PipeChat Digest #1368 - Friday, April 28, 2000
 
Re: Ellsasser stuff, Christmas
  by <FiveManual@aol.com>
Re: multi-use of church buildings
  by "ldpatte@attglobal.net" <ldpatte@attglobal.net>
Re: Hearing Protection During Tuning - Cross Posted
  by "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net>
Re: A Serious Question
  by "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net>
Re: multi-use of church buildings
  by "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net>
Fw: multi-use of church buildings
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Fw: Hearing Protection During Tuning - Cross Posted
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Fw: A Serious Question
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Fw: A Serious Question
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Tom Hazleton Plays Rochester Wurlitzer on May 13 (cross-posted).
  by "Ken Evans" <kevans1@rochester.rr.com>
CATOE Chicago Theatres tour
  by "Jon C. Habermaas" <opus1100@catoe.org>
Re: multi-use of church buildings
  by <Quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: multi-use of church buildings
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Free Reeds / Reedless Reeds
  by <Quilisma@socal.rr.com>
why I don't quit
  by <Quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: multi-use of church buildings
  by "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@home.com>
Estey reedless reeds
  by "Weber, Richard" <rweber@aero.net>
Re: Fw: multi-use of church buildings
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Ellsasser stuff, Christmas From: <FiveManual@aol.com> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 06:51:38 EDT   The problem with all of the Elsasser recordings made at the Hammond Castle = is indeed the mics and their placement. For those of you who might not be familiar with John Hayes Hammond and the castle or who might not have = gotten the "tour" when there, the organ at the castle is divided into 8 chambers = 6 of which are located high in towers on the right and left of the great = hall. the 7th chamber sits atop a gallery at the close end of the great hall and =   the 8th is on the floor level of the great hall under that gallery. The console now resides just in front of the 8th chamber on a movable = platform. Originally the console was perched in it's own small balcony half way down =   the great hall and half way up the wall 16' off the floor. The console remained in that position throughout the career of Elsasser at the castle. =   From that position the organ could not be fully heard by the organist. The =   great and great pedal divisions were "down the hall and around the corner" =   from the organists hearing point so they were extremely muffled. John = Hayes Hammond being the tinkerer that he was devised a "Dynamic Accentor" originally so that the organist could hear the real balance of the organ through two (mono) monitor speakers located in the console balcony. He = placed a 1935 radio microphone in each chamber hanging it high in the center of = each one and brought all of this to a monaural sound system that had it's = volume controlled from the main swell pedal. He later placed speakers all around = the castle and even outside overlooking the bay. He would delight in turning these speakers up even louder than the organ itself. At any rate, this = system was simply terrible sounding and owing to the fact that inferior quality = mics were used over archaic amplification equipment at close proximity to very high pressure ranks, it quite often distorted. Hammond himself always insisted that recordings made at the castle used these existing mics! That =   represents the reason for the really bad sound quality on most of the recordings that were done at the castle during the time that Hammond was still alive. Later recordings made at the castle in the 1970's and 1990's were properly recorded using up to date equipment and in stereo. The = results were much more pleasing from a sound standpoint. I own most of those early =   recordings and would agree that they are far to inferior in original sound = to be able to digitally clean up. It's too bad in a way because there are = some really good examples of playing represented there including an original recording of Marcel Dupre made in the 1940's. Dupre was a great friend of = Mr and Mrs Hammond and visited the castle frequently. There even exists in = the archives at the castle an open reel recording (terrible quality of course) = of Marcel Dupre playing "Tea for Two" as a joke and you can hear the voices = and conversation the precedes and follows the actual playing. It was indeed a unique place in it's day. Mark  
(back) Subject: Re: multi-use of church buildings From: "ldpatte@attglobal.net" <ldpatte@attglobal.net> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 06:57:34 -0400   Whew!   All this talk about feeling reverence in a church building, etc. etc. I always thought one of the beauties of the Christian religion was that Jesus could reside in your heart, not in physical structures like buildings!   Dave C. London, Ont.      
(back) Subject: Re: Hearing Protection During Tuning - Cross Posted From: "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 06:41:26 -0400   I thought he spelled it Bunjes...   Paul   >Nelson talks about standing on one foot with curled toes while doing long >tunings.......... I tune an old Koehnken and Grimm tracker that I WISH I >could use a bunjie cord to hang from inside the swell box while tuning. >There is ABSOLUTELY no place to sit or stand in there! Thank God I'm = skinny. > >For 'bench-butt', try a vibrating cushion--and be glad you're not sitting = on >a Howard Seat! > >Rick > > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org     http://www.sover.net/~popel      
(back) Subject: Re: A Serious Question From: "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 06:41:39 -0400   There are a couple of reedless Estey oboes in churches in my neighborhood. They do sound a little like mild oboes, but more like salicionals on steroids. The one in a Masonic temple here does do nice things in "fonds = et hautbois", adding a pleasant reedy tang to the mix. Franck would have approved.   Paul   http://www.sover.net/~popel      
(back) Subject: Re: multi-use of church buildings From: "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 06:41:49 -0400   My complaint isn't really about multiple use, but the effect is similar. Our services are videotaped and shown on the local-access cable channel. I've been unable to convince one of the operators to include my postlude = on the tape- it goes off after the benediction, and the credits roll on a silent black screen...   Paul   http://www.sover.net/~popel      
(back) Subject: Fw: multi-use of church buildings From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 07:44:43 -0500   Alas, it seems the organ takes a back seat- if ANY seat at all- in video taped programs like Paul mentioned below. I've seen tv programs- with mild inclusions of organ sights and sounds- where at optimum opportunities, the instrument was all but passed by- if = not totally ignored.   One telecast of 'Wheel Of Fortune' was taped at Radio City. A musical question was posed to the contestants and the tune was played on the- "Gee dad, it's a WurliTzer". Such a surprise it was to see AND hear the instrument on national tv.   Are we in a profession that nobody cares to see or experience- in Pauls = case below? If so, I'll walk up into the tower and play only on dark stormy nights. BBWWWWAAAAHHHHAAAA!   Rick     ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Opel <popel@sover.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 5:41 AM Subject: Re: multi-use of church buildings     > My complaint isn't really about multiple use, but the effect is similar. > Our services are videotaped and shown on the local-access cable channel. > I've been unable to convince one of the operators to include my postlude on > the tape- it goes off after the benediction, and the credits roll on a > silent black screen... > > Paul > > http://www.sover.net/~popel > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Fw: Hearing Protection During Tuning - Cross Posted From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 07:46:12 -0500   Pardon', ami!   ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Opel <popel@sover.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 5:41 AM Subject: Re: Hearing Protection During Tuning - Cross Posted     > I thought he spelled it Bunjes... > > Paul > > >Nelson talks about standing on one foot with curled toes while doing = long > >tunings.......... I tune an old Koehnken and Grimm tracker that I WISH = I > >could use a bunjie cord to hang from inside the swell box while tuning. > >There is ABSOLUTELY no place to sit or stand in there! Thank God I'm skinny. > > > >For 'bench-butt', try a vibrating cushion--and be glad you're not = sitting on > >a Howard Seat! > > > >Rick > > > > > > > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > http://www.sover.net/~popel > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Fw: A Serious Question From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 07:50:22 -0500   Back in the 40s and 50s, Everett Orgatron had their electric reed organs with banks of amplified reeds. No resonators were used- just individual pick-up mics on each reed. WurliTzer bought out Everett and continued the instrument into the late 50s/maybe early 60s. The tone was akin to an over-grown accordian and somewhat sluggish in response.   Rick     ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson And Tracy Denton <ndenton@cgocable.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 12:33 AM Subject: Re: A Serious Question     > 3rd thought? I wonder what electronic reeds would be like with tiny > electronic transducers in the bottoms of real organ reed pipes. = didn't > Peterson try something like this at some time with a set of brass reed > resonators? > > Sort of like "Conn Pipes" only more real. The "Choralcello" from the turn > of the century used this principal and Later Neil Shaw used it in his Shaw > Organs. Loudspeakers mounted in the bottoms of those "Cardboard Concrete > Forming Tubes" made for concrete pilings > > Nelson Denton > R. A. Denton & Son > Pipe Organ Builders > Hamilton Ontario Canada > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: A Serious Question From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 21:58:06 +0800   One of the local churches had the reed generator Wurlie. This one sounded = quite good. Bob E.   VEAGUE wrote:   > Back in the 40s and 50s, Everett Orgatron had their electric reed organs > with banks of amplified reeds. No resonators were used- just individual > pick-up mics on each reed. WurliTzer bought out Everett and continued = the > instrument into the late 50s/maybe early 60s. > The tone was akin to an over-grown accordian and somewhat sluggish in > response. > > Rick > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Nelson And Tracy Denton <ndenton@cgocable.net> > To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 12:33 AM > Subject: Re: A Serious Question > > > 3rd thought? I wonder what electronic reeds would be like with tiny > > electronic transducers in the bottoms of real organ reed pipes. = didn't > > Peterson try something like this at some time with a set of brass reed > > resonators? > > > > Sort of like "Conn Pipes" only more real. The "Choralcello" from = the > turn > > of the century used this principal and Later Neil Shaw used it in his > Shaw > > Organs. Loudspeakers mounted in the bottoms of those "Cardboard > Concrete > > Forming Tubes" made for concrete pilings > > > > Nelson Denton > > R. A. Denton & Son > > Pipe Organ Builders > > Hamilton Ontario Canada > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   -- ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/      
(back) Subject: Tom Hazleton Plays Rochester Wurlitzer on May 13 (cross-posted). From: "Ken Evans" <kevans1@rochester.rr.com> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 11:11:34 -0400   The Rochester Theater Organ Society welcomes Tom Hazleton who will perform the 1999/2000 concert season finale at 8 p.m. on Saturday, May 13th. Tom Hazleton needs no introduction to theater organ buffs. He is one of the leading concert artists in the world. Tom will perform on the RTOS 4/22 Wurlitzer in the Auditorium Center, 875 East Main Street, Rochester, NY 14605. Tickets are only $10 each (RTOS members admission is free) at the box office which opens one hour before the concert. Tom's biography, driving directions, general RTOS information, the Wurlitzer stoplists and pictures of the installation are on the RTOS home on the web at http://theatreorgans.com/rochestr/ .   The Rochester Lilac Festival ( http://www.roch.com/lilacfestival/ ) starts on May 12 (the day before the concert) and runs through May 21. = This festival is one of the top 100 tour bus destinations in the U.S. so early hotel reservations ( http://home.digitalcity.com/rochester/ ) are = strongly recommended. You may want to plan on attending this festival as a bonus to the opportunity to hear Tom Hazleton at the same time. We hope to see you here for a wonderful evening of musical entertainment and we recommend = that you include the Lilac Festival in your plans as well.   If we can assist. you please feel free to send us an e-mail request.   Regards, Ken Evans, RTOS President    
(back) Subject: CATOE Chicago Theatres tour From: "Jon C. Habermaas" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 10:19:37 -0500   Just in the event someone in the Chicago area might be interested, CATOE still has a few seats to fill on its tour of Chicago Theatres (Chicago, Gateway, Oriental and Palace) on Saturday May 6th. The Chicago and Gateway both have playable organs and a demonstration of each organ is planned. More information is available in the April VoxCatoe newsletter which is on the CATOE website. Transportation and box lunch will be provided. Only those arriving on the CATOE COACH = will be admitted. For additional information you may contact Hal Pritchard at (708) 798-4561   Jon   CATOE ORGAN PAGE located at: http://www.catoe.org    
(back) Subject: Re: multi-use of church buildings From: <Quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 08:41:05 -0700   True, but in Orthodox, RC, Anglican and some Lutheran churches, God also resides in the Tabernacle in the consecrated bread and wine.   "Know ye that the Lord Christ is here in his Most Holy Sacrament Reserved; kneel then and adore him", as the old sign outside all anglo-catholic churches used to say.   Cheers,   Bud   "ldpatte@attglobal.net" wrote:   > Whew! > > All this talk about feeling reverence in a church building, etc. etc. I > always thought one of the beauties of the Christian religion was that > Jesus could reside in your heart, not in physical structures like > buildings! > > Dave C. > London, Ont. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: multi-use of church buildings From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 08:37:21   At 04:07 PM 4/28/2000 +0800, Bob Elms wrote: >To say that churches "don't care about you" is utter rubbish! If that is = your >experience my friend, you chose the wrong church!!<snip>   I resolved the problem long ago by choosing "none of the above".   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Free Reeds / Reedless Reeds From: <Quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 09:03:31 -0700   I think we're confusing a couple of things here ... free (harmonium) reeds = were indeed used in pipe organs for various purposes ... if I remember = correctly, years ago St. Mary-the-Virgin in NYC had a knob for a free-reed 32' = Euphonium (long since disconnected, or never installed in the first place ... it = wasn't playing when I played the organ in the '60s); small "box" unit organs like = the '30s Moller, Wicks, Kilgen, etc. had reed boxes for the 16' (and sometimes = 8') octave of the ranks. German romantic organs occasionally used them for the = Vox Humana rank, etc.   But REEDLESS reeds were more-or-less normal FLUE pipes, voiced to SOUND = like reeds.And THEIR main purpose seemed to be for insertion in small rural = organs that weren't likely to see a tuner very often.   As to Orgatrons and Wurlitzers, Wurlitzer eventually more-or-less solved = the problem by putting the reeds in a soundproof box and having them play all = the time ... that way when the electronic pickup was engaged, you didn't have = to wait around for the reed to start vibrating. I was rather fond of the old Wurlitzers ... the 8' fonds d' orgue sounded rather like a French = harmonium, if you were in a good room (and had a VIVID imagination ... grin).   I have often wondered what would happen if you attached simple = funnel-shaped (or other) resonators to the qualifying tubes of a Vocalion reed organ = ... of course, that would require a mini-slider stop action to be constructed, = since they use ordinary reed organ dampers at the ends of the tubes to shut off = the various ranks of reeds. Vocalions have a nice sound, and the action is = that of a nice, light tracker ... they're just not loud enough, and don't have = enough DIFFERENT sounds.   I still think there is a place for a modernized reed organ today ... = certainly they'd be simpler to build and sturdier than most you-know-whats ... and = how many stops does the average church REALLY need?   I stared at what I do during Mass at St. Matthew's on the Mighty Hammond recently and came to the realization that I actually use/need very FEW combinations:     Swell - Vox celeste Swell - Vox Humana Swell - 8' fonds + oboe Swell - Cornet Swell - plenum   Great - 8 fonds Great - 8 Clarinet Great - 8' fonds + trumpet Great - Grand Jeu Great - plenum   It doesn't take all THAT many stops to achieve those sounds ... I think = the Hammond has about 17.   Cheers,   Bud   VEAGUE wrote:   > Back in the 40s and 50s, Everett Orgatron had their electric reed organs > with banks of amplified reeds. No resonators were used- just individual > pick-up mics on each reed. WurliTzer bought out Everett and continued = the > instrument into the late 50s/maybe early 60s. > The tone was akin to an over-grown accordian and somewhat sluggish in > response. > > Rick > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Nelson And Tracy Denton <ndenton@cgocable.net> > To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 12:33 AM > Subject: Re: A Serious Question > > > 3rd thought? I wonder what electronic reeds would be like with tiny > > electronic transducers in the bottoms of real organ reed pipes. = didn't > > Peterson try something like this at some time with a set of brass reed > > resonators? > > > > Sort of like "Conn Pipes" only more real. The "Choralcello" from = the > turn > > of the century used this principal and Later Neil Shaw used it in his > Shaw > > Organs. Loudspeakers mounted in the bottoms of those "Cardboard > Concrete > > Forming Tubes" made for concrete pilings > > > > Nelson Denton > > R. A. Denton & Son > > Pipe Organ Builders > > Hamilton Ontario Canada > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: why I don't quit From: <Quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 09:11:42 -0700   Bob -- I've been tempted to ... Lord KNOWS I've been tempted to ... and = I've even STOPPED playing in churches for several years at a stretch, either by = choice or because of health problems. BUT ... I always end up going back to it. I = LOVE it .... I love the mundane little things like laying out the music and = posting the hymns on the board and changing my shoes; I love watching the choir in = procession; I love the mighty roar of the hymns at Christmas and Easter; I love = hearing the congregation chant a Psalm REALLY well, and knowing that I taught them to = do that; I love improvising on the Chant during Communion, and at the end of = Evensong; I am genuinely moved when people come up to me with tears in their eyes (as = they did after the most recent Good Friday service) to say how much the music moved = THEM; I love how the choir marches around with their chests all puffed out after = they've pulled off something really spectacular.   I got hooked when I was a child, watching Miss Addie play the Estey; I = guess I'm still hooked.   Cheers,   Bud   Bob Scarborough wrote:   > At 04:07 PM 4/28/2000 +0800, Bob Elms wrote: > >To say that churches "don't care about you" is utter rubbish! If that = is your > >experience my friend, you chose the wrong church!!<snip> > > I resolved the problem long ago by choosing "none of the above". > > DeserTBoB > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: multi-use of church buildings From: "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@home.com> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 11:32:09 -0500   On 4/28/00 8:37 AM, Bob Scarborough wrote:   > At 04:07 PM 4/28/2000 +0800, Bob Elms wrote: >> To say that churches "don't care about you" is utter rubbish! If that = is your >> experience my friend, you chose the wrong church!!<snip> > > I resolved the problem long ago by choosing "none of the above".   Pity,   Russ    
(back) Subject: Estey reedless reeds From: "Weber, Richard" <rweber@aero.net> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 11:41:24 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0019_01BFB106.AE9FEDA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Estey made besides the usual Oboe, a Clarinet ( one of which I have =3D heard and is quite fine) as well as a Saxophone, among others.   Richard Weber   Avocational (published) organ historian. =3D20   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0019_01BFB106.AE9FEDA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2919.6307" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Estey made besides the usual Oboe, a Clarinet ( one = =3D of which I=3D20 have heard and is quite fine) as well as a Saxophone, among =3D others.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Richard Weber</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Avocational (published) organ =3D historian.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=3D20 </FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0019_01BFB106.AE9FEDA0--    
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: multi-use of church buildings From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 09:27:55   At 07:44 AM 4/28/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Alas, it seems the organ takes a back seat- if ANY seat at all- in video >taped programs like Paul mentioned below.<snip>   Not so if Allen's involved. Last year, a small Presbyterian church locally aired their Christmas program via cable, complete with lots of promotion and incessant commercials advertising it. Guess who sponsored it...Allen! Sure enough, the church had just procured a new 3m Renaissance, and Allen chipped in to sponsor their Christmas program, which was obviously a counterattack membership drive aimed at battling the fundies/happy-clappies, who are all over cable, all the time.   The program was as good as could ever be expected from a small desert congregation. The organist-chiormistress there is a friend of mine, and works doubly hard to try to educate the choristers, and provide quality music and performance to the congregation. I might also add that she is comparitively well paid! I attended the pageant, as well as taped it on my VCR. It was quite heartening! Her performance of Langlais' "Nativit=E9" from Po=E8mes =C9vang=E9liques was excellent, and showed some stunningly= real and beautiful flutes and c=E9lestes, obviously of the =C6olian-Skinner tradition= .. The various ensembles of the Allen were equally robust and musical.   The point to be grasped here is that the Allen franchisee helped them get this whole production off the ground and onto cable, providing the church with badly needed exposure with which to battle the fundies, and also provided a quality Christmas pageant for viewers. Trust me, the cable morons weren't allowed ot chop off *any* musical events, whatsoever! Cable TV as an industry is another thorn in my hide, but that's not important right now.   When's the last time you ever heard of a pipe builder assisting a church in such a way? Allen continues to chip away at the smaller organ market, and such programs as that which they sponsored only strengthen their position. Interestingly, the Allen fought a hard battle against pipes all along, elders of the congregation not wanting "second best". Allen won out when it became appartant that a similar-sized pipe instrument couldn't physically be fit into the building properly, and would cost more than twice as much up front. Added to that was the cost of electricity to wind the beast versus consumption of energy of the Allen; calculations showed that in that the Allen will pay for itself in a scant ten years at a projected 12=A2/KWH, plus the lack of expenditures for frequent tuning, always needed in a desert locale.   I was told, however, that the final blow against pipes was when the Allen franchisee paid to take committee members to various Allen installations of various vintages all across Los Angeles County, and they heard for themselves. Having played the new Allen myself, I must say that, dollar for dollar and stop for stop, they did quite well.   DeserTBoB