PipeChat Digest #1266 - Sunday, February 13, 2000
 
Frederick Swann dedicates new Casavant (X-Posted)
  by "Will Scarboro" <whs1325@garnet.acns.fsu.edu>
Re: Frederick Swann dedicates new Casavant (X-Posted)
  by "Hugh Drogemuller" <lon.hdrogemuller@wwdc.com>
Re: Moller Artistes
  by <Steskinner@aol.com>
Re: Moller Artistes
  by "Bud" <Quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Upcoming Workshop
  by "Jason D. Comet" <bombarde8@juno.com>
Re: Frederick Swann dedicates new Casavant (X-Posted)
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: Frederick Swann dedicates new Casavant (X-Posted)
  by "Charles Wertalik" <wertzl@earthlink.net>
Re: Moller Artistes
  by "Pat MacKenzie" <patmackenzie@powersurfr.com>
Cavaille-Casavant (grin)
  by "Bud" <Quilisma@socal.rr.com>
organs used, large and small
  by "Bud" <Quilisma@socal.rr.com>
 



(back) Subject: Frederick Swann dedicates new Casavant (X-Posted) From: "Will Scarboro" <whs1325@garnet.acns.fsu.edu> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 08:12:19 -0500     Last night Frederick Swann played the dedication concert on the new 3/60 Casavant at Trinity United Methodist Church in Tallahassee, FL. The church =   was packed with people who had come as far as Jacksonville, and Miami for the concert. Also in attendance were members of the Pensacola AGO chapter including list members David Scribner and Glenda Sutton. They are here for =   an organ crawl of Tallahassee organs that we are doing today.   Fred Swann began the program with Norman Cocker's Tuba Tune which showcased the organ's Tuba Mirabilis on 15" wind. This was followed by Franck's Chorale in b minor which he played from memory. We heard even = more sounds including the Voix Humaine of the Recit. After the Franck he played =   a Psalm Prelude by John Huston on "By the Waters of Babylon". The first half was concluded with Bach's Passacaglia & Fugue which was masterfully played.   The second half opened with two French classic works: The Dialogue by de Grigny, and Recit de tierce en taille by Couperin. We heard the Grand Orgue's mounted cornet, Trompettes, and Cromorn. Next was a short improvisation on a hymn tune. The tune turned out to be Amazing Grace; after beginning with the sound of bagpipes (Vox without trem) he switched to a classic Fox registration of Strings, Flute Celeste, and flutes with tremulants. It was short but very nice. The final piece was Healey = Willan's Introduction, Passacaglia, and Fugue. This powerhouse piece was played = from memory and he did a very good job with it.   He played one encore piece, a short French harpsichord piece which even used the Clochettes. It was comical and funny. Then as a grand finale he asked us to sing a hymn with the organ. We sang Praise ye the Lord, the Almighty, which he masterfully accompanied. He really knows how to play hymns well!   I really enjoyed the concert a lot. He used every single stop at least once during the concert. BRAVO Frederick Swann!   Sincerely,   Will Scarboro   Will Scarboro, Organ Historian American Municipal Pipe Organ Research Project 1996 OHS E. Power Biggs Fellow Student - Florida State University School of Music "The only one who never makes mistakes is the one who never does = anything." --- Teddy Roosevelt    
(back) Subject: Re: Frederick Swann dedicates new Casavant (X-Posted) From: "Hugh Drogemuller" <lon.hdrogemuller@wwdc.com> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 14:25:17 -0500   Will wrote: >(SNIP) > Last night Frederick Swann played the dedication concert on the new 3/60 =   >Casavant at Trinity United Methodist Church in Tallahassee, FL.   Is it possible to provide the stop list either by typing it in or scanning it to those interested?   HD    
(back) Subject: Re: Moller Artistes From: <Steskinner@aol.com> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 18:09:16 EST   In a message dated 1/2/2000 3:31:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, Quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:   << Wanna sell it? (grin) Bud St. Matthew's-in-the-Mall Newport Beach CA USA Steskinner@aol.com wrote: > Dear List: > > I have what has been described as a "church" Artiste from 1929. No cabinet, > Gedeckt 16-2, Diapason (8') 16-4, Salicional 8-4, Chimes (20), plus = swell > shades. The string is too stringy, and the flute and diapason are too woofy. > I love it. It had 2 blanks on the quarter-sawn oak pneumatic console = (no > leaks and all original) and I have added a Celeste and trompette. Alas, = it is > now stored in my garage for lack of room. It was originally installed = in the > First Baptist Church of Los Altos, CA. I was able to get a copy of the > original blueprint from Moller. > > Steven Skinner > >>   Bud,   I might want to sell it, but are you sure you're interested? It's a = pretty wooly sound, altho I never did get tired of hearing it. The salicional = and celeste are kinda thin (I like voluptuous strings), and the console is all =   original pneumatic, and it's here on the east side of the nation.   Tell those folks in your parish from St. Lukes in LB hello--none of them = will know me, but I sang for many evensongs under David Koering.       Steven Skinner First Presbyterian Church of the Covenant Erie, PA  
(back) Subject: Re: Moller Artistes From: "Bud" <Quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 15:19:56 -0800   > Bud, > > I might want to sell it, but are you sure you're interested? It's a = pretty > wooly sound, altho I never did get tired of hearing it. The salicional = and > celeste are kinda thin (I like voluptuous strings), and the console is = all > original pneumatic, and it's here on the east side of the nation. > > Tell those folks in your parish from St. Lukes in LB hello--none of them = will > know me, but I sang for many evensongs under David Koering. > > Steven Skinner > First Presbyterian Church of the Covenant > Erie, PA >   Steve:   The Shraders might know you ... they were choir groupies for YEARS at St. = Luke's ....   Now ... about the organ ... does the Diapason REALLY run down to 16', or = is it just tenor C? Who made the Trumpet? Strings can be rescaled ... the = console probably SHOULD be updated at some point, but I'm desperate for something = that can basically be picked up, put back together, and put into service with a minimum of muss and fuss ... under the radar, as it were. What's the = stoplist, and how much do you want for it? Picking it up isn't a problem ... Rich = Schneider could do that sometime when he makes a run back East ...   They are now saying that we MAY be in the building by Christmas of this = year, but more likely Easter of 2001. In any case, the organ loft can certainly = accommodate 5 (?) ranks, even if we have to build an enclosure for it (which we = would). Would you guess it's loud enough for a room with good acoustics seating 200? It = would be in the west gallery ... if nothing else, maybe I could find ANOTHER one = and put the two TOGETHER (grin).   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Upcoming Workshop From: "Jason D. Comet" <bombarde8@juno.com> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 18:47:58 -0500   A Friend and I are directing a Workshop called "MasterWORKShop of Watertown 2000"   The Workshopping will be held at Bethany United Methodist Church (my home church) and the performance will be held in the NY State Office Building Auditorium.   I am having a three manual Allen organ shipped up to Watertown from Syracuse's Great Northern Mall. We have permission to use Syracuse Symphony's Grand Piano housed at the NY State office building. The "MasterWORKShop" Orchestra is just about complete. String players come from the Trillium Strings, a local teaching/performing group, a few individuals, and from Potsdam's Crane School of Music. The rest of the orchestra consists of professionals from Watertown, Ithaca School of Music, and surrounding areas. Our goal is to have a chorus of at least 80 singers (24 sop., 24 alto, 16 ten., 16 bass) being accompanied by an orchestra of at least 40 performers.   The works performed/workshopped will be: Mozart "Dixit Dominus" from the Vespers "Laudate Dominum" from the Vespers (Soloist from Watertown) Beethoven "Finale" (Choral) from IX Sympony Puccini "Senza Mamma, O Bimbo" (Soloist from Ithaca)   Organ Solo: Toccata from Suite Gothique by Leon Boellman (Jason Comet)   Intermission   Medley of Andrew Lloyd Webber shows Medley from the Secret Garden "Wheels of a Dream" form Ragtime "Epiloque" from Ragtime     The workshop will be directed and conducted by Donald S Brown II. Don is a graduate of Ithaca College school of Music. He graduated with a BM (Voice) in combination with and outside field in theatre and a conducting concentration. He is presently Organist and Choir Director at Bethany United Methodist Church.   For more info., visit Bethany U.M.'s web page <http://truepath.members/BethanyUM/index.html>   Thanks, Jason Comet <bombarde8@juno.com>   ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.  
(back) Subject: Re: Frederick Swann dedicates new Casavant (X-Posted) From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 18:19:19 -0600   >Will wrote: > >(SNIP) > > Last night Frederick Swann played the dedication concert on >the new 3/60 > >Casavant at Trinity United Methodist Church in Tallahassee, FL. > >Is it possible to provide the stop list either by typing it in or = scanning >it to those interested?   For those that are interested the stoplist is on the Pensacola AGO Web Site - http://www.pensacola-ago.org - click on the "virtual Organ Crawl" and the go to Tallahassee - the Church is Trinity UMC.   Beside the recital last night, members of the Pensacola Chapter had an organ crawl today in Tallahassee that included the new Casavant, the Taylor & Boody at First Presbyterian and the Holtkamp at the Univeristy. All very interesting instruments but since I just got home, after a 3 hour drive, and have a Symphony concert to attend tonight this is not the time to write about them.   David    
(back) Subject: Re: Frederick Swann dedicates new Casavant (X-Posted) From: "Charles Wertalik" <wertzl@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 20:01:29 -0500   Wow! Looks like Casavant took quite a few pages from Aristide Cavaille-Coll's book on organ building...a VERY impressive stoplist! I'd LOVE to hear this instrument, but until someone records a CD of it, = that'll be an unfulfilled wish.   Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: David Scribner <david@blackiris.com> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2000 7:19 PM Subject: Re: Frederick Swann dedicates new Casavant (X-Posted)   David Scribner wrote:   (snip) > For those that are interested the stoplist is on the Pensacola AGO > Web Site - http://www.pensacola-ago.org - click on the "virtual > Organ Crawl" and the go to Tallahassee - the Church is Trinity UMC. (snip) > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Re: Moller Artistes From: "Pat MacKenzie" <patmackenzie@powersurfr.com> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 18:07:12 -0700   Bud, Noticed your post about an organ. St. Joseph's Basilica in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada has a very large pipe organ for sale. Have no idea what kind, none of the make, model or serial number information.....just know that we have two large pipe organs and one has got to go. This one is at alter level and splits the congregation up you much. If you are interested = I can give you the e-mail address of the Basilica and find out who with information would be the person to get hold of. Regards, Pat MacKenzie. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bud <Quilisma@socal.rr.com> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2000 4:19 PM Subject: Re: Moller Artistes     > > Bud, > > > > I might want to sell it, but are you sure you're interested? It's a pretty > > wooly sound, altho I never did get tired of hearing it. The = salicional and > > celeste are kinda thin (I like voluptuous strings), and the console is all > > original pneumatic, and it's here on the east side of the nation. > > > > Tell those folks in your parish from St. Lukes in LB hello--none of = them will > > know me, but I sang for many evensongs under David Koering. > > > > Steven Skinner > > First Presbyterian Church of the Covenant > > Erie, PA > > > > Steve: > > The Shraders might know you ... they were choir groupies for YEARS at = St. Luke's > ... > > Now ... about the organ ... does the Diapason REALLY run down to 16', or is it > just tenor C? Who made the Trumpet? Strings can be rescaled ... the console > probably SHOULD be updated at some point, but I'm desperate for = something that > can basically be picked up, put back together, and put into service with = a > minimum of muss and fuss ... under the radar, as it were. What's the stoplist, > and how much do you want for it? Picking it up isn't a problem ... Rich Schneider > could do that sometime when he makes a run back East ... > > They are now saying that we MAY be in the building by Christmas of this year, but > more likely Easter of 2001. In any case, the organ loft can certainly accommodate > 5 (?) ranks, even if we have to build an enclosure for it (which we would). Would > you guess it's loud enough for a room with good acoustics seating 200? = It would > be in the west gallery ... if nothing else, maybe I could find ANOTHER = one and > put the two TOGETHER (grin). > > Cheers, > > Bud > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Cavaille-Casavant (grin) From: "Bud" <Quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 18:08:12 -0800       Charles Wertalik wrote:   > Wow! Looks like Casavant took quite a few pages from Aristide > Cavaille-Coll's book on organ building...a VERY impressive stoplist! I'd > LOVE to hear this instrument, but until someone records a CD of it, = that'll > be an unfulfilled wish. > > Chuck   I haven't heard the organ, so I can't judge ... I've heard good things = about Casavant's new tonal director (who's also Curator of Organs for the City = of Paris, or something like that).   HOWEVER, the stoplist STILL displays some of the deficiencies of MOST neo-romantic organs built on this side of the pond, to wit:   1) the lack of an 8' Diapason in the Recit 2) the lack of CHORUS reeds at 16-8-4 on the G.O. and Positif. I suppose = the Tuba Magna MIGHT be intended for that, depending on how it's voiced, but = I'd suspect not. In any case, if it's voiced to "top off" the G.O., then it = can't do double duty on the Positif as well 3) the lack of wide-scale mutations on the Positif 4) the pitches of the mixtures ... unless they descend VERY quickly, = they're simply too HIGH for the Cavaille-Coll sound   Now, I understand that these might have been an issue of economics and/or space, but it looks more like yet another attempt to build an all-purpose organ. The proof is in the hearing, of course.   I have pleaded for YEARS for folks to GO TO THE LITERATURE when they = design an organ ... if you want to build an organ for the Lutheran service that will = play primarily music of the German baroque, then those organs have certain = stops and certain sounds, within which there's an amazingly wide latitude ... from = the steely brilliance of Schnitger to the warmth of Silbermann.   Likewise the French baroque organ, which would find very little use = outside of a university setting these days ... they simply won't PLAY much BUT French baroque literature without making some BIG compromises in the design, and = the RC church has absolutely no use for the kind of Organ Mass that they were primarily intended for.   Now, the French romantic organ -- they have their own version of terrace dynamics, and an almost indispensable part of that scheme is the Positif = chorus reeds ... they form the dynamic bridge between the reeds of the Recit and = the reeds of the G.O. and Pedale (which usually come on together).   An organist playing a Cavaille-Coll will almost invariably draw the = following setup for Mass/improvising:   Recit - Fonds d' Orgue (all the 8' flues, maybe the Hautbois), Anche = preparee (all the remaining flues, mixtures (Cornet ... some are on the Anches side = of the chest, and some aren't) and the chorus reeds 16-8-4 drawn, but = silenced by not engaging the ventil to allow the wind into that side of the chest) Positif - ditto, with the Recit coupled G.O. - ditto, with the Positif coupled (on Barker lever action, the Recit = will "couple through") Pedale - ditto, with the G.O. coupled .. although most Cavaille-Coll = organs have separate pedal couplers for each manual, drawing the G.O. to Pedale = with the manuals coupled will also cause the Recit and Positif to be coupled to = the Pedale as well ... everything couples DOWN, the G.O. being the BOTTOM = manual.   By beginning on the Recit, then passing to the Positif, and then to the = G.O., the first half of the crescendo is accomplished. Then by returning to the = Recit and bringing on the reeds, then going to the Positif and bringing on the = reeds, and finally to the G.O. and bringing on the G.O. and Pedale reeds the = second half is accomplished. There are variations, of course, but that's the = basic scheme.   Cavaille-Coll DID build some small organs, but the average French church = would be considered cathedral-size by American standards ... and the = Cavaille-Coll sound is intended to fill them. It's a neat trick to rescale the sound to = fit into the average American church.   Cheers,   Bud        
(back) Subject: organs used, large and small From: "Bud" <Quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 18:11:57 -0800       Pat MacKenzie wrote:   > Bud, > Noticed your post about an organ. St. Joseph's Basilica in Edmonton, > Alberta, Canada has a very large pipe organ for sale. Have no idea what > kind, none of the make, model or serial number information.....just know > that we have two large pipe organs and one has got to go. This one is at > alter level and splits the congregation up you much. If you are = interested I > can give you the e-mail address of the Basilica and find out who with > information would be the person to get hold of. > Regards, > Pat MacKenzie.   I think I know that organ, but would like to know more about it. However, = what I'm looking for at this point is a modest-sized organ for the INTERIM = church which could either be resold or donated to one of our other parishes, = and/or be incorporated into a larger organ for the main church, when/if it gets = built. I've seen some WONDERFUL large instruments come and go on the market, but = I simply don't have the financial support to store something like that until = we're ready to build the main church.   Cheers,   Bud