PipeChat Digest #1261 - Tuesday, February 8, 2000
 
Re: Hammond Liturgical Sounds
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
Re: Montreal Tourist Info
  by "Peder" <peder@carg.com>
Hammond (Liturgical?) Sounds
  by <KriderSM@aol.com>
Re: Hammond Liturgical Sounds
  by "Erik Johnson" <the_maitre@hotmail.com>
Hymnology
  by "Charles Wertalik" <wertzl@earthlink.net>
National Shrine Choir Rome Trip
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Re: Hammond (Liturgical?) Sounds
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Hammond Liturgical Sounds
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Hammond Liturgical Sounds
  by "Bud" <Quilisma@socal.rr.com>
more Hammond stuff
  by "Bud" <Quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Young Organists to Perform in Two Recitals
  by "Brandon M. Artman" <brandon.artman@mailcity.com>
Re: Young Organists to Perform in Two Recitals
  by "Peder" <peder@carg.com>
Re: Choral directors vs. Organists (kinda long)
  by "Richard Pinel" <rpinelchat@musicman123.freeserve.co.uk>
Re: Choral directors vs. Organists (kinda long)
  by "Richard Pinel" <rpinelchat@musicman123.freeserve.co.uk>
Re: dedication concert
  by "Richard Pinel" <rpinelchat@musicman123.freeserve.co.uk>
Re: Choral directors vs. Organists (kinda long)
  by "Dr. Peter Pocock" <pocock@mciworld.com>
choir directors vs. organists
  by "Bud" <Quilisma@socal.rr.com>
 



(back) Subject: Re: Hammond Liturgical Sounds From: <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 08:53:14 EST   In a message dated 02/07/2000 7:44:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, the_maitre@hotmail.com writes:   << I would enjoy hearing from other members (including Bud) what drawbar "registrations" you have come up with. Other than the 4man Casavant upstairs in the church - once a month I have to play a mass in the chapel =   which has (eeeek) an X-66 (I think) - the model with the crome columns holding it up! Attached is a huge speaker cabinet which is way to = oversized for the chapel (seats 70). Come on - let me in on some of that Hammond magic now - if I have to play =   this beast once a month - I would at least like to make it sound good! >>   I play a 1981 Hammond 820 at church, and I have the owner's manual. It = lists 12 combinations of tabs and drawbars for liturgical use, and it does help = me. Would you like for me to post this?   Vicki Ceruti  
(back) Subject: Re: Montreal Tourist Info From: "Peder" <peder@carg.com> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 08:57:12 -0600   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_005D_01BF7212.7D3D2440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Rebekah, I too will be visiting Montreal this Summer and will =3D basically be doing the same thing you are; organ sight-seeing! What I've = =3D done so far is contact the Montreal Visitors Bureau as well as Casavant = =3D Freres for information regarding the city churches/cathedrals as well as = =3D installations. Hopefully, they'll respond shortly. Good luck on your search...Peder -----Original Message----- From: Rebekah Ingram <rringram@syr.edu> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Monday, February 07, 2000 5:20 PM Subject: Montreal Tourist Info =3D20 =3D20 I will probably be going to Montreal for my Spring Break this year. = =3D (This is assuming my six day camping trip doesn't work out.) I know a couple of people on = =3D this list know this=3D20 area pretty well. If you're one of them, please drop me a line. I'm = =3D a real limited budget.=3D20 At least it doesn't cost anything to look at the organs! ;) =3D20 -Rebekah   ------=3D_NextPart_000_005D_01BF7212.7D3D2440 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD>   <META content=3D3Dtext/html;charset=3D3Diso-8859-1 =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 = =3D Transitional//EN"> <META content=3D3D'"MSHTML 4.72.3110.7"' name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE>   </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#d8d8d8> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D2>Rebekah,&nbsp;&nbsp; I too will be = =3D visiting=3D20 Montreal this Summer and will basically be doing the same thing you are; = =3D organ=3D20 sight-seeing! What I've done so far is contact the Montreal Visitors =3D Bureau as=3D20 well as Casavant Freres for information regarding the city =3D churches/cathedrals=3D20 as well as installations. Hopefully, they'll respond =3D shortly.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D2></FONT><FONT size=3D3D2>Good luck = on =3D your=3D20 search...Peder</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: = =3D 5px"> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><B>-----Original =3D Message-----</B><BR><B>From:=3D20 </B>Rebekah Ingram &lt;<A=3D20 = href=3D3D"mailto:rringram@syr.edu">rringram@syr.edu</A>&gt;<BR><B>To:=3D20 </B>PipeChat &lt;<A=3D20 =3D href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A>&gt;<BR><B= =3D >Date:=3D20 </B>Monday, February 07, 2000 5:20 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Montreal =3D Tourist=3D20 Info<BR><BR></DIV></FONT> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>I will probably be going to Montreal for my =3D Spring Break=3D20 this year. (This is assuming my</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>six day camping trip doesn't work out.) I know a = =3D couple of=3D20 people on this list know this </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>area pretty</FONT><FONT size=3D3D2> well. If =3D you're one of=3D20 them, please drop me a line. I'm a real limited budget. =3D </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>At least it doesn't cost anything to look at the = =3D organs!=3D20 ;)</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>-Rebekah</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_005D_01BF7212.7D3D2440--    
(back) Subject: Hammond (Liturgical?) Sounds From: <KriderSM@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 10:04:00 EST   How many drawbars on the X-66?   I practiced for several years on the C-3 in my church.   The one setting that always jumps to my mind is: 87 8766 553. It is a theatre organ setting so play it with LOTS of vibrato and high = speed Leslie.   Change that to 87 8766 558 after a verbal reprimand by the choir = director... Hehehe!   Stan Krider ....bringing you useful English System conversion/units: 2000 pounds of Chinese soup - Won ton     Erik Johnson asked us:   <snip> Come on - let me in on some of that Hammond magic now - if I have to play   this beast once a month - I would at least like to make it sound good!    
(back) Subject: Re: Hammond Liturgical Sounds From: "Erik Johnson" <the_maitre@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 10:18:50 EST         >I play a 1981 Hammond 820 at church, and I have the owner's manual. It >lists >12 combinations of tabs and drawbars for liturgical use, and it does help =   >me. > Would you like for me to post this? > >Vicki Ceruti >   Sure Vicki! Let's have at it! The owners manual and "stop/registration" list are long gone for this one! It was a donation from an elderly lady whose husband used to play the thing at some venue (don't know where). But =   yes - all registration combinations would be helpful. Thanks for your = help.   And thanks to all the others who have posted personal combinations as well = - can't wait to try the Quintadena and Orpicleide! ;-) Off to the chapel I go!   All the Best,   The Maitre   ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com    
(back) Subject: Hymnology From: "Charles Wertalik" <wertzl@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 20:02:44 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0067_01BF71A6.4C4EB680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Bud wrote about fitting the music to the congregation's musical range, =3D further modified by what time of the morning he's dealing with. Bless =3D him! As a confirmed 'bastard baritone' (a term my French professor in =3D college used, to my amusement), my usual vocal range isn't very broad, =3D except on rare occasions, and Bud's thoughtfulness is highly to be =3D praised - and devoutly to be wished for in more churches!   Chuck   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0067_01BF71A6.4C4EB680 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Bud wrote about fitting the music to = =3D the=3D20 congregation's musical range, further modified by what time of the =3D morning he's=3D20 dealing with.&nbsp;Bless him! As a confirmed 'bastard baritone' (a term = =3D my=3D20 French professor in college used, to my amusement), my usual vocal range = =3D isn't=3D20 very broad, except on rare occasions, and Bud's thoughtfulness is highly = =3D to be=3D20 praised - and devoutly to be wished for in more churches!</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Chuck</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0067_01BF71A6.4C4EB680--    
(back) Subject: National Shrine Choir Rome Trip From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 12:50:38 EST   This email is being sent to my friends and colleagues in the professional church music circles in an effort to include any who may wish to = participate in this wonderful musical excursion. -SFF   Dear Liturgical Musician, 7 February 2000   I write you today to invite you to join us on a unique and exciting musical pilgrimage to The Vatican and St. Peter's Basilica in Rome, Italy. = The Parish Choir of the National Shrine of the Little Flower has been = invited to sing the Latin Mass at the High Altar on Sunday, January 28, 2001. = Later that same day the choir will be presented in a solo concert of choral repertoire at the Church of St. Ignatius in Rome. During the pilgrimage a =   special mass in Assisi at the parish church where St. Francis lived will = be said and sung and, on Wednesday, January 31 the choir will sing a private special audience for His Holiness, the Pope.   The cost of the trip is $2595.00 per person and includes all of the = following: -round-Round-trip air fare (from Detroit, MI) -lodging at first class hotels -U.S. departure and arrival taxes and Italian departure taxes -meeting and assistance upon departure from Detroit -two meals per day (breakfast and dinner) -farewell dinner with wine at La Vigna dei Papi Osteria in Rome (or at Sibilla in Tivoli) -tour Manager (guide) from arrival in Italy through departure -entrance fees at all sights (Vatican Museums, museums in Florence, etc.) -arrival and departure transfers in luxury motorcoach (including meeting and assistance) -porterage of one piece of luggage (per person) at airports and hotels -hospitality desk at hotel in Rome -donations to churches used in programs -portfolio of travel documents for each participant, including a flight = bag   In addition to Rome, the tour will include Florence, Milan and a tour of LaScala Opera House, and Lake Maggiore. The lodging consists of the Hotel =   Bristol in Lake Maggiore, Hotel Mediterraneo in Florence and Hotel Michelangelo in Rome.   As this looks to be a once in a lifetime experience, we wish to = cordially invite you, your family, friends and fellow choir members to participate = with us on this wonderful pilgrimage. Anyone who is interested is encouraged = to join us for this trip whether you be a singer or pilgrim. We sincerely = hope you will consider coming with us next year. Please contact me at your earliest convenience for further information or to add your name to our = "Rome Roster." Thank you- we do hope to hear from you very soon!   Scott F. Foppiano, Director of Music and Liturgical Coordination National Shrine of the Little Flower, Royal Oak, MI (248) 541-4122, ext. 40 scottfop@aol.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Hammond (Liturgical?) Sounds From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 09:57:37   At 10:04 AM 2/8/2000 EST, you wrote: >How many drawbars on the X-66?<snip>   The X-66/X-77/H-100 introduced 2 new drawbars. I know the H-100s had the two new ones on the swell, but only the "I" drawbar on the great..."upper" and "lower" respectively for you Hammond fans. I can't remember if the X-66 had both of them on both manuals or not. Also, the X-66 had the "traditional" sine wave drawbars renamed "tibia" drawbars, and other drawbars controlled "bright wave" signals, with natural harmonics.   >The one setting that always jumps to my mind is: 87 8766 553. >It is a theatre organ setting so play it with LOTS of vibrato and high = speed >Leslie.   That definately is a theater setting, due to the proponderance of 16' = tone. Such would never be acceptable in normal organ registration, unless you like playing 8va a lot! There's a caveat in doing so, also, which is that when you play 8va and use the 16' series as the unison, you're missing = even more harmonics than you are in the 8' series, notably the tierce. On the newer Hammonds, this is a problem because the "dissonant" harmonics, 7th and 9th, won't come into play for the 16' series. Thus, you lose the ability to "color" tones with these new drawbars to make more convincing string and reed immitations, and wind up with a typically more "Hammondy" sound..   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: Hammond Liturgical Sounds From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 09:58:42   At 10:18 AM 2/8/2000 EST, you wrote: > >can't wait to try the Quintadena and Orpicleide! ;-)   Hehehehe! Oooops! Forgot to tell him to bring ear protection!   dB  
(back) Subject: Re: Hammond Liturgical Sounds From: "Bud" <Quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 10:11:20 -0800   SURE!   Bud   Myosotis51@aol.com wrote:   > In a message dated 02/07/2000 7:44:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, > the_maitre@hotmail.com writes: > > << I would enjoy hearing from other members (including Bud) what drawbar > "registrations" you have come up with. Other than the 4man Casavant > upstairs in the church - once a month I have to play a mass in the = chapel > which has (eeeek) an X-66 (I think) - the model with the crome columns > holding it up! Attached is a huge speaker cabinet which is way to = oversized > for the chapel (seats 70). > Come on - let me in on some of that Hammond magic now - if I have to = play > this beast once a month - I would at least like to make it sound good! = >> > > I play a 1981 Hammond 820 at church, and I have the owner's manual. It = lists > 12 combinations of tabs and drawbars for liturgical use, and it does = help me. > Would you like for me to post this? > > Vicki Ceruti > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: more Hammond stuff From: "Bud" <Quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 10:20:48 -0800   The thing I REALLY miss on this new Hammond beast is that when you put on the Leslies, it CANCELS the Hammond console Vibrato, so you can't get that two-cats-fighting-in-a-gunny-sack effect that you could on the old Hammonds with the Hammond Vibrato AND the Leslie spin-dizzies BOTH on "frenzy", an INDISPENSABLE effect for "In the Garden" or "Water Fellowship, Water Joy Divine" (Leaning on the Everlasting Arms).   Cheers,   Bud (who knows more about Hammonds than he's heretofore admitted)    
(back) Subject: Young Organists to Perform in Two Recitals From: "Brandon M. Artman" <brandon.artman@mailcity.com> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 13:25:06 -0500     Young Organists to Perform in Two Recitals     The Association of Young Organists will be presenting two concerts on = Saturday, April 1st, 2000. The Morning Concert, "The AGO Meets the AYO," = will be a Lancaster County, PA Chapter AGO-Sponsored Event held at The = Lutheran Church of the Holy Trinity, 31 South Duke St., Lancaster, = Pennsylvania at 10:00 am. The second concert will be a benefit concert = for the Saint Mary of Providence Retreat Center in Elverson, Pennsylvania, = located just outside Morgantown, PA. The concert will be held in the = Retreat Center Chapel at 7:30pm. Members of the Association will be = performing a varied program. The morning concert is free. For ticket = information for the Evening Recital please contact The Association of = Young Organists at (610) 584-0909. For Directions please visit the AYO = web-site at <www.gulfcst.com/organgeeks>   The Association of Young Organists was founded in 1995 in order to promote = the organ and its music to young people around the world. We continue to = grow as a group of supporters for all organists. The organization = welcomes anyone who wishes to join. For Membership Information, please = contact the Membership Administrator at (610) 584-0909, or visit the AYO = web-site at <www.gulfcst.com/organgeeks>                   MailCity. Secure Email Anywhere, Anytime! http://www.mailcity.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Young Organists to Perform in Two Recitals From: "Peder" <peder@carg.com> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 13:30:28 -0600   Brandon, Thank you for posting the information regarding the AYO and upcoming events. I too am a young organist and have wanted to "get involved." Thanks again...Peder Flaten -----Original Message----- From: Brandon M. Artman <brandon.artman@mailcity.com> To: LISTSERV@listserv.albany.edu <LISTSERV@listserv.albany.edu>; pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 12:26 PM Subject: Young Organists to Perform in Two Recitals     > >Young Organists to Perform in Two Recitals > > >The Association of Young Organists will be presenting two concerts on Saturday, April 1st, 2000. The Morning Concert, "The AGO Meets the AYO," will be a Lancaster County, PA Chapter AGO-Sponsored Event held at The Lutheran Church of the Holy Trinity, 31 South Duke St., Lancaster, Pennsylvania at 10:00 am. The second concert will be a benefit concert = for the Saint Mary of Providence Retreat Center in Elverson, Pennsylvania, located just outside Morgantown, PA. The concert will be held in the Retreat Center Chapel at 7:30pm. Members of the Association will be performing a varied program. The morning concert is free. For ticket information for the Evening Recital please contact The Association of = Young Organists at (610) 584-0909. For Directions please visit the AYO web-site at <www.gulfcst.com/organgeeks> > >The Association of Young Organists was founded in 1995 in order to = promote the organ and its music to young people around the world. We continue to grow as a group of supporters for all organists. The organization = welcomes anyone who wishes to join. For Membership Information, please contact the Membership Administrator at (610) 584-0909, or visit the AYO web-site at <www.gulfcst.com/organgeeks> > > > > > > > > > >MailCity. Secure Email Anywhere, Anytime! >http://www.mailcity.com > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: Choral directors vs. Organists (kinda long) From: "Richard Pinel" <rpinelchat@musicman123.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 19:27:47 -0000   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0075_01BF71A1.69F069E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <When working in a choral situation as Director, whether it be church or = =3D Master Chorale environment, I am very conscious of the abilities and =3D needs of my accompanist. This person can make or break you. A mature, =3D well-rounded, confident conductor will cherish and nurture their =3D accompanist, if they are good, and challenge them to fulfill their =3D potential, helping them to grow in gentle ways if they need to be =3D brought along to a higher level. I can honestly say in all my years of = =3D conducting I have never ever publicly reduced my accompanist in the eyes = =3D of my choir (I have had serious private discussions when appropriate and = =3D once terminated one). I have,however, made a joke about something in a = =3D caring way, giving the accompanist another chance to make it right.>   You sound like an accompanist's dream!!!   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0075_01BF71A1.69F069E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD>   <META content=3D3Dtext/html;charset=3D3Diso-8859-1 =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D'"MSHTML 4.72.3110.7"' name=3D3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV>&lt;When working in a choral situation as Director, whether it be =3D church or=3D20 Master Chorale environment, I am very conscious of the abilities and =3D needs of my=3D20 accompanist.&nbsp; This person can make or break you. A mature, =3D well-rounded,=3D20 confident conductor will cherish and nurture their accompanist, if they = =3D are=3D20 good, and challenge them to fulfill their potential, helping them to =3D grow in=3D20 gentle ways if they need to be brought along to a higher level.&nbsp; I = =3D can=3D20 honestly say in all my years of conducting I have never ever publicly =3D reduced my=3D20 accompanist in the eyes of my choir (I have had serious private =3D discussions when=3D20 appropriate and once terminated one).&nbsp; I have,however, made a joke = =3D about=3D20 something in a caring way, giving the accompanist another chance to make = =3D it=3D20 right.&gt;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>You sound like an accompanist's dream!!!</DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0075_01BF71A1.69F069E0--    
(back) Subject: Re: Choral directors vs. Organists (kinda long) From: "Richard Pinel" <rpinelchat@musicman123.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 19:24:43 -0000   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0059_01BF71A0.FCA15200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Is this typical? Is it that stereotypical choral/vocal thing? (I =3D know about -that- reputation.) When I accompany the choir, I used to get the director (also my teacher) = =3D to register it for me. This usually ended up being changed by the =3D assistant organist because he knows the organ and building better than =3D the director (he has only been here 1.5 years, compared with about 10). = =3D Now I do it myself, and he never complains. Maybe it is only =3D non-organist directors that are hard to work under?   Richard   P.S. I do know that if he wanted something else, he would say so =3D (albeint politely) , but he would also be right as he is much more =3D qualified than me!!!   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0059_01BF71A0.FCA15200 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD>   <META content=3D3Dtext/html;charset=3D3Diso-8859-1 =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 =3D HTML//EN"><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <META content=3D3D'"MSHTML 4.72.3110.7"' name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE>   </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#d8d8d8> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: = =3D 5px"> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Is this typical? Is it that stereotypical =3D choral/vocal=3D20 thing? (I know about -that- reputation.)</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D2>When I accompany the choir, I used = =3D to get the=3D20 director (also my teacher) to register it for me. This usually ended up = =3D being=3D20 changed by the assistant organist because he knows the organ and =3D building better=3D20 than the director (he has only been here 1.5 years, compared with about = =3D 10). Now=3D20 I do it myself, and he never complains. Maybe it is only non-organist =3D directors=3D20 that are hard to work under?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Richard</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>P.S. I do know that if he wanted something else, he = =3D would say=3D20 so (albeint politely) , but he would also be right as he is much more =3D qualified=3D20 than me!!!</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0059_01BF71A0.FCA15200--    
(back) Subject: Re: dedication concert From: "Richard Pinel" <rpinelchat@musicman123.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 19:51:28 -0000   >Hi list- >This Sunday, February 6, at 3:30 PM I will be performing a dedication concert >at Bethel Presbyterian Church, in Cornelius, North Carolina. (just north = of >Charlotte, NC) I will be joined by the church's handbell choir, the = Bethel >Chancel Choir, and a brass quartet. >This program is to dedicate the new 3 manual Ahlborn-Galanti organ with 4 >ranks of pipes.     Spec Please!!!    
(back) Subject: Re: Choral directors vs. Organists (kinda long) From: "Dr. Peter Pocock" <pocock@mciworld.com> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 12:16:32 -0800   At 11:27 AM 02/07/2000 , Richard Pinel wrote:   You sound like an accompanist's dream!!!   Hmmm! Now that is a nice way to think of it. A Director should be an accompanists dream, and vice versa!   Pete!    
(back) Subject: choir directors vs. organists From: "Bud" <Quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 12:31:51 -0800   Even on the university level, I've only come across two non-organist choral directors who knew intimately the problems of accompanying on the organ, particularly orchestral reductions ... Herman Gunter at Florida State, and Robert Fountain at Oberlin.   Mr. Gunter didn't have much of a problem, though ... the head of the organ dept. at the time, Dr. Ramona Cruikshank Beard (a FORMIDABLE post-Victorian lady who stood about 6 feet tall in her organ shoes), PLAYED her accompaniments from the full orchestral scores AT SIGHT, mostly, including Bach cantatas at First Presbyterian Church, where they both also worked.   At Oberlin, Mr. Fountain knew every cough in what he affectionately referred to as the "20-Mule-Team Skinner" in Finney Chapel. He could do an hysterical imitation of a particularly sick 16' Bourdon pipe in search of the fundamental ... and he had it down PERFECTLY. He knew EXACTLY what colors to ask for; it was up to the organist to get them. But he also understood when a particular sound simply wasn't THERE.   At the small to medium-sized church level, 90% of all "choir directors" are unmitigated nuisances ... they're either unpaid volunteers propped up in front of the choir to save the church money, or overpaid high school band directors who haven't a CLUE. Yes, I know, there are some professional band directors out there ... more power to 'em. I'm talking about the small-town variety. Choir directors who know CHURCH music and LITURGY are as scarce as asparagus in January, to borrow a quote from Rachmaninoff.   In the "old days", the Anglican tradition didn't PERMIT arm-waving in the chancel. At MOST, the organist/choirmaster could slide off the bench and, shielded by the inevitable bomber-cockpit Skinner console, discreetly conduct an a cappella motet OUT OF SIGHT OF THE CONGREGATION. And that was IT.   We're in the back at St. Matthew's, so I'm free to engage in whatever shenanigans I feel like ... clenched fists, throwing psalters, etc. ... but that tradition is SO ingrained that I very seldom do ANYTHING other than give attacks, entrances and cut-offs, and those mostly with my head. We do it all in the REHEARSALS beforehand.   I think one of the Brits on the list recently mentioned that untrained volunteer "choir directors" are proliferating like locusts across the pond ... that's really too bad. I guess the days of the "talented amateur" organist/choirmaster are coming to an end, even in Great Britain.   Cheers,   Bud