PipeChat Digest #1355 - Friday, April 21, 2000
 
Kilgen Clarinette (x post)
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Bossi & Dubois pieces
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
It SOUNDS Louder, but pressures weren't raised?
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Upcoming Detroit Recital May 5
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
"Ways *not* to build a good organ"?
  by "Greg" <homza@indiana.edu>
Re: Upcoming Detroit Recital May 5
  by "Dave G." <dave_hat@hotmail.com>
Re: Bossi & Dubois pieces
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Designing a small theater organ
  by "Dave G." <dave_hat@hotmail.com>
Re: Upcoming Detroit Recital May 5
  by "Ron Reseigh" <RonRizzy@prodigy.net>
Re: Upcoming Detroit Recital May 5
  by <PipeLuvr@aol.com>
Re: Designing a small theater organ
  by <PipeLuvr@aol.com>
Re: Upcoming Detroit Recital May 5
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Pipechat IRC
  by "dm726" <dm726@delphi.com>
Re: Designing a small theater organ
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Upcoming Detroit Recital May 5
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
X-post: Stories in Glass:  Good Friday Meditations
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
 


(back) Subject: Kilgen Clarinette (x post) From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 09:16:42 EDT   Due to misinformation the Kilgen Clarinette listed day before yesterday is = no longer available as it has been installed in an organ.   SF  
(back) Subject: Bossi & Dubois pieces From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:11:24 -0400   Bob, Glenda et al,   those 2 pieces are in a book called "The St. Cecilia Collection of Music = For Lent And Easter". It was put out by H.W.Gray (GB00663). My intuition tells me that the Dubois piece is probably an organ arrangement of a choral work and the Bossi may be the organ part of an arrangement for brass and organ, or maybe even an organ reduction (judging by how it's written).   Carlo  
(back) Subject: It SOUNDS Louder, but pressures weren't raised? From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 12:27:43 EDT   It is so funny how tuning, elimination of wind leaks and blower rumble can =   actually CONTRIBUTE to organ tone. Here at the National Shrine we = continue to chase down wind leaks and we installed two new wind socks on the blower =   lines coming out of the main blower. This eliminated the "roaring" noise = in the windlines throughout the chambers. In addition, we got our full = tuning for Easter. (We are now at a stage where we can proudly announce that the = maintenance contract for the Kilgen has been awarded to Fabry, Inc. of Fox =   Lake, IL. I worked with them ten years ago when I first moved to MI and played at a Presbyterian Church and I never cease to be totally pleased = with their workmanship, work ethic and knowledge of the instrument technically = and musically).   Having practiced for awhile upstairs now, I was actually surprised and overwhelmed at how good and how POWERFUL the organ sounds these days. = With all the work we have done in recent years the organ gets better and better =   and better. And with the tonal restoration work in February the ranks do = not fight against each other as they once did. The blend and cohesiveness is excellent.   To date it is the very best the organ has sounded- and we are going to = keep going on it so that it doesn't slip back to where it was 5 years ago. = What once was a "buried, sagging, leaking uninspiring rumble" is now a = substantial and exciting instrument that will peal out triumphantly over the next few days at our Easter Liturgies and for years to come.   REMINDER: Rededication Recital and Ceremony on June 16 at 8 pm, Tom = Hazleton guest recitalist.   Scott Foppiano, Director of Music and Liturgical Coordination National Shrine of the Little Flower,Royal Oak, MI  
(back) Subject: Upcoming Detroit Recital May 5 From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 12:37:27 EDT   Here is the information and program for the upcoming recital at Metropolitan= =20 United Methodist Church on Detroit.   ORGAN RECITAL Metropolitan United Methodist Church Detroit, Michigan Friday, 5 May 2000   Scott F. Foppiano, organist   Prelude and Fugue in D Major, BWV 532 Johann Sebastian Bach 1685-1750   Five Transcriptions by Virgil Fox J.S. Bach I. Sheep May Safely Graze II. Air for the G-String III. Arioso IV. Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring V. Now Thank We All Our God   O Mensch, bewein' dein' s=FCnde gross ("Das Orgelb=FCchlein") BWV 622 =20= =20 J.S. Bach   Mors et Resurr=E9ctio (Trois Paraphrases Gr=E9goriennes) Jean Langlai= s =20 1907-1991 =20 - INTERMISSION -     L'estro armonica: Concerto in A minor for Two Violins, Opus 3/8 =20= =20 Antonio Vivaldi (Transcribed for organ by J.S. Bach) 1678-1741 I. Allegro II. Adagio III. Allegro =20 Liturgical Prelude No. 1 George Oldroyd 1886-1951   Polonaise Militaire Frederick Chopin (Trancribed by Scott F. Foppiano) 1810-1849   Pri=E9re Ren=E9 Vierne 1878-1918   Sonate II in c minor, Opus 78 Felix Mendelssohn-Bartholdy I. Grave 1809-1947 II. Andante III. Allegro Maestoso e Vivace IV. Allegro (Fugue)  
(back) Subject: "Ways *not* to build a good organ"? From: "Greg" <homza@indiana.edu> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:41:05 -0500 (EST)   Did anyone else see this sarcastic little article in a recent issue of TAO? I believe it was in the last six months or so, but I can't seem to find any but the April and March issues lying around here (and I did not find the article in either of those.)   If you know what I'm talking about, please email me privately.   Thanks, -greg    
(back) Subject: Re: Upcoming Detroit Recital May 5 From: "Dave G." <dave_hat@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:43:00 PDT   Hi,   It sounds like a good concert, but isn't it a little heavy on the classical side?   If I were giving a concert meant to delight the public and get people interested in the pipe organ I would do a mixture of Jazz, Latin, Classical, Maybe a classic rock piece, Maybe a couple waltzes or tangos. Hello!!!!!!!!!!   I think we need to present a variety of music from many places/times in our concerts. Right now the public (if it has any impression at all) thinks of organs as suitable only for church and "old" music -- very unfortunate considering that the organ is probably a more musically versatile instrument than any other. This program only reinforces that stereotype.   And for god's sake how many ^%&()$*$ times do we need to play BWV 565?   Dave ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Bossi & Dubois pieces From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:34:17   At 10:11 AM 4/20/2000 -0400, you wrote: >Bob, Glenda et al, > >those 2 pieces are in a book called "The St. Cecilia Collection of Music = For >Lent And Easter". It was put out by H.W.Gray (GB00663).<snip>   Yes, I remember that folio. My database tells me I have it. Where, is = the question!!!   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Designing a small theater organ From: "Dave G." <dave_hat@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 15:38:35 PDT     A design problem to get everyone thinking.... :-)   Suppose you had to design a small theater organ, you have 4 manuals but no pedal, all pipes are unenclosed, no tremulant, at most one stop of 8' (although closed pipes of 8' pitch are OK). You get only 3 stops but they can be compound stops (more than one rank per stop is OK), 61 or 73 pipes/rank.   Here is my solution:   Gedackt 8', 4' loud Open Flute 4', 2' soft Evening Horn 8', 4' reedless 'reed' with timbre somewhere between saxophone and french horn   What do you think of this? How would you design a small theater organ for a public installation given these constraints, how would it differ from mine? Opinions, ideas wanted...   Dave ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Upcoming Detroit Recital May 5 From: "Ron Reseigh" <RonRizzy@prodigy.net> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 18:49:42 -0400   AAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMMMEEEEEEEEEEENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   However Dave, we'll never win that battle. Too many purists out there who believe that if it's after 1800 - it's scum.   R~ PS - I feel your pain. lol   ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave G. <dave_hat@hotmail.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 4:43 PM Subject: Re: Upcoming Detroit Recital May 5     > Hi, > > It sounds like a good concert, but isn't it a little > heavy on the classical side? > > If I were giving a concert meant to delight the public and > get people interested in the pipe organ I would do a mixture > of Jazz, Latin, Classical, Maybe a classic rock piece, Maybe > a couple waltzes or tangos. Hello!!!!!!!!!! > > I think we need to present a variety of music from many places/times > in our concerts. Right now the public (if it has any impression > at all) thinks of organs as suitable only for church and "old" > music -- very unfortunate considering that the organ is probably > a more musically versatile instrument than any other. This > program only reinforces that stereotype. > > And for god's sake how many ^%&()$*$ times do we need to play > BWV 565? > > Dave      
(back) Subject: Re: Upcoming Detroit Recital May 5 From: <PipeLuvr@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:54:43 EDT   In a message dated 4/20/00 3:45:11 PM Central Daylight Time, dave_hat@hotmail.com writes:   > If I were giving a concert meant to delight the public and > get people interested in the pipe organ I would do a mixture > of Jazz, Latin, Classical, Maybe a classic rock piece, Maybe > a couple waltzes or tangos. Hello!!!!!!!!!! >   We continue to program and play either (1) what "we, the organists" like, = or (2) what the educational establishment expects. And we continue to lose = more and more of the audience who really don't give a flip about BWV565. How many more organs and organist positions do we have to lose before we = realize MARKETING is what its all about and the organ community in general has = done a very poor job of it!   Exposing the public to quality music is one thing - force feeding it is = yet something else. You HAVE to provide what the PEOPLE, LISTENERS, = AUDIENCE, BILL PAYER's, etc. want! IBM learned that lesson when it nearly belly'ed = up with its PC computers designed like "their engineers wanted"; Apple = learned it when they did belly up after limiting themselves to a small audience = via closed architecture, and Bill Gates learned it and made a mint by giving people what THEY wanted!   Its time to explore new music, new registrations, new programming etc. = which appeals to a much wider set of listeners! After all, it would be nice if = a few organs were still in use after 2010 ! ! !   Best wishes to all! Bob  
(back) Subject: Re: Designing a small theater organ From: <PipeLuvr@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:59:19 EDT   In a message dated 4/20/00 5:39:34 PM Central Daylight Time, dave_hat@hotmail.com writes:   > How would you design a small theater > organ for a public installation given these constraints, how would > it differ from mine? Opinions, ideas wanted... >   Hi Dave -   Couldn't pass this one up!   8' Tibia unified at 16TC,8,5 1/3, 4, 2 2/3, 2, 1 3/5, 1 8' Vox Humana at 16TC, 8, 4, 8' Salicional at 16TC, 8, 4, (and maybe even 2' fifteeth!)   Properly voiced and regulated, the Tibia could cover at least part of the ground ranging from Diapason to Concert Flute. While Wurlitzer and others =   did make very small theatre organs without a tibia clause, that sound and = the Vox are what really make it happen for me.   Regards, Bob  
(back) Subject: Re: Upcoming Detroit Recital May 5 From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:07:16 -0500   At 11:54 PM -0400 4/20/00, PipeLuvr@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 4/20/00 3:45:11 PM Central Daylight Time, >dave_hat@hotmail.com writes: > > > If I were giving a concert meant to delight the public and > > get people interested in the pipe organ I would do a mixture > > of Jazz, Latin, Classical, Maybe a classic rock piece, Maybe > > a couple waltzes or tangos. Hello!!!!!!!!!! > > > >We continue to program and play either (1) what "we, the organists" like, = or >(2) what the educational establishment expects. And we continue to lose = more >and more of the audience who really don't give a flip about BWV565. How >many more organs and organist positions do we have to lose before we = realize >MARKETING is what its all about and the organ community in general has = done a >very poor job of it!   Recently I got Robert Ampt's new book on the Sydney Town Hall organ, which is interesting in and of itself concerning the organ. BUT there is also a section where Robert talks about being a Town Hall Organist and how to go about programming for the General Public in situations like he has to deal with in Sydney. Quite an interesting discussion on his part and something we all should read and take note of.   As i understand from Robert, the OHS is going to be carrying the book shortly so get yourself a copy of it and read that section.   David    
(back) Subject: Pipechat IRC From: "dm726" <dm726@delphi.com> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 00:51:24 -0400   Hi Gang,   Just a reminder that Pipechat IRC is on tonight starting at 9:00 Eastern Daylight Time. Please join us for for an evening of "organic" talk and remember to listen to Theater Organ Time from RTRFM, in Perth, Australia. www.global.net.au/~duo   Hope to chat with you tonight.   Cheers, Dave McPeak <Mack>    
(back) Subject: Re: Designing a small theater organ From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 02:52:02 EDT   In a message dated 4/20/00 6:39:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dave_hat@hotmail.com writes:   << Suppose you had to design a small theater organ, you have 4 manuals but no pedal, all pipes are unenclosed, no tremulant, at most one stop of 8' (although closed pipes of 8' pitch are OK). You get only 3 stops but they can be compound stops (more than one rank per stop is OK), 61 or 73 pipes/rank. >>   Hmmmm. a three stop theatre organ. I would do:   Tibia 16 (tc) 8 4 2-2/3 2 1-3/5 1 Viole de orchestre 16 (tc) 8 4 2-2/3 2 Oboe & Clarinet -- Oboe 16 (tc) 8 and Clarinet 8 from mid-c   or....   since there can be a compound stop... Tibia Vox de strings IX Kinuras au d'bazooo   ;-)     Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com http://community.webtv.net/cremona84000/ALLHAILTHEPOWERand http://community.webtv.net/hydrant/TheBeaglesNest http://community.webtv.net/bruco/STORIESINGLASS  
(back) Subject: Re: Upcoming Detroit Recital May 5 From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 02:54:08 EDT   In a message dated 4/20/00 6:54:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, RonRizzy@prodigy.net writes:   << However Dave, we'll never win that battle. Too many purists out = there who believe that if it's after 1800 - it's scum. >>   I'm a purist....   and I purely love playing rags, waltzes and orchestral and piano transcriptions (Debussy, Beethoven, Clementi, etc.) on my recitals. = Waltzes and dances, I think, come off especially well.   Perhaps after 1950 is more likely to be scum.... ;-)     Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com http://community.webtv.net/cremona84000/ALLHAILTHEPOWERand http://community.webtv.net/hydrant/TheBeaglesNest http://community.webtv.net/bruco/STORIESINGLASS  
(back) Subject: X-post: Stories in Glass: Good Friday Meditations From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 03:15:14 EDT   S T O R I E S I N G L A S S I V=20   HOLY TRINITY EPISCOPAL CHURCH   Window in the Chancel behind the =E2=80=9CNorth=E2=80=9D Organ Case Pieta The Carving on the Reredos The Pelican   21 April 2000 ~~ Good Friday ~~ Half-past Noon   Meditations for Good Friday   Bruce Cornely, organist   Today=E2=80=99s recital is offered as an additional opportunity for meditati= on on the=20 events and meaning of Good Friday. The program will be played without=20 narration, and you are encouraged and invited to come to the altar rail for=20 prayer, and to view the focal points of todays program: the window behind=20 the pedal organ case, Pieta, and the wood carving on the redos, The Pelican.= =20 If there are particular hymns that would be helpful in your meditation,=20 please come to the organ console and let me know. The hymns will be=20 included in the program.   Le Banquet Celeste . . . Olivier Messiaen (1908-1992)   Elegy . . . Martin How (b. 1931)   Agnus Dei (from =E2=80=9CRequiem=E2=80=9D) . . . . Gabriel Faure (1845-19= 24)   =E2=80=9CAve Verum=E2=80=9D . . . Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart (1756-1791)   Priere a Notre Dame (Suite Gothique) . . . Leon Boellmann (1862-1897)   =E2=80=9CReflection=E2=80=9D . . . Frank Asper (1892-1973)   Jesus, the Very Thought of Thee . . . Charles Callahan (b. 1951)   Gracious Mother of the Redeemer . . . Charles Callahan (Alma Redemptoris Mater) =20   Aria . . . Flor Peeters (1903-1986)   Meditation . . . Nicholas Choveaux (1904-1995)=20   (sorry, folks! No rags or waltzes on this one. Just couldn't work 'em in= !=20 ;-) )     Stories in Glass V will be on Easter Day at 4PM.   Bruce=20 .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com http://community.webtv.net/cremona84000/ALLHAILTHEPOWERand http://community.webtv.net/hydrant/TheBeaglesNest http://community.webtv.net/bruco/STORIESINGLASS