PipeChat Digest #1370 - Saturday, April 29, 2000
 
Re: why I don't quit
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: (or should that be "Was"?) Fw: A Serious Question
  by "Ray Thursby" <raythursby@earthlink.net>
Martin Baker in Lancaster PA 30 April
  by "Karl E. Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersv.edu>
Re: (or should that be "Was"?) Fw: A Serious Question
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Martin Baker in Lancaster PA 30 April
  by <DudelK@aol.com>
Re: (or should that be "Was"?) Fw: A Serious Question
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Fw: why I don't quit
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Fw: (or should that be "Was"?) Fw: A Serious Question
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: why I don't quit
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: HUGE Schoenstein was Estey reedless reeds
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
Re: Fw: (or should that be "Was"?) Fw: A Serious Question
  by <Quilisma@socal.rr.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: why I don't quit From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 18:36:38   At 09:11 AM 4/28/2000 -0700, you wrote: >Bob -- I've been tempted to ... <snip> >... I love the mundane little things like laying out the music and = posting the >hymns on the board and changing my shoes; I love watching the choir in procession; >I love the mighty roar of the hymns at Christmas and Easter;<snippo al = fine>   True, one can become attached to the rituals of playing in churches, and can enjoy the feeling of isolation from the hustle and bustle of the outside world. Playing the instrument itself, however, and its = literature, are the main attractions for me. Dealing with silly clerics and church people, as well as dealing with whole "God stuff" bizz in general, was = more than I can stand for any length of time, however. Couple that with the fact that, even with education and talent, one can't make a nickel off of the profession, and it becomes less and less attractive. Even getting enough practice time on halfway large instruments is an exercise in politics and does cost money. One has to really love the instrument and its literature to put up with such nonsense, IMHO, even while keeping churches at arm's length.   I was once asked by a violinist friend, "How can you choose an instrument that you can't call your own and pratice with at will? How can you stand having to play games and politics just to get a chance to play??" My answer was, "Well, my instrument does a LOT more than yours EVER will, so one has to make allowances for such greatness! After all, it IS the King of Instruments, and one must pay homage to ones king!"   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: (or should that be "Was"?) Fw: A Serious Question From: "Ray Thursby" <raythursby@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 18:39:35 -0700   Since the thread seems to be getting progressively stranger...does anyone know anything about the "Cube Bass" developed by the Compton Organ Co. in England? Anyone ever heard one? Seems like just the thing to go along with reedless reeds.   Of course a 4M 3R theater organ with no pedals wouldn't need any kind of bass anyway....   Ray Thursby    
(back) Subject: Martin Baker in Lancaster PA 30 April From: "Karl E. Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersv.edu> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 21:53:10 -0400 (EDT)     Martin Baker, formerly of Westminster Abbey and now of Westminster Cathedral, London, will play at Trinity Lutheran Church, 31 S. Duke St., Lancaster PA, at 4 p.m. on Sunday. Tonight's paper reports he'll play music by Bach and Reger--and who know what else--and will improvise. The organ is a 1962 four-manual Moeller with various good improvements at the hand of the present organist, my friend Peter Brown, and done by James McFarland. But it is FAR from what Baker knows in London, so this should be "interesting."   Karl E. Moyer Lancaster PA    
(back) Subject: Re: (or should that be "Was"?) Fw: A Serious Question From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 19:09:56   At 08:26 PM 4/28/2000 -0500, you wrote: >I guess I'll have to add the Orgatron to my list of other large and heavy >musical instruments that I wish to own in the future...like I need another >thing added to *that* list...<big grin><snip>   Fear not, you won't be saddled with one anytime soon! Orgatrons in their days were comparatively scarce, and many found their way into landfills when e-org dealers taking them in on trade couldn't figure them out. Indeed, a ten rank Orgatron would be quite a find today in even restorable condition! With modern audio electronics, channelizing each rank, one can only wonder how good these relics could sound. Another "big/heavy" worth collecting are the original WurliTzers, models 20 and 21. VERY strange looking console, but basically the old Organtron somewhat slimmed down. Later WurliTzer model were of lesser quality, although I had a Model 50 of 1952 that was an interesting (and heavy!) beast. Most early WurliTzers had AGO consoles, the Model 20 and 21 basically being pipe organ consoles to a large degree. Still, in comparison, the original Orgatron fitted with extra and c=E9leste ranks were indeed tonally superior, even with its limite= d 1930's audio gear.   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: Martin Baker in Lancaster PA 30 April From: <DudelK@aol.com> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 22:21:42 EDT   I was among the fortunate ones who heard Martin Baker play the opening program at the AGO Region III Convention in Pittsburgh last summer on a = large Moller at the Episcopal Cathedral. Talk about getting things off with a = bang in grand style! You couldn't have hoped for a more thrilling performer to keynote a convention. Those of us who had a chance to get to know him a = bit during the convention also discovered that he is as charming and gracious = as can be. I would encourage anyone in the area to go hear him. You won't be disappointed!  
(back) Subject: Re: (or should that be "Was"?) Fw: A Serious Question From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 19:14:41   At 06:39 PM 4/28/2000 -0700, you wrote: >Since the thread seems to be getting progressively stranger...does anyone >know anything about the "Cube Bass" developed by the Compton Organ Co. in >England?<snip>   Ah, yes, the Compton Cube! The thing actually worked, and several = examples are extant in England AFAIK. Perhaps some of our English friends can elaborate.   >Of course a 4M 3R theater organ with no pedals wouldn't need any kind of >bass anyway....   No, but I'm sure he could use it for some kind of 16' homophonic solo stop on the manuals!   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Fw: why I don't quit From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 23:09:52 -0500   Hey Bob- Don'tchyawish ya had those old pump organs again? I just restored a = Hamilton with a mirrored gallery that now graces my parlour alongside my 1924 Jesse French player piano.   Rick     ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Elms <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 8:04 PM Subject: Re: why I don't quit     > Bud, my sentiments exactly! I have been at it for 67 years, starting on = an old Crown > reed organ, then a Cornish and an Estey!! I progressed to pipe organ 60 years ago and > it has been an important part of my life every since! > > Cheers, > Bob. > > Quilisma@socal.rr.com wrote: > > > Bob -- I've been tempted to ... Lord KNOWS I've been tempted to ... = and I've even > > STOPPED playing in churches for several years at a stretch, either by choice or > > because of health problems. BUT ... I always end up going back to it. = I LOVE it > > ... I love the mundane little things like laying out the music and posting the > > hymns on the board and changing my shoes; I love watching the choir in procession; > > I love the mighty roar of the hymns at Christmas and Easter; I love hearing the > > congregation chant a Psalm REALLY well, and knowing that I taught them to do that; > > I love improvising on the Chant during Communion, and at the end of Evensong; I am > > genuinely moved when people come up to me with tears in their eyes (as they did > > after the most recent Good Friday service) to say how much the music moved THEM; I > > love how the choir marches around with their chests all puffed out = after they've > > pulled off something really spectacular. > > > > I got hooked when I was a child, watching Miss Addie play the Estey; I guess I'm > > still hooked. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Bud > > > > Bob Scarborough wrote: > > > > > At 04:07 PM 4/28/2000 +0800, Bob Elms wrote: > > > >To say that churches "don't care about you" is utter rubbish! If = that is your > > > >experience my friend, you chose the wrong church!!<snip> > > > > > > I resolved the problem long ago by choosing "none of the above". > > > > > > DeserTBoB > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related = topics > > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------- > Click here for Free Video!! > http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/ > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Fw: (or should that be "Was"?) Fw: A Serious Question From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 23:14:47 -0500   The Cube Bass as I was told was a box with mazes and baffles in it wrapped all around inside itself. Somehow, the low 16' bass notes were derived = from this with individual tuning for each note.   Rick     ----- Original Message ----- From: Ray Thursby <raythursby@earthlink.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 8:39 PM Subject: Re: (or should that be "Was"?) Fw: A Serious Question     > Since the thread seems to be getting progressively stranger...does = anyone > know anything about the "Cube Bass" developed by the Compton Organ Co. = in > England? Anyone ever heard one? Seems like just the thing to go along = with > reedless reeds. > > Of course a 4M 3R theater organ with no pedals wouldn't need any kind of > bass anyway.... > > Ray Thursby > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: why I don't quit From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 00:47:57 EDT   In a message dated 4/28/00 9:41:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, desertbob@rglobal.net writes:   << Playing the instrument itself, however, and its literature, are the main attractions for me. Dealing with silly clerics and = church people, as well as dealing with whole "God stuff" bizz in general, = was more than I can stand for any length of time, however.>> I find, now that I'm retired and have time to actually play the organ and practice what I want to, and play it when I want to is incredibly = rewarding. I no longer have to deal with clergy. Fortunately the clergy in my = parish church are wonderful insofar as I work with them. Now, too, I can = properly deal with the whole "God stuff" in a new and wonderful way. I enjoy practicing unencumbered on 3manuals and 57 ranks of a pipe organ that I = don't have to worry about. I also have access to four other organs in town. =   Amazingly, being unemployed pays very close to a church job!!! ;-)   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: HUGE Schoenstein was Estey reedless reeds From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 00:22:10 -0500   Cremona502@cs.com wrote:   > In addition, if it has slider chests it does not take up as much room! = Good > design can overcome many obstacles.   That is what I had always thought too. It was certainly true of organs built with the skinny scales of the 1960's and 1970's that organs with slider chests took up considerably less room than organs with pitman chests. However, since I have been working for Quimby Pipe Organs I have discovered this is not necessarily the case. We use both electro-pneumatic slider chests and electro-pneumatic pitman chests in our installations depending on the particular usage of the instrument -- slider where the instrument is regularly used and/or rapid stop changes are not important (e.g. average church); pitman where less regularly used and/or rapid stop changes are important (e.g. concert hall). With the generous scales we are currently using, it is the size of the pipes and not the type of chest that determines the amount of space the organ takes up.   John Speller  
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: (or should that be "Was"?) Fw: A Serious Question From: <Quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 23:18:56 -0700   I'm surprised Holtkamp didn't run afoul of Compton's patents, since that's EXACTLY what the Polyphone was, except it was supposed to produce 32' = tones.   Cheers, Bud   VEAGUE wrote:   > The Cube Bass as I was told was a box with mazes and baffles in it = wrapped > all around inside itself. Somehow, the low 16' bass notes were derived = from > this with individual tuning for each note. > > Rick > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ray Thursby <raythursby@earthlink.net> > To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 8:39 PM > Subject: Re: (or should that be "Was"?) Fw: A Serious Question > > > Since the thread seems to be getting progressively stranger...does = anyone > > know anything about the "Cube Bass" developed by the Compton Organ Co. = in > > England? Anyone ever heard one? Seems like just the thing to go along = with > > reedless reeds. > > > > Of course a 4M 3R theater organ with no pedals wouldn't need any kind = of > > bass anyway.... > > > > Ray Thursby > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org