounter     Did anyone besides me hear an NPR story about the teenaged panelists who appeared on one of the intermission features at the Metropolitan Opera a few weeks ago? One of them was an Iranian immigrant 17-year-old from Rockville, MD. He told the reporter that he got his interest in opera because the principal of his junior high school played classical music = over the PA system in the cafeteria. While the principal's purpose may have been to get masses of young teenagers to chill, I thought this was a wonderful low-cost way to get the kids interested in music other than alternative rock.   Evie   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: organ encounter From: "ldpatte@attglobal.net" <ldpatte@attglobal.net> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:40:03 -0400       Luther Melby wrote:   > On April 12th, the Otter Tail ATOS chapter > in Fergus Falls, MN held its first organ encounter with > 19 enthusiastic 6th graders plus 1 teacher in attendance. > <snip> > Pizza and soft drinks topped off the visit. > ( A great bunch of kids ) > > Luther   I've taken second year Mechanical Engineering students and Grade 6 elementary school students on tours through the power plant where I work. Guess who was more enthusiastic! I probably don't even need to say. Congratulations to the Otter Trail ATOS on such a clever endeavour. The experience will last the kids a lifetime, and give some great exposure - maybe even spark some interest to take the thing up! One word of caution, though. If a kid (by that I mean 11, 12 year old or young teen) shows a keen interest in the pipe-organ, but not so much in the piano, DON'T insist that they go all the way to grade 8 or 10 in piano before starting the organ. There are ways around this. I believe a thoughtful organ teacher could work through this.   Also, I did say this was clever, true, but not rocket science. There could be a great return realized from even a small effort. I'm sure the pizza & pop went a long way in putting the icing on the cake for these kids.   Dave C. London, Ont.      
(back) Subject: Dick Koomans From: "Torben Krebs" <torbenkrebs@heaven.dk> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 23:08:51 +0200   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0015_01BFA666.66678AC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Dear list!   Does anyone have the address/email of Dick Koomans, composer from =3D Holland? He has composed an interesting organ piece called "Basso =3D Ostinato", which sounds a little like something in the style of some 70' = =3D television crime series...=3D20   However, it is also very good music, and I would like to obtain the =3D score. Any help would be highly appreciated!     Torben Krebs Director of Music/Organist Ansgar's Church, Odense Denmark     ------=3D_NextPart_000_0015_01BFA666.66678AC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Dear list!</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Does anyone have the address/email of = =3D Dick Koomans,=3D20 composer from Holland? He has composed an interesting organ piece called = =3D "Basso=3D20 Ostinato", which sounds a little like something in the style of some 70' = =3D   television crime series... </FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>However, it is&nbsp;also very good = =3D music, and I=3D20 would like to obtain the score. Any help would be highly=3D20 appreciated!</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Torben Krebs</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Director of = Music/Organist</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Ansgar's Church, Odense</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Denmark</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0015_01BFA666.66678AC0--    
(back) Subject: Re: organ encounter From: "Dave G." <dave_hat@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:18:52 PDT     >I'm sure the >pizza & pop went a long way in putting the icing on the cake for > these >kids.   Pizza and pop also does wonders for computer science graduate students = also.   DG   ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Dick Koomans From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 19:20:46 EDT   In a message dated 4/14/00 5:14:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, torbenkrebs@heaven.dk writes:   << Does anyone have the address/email of Dick Koomans, composer from = Holland? He has composed an interesting organ piece called "Basso Ostinato", which sounds a little like something in the style of some 70' television crime series... >>   a dynamite piece!!!! I've ordered it from Brenda Durden, The Frantic Organist. I'd suggest checking with her: = http://www.franticorganist.com   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com http://community.webtv.net/cremona84000/ALLHAILTHEPOWERand http://community.webtv.net/hydrant/TheBeaglesNest http://community.webtv.net/bruco/STORIESINGLASS  
(back) Subject: Project drawings From: <DEMPAR1@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 20:28:51 EDT   Randy Burgum has designed a nifty pipe toe hole gauge that was featured in =   the Glue Pot last month. He was kind enough to share the autocad drawings with us for the purpose of posting it on our website so that anyone who wanted a copy could download it. I have also converted it to GIF files for =   those of you who don't have AutoCad. If anyone is interested in a copy of = the plans, please visit the ATOS-SMGC chapter site at http://atos.stirlingprop.com. You will find the plans under our = KNOWLEDGEBASE icon located just under the Saenger New Orleans Morton picture.  
(back) Subject: RE: organ encounter From: "Evelyn Rowe" <efrowe@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 23:05:46 -0400   Yes, right there in Montgomery County, which does have a very good public school system, the kind that people buy homes to be close to.   At 02:11 PM 4/14/00 -0500, Peter Storandt wrote: >I assume the junior high was in the US.... > >Peter > >-----Original Message----- >From: Evelyn Rowe [mailto:efrowe@mindspring.com] >Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 1:28 PM >To: PipeChat >Subject: Re: organ encounter > > >Did anyone besides me hear an NPR story about the teenaged panelists who >appeared on one of the intermission features at the Metropolitan Opera a >few weeks ago? One of them was an Iranian immigrant 17-year-old from >Rockville, MD. He told the reporter that he got his interest in opera >because the principal of his junior high school played classical music = over >the PA system in the cafeteria. While the principal's purpose may have >been to get masses of young teenagers to chill, I thought this was a >wonderful low-cost way to get the kids interested in music other than >alternative rock. > >Evie > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: organs in Orthodox Churches??? From: "Barbara Eppley" <beppley@acorn.net> Date: Sat, 15 Apr 0 0:00:41 EDT     I have heard Father Jim Miller play at the Armory in Cleveland, Ohio What a wonderful Organist he was ! x -- The Eppley Family beppley@acorn.net or eppleyb@cs.com   "I don't expect miracles..I rely on them"                                       q   x                                 The Eppley's: beppley@acorn.net,lilkate06@aol.com,blondi4692@aol.com,Yrexlncy@aol.com, smtp:eppleyg@bemis.com    
(back) Subject: tuning problems From: "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 12:05:34 -0500   For those of you agonizing over pipe organ tuning, there are several things to keep in mind: Tuning from any aural source, tuning fork or electronic tuner is subject to the middle ground effect. Source to pipe tone can vary as much as 2 cents in either direction before a very audible beat is heard when working with unisons. The only way to get closer is to work with fourths and fifths. A strobe type tuner will get you much closer, but then the effects of winding make it really impossible to get an organ well in tune without checking fourths and fifths and several octaves together. On many organs it may be necessary to tune with several stops on and muting pipes where necessary as in tuning a blockwerk. This is not perfect either since a pipe uses slightly more wind when actually speaking. One needs to learn to shade pipes individually when several are speaking to find the offending beat! I just today tuned an organ which can only be gotten close in tune by this method. One also needs to keep in mind that the pitch of flue pipes change about 2 cps or hz for every 5 degrees of change in air temperature. The organ I was tuning today goes from a 438 to a 442 in a very short time because of an unreliable temperature control system in the room. SIGH!!! Thanks to my TLA tuner, I know exactly where we are with pitch at any given time, and can take that into account; especially when working with the reeds, which of course do not change with the flues. Roy Redman