PipeChat Digest #1251 - Thursday, February 3, 2000
 
Re: Reeds and questions and other pipes
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
Re: Memphis Kimball Stoplist (LONG!)
  by "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com>
Re: Memphis Kimball Stoplist (LONG!)
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
re: Memphis Kimball Stoplist
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net>
Minneapolis Convention Center organ
  by <KriderSM@aol.com>
Admin. Note - Please Read
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
Chicago Area Organ Happenings (Cross Posted)
  by "Jon C. Habermaas" <opus1100@ameritech.net>
Re: Reeds and questions and other pipes
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Memphis Kimball
  by "Will Scarboro" <whs1325@garnet.acns.fsu.edu>
Re: Reeds and questions and other pipes
  by <KurtvonS@aol.com>
Re: Memphis Kimball Stoplist
  by "Charles Wertalik" <wertzl@earthlink.net>
 



(back) Subject: Re: Reeds and questions and other pipes From: <RMaryman@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 17:53:15 EST   In a message dated 00-02-02 10:53:24 EST, you write:   << What is the numbering convention on a rank of pipes? Does "1" start with "CCC" (16')? then what would 32' be?   >>>The numbering convention of any rank is that the lowest pitch (CCC for = a 16' pitch, CCCC for a 32' pitch) is number 1. in the case of a 32' reed = 16' C (CCC) would be #13, 8' C (CC) would be #25 etc. Next question: A rank of Tubas recently obtained (might be Wurlitzer) starts at 16' and is marked "TU" with the pitch stamped below it. Also a = 3 digit number is engraved on them "434" At about F# in the 8' section "har" is added under the "TU" which I = assume is harmonic, and that continues all the way up to the 1'   >>>Harmonic pipes are usually double-length resonators so that a four = foot long resonator is tuned to the pitch of 2". the reed tongue itself is not double-sized. usually you will see that harmonic resonators, while twice = as long at the normal pitch-length, the top diameter is often scaled a note = or two smaller than the unison pitched (non-harmonic) resonators which also = aids in the harmonic development (timbre) of the double-length resonators.   I seem to recall that some reeds reeds tune to a harmonic combined with = the resonator length to obtain the pitch, or (and I don't think so) do I have two sets mixed up? Next, although these look like Wurli, they do not have a brass sleeve on their tuning wire. Did Wurlitzer produce any like that ever? Or perhaps = it is not Wurlitzer. >>>almost all the ets I have sen that were made by WurliTzer had the brass =   sleeves, >but< they also bought reed sets from Gottfried and they didn't always have the brass-sleeve'd tuning wires. Lastly, Although we have all the 16' boots (the ones that look like a tin can = with leather around the top rim where the block fits in) half of the 16' resonators are missing. We do however have a nice set of Robert morton Resonators and although it appears that their toes would sit nicely on = top of the above blocks, yet the scale of the RM resonators is considerably larger. I would appreciate any and all thoughts on this.   >>> this just depends on whether you can get the reeds and resonators to = work in harmony, since length, and tubular dimensions and the curve characteristics have to work together. If they do work, you may find that =   the sound from the morton resonators is a bit more fundamental-sounding = than the other resonators. You will NOT be able to inter-mix the two sets of resonators, but will need to use one or the other and maybe make = compromises on the tuning of the reed tongues and the regulating scrolls. hope this helps   Rick Maryman Staunton VA  
(back) Subject: Re: Memphis Kimball Stoplist (LONG!) From: "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com> Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 15:00:57 -0800   > > Just a couple of questions: (1) What does the Clarabella stop sound = like? (I > just can't help but think back to the "Howdy Doody" days - sorry).   A Clarabella is a big, open round sounding clear flute tone ... I have a Claribel Flute on the organ I play. I understand that the Clarabella is = all wood pipes whereas the Claribel Flute has metal trebles ... not positive, though. It's a wonderful solo flute and also adds body in the foundations.   Jason  
(back) Subject: Re: Memphis Kimball Stoplist (LONG!) From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 18:18:37 EST   In a message dated 2/2/00 5:31:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, wertzl@earthlink.net writes:   << Just a couple of questions: (1) What does the Clarabella stop sound = like? (I just can't help but think back to the "Howdy Doody" days - sorry).   Just as any other Clarabella, which is a wooden, open pipe with a scrolled =   tuning piece partially covering the top, it gives a very clear and = somewhat assertive fluty sound, but much more distinct than, say, a Hohlflute which =   tend to be a more "thick" and opaque sound. One of the finest Clarabellas = I ever played was on my Aeolian-Skinner at the First Congregational Church = in Danbury, CT. That stop was in the Echo division and was original 1907 = Hook and Hastings, retained in the 1957 A-S rebuild.       (2) Stop #33 in the North Hall organ, the contra posaune 16': It seems odd =   that a contra ANYTHING should be only a 16' stop; I would expect this to be of = 32' pitch - 'cause I once went to a recital at a local church, and it has a = 32' contra posaune in the pedal. I'm a NUT when it comes to 32' stops - love that thunder. Remember that W.W. Kimball was big on unique and fancy nomenclature. = Tibia Moliss, Tibia Dura, Tuba Profunda, Tuba Sonora, etc etc etc. Probably = just a quirk of the company at the time. But their organs were, without = question, excellent and, in many instances, I would rather play a Kimball over an = E.M. Skinner. I know many organists who also share this sentiment............(here comes the next controversial thread! hee hee)   Scott Foppiano  
(back) Subject: re: Memphis Kimball Stoplist From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net> Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 17:43:44 -0600   Greetings, List!   Thank you, David, for posting the spec of the Memphis Kimball -- and thank you, Charles, for posting it *AGAIN*. (NOTE FOR THE FUTURE: One CAN, in fact, delete large and irrelevant amounts of text from a message that one is responding to with the <reply> button. Amongst several other annoyances, this will save bandwidth on the server.)   Also, Charles, a Clarabella is a wooden open flute, usually of moderate scale. The 16' Contra Fagotto is so named since it speaks one octave = below the (8') unison pitch of the Swell, where it is located. Were it located in a Pedal division, where unison pitch is 16', it would speak at 32' = pitch.   "Contra" <whatever> is simply a designation that the so-named stop speaks one octave below the unison pitch of whatever division it happens to be located in.   TMB      
(back) Subject: Minneapolis Convention Center organ From: <KriderSM@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 19:59:29 EST   By the way, what is the status (if any) of the Minneapolis Convention = Center organ? I played it in the wee hours of the morning about 15 years ago. I still = have photos of those consoles. Stan Krider   KurtvonS@aol.com recently commented: <snip> What...all 8" Diapasons and fat Flutes...!   Just kidding; I've seen it; and while it's not the equal of the = Minneapolis   organ, or St.John, Denver, it's a great spec!   Kurt  
(back) Subject: Admin. Note - Please Read From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 19:01:36 -0600   Folks   Tim Bovard brought up a point in his reply about the Memphis Stoplist that I feel does need addressing.   Please, do Edit your replies to the list especially when replying to something like that stoplist. It is easy enough to highlight the parts that are not needed and delete those. The couple of questions what were asked concerning the stoplist didn't need to have the whole thing attached. Sometimes, you do need to include part of a previous posting in order for your comment and/or question to make sense but in those cases please keep the quoted section to the minimum needed.   I ask for your cooperation mainly as a courtesy to your fellow list members, especially those, about a third of the subscribers, who receive the list in Digest form. It can be very frustrating to receive a digest where a substantial portion is copies of what was in the digest earlier. I know that frustration from personal experience since I do receive a couple of other lists in digest version and have to scroll through many copies of previous postings to get to the "meat" of what is in the digest.   Over the years of this list, Peter and I have never really felt a need to send out monthly "guidelines" or reminders about list matters and I don't think we are about to start now. So please take this as a one-time request / reminder about replying and editing.   Happily I can say that in my humble opinion the members of this list are very courteous to each other and very knowledgeable and act like mature men and women. Yes, once in a while we do have our little squabbles where Peter or I have to step in but those are few and far between. All of you people make this list a joy to administer.   Happy Pipe Chatting!   David **************************************** David Scribner Co-Owner / Technical Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org 850-478-9635 mailto:david@blackiris.com  
(back) Subject: Chicago Area Organ Happenings (Cross Posted) From: "Jon C. Habermaas" <opus1100@ameritech.net> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 19:51:12 -0600   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0026_01BF6DB6.DBD7ED60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   The second weekend of February offers two special and vastly different =3D organ events.   On Friday February 11th at 7:30 FOX VALLEY AGO and Christ Church of =3D Oakbrook presents the French Canadian organist duo Sylvia Poirier =3D and Philip Crozier at the 4/80 Austin. Tickets are $10..children 12 & = =3D under free. Christ Church of Oakbrook is located at 31st and York Rd. = =3D For more information call: 630.654.1882. This is a program that you =3D should not miss. Those who heard their fantastic performance in Montreal = =3D last summer can readily attest to that.   On Sunday February 13th at 1:30 PM The Chicago Area Theatre Organ =3D Enthusiasts ( CATOE) is having a social to say Farewell to DAVE WICKERHAM before he heads westward to take his new position as =3D resident organist at the ROXY Pizza restaurant in Phil Maloof's Fiesta Casino and = =3D Hotel complex in Las Vegas, NV. The ROXY organ features the 5M Kimball console = =3D from the NY ROXY THEATRE, Ordinarily CATOE Socials are limited to =3D members and guests, but to give Dave a good send off they have extended = =3D an open invitation to anyone who is interested in hearing this talented = =3D artist. Program will be on the Howell Melotone-WurliTzer organ at the =3D Cardinal George Mundelein Memorial Auditorium at University of St. Mary = =3D of the Lake. Entrance to the seminary grounds is from Ill. Rte 176 in =3D Mundelein or from US RTE 45 No. of Mundelein.   On Sunday February 27th at 3 PM Medinah Temple presents William C. = =3D Aylesworth in recital on the 1915 5M Austin Organ. A free will =3D offering will be taken. The future of the Medinah Temple and its' organ = =3D is uncertain, so this could be the last opportunity to hear this fine instrument. Medinah Temple is = =3D located at Ohio and Wabash, just a short distance North of downtown Chicago. = .=3D20         ------=3D_NextPart_000_0026_01BF6DB6.DBD7ED60 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD>   <META content=3D3Dtext/html;charset=3D3Diso-8859-1 =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D'"MSHTML 4.72.3616.1301"' name=3D3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D2>The second weekend of February =3D offers two=3D20 special and vastly different organ events.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D2>&nbsp;On Friday February 11th at = =3D 7:30&nbsp; FOX=3D20 VALLEY AGO and Christ Church of Oakbrook&nbsp; presents the =3D French&nbsp;&nbsp;=3D20 Canadian&nbsp; organist duo&nbsp; Sylvia Poirier and Philip Crozier at =3D the 4/80=3D20 Austin.&nbsp;&nbsp; Tickets are $10..children 12 &amp; under free.&nbsp; = =3D Christ=3D20 Church&nbsp; of&nbsp; Oakbrook is located at 31st and York Rd. 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(back) Subject: Re: Reeds and questions and other pipes From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 18:23:34 -0500   Harmonic reeds generally have a hole in the resonator half-way up (or = down- whichever way you look at it)- much like a concert flute in the upper register.   Rick      
(back) Subject: Memphis Kimball From: "Will Scarboro" <whs1325@garnet.acns.fsu.edu> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 22:35:26 -0500     Dear List,   Most everything that I could tell you about the Memphis Kimball has already been said. But, by what I have read about it and what Scott has said it is quite an organ. I will tell you some things about its early history. According to a TAO article on Municipal organs published in 1931 the organ was hardly ever used from the very beginning. Charles Courboin gave the opening recital on it, he along with Maurice Hardy of the Kimball =   firm designed the stoplist. Besides that the only series of recitals was for the June 1929 AGO convention and the June 1930 Tri-State convention. Besides that no regular recitals were given and no municipal organist was ever appointed. So, basically the city bought this 5/150 and then did nothing with it.   A Thank you goes to David Scribner for sending in the stoplist. I am the one who actually typed the stoplist he sent. It is from my book of more than 40 stoplist of municipal organs. I can tell you that it gets real boring while you are typing out all of the couplers. :-) Feel free to contact me if you have any questions.   Sincerely,   Will Scarboro American Municipal Pipe Organ Research Project     Will Scarboro, Organ Historian American Municipal Pipe Organ Research Project 1996 OHS E. Power Biggs Fellow Student - Florida State University School of Music "The only one who never makes mistakes is the one who never does = anything." --- Teddy Roosevelt    
(back) Subject: Re: Reeds and questions and other pipes From: <KurtvonS@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 22:36:52 EST   In a message dated 2/2/00 7:29:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, dutchorgan@svs.net writes:   << Harmonic reeds generally have a hole in the resonator half-way up (or = down- whichever way you look at it)- much like a concert flute in the upper register. >> Excuse me...? Harmonic reeds have double, or triple length resonators, = and never have a hole in the resonator, in my experience. You must be joking, Rick.  
(back) Subject: Re: Memphis Kimball Stoplist From: "Charles Wertalik" <wertzl@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 22:56:55 -0500   Oops! Sorry for taking up so much space on the net; I'm kind of new at = this stuff. And thanx to those good folks who answered my questions. As an = organ enthusiast (but not an organist), my knowledge of basic organ facts is woefully less than I'd like it to be...but hopefully it'll be enhanced through this site. (I can just read informative messages quietly and realize, "Gee, I didn't know that.")   Thanx again, Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Bovard <tmbovard@arkansas.net> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 6:43 PM Subject: re: Memphis Kimball Stoplist     > Greetings, List! > > Thank you, David, for posting the spec of the Memphis Kimball -- and = thank > you, Charles, for posting it *AGAIN*. (NOTE FOR THE FUTURE: One CAN, = in > fact, delete large and irrelevant amounts of text from a message that = one > is responding to with the <reply> button. Amongst several other > annoyances, this will save bandwidth on the server.) > > Also, Charles, a Clarabella is a wooden open flute, usually of moderate > scale. The 16' Contra Fagotto is so named since it speaks one octave below > the (8') unison pitch of the Swell, where it is located. Were it = located > in a Pedal division, where unison pitch is 16', it would speak at 32' pitch. > > "Contra" <whatever> is simply a designation that the so-named stop = speaks > one octave below the unison pitch of whatever division it happens to be > located in. > > TMB > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >