PipeChat Digest #1270 - Thursday, February 17, 2000
 
art of the fugue
  by "Pole" <pandk@ciaccess.com>
A bit of a challenge.. Service Music at Cadet Chapel, WP, NY Feb 13
  by "Pat Maimone" <patmai@juno.com>
RE: Art of Fugue
  by <steve@open-tech.com>
Re: Art of Fugue
  by <LeliaLoban@aol.com>
Re: art of the fugue
  by "Bud" <Quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Art of Fugue
  by "Bud" <Quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Old Theatre Organ Photos
  by "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com>
Re: Hammonds
  by "Richard Pinel" <rpinelchat@musicman123.freeserve.co.uk>
Re: Fw: Virgil Fox and Wanamaker Organ
  by <CHERCAPA@aol.com>
Re: A bit of a challenge.. Service Music at Cadet Chapel, WP, NY Feb	 13
  by "Maynard Cuppy" <cuppy.maynard@mcleodusa.net>
Re: Old Theatre Organ Photos
  by <OrganMD@aol.com>
 



(back) Subject: art of the fugue From: "Pole" <pandk@ciaccess.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 07:50:58 -0500   BUD wrote: >Completions of the last Contrapunctus are interesting, but I still like >the old way of doing it ... let the last Contrapunctus trail off just as >Bach left it, and then after a moment of silence, play "Before Thy >Throne" from the Great Eighteen ... yeah, I know, it's a 19th century >romantic thing, but it's SO effective ... >   Isn't "Before thy throne" equally as spurious as Tovey's completion? Or am I thinking of another c.p.?   I remember hearing Helmut Walcha's Art of the Fugue recitals at the = Royal Festival Hall In London in about 1965. Organ concerts were held there every Wednesday at the odd time of 5:55pm. I never missed these, and recall the largest crowd came for Walcha. Of course wild applause erupted after he stopped, and he stilled it with an irritated shake of his head and arms, before starting the c.p.   Don   ********************* http://www.pandk.com ********************  
(back) Subject: A bit of a challenge.. Service Music at Cadet Chapel, WP, NY Feb 13 From: "Pat Maimone" <patmai@juno.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 07:59:07 -0500   Order of Service February 13, 2000 10:30 AM   Prelude We Shall Overcome (manualiter) arr. Alec Wyton Deck Thyself, O Soul, with Gladness (manualiter) G. P. Telemann Rigaudon Andre Campra (These were plan "B" after a certain Tuba Sonora became stuck in the pedals.. Not a cipher.. just every pedal note sounded said Tuba without my drawing a stop indicating same, even after pushing general cancel and giving the instrument an extra hour's rest.)   Choral Introit Kocher, arr. Monk For the joy of human love Hymn Praise to the Lord, the Almighty Lobe den Herren   Sermon The Rev. Dr. Ronald B. Fritts "How to Stop Worrying and Start Living" Matthew 6:25-34   Offertory Anthem Avery and Marsh, arr. Philip Dieterrich "Possibly, Probably" Cadet Chapel Choir, MSG Joe Mariany, Saxophone   Songs "Spirit Song," "It Is Well with My Soul," "Turn Your Eyes upon Jesus" Piano and Guitar Hymn His Eye Is on the Sparrow Postlude Fugue in E Flat Major BWV 552 J. S. Bach   Pat Maimone Interim Organist-Choirmaster Cadet Chapel, West Point, NY !V/325     ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.  
(back) Subject: RE: Art of Fugue From: <steve@open-tech.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 08:59:15 -0600   That's what I like about this list, ask a simple question and get an = opinion about what you're doing in reply.   I am well aware of the effectiveness of Contrapunctus 14 as Bach left it followed by Vor Deinen Thron... It's real life, it's what happened.   My question was, who is the publisher of the Tovey completion? I found a MIDI file of same on the net and it's remarkable music, a full fleshing = out of the contrapuntal possibilities of the four themes. For those of us who appreciate great counterpoint it's a head spinning experience to follow it all. It's a reasonable facsimile of what Bach intended but was not able to give us. The reason I want to find the publisher is I'd like to arrange internet licensing (Tovey died in 1940 and it's still under copyright) to make it available to those who choose to hear it. Bud, I'll understand if you don't.   Thanks,   Steve Chandler     Subject: Art of Fugue From: "Bud" <Quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 12:41:17 -0800   Completions of the last Contrapunctus are interesting, but I still like the old way of doing it ... let the last Contrapunctus trail off just as Bach left it, and then after a moment of silence, play "Before Thy Throne" from the Great Eighteen ... yeah, I know, it's a 19th century romantic thing, but it's SO effective ...   We did it that way when we (Dr. Roberta Gary, Robert Love and myself) played it in Cincinnati in '71, and again for a post-convention recital after the '72 AGO Convention in Dallas (Ken Nienhuis, Robert Love, Don Pearson and myself) on that lovely little Sipe tracker organ in the GLORIOUS acoustics of St. Stephen's Methodist in Mesquite, TX.   No, we didn't do it with three or four players at one organ (grin) ... we divided it up into three parts and four parts, respectively.   Cheers,   Bud      
(back) Subject: Re: Art of Fugue From: <LeliaLoban@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 10:05:57 EST     "Bud" <QuilismBud" <Quilisma@socal.rr.com> wrote, >Completions of the last Contrapunctus are interesting, but I still like = the old way of doing it ... let the last Contrapunctus trail off just as Bach left it, and then after a moment of silence, play "Before Thy Throne" from =   the Great Eighteen ... yeah, I know, it's a 19th century romantic thing, = but it's SO effective ...>   The idea of finishing Bach's music for him has always struck me as presumptuous, no matter how skilled the composer who attempts it. I = prefer to hear the organist simply leave off, abruptly. The music sounds so = ominous right there, the way Bach had just note-spelled his own name, BACH -- building layers of voices into what might have roared up into a thunderous =   climax, if he hadn't died before he could finish dictating the rest. Such = an ending unsettles the audience, granted, but why should it not? That's the =   truth about this fugue. To me, there's something profoundly powerful = about letting the music fall right off the edge, into the void or the mystery or =   whatever waited for Bach out there with his work left unfinished: in = silence.   Lelia  
(back) Subject: Re: art of the fugue From: "Bud" <Quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 08:00:46 -0800   You must be thinking of another c.p. ... it's not in the Anhang of any of = the editions I have ... always bound with the other 17.   Cheers,   Bud   Pole wrote:   > BUD wrote: > >Completions of the last Contrapunctus are interesting, but I still like > >the old way of doing it ... let the last Contrapunctus trail off just = as > >Bach left it, and then after a moment of silence, play "Before Thy > >Throne" from the Great Eighteen ... yeah, I know, it's a 19th century > >romantic thing, but it's SO effective ... > > > > Isn't "Before thy throne" equally as spurious as Tovey's completion? Or = am > I thinking of another c.p.? > > I remember hearing Helmut Walcha's Art of the Fugue recitals at the = Royal > Festival Hall In London in about 1965. Organ concerts were held there > every Wednesday at the odd time of 5:55pm. I never missed these, and > recall the largest crowd came for Walcha. Of course wild applause = erupted > after he stopped, and he stilled it with an irritated shake of his head > and arms, before starting the c.p. > > Don > > ********************* > http://www.pandk.com > ******************** > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Art of Fugue From: "Bud" <Quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 08:06:12 -0800   My opinion, and I'm entitled to it, since I HAVE the work in my = REPERTOIRE.   Cheers,   Bud   steve@open-tech.com wrote:   > That's what I like about this list, ask a simple question and get an = opinion > about what you're doing in reply. > > I am well aware of the effectiveness of Contrapunctus 14 as Bach left it > followed by Vor Deinen Thron... It's real life, it's what happened. > > My question was, who is the publisher of the Tovey completion? I found a > MIDI file of same on the net and it's remarkable music, a full fleshing = out > of the contrapuntal possibilities of the four themes. For those of us = who > appreciate great counterpoint it's a head spinning experience to follow = it > all. It's a reasonable facsimile of what Bach intended but was not able = to > give us. The reason I want to find the publisher is I'd like to arrange > internet licensing (Tovey died in 1940 and it's still under copyright) = to > make it available to those who choose to hear it. Bud, I'll understand = if > you don't. > > Thanks, > > Steve Chandler > > Subject: Art of Fugue > From: "Bud" <Quilisma@socal.rr.com> > Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 12:41:17 -0800 > > Completions of the last Contrapunctus are interesting, but I still like > the old way of doing it ... let the last Contrapunctus trail off just as > Bach left it, and then after a moment of silence, play "Before Thy > Throne" from the Great Eighteen ... yeah, I know, it's a 19th century > romantic thing, but it's SO effective ... > > We did it that way when we (Dr. Roberta Gary, Robert Love and myself) > played it in Cincinnati in '71, and again for a post-convention recital > after the '72 AGO Convention in Dallas (Ken Nienhuis, Robert Love, Don > Pearson and myself) on that lovely little Sipe tracker organ in the > GLORIOUS acoustics of St. Stephen's Methodist in Mesquite, TX. > > No, we didn't do it with three or four players at one organ (grin) ... > we divided it up into three parts and four parts, respectively. > > Cheers, > > Bud > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Old Theatre Organ Photos From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 11:55:12 -0500   I have 5 old photos I will send to whomever would like them, either separately or together. If there are several requests I will do a drawing. =   I do not have a scanner. 1) an 8X6 publicity photo of George Wright at ? the Fox Theatre in Detroit, a 5 manual Wurlitzer, taken prior to the mid-1960's, black and white photo 2) Empire Theatre Kimball, Kansas City MO, 1961, unidentified player, white console, colored photo 3) Three black and white photos of a 4 manual Robert Morton, 25 ranks, taken in 1963 at the Midland Bowling Arena, Kansas City, MO, 4 bowling lanes endng on the stage of a former elaborate theatre.   E-mail your snailmail address to: 71431.2534@compuserve.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Hammonds From: "Richard Pinel" <rpinelchat@musicman123.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 18:49:29 -0000   >While Hammonds, and other electronic synthesysers with preset sounds intended to >call to mind organ pipes, are marketed as substitutes for pipe organs, = the fact >is that these devices are legitimate instruments in their own right.     I couldn't agree more, however I just found it slightly ironic!!!   Richard    
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: Virgil Fox and Wanamaker Organ From: <CHERCAPA@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 15:08:07 EST   To the list, I have a tape of the LP album which I made in Korat, Thailand = in 1966 from an Lp owned by a Capt. John Fardal who I believe was originally from Connecticut. We were both Captains at the time, he in the Army flying =   VIP's to the border and Chaing Mai (a resort) while I was Air force in = charge of fixing F-105's. I occasionally play it on my Akai 355 (it's a 7" reel). = In the background there is some pounding during which John was nailing his = hold baggage shut before he shipped out.It brings back memories not only of the =   beauty of Bach's Komm Susser Todt but also the many friends that are now = held in the bosom of God who lost their lives in the Vietnam conflict. Paul  
(back) Subject: Re: A bit of a challenge.. Service Music at Cadet Chapel, WP, NY Feb 13 From: "Maynard Cuppy" <cuppy.maynard@mcleodusa.net> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 16:10:13 -0600       Pat Maimone wrote:   > Not a cipher.. just every pedal note sounded said Tuba without my > drawing > a stop indicating same, even after pushing general cancel and giving = the > instrument an extra hour's rest.) > > Pat,   My sympathies. Back in the days before digitally controlled consoles, my friend the organ builder used to recommend giving his instruments a good swift kick in the SFZ (toe stud). He was only half joking. It used to = work wonders on a multitude of illnesses.Maynard First Baptist Church Iowa City IA (Where I wouldn't dream of trying that now).    
(back) Subject: Re: Old Theatre Organ Photos From: <OrganMD@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 19:19:30 EST   Hi Judy,   If you have no other takers, I would love those photos. Any or all. Bill =   Hesterman Rocky Mountain Organ Co., Inc. P.O. Box 17813 Salt Lake City, UT 84117-0813   Thank you for even considering me.   Bill