PipeChat Digest #1275 - Monday, February 21, 2000
 
New suscriber
  by <TRACKELECT@cs.com>
National Shrine Kilgen- BIG Update (x posted)
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Saint-Saens Organ Symphony
  by "ldpatte@attglobal.net" <ldpatte@attglobal.net>
Re: New suscriber
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: New subscriber
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
RE: Saint-Saens Organ Symphony
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
RE: Saint-Saens Organ Symphony
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
service list - Sexagesima (X-posted) - longish
  by "Bud" <Quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: FS Rodgers Organ
  by <Musmachns@aol.com>
Cantata #4
  by "Irwin Franklin" <irwinfranklin@yahoo.com>
temperature variations in an organ chamber.
  by "Hugh Drogemuller" <lon.hdrogemuller@wwdc.com>
Re: temperature variations in an organ chamber.
  by <TRACKELECT@cs.com>
Re: Pedal to manual couplers
  by "Brent Johnson" <bmjohns@fgi.net>
Re: temperature variations in an organ chamber.
  by "Bud" <Quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: temperature variations in an organ chamber.
  by "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net>
Re: temperature variations in an organ chamber.
  by "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net>
 



(back) Subject: New suscriber From: <TRACKELECT@cs.com> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 15:51:40 EST   I'm sending this out just to see if it will get through. I am an = organbuilder with 25 years of experience and have tried unsuccessfully to get into = other organ chat sites. If anyone sees this please let me know. I am still a bit =   skeptical about these new fangled computers.  
(back) Subject: National Shrine Kilgen- BIG Update (x posted) From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 16:13:19 EST   This past week Clark Wilson and Brant Duddy worked at the National Shrine = of the Little Flower to complete the tonal restoration of the 1933 Grand = Kilgen pipe organ, Opus 5180. The general goal and purpose of this work, = following many long years and months of effort on the parts or many devoted individuals, was to restore the proper pipe speech and tonalities that = were originally set by Henry Vincent Willis upon the installation of the instrument. Without a doubt, the efforts of Brant and Clark MORE than = paid off.   A short synopsis of the organ's life and history is as follows. The = contract for opus 5180 was signed by Fr. Charles Coughlin on the Feast of St. = Therese of Lisieux (October 1), 1933. It was designed by Charles Courboin and = Pietro Yon in consultation with the Shrine's organists Denise McHugh and Cyril Guthoerl. The organ was installed, voiced by Willis and dedicated by Courboin. It was maintained until 1958 or 59 by Kilgen's own = representatives in Detroit. Following their tenure various firms tuned and maintained the =   instrument, including Hebert and Associates and Aebel and Associates, in addition to other individuals along the way and in between. In the early 70's it was releathered and from that point played until it could play no more.   Without the heroic efforts of lifelong Shrine members Ethel and Bill Dixon =   the organ would not play today. Their vision, drive and dedication = brought the organ back to life, literally. In addition, the support of former pastors Alex Brunette, John Nienstedt and the continuing support and = vision of current pastor Monsignor William Easton made the project a living = reality. Bill and Ethel started out by releathering the bottom pouch boards in the =   main divisions in the gallery and, subsequently, the antiphonal chambers = in the basement. If there is ever a dignified and honorable legacy, the = Dixon's can unashamedly claim the Shrine's organ as one of theirs. In a word, = they gave Shrine back it's Kilgen organ, "the soul of the church" as Fr. = Coughlin referred to it. OHS member and officer Allen Hunter came by during the = work hours and visited with Brant and Clark. He left afterward saying that he = was glad to finally see and hear what he knew the organ was capable of, and = that we brought in just the right individuals for this critical and delicate = final stage of the project. "Very fine" were his final words as he left the building last night.   Donald Pole of Pole and Kingham, Chatham, Ontario, did the console and = solid state work and is still very much involved with the project as he is our "solid state" man. Don also encouraged Bill Dixon, at the outset of the project, to keep the original configuration and contents of the organ = totally intact. Thank heavens for that! Roger Mumbrue was brought on board in August 1998 to assist in the mechanical issues that such a huge and = neglected instrument manifested. Through the execution of releathering, returning = the wind pressures to their original intended pressures in each chamber, solid =   stating of the relays and consoles, installation of new expression engines =   and final tonal re-regulation the organ now sings out triumphantly as it = was intended to.   On the way to the airport this morning Brant Duddy stated that he never dreamed they would cover so much ground in the time they were here or that = it would turn out as good as it did given the time frame the work was to be = done in. Clark Wilson stated a similar sentiment and said that this is without = a doubt a world class instrument; rare and valuable. It was so very interesting to see them work and light up when a pipe would begin speaking =   properly again without barking or overblowing or sagging or whatever the = case was. I must say that 100 ranks of mush from past decades now have a = clarity, definition and blend that I never dreamed possible. One simply must play = it to believe it.   Having played it daily since my arrival in June 1998 it truly has gone through a phoenix. My new Liturgical Music Assistant, who started just this morning, summed up the sound as "just fabulous!" I had about 10 = individuals from the congregation, cantors and choir members who knew of the tonal = work compliment the instrument following the choir mass this morning. THAT'S = rare!   It is smooth, it is dignified, it is gentle, it is triumphant, it is a = dream come true for an organist. The funny thing is that I now have to reset = some pistons because the pipes are speaking and blending as they were = originally intended to!   Yes there are minor adjustments and details to be accomplished in the = coming months, but Shrine can once again be proud of their one of a kind pipe = organ. There was an interesting thread a few weeks ago regarding roll tops on = organ consoles. The Shrine consoles both have roll tops but they are not = closed. the consoles' appearances are exciting and impressive- why hide them. The =   pipe chambers, however, will now be locked and the precious historic = contents jealously guarded. This organ will never again be allowed to fall into disrepair and unplayability.   One last quote made by Brant this morning before he left was "the organ is =   now once again worthy of the building it is in." No more need be said.   Thanks to all who have helped with this project through the years, but = most notably to the Dixons for getting it all started and making the organ play =   again. Also, many thanks to Monsignor Easton for his continued support not =   only of the organ project but of our comprehensive music program as it ministers to and helps to grow the church.   As usual, there is an open, standing invitation for anyone who ever finds themselves in the area to stop by, see the magnificent art deco worship = space and try our Grand Kilgen pipe organ.   Scott F. Foppiano, Director of Music and Liturgical Coordination National Shrine of the Little Flower, Royal Oak, Michigan  
(back) Subject: Saint-Saens Organ Symphony From: "ldpatte@attglobal.net" <ldpatte@attglobal.net> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 16:17:46 -0500   Does anybody know where one could hear a live performance of Saint-Saens Organ Symphony around the Great Lakes area. I am from London, Ontario, Canada, and I would travel to any province or state that borders Lake Erie or Lake Ontario, or maybe even a bit past that if necessary.   Thanks in advance to anyone who could help me out.   Dave C.      
(back) Subject: Re: New suscriber From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 13:43:30   At 03:51 PM 2/20/2000 EST, you wrote: >I'm sending this out just to see if it will get through. I am an organbuilder >with 25 years of experience and have tried unsuccessfully to get into other organ chat sites.<snip>   Well, you made it in here.   >If anyone sees this please let me know. I am still a bit >skeptical about these new fangled computers.<snip>   Better get used to them...they're becoming more and more a part of the organ world everyday, even to the point of replacing pipes themselves!   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: New subscriber From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 16:08:02 -0600   >I'm sending this out just to see if it will get through. I am an = organbuilder >with 25 years of experience and have tried unsuccessfully to get into = other >organ chat sites. If anyone sees this please let me know. I am still a = bit >skeptical about these new fangled computers.   You have made it onto PipeChat successfully - Welcome!!   You will find there are several other organ builders on this list, I will let them identify themselves to you, either publicly or privately. Feel free to tell us about yourself, if you want to.   David   **************************************** David Scribner Co-Owner / Technical Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org 850-478-9635 mailto:david@blackiris.com  
(back) Subject: RE: Saint-Saens Organ Symphony From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 16:07:13 -0600   Dave:   The Chicago Symphony may program it in the future now that they have a suitable instrument.   Peter   -----Original Message----- From: ldpatte@attglobal.net [mailto:ldpatte@attglobal.net] Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2000 3:18 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Saint-Saens Organ Symphony     Does anybody know where one could hear a live performance of Saint-Saens Organ Symphony around the Great Lakes area. I am from London, Ontario, Canada, and I would travel to any province or state that borders Lake Erie or Lake Ontario, or maybe even a bit past that if necessary.   Thanks in advance to anyone who could help me out.   Dave C.       "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: RE: Saint-Saens Organ Symphony From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 16:16:08 -0600   And it might also be possible that the Cleveland Orchestra will do it once the restored Skinner is returned to the Hall.   BTW, there is a very interesting page on the Schantz web site about the Severance Hall organ - the URL is: http://www.schantzorgan.com/severance.htm   David   >Dave: > >The Chicago Symphony may program it in the future now that they have a >suitable instrument. > >Peter > >-----Original Message----- >From: ldpatte@attglobal.net [mailto:ldpatte@attglobal.net] >Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2000 3:18 PM >To: pipechat@pipechat.org >Subject: Saint-Saens Organ Symphony > > >Does anybody know where one could hear a live performance of Saint-Saens >Organ Symphony around the Great Lakes area. I am from London, Ontario, >Canada, and I would travel to any province or state that borders Lake >Erie or Lake Ontario, or maybe even a bit past that if necessary. > >Thanks in advance to anyone who could help me out. > >Dave C. > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: service list - Sexagesima (X-posted) - longish From: "Bud" <Quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 14:18:07 -0800   This is an experiment ... somebody asked to see our bulletin ... it doesn't come across with formatting, of course, but here 'tis ("BCP" =3D Book of Common Prayer, 1928; "Hymnal" =3D The Episcopal = Hymnal, 1940):   ST. MATTHEW'S ANGLICAN CATHOLIC CHURCH 1723 Westcliff Drive Newport Beach CA USA   SEXAGESIMA The Second Sunday before Lent Sunday, February 27, 2000 - Solemn Mass at 10:30 a.m.   Silent Prayers of Preparation Voluntary- Where Charity and Love Prevail- Benoit Processional Hymn- Behold A Sower- Hymnal 401 Collect for Purity -BCP 67 Introit- Exsurge - Psalm 44 (choir) - Dr. Willan / Gregorian Tone i   (Antiphon) Awake, why sleepest thou, O Lord? Arise, cast us not off forever. Wherefore hidest thou thy face and forgettest our affliction? Our soul is bowed down to the dust; arise for our help and redeem us. (Psalm) O God, we have heard with our ears: * our fathers have declared unto us. (Verse) Glory be ... (Antiphon) Awake ...   Summary of the Law -BCP 69 Kyrie eleison- Oldroyd- insert   LITURGY OF THE WORD   Collect- BCP 120 Epistle- 2 Corinthians 11:19- BCP 120 Gradual- In te Domine speravi - Psalm 71:1-4 (choir) - fauxbourdon/ Gregorian Tone ii   (Respond) In thee, O Lord, have I put my trust; let me never be put to confusion. (Verse) Rid me and deliver me in thy righteousness; * incline thine ear unto me, and save me. (Verse) Be thou my stronghold, whereunto I may alway resort: * thou hast promised to help me, for thou art my house of defence, and my castle. (Respond) In thee ... (Verse) Deliver me, O My God, out of the hand of the ungodly, * out of the hand of the unrighteous and cruel man. (Verse) For thou, O Lord God, art the thing that I long for: * thou art my hope, even from my youth. (Respond) In thee ...   Holy Gospel St. Luke 8:4 BCP 121 At the Retro-Procession, Acclamation (sung by all) - Albanian (!) Service-Book   Praise be to thee, O Christ. By the words of the Holy Gospel, may our sins be blotted out. Thrice-Holy and Immortal God, save thy servants who sing to thee.   Nicene Creed BCP 71 Sermon   LITURGY OF THE EUCHARIST   He Took - The Offertory   Offertory Sentences -BCP 72, 73 Anthem - My Eyes For Beauty Pine - Howells For the Doxology -Hymnal 733 All things come of thee, O Lord: * and of thine own have WE given thee. Amen Prayer for the Whole State of Christ's Church- BCP 74 Invitation and General Confession -BCP 75 Absolution and Comfortable Words -BCP 76   He Blessed - The Consecration   Priest: The Lord be with you. All: And with thy spirit. Sursum corda and Preface of the Trinity- BCP 77, 79 Sanctus- Merbecke - Hymnal 796- BCP 79 Benedictus Blessed is He that cometh in the Name of the Lord. Hosanna in the Highest! Prayer of Consecration BCP- 80, 81 Great Amen- Three-fold Danish The Lord's Prayer- BCP 82   He Broke - The Fraction   Priest: The Peace of the Lord be always with you. All: And with thy spirit. Prayer of Humble Access- BCP 82 Agnus Dei- Oldroyd- insert   He Gave - The Communion   Priest: Behold the Lamb of God; behold Him who takes away the sins of the world. Administration of Holy Communion Communion- Repleatur os meum - Psalm 71: 7, 21-22 (choir) - Gregorian, Mode VII   I will go unto the altar of God: even unto the God of my joy and gladness.   Anthem - In Remembrance of Me (??) Communion Hymn -Father, We Thank Thee -Hymnal 195 General Thanksgiving and Blessing- BCP 83, 84 Recessional Hymn- Am I A Soldier of the Cross- Hymnal 550 (sung to the tune "All Saints New", Hymnal 549) Kneeling Hymn- Day By Day- Hymnal 429, 2nd Tune Voluntary -Prelude in G Major -Bach   We sang the Albanian Acclamation for the first time this morning ... they LOVED it! Minor key, VERY Rooshian (grin).   Cheers,   Bud, Titulaire, le Grand Hammond/Suzuki (but we don't play it much in purple seasons ... grin!)    
(back) Subject: Re: FS Rodgers Organ From: <Musmachns@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 18:07:26 EST   For Sale, Rodgers Trio Organ W/2 finished speaker cabinets. Information or pictures on request. Located Near Traverse City Michigan. A. Struble MusicMachines@juno.com  
(back) Subject: Cantata #4 From: "Irwin Franklin" <irwinfranklin@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 15:32:39 -0800 (PST)   Thanks everyone for the information. I now have just what I need.   Tom Ed Moore __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: temperature variations in an organ chamber. From: "Hugh Drogemuller" <lon.hdrogemuller@wwdc.com> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 19:10:48 -0500   Does anyone have ideas, preferably based on the "school of hard knocks" how to deal with a temperature variation between the space in the swell box and the adjacent space containing the great and pedal. It seems as if the problems in the winter need may not be the same as those in the = summer. Our climate can be, typically, -10 or -15C outside, in the winter and 24 = to 30C, outside, in summer. Any suggestions of practical solutions would be appreciated. The installation of an HVAC system in a volume of 74000 cu.ft to deal with the problem of a 3100 cu.ft.volume is not an option.   Thankyou,   HD    
(back) Subject: Re: temperature variations in an organ chamber. From: <TRACKELECT@cs.com> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 20:59:36 EST   I assume, that because you are having this problem, that your swell = division is in a chamber with un or poorly insulated exterior walls and the great/pedal is unenclosed. There are no simple solutions here. The installation of one or more room to room fans in the swell chamber to blow =   air out of the chamber and pull air in through the shades should help. I assume you leave the shades open when not in use. The right way to solve = this problem is to insulate the chamber walls and enlarge the shade openings as =   much as possible. A good organ chamber should have shades on at least two sides and be as close to the other divisions as possible. The key words = here are common air space. Also, are the service people tuning the organ at the =   same time of the day that it is used? If they tuned it at 3:00 PM with the =   afternoon sun beating down on the swell chamber roof then how can it be in =   tune with the great on Sunday morning?   Good luck: Alan A. Binger  
(back) Subject: Re: Pedal to manual couplers From: "Brent Johnson" <bmjohns@fgi.net> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 20:02:14 -0600   > While nursing a broken left ankle I have come to realize that there are > many uses of a pedal to manual coupler. > I have only seen one coupler like this on a very old Wicks practice = organ > at the University of Wisconsin/Madison. > Are any present day builders including this stop in new instruments?   Wicks is still putting this stop in when requested. Currently being completed in the shop is Opus 6382 for First Baptist Church Ocala, Florida is a 79 rank instrument that has the following couplers on the great: Pedal Bass Coupler to Great Swell Melody Coupler to Great Solo Melody Coupler to Great For the complete spec, you can visit the Wicks web site at http://www.wicks.com/organ Brent Johnson    
(back) Subject: Re: temperature variations in an organ chamber. From: "Bud" <Quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 18:20:35 -0800   You don't need an HVAC system ... in fact, that would PROBABLY be more destructive than helpful, based on what has happened to churches in Europe = with historic organs who have installed central heating and/or air, since it RADICALLY reduces the humidity ... old chestwork splits and cracks, etc.   Probably the best solution still isn't cheap, but it's a lot cheaper than = HVAC: a large squirrel-cage fan than is quiet and can move a large volume of air SLOWLY, with ducting to (1) draw air from the level of the Great and Pedal pipes and (2) circulate it in the swell box. ALSO (very important) the = BLOWER needs to be ducted to draw air from the SAME level (Great and Pedal), so = you aren't pumping cool, moist air from the basement (or wherever the blower = is located) into a hot church.   Doing those two things would at least give the organ a fighting CHANCE to = stay in tune, UNLESS there are other factors like windows, drafts, or = spotlights on the Great and Pedal pipes.   I used to play an old high-pressure Austin where the only place to put the cement-mixer Orgoblo was in the unheated bell-tower (the Austin replaced a hand-pumped tracker) ... I had to get to Mass at least an hour early in = the winter, open the doors to the bell tower, and turn on the Austin to give = the temperature a chance to at least equalize SOMEWHAT ... I couldn't leave = the doors open all the time, though, or all the heat in the church went up the tower (grin). Of course, those old high-pressure Austins were the next = best thing to a Hammond ... you COULDN'T kill 'em, and the tuning, amazingly enough, would usually come back in by the late Mass.   Cheers,   Bud   Hugh Drogemuller wrote:   > Does anyone have ideas, preferably based on the "school of hard knocks" > how to deal with a temperature variation between the space in the = swell > box and the adjacent space containing the great and pedal. It seems as = if > the problems in the winter need may not be the same as those in the = summer. > Our climate can be, typically, -10 or -15C outside, in the winter and 24 = to > 30C, outside, in summer. Any suggestions of practical solutions would = be > appreciated. The installation of an HVAC system in a volume of 74000 > cu.ft to deal with the problem of a 3100 cu.ft.volume is not an option. > > Thankyou, > > HD > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: temperature variations in an organ chamber. From: "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 22:53:47 -0500 (EST)   Hugh, You didn't say exactly what the problem was; I hope this helps.   A friend of mine (in North Carolina) played a tracker in a chancel niche installation in which the Great was in the front case, the Swell was in the center case, and the Pedal was in the rear case. There were tone openings to the choir and nave; the organ faced the choir and the sides of the Swell and Pedal cases were visible from the north transept. The problem he encountered was that the Swell did not heat up as quickly as the Great and Pedal which was exacerbated with the heat being turned on early Sunday morning. This problem was solved by leaving the Swell shades closed during the winter to hold in the heat from the day before. It worked in reverse in the summer.   I have successfully used circulating floor fans to equalize/stabilize temperatures in hot climates, but don't know the physical layout of your instrument so can't really do more than recommened that you place floor fans strategically, and "light a candle" in the chapel as you leave! ;-)   bruce cornely ~:~:~ rohrschok8@webtv.net gainesville, florida   http://community.webtv.net/cremona84000/ALLHAILTHEPOWERand http://community.webtv.net/hydrant/TheBeaglesNest http://community.webtv.net/rohrschok8/OrganMusicLibrary    
(back) Subject: Re: temperature variations in an organ chamber. From: "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 22:57:21 -0500 (EST)   I forgot to mention...   If there is grille cloth.... get rid of it. It prevents circulation. Also, ceiling fans are helpful. They can be left on when the organ is not in use. If on when the organ is being used you get a delightful "leslie" effect!   bruce cornely ~:~:~ rohrschok8@webtv.net gainesville, florida   http://community.webtv.net/cremona84000/ALLHAILTHEPOWERand http://community.webtv.net/hydrant/TheBeaglesNest http://community.webtv.net/rohrschok8/OrganMusicLibrary