PipeChat Digest #1263 - Thursday, February 10, 2000
 
RE: Hammond Liturgical Sounds
  by "Bert Atwood" <atwoody@ispchannel.com>
Gigasampler - pipe organ emulations
  by "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@earthlink.net>
RE: Hammond Liturgical Sounds
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Gigasampler - pipe organ emulations
  by "Hans-Dieter Karras" <hans@hdkarras.de>
"O Nata Lux de Lumine" - Talls (X-posted)
  by "Bud" <Quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: "O Nata Lux de Lumine" - Talls (X-posted)
  by "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net>
Re: "O Nata Lux de Lumine" - Talls (X-posted)
  by "Evelyn Rowe" <efrowe@mindspring.com>
Easter Anthems, cont. (X-posted)
  by "Bud" <Quilisma@socal.rr.com>
 



(back) Subject: RE: Hammond Liturgical Sounds From: "Bert Atwood" <atwoody@ispchannel.com> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 07:44:58 -0800       > -----Original Message----- > From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of > Bob Scarborough > Sent: Monday, February 07, 2000 9:49 AM > To: PipeChat > Subject: Re: Hammond Liturgical Sounds   You wrote:   > >I would enjoy hearing from other members (including Bud) what drawbar > >"registrations" you have come up with.   You might try finding a copy of "Dictionary of Hammond Organ Stops" by Stevens Irwin. I have the Third Edition dated 1961 which does not include the extra two drawbars on the X-66. I don't know if there's a later Edition. Nonetheless, the Third Edition is a great resource. It has = about 35 pages of theory (what drawbar combinations produce Foundation stops, Woodwinds, etc.) and some 80 pages of specific stops - everything from flutes to an Egyptian Bazu! Many variations are noted. For example, = there are 30 Orchestral Clarinets - each very similar, but distinctive.    
(back) Subject: Gigasampler - pipe organ emulations From: "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 09:45:04 -0800   Dear List,   I received the Gigasampler software-based sampler by Nemesys Music as a = gift from my wife for Christmas. (yaaay!) I have just received a disc of organ sound = samples, and have began putting the software through its paces.   Frankly, I'm impressed. The sounds are pretty good - they are a = pre-release beta of sounds sampled from several different European organs. The = engineer did a pretty good job on most of them, but it's obvious he is not = primarily an organist, as there needs to be more variety in registrations, and attention to the release of sounds as well as the attack and sustain.   The software works pretty well too - the only glitches come from the fact that it is designed with at least a Pentium II 3oo mhz, ultra SCSI HD and 128 mb RAM in mind. My poor Cyrix 233 is panting to keep up!   With a couple of MIDI keyboard controllers and a MIDI pedalboard one could have a decent practice tool, add some quality sounds to an existing organ (providing you don't mind tying up a hotrod PC to do so), or even do some quality recording/composing projects. I will be making some test recordings, and would be glad to share RealAudio or mp3 files with anyone interested.   All the best,   Jonathan Orwig FBC Riverside, CA - USA http://home.earthlink.net/~giwro/index.htm (personal) http://evensong.homepage.com/ (Music Publishing)    
(back) Subject: RE: Hammond Liturgical Sounds From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 10:53:42   At 07:44 AM 2/9/2000 -0800, you wrote: >I have the Third Edition dated 1961 which does not include >the extra two drawbars on the X-66. I don't know if there's a later >Edition.<snip>   The 1970 fourth edition contains an appendix regarding the X-66/X-77/H-100 tonal system, with suggestions on use on various types of tone, and an abridged "dictionary". The rest of the book is the same, however, as the 1961 edition. I believe the fourth edition was the final edition.   Two things about Irwin that I never agreed with totally: 1.), he always used too much fundamental in most chorus reeds, and 2.), his suggestions = on "combining" stops are definately incorrect. Porter Heaps had it right on the money, and I use his system, albeit modified. When "combining" = various stop registrations, one takes the largest value in each harmonic position for the entire group, as such:   Principal 8': 00 7765 010 10 Octave 4': 00 0707 054 01   Combined: 00 7767 054 11   Now, let's say we're going to add a big open flute to this mix at 4':   Open Flute 4': 00 0702 011 01   Combined: 00 7877 054 11   Note that in second harmonic position an 8 was used, and in the third, a = 7. A good rule of thumb is that if combining more than two stops which have harmonics of equal intensity, an extra "click" is added. This = approximates the extra "weight" that these particular harmonics would have when combining more than two ranks of pipes at which displayed the same = harmonic intensities. This combination would reflect the extra weight of the 4' fundamental that would be heard by adding such a big flute to the two principals.   Of course, this is all illusionary programming, at best, since the = Hammond, by itself, doesn't provide the "space" and ensemble that a pipe organ, or even better electronics, provide. Still, using multiple speaker systems = of various types, injecting signal processing such as chorus effects and "derived" stereo, one can get pretty close, if one has those resources. "Pretty close", of course, pales in comparison to modern digital organs, but...we're talking Hammonds here!   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: Gigasampler - pipe organ emulations From: "Hans-Dieter Karras" <hans@hdkarras.de> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 21:28:10 +0100   Dear List,   i can tell the same about GIGASAMPLER. It's amazing and pretty good, especially a CD with a french barock and two Cavaill=E9-Coll organs and = the Peter Ewers sample CD from the Madeleine church in Paris, where i have recorded 7 CDs with the complete organ works of Th=E9odore Dubois (http://www.prospect-he.de). I do a test article in an austrian magazine ("OKEY!") about this.   In addition i can tell you, that a small company in former east germany build a MIDI Console from 1 to 3 Manuals and Pedal with a special system = to control the MIDI Information including Swell (you can put it on each or = one defined Manual), with all couplers and a Sequencer. The selling price is low, starting around 3000 $ + shipping and you have a full usable Console. For the future we design a Cavaill=E9-Coll Console with and without = sounds. I discuss often with this people new projects and design stoplists and help = in the sounding process with my experience. Please have a try and ask for conditions and models:   Hoffrichter Kirchenorgeln Bergstrasse 13 D-29410 Salzwedel Germany Phone: 001-49-3901-423886 Faximile: 001-3901-33922   Cheers, Hans   ________________________________   Hans-Dieter Karras Alter Zeughof 2 - D-38100 Braunschweig Phone: +49-531-17280 / 17290 Fax: +49-531-16906 Email: hans@hdkarras.de URL: http://www.hdkarras.de ________________________________   ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Orwig <giwro@earthlink.net> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 6:45 PM Subject: Gigasampler - pipe organ emulations     > Dear List, > > I received the Gigasampler software-based sampler by Nemesys Music as a gift > from my wife > for Christmas. (yaaay!) I have just received a disc of organ sound samples, > and have began putting the software through its paces. > > Frankly, I'm impressed. The sounds are pretty good - they are a pre-release > beta of sounds sampled from several different European organs. The engineer > did a pretty good job on most of them, but it's obvious he is not primarily > an organist, as there needs to be more variety in registrations, and > attention to the release of sounds as well as the attack and sustain. > > The software works pretty well too - the only glitches come from the = fact > that it is designed with at least a Pentium II 3oo mhz, ultra SCSI HD = and > 128 mb RAM in mind. My poor Cyrix 233 is panting to keep up! > > With a couple of MIDI keyboard controllers and a MIDI pedalboard one = could > have a decent practice tool, add some quality sounds to an existing = organ > (providing you don't mind tying up a hotrod PC to do so), or even do = some > quality recording/composing projects. I will be making some test > recordings, and would be glad to share RealAudio or mp3 files with = anyone > interested. > > All the best, > > Jonathan Orwig > FBC Riverside, CA - USA > http://home.earthlink.net/~giwro/index.htm (personal) > http://evensong.homepage.com/ (Music Publishing) > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: "O Nata Lux de Lumine" - Talls (X-posted) From: "Bud" <Quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 16:16:13 -0800   Anybody know where the proper Gregorian TUNE to this is? The English Hymnal has the WORDS, but not the proper TUNE as set by Tallis ... it's from monastic Mattins of the Transfiguration, which means it isn't in any of the usual books.   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: "O Nata Lux de Lumine" - Talls (X-posted) From: "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 23:25:44 -0500   <<<Anybody know where the proper Gregorian TUNE to this is? >>>>   You mean there are IMPROPER Gregorian tunes? Hmmmm. Know any good ones?   Grins, Diane S. straight@infoblvd.net    
(back) Subject: Re: "O Nata Lux de Lumine" - Talls (X-posted) From: "Evelyn Rowe" <efrowe@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 23:40:36 -0500   At 04:16 PM 2/9/2000 -0800, Bud wrote: >Anybody know where the proper Gregorian TUNE to this is? The English >Hymnal has the WORDS, but not the proper TUNE as set by Tallis ... it's >from monastic Mattins of the Transfiguration, which means it isn't in >any of the usual books.   It's in one of the Flor Peeters preludes on Gregorian themes books -- I've played it, although I doubt very seriously the assembly at St. Stephen Martyr had the slightest idea what I was doing. I'll forward a copy with the other stuff you requested.   Evie   mailto:efrowe@mindspring.com  
(back) Subject: Easter Anthems, cont. (X-posted) From: "Bud" <Quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 23:48:30 -0800   I had the choir read thru the Parker "Light's Glittering Morn Bedecks the Sky" and the MacFarlane "Christ Our Passover" tonight ... the Parker is by far the better piece of MUSIC, though the MacFarlane would be quite exciting IF you had brass, timpani and harp; but since we don't, I think I've convinced the choir they can learn the Parker ... we WILL have an extra quartet of singers for the High Mass on Easter, and that's just about how many more we need to pull it off. God forgive me for playing the Parker on the Hammond, but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do ... (evil grin).   BTW, has anybody ever heard of and/or have a copy of a "Christ Our Passover" by STEINER (or a similar name)? My mezzo pines to sing it (she sang it 50 years ago at another church), and I haven't been able to find it.   Cheers,   Bud