PipeChat Digest #1350 - Monday, April 17, 2000
 
Re: Need pipe sound samples!
  by "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net>
Re: Need pipe sound samples!
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
benefit concert
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Re: composer info needed
  by "Edmund Shay" <EdShay@colacoll.edu>
Re: Need pipe sound samples!
  by "Dave G." <dave_hat@hotmail.com>
sound samples, take 2
  by "Dave G." <dave_hat@hotmail.com>
Re: benefit concert
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
Re: benefit concert
  by <JKVDP@aol.com>
Re: benefit concert
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Les Rameaux
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Biltmore
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: A good book.
  by "Dave G." <dave_hat@hotmail.com>
Re: A good book.
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Need pipe sound samples! From: "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net> Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 07:21:11 -0400     > >(I am assuming that e.g. an 1' pipe 0.5 inches diameter will have the >same harmonic spectrum as a 8' pipe 4 inches in diameter, just shifted up = by >3 octaves) > >Thanks Much, > >Dave > Hey, Dave- look in a chamber or at a facade sometime. The length of pipes doubles for each octave lower, but the diameter doesn't by a long shot. = I'm not a physicist, but I would guess that the cross-sectional area of the pipe would be the measurement to double, i.e. proportional by the square = of the radius.   You're also getting into ocarinas instead of pipes with l/w ratios of 2/1 and 1/1!   Organbuilders, back me up on this one?     Paul Opel   http://www.sover.net/~popel      
(back) Subject: Re: Need pipe sound samples! From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 06:19:18 -0500   Paul Opel wrote:   The length of pipes > doubles for each octave lower, but the diameter doesn't by a long shot.= I'm > not a physicist, but I would guess that the cross-sectional area of the > pipe would be the measurement to double, i.e. proportional by the squar= e of > the radius. >=20 > You're also getting into ocarinas instead of pipes with l/w ratios of 2= /1 > and 1/1! >=20 > Organbuilders, back me up on this one?   Different organbuilders at different times have used various methods to calculate the halving ratios of pipes. The most common method used for Principal-type stops in the United States was developed in Germany by Sorge in the eighteenth century and T=F6pfer in the nineteenth century an= d uses the halving ratio one to the fourth root of eight, which results in the pipe halving on the seventeenth note. Not all organbuilders use seventeenth note halving, however. M=F6ller organs, for example, frequently have nineteenth note halving. =20   John Speller  
(back) Subject: benefit concert From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 12:44:12 -0400   Happy Palm Sunday everyone,   I'm playing a benefit concert today for a local charitable organization called "Chez Doris". They go around collecting clothes for the needy. The programme is as follows:   Toccata......Arthur Letondal Pacques Fleuris.......Alphonse Mailly Gigue Fugue.......Bach Ye Sweet Retreat......Boyce/Fox Toccata.....John Weaver Larghetto (6 pieces, #5)....Wesley Prelude & Fugue in E flat....Raymond Daveluy   ******intermission******   Concerto Gregoriano....Pietro A. Yon Introduzione ed Allegro Adagio Scherzo Finale   It's a free-will offering and all money received will go to "Chez Doris".   Carlo   p.s. anyone play "Les Rameaux" by Jean Faur=E9 today?  
(back) Subject: Re: composer info needed From: "Edmund Shay" <EdShay@colacoll.edu> Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 14:53:14 -0400 (EDT)   >Good evening everyone, > >does anyone know a place/website where I can get some information on >composers? I'm looking for biographical notes on Pietro Yon. Thanks. > >Carlo > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   Hi, Carlo:   You might find informatiion by searching The Diapason files at:   http://www.wu-wien.ac.at/earlym-l/organs/   The files begin in 1911 and run through 1998.   Good luck. Ed      
(back) Subject: Re: Need pipe sound samples! From: "Dave G." <dave_hat@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 12:44:40 PDT   >Hey, Dave- look in a chamber or at a facade sometime. The length of pipes >doubles for each octave lower, but the diameter doesn't by a long shot.   That is true, however, as we go down in pitch the typical pipe ranks get richer in overtones because they get skinnier in proportion to length. The key point is whether this is a linear relationship?   >You're also getting into ocarinas instead of pipes with l/w ratios of 2/1 >and 1/1!   Yes, but that is OK, that is what I am looking for. I'm guessing they are almost pure sine waves.   DG   ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com    
(back) Subject: sound samples, take 2 From: "Dave G." <dave_hat@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 12:49:33 PDT     Hi everyone,   OK my last post seems to have confused people, so I will try again. :-)   What I am looking for, in mathematical terms, is a function which, given = the pipe length to diameter ratio (or length to width ratio in the case of a square pipe), returns the expected harmonic spectrum of the pipe.   I was asking for specific ratio before in hopes of interpolating this function from them.   Thanks,   Dave ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com    
(back) Subject: Re: benefit concert From: <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 23:50:34 EDT   In a message dated 04/16/2000 12:45:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,=20 concert_organist@hotmail.com writes:   << p.s. anyone play "Les Rameaux" by Jean Faur=E9 today? >>     But of course!!!   Vicki Ceruti Organist Center Moriches Umited Methodist Church Long Island, NY  
(back) Subject: Re: benefit concert From: <JKVDP@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 00:02:59 EDT   In a message dated 00-04-16 12:45:56 EDT, Carlo writes:   << p.s. anyone play "Les Rameaux" by Jean Faur=E9 today? >> I guess you could say I played it here in Microsoft Land. At least I accompanied (and directed) the choir in a version by Dudley Buck which has =   some of the "corniest" accompaniment I have ever played. I did = considerable modification. Has anyone else done the Buck Version...and thought it was funny? Jerry in Seattle   P.S. Does anyone know what the original version of this was?  
(back) Subject: Re: benefit concert From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 21:13:37 -0700   Jerry - A DUDLEY BUCK arrangement of "The Palms"??!! I WANT IT!!! (grin). = PLEASE send me a copy!   Cheeers,   Bud   JKVDP@aol.com wrote:   > In a message dated 00-04-16 12:45:56 EDT, Carlo writes: > > << p.s. anyone play "Les Rameaux" by Jean Faur=E9 today? > >> > I guess you could say I played it here in Microsoft Land. At least I > accompanied (and directed) the choir in a version by Dudley Buck which = has > some of the "corniest" accompaniment I have ever played. I did = considerable > modification. Has anyone else done the Buck Version...and thought it = was > funny? > Jerry in Seattle > > P.S. Does anyone know what the original version of this was? > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Les Rameaux From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 00:18:31 -0400   Jerry,   when you asked about the original version, did you mean about "The Palms"?   Carlo  
(back) Subject: Biltmore From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 23:29:40 -0500   Any listers here know who restored the Aeolian/Skinner at The Biltmore?   I've got friends going there next week and they would like to know.   Thanks, Rick      
(back) Subject: Re: A good book. From: "Dave G." <dave_hat@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 23:34:29 PDT     Hi,   OK, I checked Irwin out of the U. library today... Wow I had forgotten what a complete resource that is! My only wish is that he had devoted an appendix to the Haskell reedless pipes, scales, diagrams, photos, etc.   Found another interesting book (mainly cool because of its pictorial categorization of stop types) -- "The Organ Stoplist" (Hans Gerd =   Klais, Praestant Press, 1975)   regards,   Dave   ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com    
(back) Subject: Re: A good book. From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 00:08:22   At 11:34 PM 4/16/2000 PDT, you wrote: > >Hi, > >OK, I checked Irwin out of the U. library today... Wow I >had forgotten what a complete resource that is!<snip>   Irwin's book is quite a work...a little bit of information on everything. Don't mistake it as a "dictionary" only. You have to read all the way through it to find all his dissertations on various aspects of design and voicing. His "Dictionary of Hammond Organ Stops", 3rd and 4th editions, = is also fascinating, even for the non-Hammond person. He goes into harmonic analysis quite deeply, and you'll find a lot of what he says applies to pipe voicing. The "Dictionary of Electronic Organ Stops" didn't have very much to say, however.   It's a shame all are out of print.   DeserTBoB