PipeChat Digest #1367 - Friday, April 28, 2000
 
Re: A Serious Question
  by <Quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: A Serious Question
  by "Dave G." <dave_hat@hotmail.com>
Choral List Info (x post)
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Re: Hearing Protection During Tuning - Cross Posted
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Hearing Protection During Tuning - Cross Posted
  by <Quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: multi-use of church buildings
  by "Wendy S Coleman, MD" <wcoleman@facstaff.wisc.edu>
Re: A Serious Question
  by "Nelson And Tracy Denton" <ndenton@cgocable.net>
Re: A Serious Question
  by "Nelson And Tracy Denton" <ndenton@cgocable.net>
Fw: Hearing Protection During Tuning - Cross Posted
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Fw: A Serious Question
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: A Serious Question
  by "Nelson And Tracy Denton" <ndenton@cgocable.net>
Re: A Serious Question
  by "Dave G." <dave_hat@hotmail.com>
Re: Choral List Info (x post)
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
Swell Pedal Wanted
  by <MickBerg@aol.com>
Re: multi-use of church buildings
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
 


(back) Subject: Re: A Serious Question From: <Quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 18:42:36 -0700   First, I'd find out who owns the old Estey patents. I KNOW they made reedless reeds; I don't recall offhand if anyone else did. Nor do I = remember at this point what they sounded like ... mostly oboes for small rural organs.   Cheers,   Bud   "Dave G." wrote:   > Hi All, > > In the last couple days events have taken a sharp turn... > > Those of you who are in the organ building business or have > contacts in that business, please help: > > If reedless reed pipes were to become available that had > superior tone and loudness comparable with 'real' reed > pipes, what do you estimate the profit for their manufacture > would be, assuming one had the sole patent on the technology? > How big would the market be? I need to know this before > I start up a big $$ research project on this. > > Dave > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: A Serious Question From: "Dave G." <dave_hat@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 19:11:43 PDT     >First, I'd find out who owns the old Estey patents.   Nobody does; patents last for 20 years, then the invention is in the public domain!   >I KNOW they made >reedless reeds; I don't recall offhand if anyone else did. Nor do I >remember >at this point what they sounded like ... mostly oboes for small rural >organs.   A couple of my contacts have sent me the original patents, they are fairly =   uninspired designs.   BUT let's suppose that really good quality, comparable to the real thing reedless reeds became available, what would the market be? $1000/year, $10000/year, $100000/year, $1000000/year??? What do you all think?   Thanks,   Dave   ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com    
(back) Subject: Choral List Info (x post) From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 23:16:17 EDT   Does anyone have information on a list dealing with choral music and = singers? Any info will be greatly appreciated.   Thanks-   Scott F. Foppiano, Director of Music and Liturgical Coordination National Shrine of the Little Flower, Royal Oak, MI  
(back) Subject: Re: Hearing Protection During Tuning - Cross Posted From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 22:56:09 -0500   Nelson talks about standing on one foot with curled toes while doing long tunings.......... I tune an old Koehnken and Grimm tracker that I WISH I could use a bunjie cord to hang from inside the swell box while tuning. There is ABSOLUTELY no place to sit or stand in there! Thank God I'm = skinny.   For 'bench-butt', try a vibrating cushion--and be glad you're not sitting = on a Howard Seat!   Rick        
(back) Subject: Re: Hearing Protection During Tuning - Cross Posted From: <Quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 21:33:20 -0700   Rick - if it's like the K & Gs in Cincinnati, you're supposed to take the = SWELL SHADES off to tune (grin). Aren't the reeds closest to the shades?   Cheers,   Bud   VEAGUE wrote:   > Nelson talks about standing on one foot with curled toes while doing = long > tunings.......... I tune an old Koehnken and Grimm tracker that I WISH = I > could use a bunjie cord to hang from inside the swell box while tuning. > There is ABSOLUTELY no place to sit or stand in there! Thank God I'm = skinny. > > For 'bench-butt', try a vibrating cushion--and be glad you're not = sitting on > a Howard Seat! > > Rick > Rick > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: multi-use of church buildings From: "Wendy S Coleman, MD" <wcoleman@facstaff.wisc.edu> Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 23:37:15 -0700   I now know how to respond when I hear any complaints after Church about = the congregation clapping their approval at the end of the postlude. Almost = the entire congregation sits after the benediction, listening to the musical end of the service. Some people get up to leave quietly and that is OK = too. Silence followed some of the postludes during lent (more subdued) but = there was quite an appreciative statement after the Widor Toccata at the end of the service on Easter morning. It certainly could be alot worse!!!! - they could get up and leave and talk as they go!!! Don DeBruin, our music director and the organist at First Congregational Church also has developed quite a following for his evening organ concert series. The 11pm concert very close to Halloween is a real hoot. Audience often comes in costume (not the organist) and we make sure there are drinks and treats after this concert and the others scheduled each year. - and we eat and drink in the back of the sanctuary - No wine though. He seems to know how to plan music that brings people back for more. We even have a mailing list ! Also, organists in town are very willing to promote the concerts = and programs of other musicians here. Nice cooperative effort Wendy Coleman, page turner, etc....    
(back) Subject: Re: A Serious Question From: "Nelson And Tracy Denton" <ndenton@cgocable.net> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 01:23:22 -0400   i've got an old Aeoline Free Reed Bell Clarinet Lovely sound very authentic. Uses ordinary reed organ reeds. A435 though :-(( Harder to tune to higher pitches without tinkering.   The reed organ guys would love you if you started making reeds Nelson Denton R. A. Denton & Son Pipe Organ Builders Hamilton Ontario Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave G." <dave_hat@hotmail.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 10:11 PM Subject: Re: A Serious Question     > > >First, I'd find out who owns the old Estey patents. > > Nobody does; patents last for 20 years, then the invention > is in the public domain! > > >I KNOW they made > >reedless reeds; I don't recall offhand if anyone else did. Nor do I > >remember > >at this point what they sounded like ... mostly oboes for small rural > >organs. > > A couple of my contacts have sent me the original patents, they are = fairly > uninspired designs. > > BUT let's suppose that really good quality, comparable to the real thing > reedless reeds became available, what would the market be? > $1000/year, $10000/year, $100000/year, $1000000/year??? What do you all > think? > > Thanks, > > Dave > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Re: A Serious Question From: "Nelson And Tracy Denton" <ndenton@cgocable.net> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 01:26:22 -0400   I also have an D. W. Karn "Oboe Gamba" A string pipe made to sound like = an organ type oboe made by Bill Potter It sounds quite real at a distance. = Not overly strong in volume but an interesting sound Nelson Denton R. A. Denton & Son Pipe Organ Builders Hamilton Ontario Canada    
(back) Subject: Fw: Hearing Protection During Tuning - Cross Posted From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 00:22:56 -0500   Hi Bud- I take the working/non-working display pipes and the shades out to tune, but there still aint no place to park my butt for tuning. I precariously hang on to something while tuning. There are no reeds on this little gem- there's a chimney flute, diapason, bourdon, nazard and tierce. 56-note single manual, 30-note pedal with pedal-to-manual coupler and a mechanical latch-lock swell foot lever. Pump organ-type drawstops on either side of the manual. It fills the church very nicely with sweet music. The hand-pumped feeders were tapped in with a blower. It even still has the origional lamp holders by the music rack.   Rick       ----- Original Message ----- From: <Quilisma@socal.rr.com> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 11:33 PM Subject: Re: Hearing Protection During Tuning - Cross Posted     > Rick - if it's like the K & Gs in Cincinnati, you're supposed to take = the SWELL > SHADES off to tune (grin). Aren't the reeds closest to the shades? > > Cheers, > > Bud > > VEAGUE wrote: > > > Nelson talks about standing on one foot with curled toes while doing long > > tunings.......... I tune an old Koehnken and Grimm tracker that I = WISH I > > could use a bunjie cord to hang from inside the swell box while = tuning. > > There is ABSOLUTELY no place to sit or stand in there! Thank God I'm skinny. > > > > For 'bench-butt', try a vibrating cushion--and be glad you're not sitting on > > a Howard Seat! > > > > Rick > > Rick > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Fw: A Serious Question From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 00:26:09 -0500   I'm using pump organ reeds on my Dutch street organ for the horn. Quite a tonal difference with air blowing thru the reeds with wood resonators.   Rick     ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson And Tracy Denton <ndenton@cgocable.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 12:23 AM Subject: Re: A Serious Question     > i've got an old Aeoline Free Reed Bell Clarinet Lovely sound very > authentic. Uses ordinary reed organ reeds. A435 though :-(( Harder to > tune to higher pitches without tinkering. > > The reed organ guys would love you if you started making reeds > Nelson Denton > R. A. Denton & Son > Pipe Organ Builders > Hamilton Ontario Canada > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave G." <dave_hat@hotmail.com> > To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 10:11 PM > Subject: Re: A Serious Question > > > > > > >First, I'd find out who owns the old Estey patents. > > > > Nobody does; patents last for 20 years, then the invention > > is in the public domain! > > > > >I KNOW they made > > >reedless reeds; I don't recall offhand if anyone else did. Nor do I > > >remember > > >at this point what they sounded like ... mostly oboes for small rural > > >organs. > > > > A couple of my contacts have sent me the original patents, they are fairly > > uninspired designs. > > > > BUT let's suppose that really good quality, comparable to the real = thing > > reedless reeds became available, what would the market be? > > $1000/year, $10000/year, $100000/year, $1000000/year??? What do you = all > > think? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Dave > > > > = ________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at = http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: A Serious Question From: "Nelson And Tracy Denton" <ndenton@cgocable.net> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 01:33:43 -0400   3rd thought? I wonder what electronic reeds would be like with tiny electronic transducers in the bottoms of real organ reed pipes. didn't Peterson try something like this at some time with a set of brass reed resonators?   Sort of like "Conn Pipes" only more real. The "Choralcello" from the = turn of the century used this principal and Later Neil Shaw used it in his = Shaw Organs. Loudspeakers mounted in the bottoms of those "Cardboard = Concrete Forming Tubes" made for concrete pilings   Nelson Denton R. A. Denton & Son Pipe Organ Builders Hamilton Ontario Canada    
(back) Subject: Re: A Serious Question From: "Dave G." <dave_hat@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 23:05:02 PDT   >I also have an D. W. Karn "Oboe Gamba" A string pipe made to sound like = an >organ type oboe made by Bill Potter It sounds quite real at a distance. = Not >overly strong in volume but an interesting sound   Can you post some info about the pipe? Is there a sound file of it anywhere?   DG   ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Choral List Info (x post) From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 01:14:02 -0500       ScottFop@aol.com wrote:   > Does anyone have information on a list dealing with choral music and = singers? > Any info will be greatly appreciated.   See <www.choralnet.org>   ns    
(back) Subject: Swell Pedal Wanted From: <MickBerg@aol.com> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 03:23:33 EDT   Greetings everyone.   I need a Klann Swell pedal, the kind with the sheet metal curved foot = pedal, with black rubber covering, and the rack-and-pinion mechanism to turn an audio potentiometer. Anybody got a spare one? Please reply privately to;   Mick Berg (mickberg@AOL.com)   Thank you.  
(back) Subject: Re: multi-use of church buildings From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 16:07:07 +0800   Just a minute Bob, that is gross generalization!! I love playing for church services, whether there is anyone listening or = not. The function of worship in a church is NOT playing for an audience, and if = that is your sole purpose in playing for a service then I feel sorry for you! = You have lost the plot somewhere along the line.   To say that churches "don't care about you" is utter rubbish! If that is = your experience my friend, you chose the wrong church!!   Bob E.       Bob Scarborough wrote:   > At 08:14 PM 4/27/2000 EDT, you wrote: > >I've worked in churches where often the postlude was > >ended in darkness, since it was the usher's job to turn of the "house" > >lights! Really makes one feel appreciated.<snip> > > ...which is why I won't waste my time on churches anymore. They don't = care > about you, so why care about them?? > > DeserTBoB > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   -- ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/