PipeChat Digest #1282 - Monday, February 28, 2000
 
Re: Website.
  by "Richard Pinel" <rpinelchat@musicman123.freeserve.co.uk>
Hymns in Public
  by "Pole" <pandk@ciaccess.com>
Re: Hymns in Public
  by "Edward Marsh" <edmarsh@lineone.net>
Re: Hymns in Public
  by <DudelK@aol.com>
Re: Hymns in Public
  by <Quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Hymns in Public
  by <Quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Pedal to manual couplers
  by "Ben Schaffer" <Benjamin.Schaffer@oberlin.edu>
Re: Hymns in Public
  by "Maynard Cuppy" <cuppy.maynard@mcleodusa.net>
Re: facades, etc.
  by "Charles Wertalik" <wertzl@earthlink.net>
Re: Hymns in Public
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: BWV705 and more
  by "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net>
Re: Many thanks...
  by "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net>
Re: facades, etc.
  by "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net>
Re: BWV705 and more
  by <Quilisma@socal.rr.com>
BWV705 again  - with translation!
  by "Mark Harris" <M.Harris@Admin.lon.ac.uk>
 



(back) Subject: Re: Website. From: "Richard Pinel" <rpinelchat@musicman123.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 16:03:35 -0000   >Hi Richard, > >You might want to check your sight. On the large organ there is no pedal >division listed but I see a pedal board. Is this one of the older = English >organs with no pedal stops of it's own ? > >Also check our the Great and Swell stop listings. They are the same save for >the 16' Quintadon and 8'Diapason on the Gt and 8'Tapered Flute and Viola = de >Gamba on the Swell. Looks like some one was typing the Swell stop list = and >started reading the Great again! Is this the way it is? > >Other wise - nice history on the church! I'm a big church history buff = and >it was very interesting reading. > >All the best, > >Erik     Erik,   Thanks for bringing this to my attention. The pedal should read: 16' Bourdon 16' Violone 10 2/3' Quint 8' Octave 8' Gedackt 4' Principal Mixture 4r 16' Trombone 8' Trumpet   Usual Couplers   Swell should read: 8' Viola de Gamba 8' Voix Celeste 8' Tapered Flute 4' Principal 4' Wald Flute 2' Octavin 2 2/3 Nazard 1 3/5 Tierce Fourniture 4r 16' Bassoon 8' Echo Trumpet Trem   The organ is J Walkers. I will sort this out next time we update the website, along with details of the chancel and lady chapels organs.   Richard.    
(back) Subject: Hymns in Public From: "Pole" <pandk@ciaccess.com> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 14:04:13 -0500   I would appreciate help in collating the titles of hymns and anthems used at the following state occasions:   1. QE II wedding and coronation 2. Winston Churchill funeral 3. Princess Diana funeral   Also looking for movies in which a hymn played a significant rather than incidental role in the film...such as Jerusalem in Chariots of Fire.   Thanks, Don   ********************* http://www.pandk.com ********************  
(back) Subject: Re: Hymns in Public From: "Edward Marsh" <edmarsh@lineone.net> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 19:22:21 -0000   Subject: Hymns in Public   > I would appreciate help in collating the titles of hymns and anthems = used > at the following state occasions: > > 1. QE II wedding and coronation > 2. Winston Churchill funeral > 3. Princess Diana funeral   You need to contact the administrator/librarian at Westminster Abbey. They do have a web site. They were extremely helpful in my quest for = information about the Funeral of The Earl Lord Mountbatten after which, Brewer's = 'Marche Heroique' was played and also, subsequently, at the Marriage of The Prince Edward with Miss Sophie Rhys-Jones.   Edward -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D--=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D Edward Marsh Director, NPC Records http://www.nutcracker-productions.com info@nutcracker-productions.com edmarsh@lineone.net   +44 (0) 191 285 4098 Phone +44 (0) 191 285 2219 Phone/Fax +44 (0) 789 975 8152 Mobile   3 Mayfield Road, Gosforth, Newcastle upon Tyne NE3 4HE England      
(back) Subject: Re: Hymns in Public From: <DudelK@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 16:27:12 EST   In a message dated 2/27/00 2:05:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, pandk@ciaccess.com writes:   << Also looking for movies in which a hymn played a significant rather = than incidental role in the film...such as Jerusalem in Chariots of Fire. >> Another Country. The film takes its title from the 2nd verse of I Vow to = Thee My Country, which figures in the overall theme and plot. (It was also sung = at the wedding and funeral of Princess Diana.)  
(back) Subject: Re: Hymns in Public From: <Quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 13:37:22 -0800   I'm too young to remember QEII's wedding (grin) ...   Try contacting Novello ... I know there was a complete music book = published for the Coronation. I think Walton composed the Te Deum; Vaugh Williams contributed the motet "O Taste And See"; if I'm not mistaken, the = Communion Service was Vaughn Williams' Mass in g minor in English. I'm almost = certain Handel's "Zadok the Priest" was sung. I DO remember there was a full orchestra in rood-loft ... in fact, they had to take out some 32' pipes = from the triforium galleries to make room for everybody (grin).   I don't remember what was sung at Churchill's funeral, other than Battle = Hymn of the Republic.   Princess Diana's funeral was (as far as I can recall):   Burial Sentences - William Croft I Vow to Thee, My Country - Hymns A&M God of Grace and God of Glory - Hymns A&M Prayer of St. Francis - I forget which setting a sacred text to "Londonderry Air" Candle in the Wind - Elton John For Athene - John Tavener   Cheers,   Bud   Pole wrote:   > I would appreciate help in collating the titles of hymns and anthems = used > at the following state occasions: > > 1. QE II wedding and coronation > 2. Winston Churchill funeral > 3. Princess Diana funeral > > > Also looking for movies in which a hymn played a significant rather than > incidental role in the film...such as Jerusalem in Chariots of Fire. > > Thanks, > Don > > ********************* > http://www.pandk.com > ******************** > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Hymns in Public From: <Quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 13:42:15 -0800   "He Who Would Valiant Be" in the Canadian film "IF"   "Children Of The Heavenly King" and "Onward, Christian Soldiers" in "Mrs. Minniver"   "The Church's One Foundation" in "One Foot In Heaven"   "Dies Irae" in "The Devils of Loudun" (grin)   Wasn't "Jerusalem" also in a major scene in "A Clockwork Orange"?   I'm sure I'll think of others ...   Cheers,   Bud   DudelK@aol.com wrote:   > In a message dated 2/27/00 2:05:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, > pandk@ciaccess.com writes: > > << Also looking for movies in which a hymn played a significant rather = than > incidental role in the film...such as Jerusalem in Chariots of Fire. > >> > Another Country. The film takes its title from the 2nd verse of I Vow to = Thee > My Country, which figures in the overall theme and plot. (It was also = sung at > the wedding and funeral of Princess Diana.) > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Pedal to manual couplers From: "Ben Schaffer" <Benjamin.Schaffer@oberlin.edu> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 17:21:28 -0500   >> While nursing a broken left ankle I have come to realize that there are >> many uses of a pedal to manual coupler. >> I have only seen one coupler like this on a very old Wicks practice = organ >> at the University of Wisconsin/Madison. >> Are any present day builders including this stop in new instruments?     Austin is: for example, opus 2761, built in 1995 for Saint John's, West Hartford, CT: it offers a Pedale to Positif coupler proper, as well as a "bass" accessory, where the pedal is included in the lowest note played on the Grand Orgue.   -BAS      
(back) Subject: Re: Hymns in Public From: "Maynard Cuppy" <cuppy.maynard@mcleodusa.net> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 17:29:17 -0600   No one yet has mentioned "Cwm Rhondda" in "How Green Was My Valley," sung = by the Welsh miners. Also, if you want to count them, "In the Garden" in = both "Angel in My Pocket" (by the choir in Andy Griffith's church) and = "Spencer's Mountain." (sung by Maureen O'Hara). Maynard   Pole wrote:   > I would appreciate help in collating the titles of hymns and anthems = used > at the following state occasions: > > 1. QE II wedding and coronation > 2. Winston Churchill funeral > 3. Princess Diana funeral > > > Also looking for movies in which a hymn played a significant rather than > incidental role in the film...such as Jerusalem in Chariots of Fire. > > Thanks, > Don > > ********************* > http://www.pandk.com > ******************** > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: facades, etc. From: "Charles Wertalik" <wertzl@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 22:13:12 -0500   Bud, the Dutch word for "great" organ is "hoofdwerk." (You've probably remembered it by now.)   Yours for nit-picking, Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: <Quilisma@socal.rr.com> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2000 1:10 AM Subject: facades, etc.     > Facades - some speak, some don't, some are a mixture of speaking and > non-speaking pipes. In a true classic organ (of whatever century) the > Principal stop upon which the division is based is placed on the front > of that division's "house" in the organ-case ... in a large organ, this > would give you: > > Pedal > > 32' Principal - usually divided into C and C# sides in the two pedal > "towers" on either side of the case > > Great/Grand Orgue/Hauptwerk/I forget the Dutch (grin)/Organo Principale >            
(back) Subject: Re: Hymns in Public From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 22:03:40 -0500   Wasn't "Nearer My God To Thee" in the 1950's movie about the Titanic with Clifton Webb? The band on the aft deck played it as the ship was going down bow-first.      
(back) Subject: Re: BWV705 and more From: "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 23:49:24 -0500 (EST)   Since Bub (the dinosaur) metioned the BVD numbers, I think it would be helpful to use (are you sitting down?) English titles (too).   bruce cornely ~:~:~ rohrschok8@webtv.net gainesville, florida   http://community.webtv.net/cremona84000/ALLHAILTHEPOWERand http://community.webtv.net/hydrant/TheBeaglesNest http://community.webtv.net/rohrschok8/OrganMusicLibrary    
(back) Subject: Re: Many thanks... From: "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 23:56:32 -0500 (EST)   Chuck, Sometimes facades can be really misleading. I worked on a 1908 Moller tracker and the facade contained 1-17 of the 8 Open Diapason, 1-12 of the Dulciana and 12 dummies.   The 3m Visser-Rowland at Holy Trinity Gainesville FL has matching facades in cases on either side of the chancel. All of the pipes appear to be of the same rank; however, the north case choir facade is the 8 Praestant from the Great, the north case nave facade is the 8 Praestant from the Positiv. The south case nave facade is the Octaafbass 8 from the Pedal and the south case choir facade is 1-17 of the Great Bourdon 16, plus some dummies. It is really amazing. What is really fascinating is to get behind the facade and see the forced pipe lengths!   bruce cornely ~:~:~ rohrschok8@webtv.net gainesville, florida   http://community.webtv.net/cremona84000/ALLHAILTHEPOWERand http://community.webtv.net/hydrant/TheBeaglesNest http://community.webtv.net/rohrschok8/OrganMusicLibrary    
(back) Subject: Re: facades, etc. From: "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 00:00:59 -0500 (EST)   Nice explanation (for a dinosaur... hehehehe). The Dutch for Great is Hoofdwerk. The organ at Holy Trininty Gnv is "in dutch". It took a while to get used to all of the double vowels : Octaaf, Nachthoorn, etc. I love the dutch sound hoowever.   bruce cornely ~:~:~ rohrschok8@webtv.net gainesville, florida   http://community.webtv.net/cremona84000/ALLHAILTHEPOWERand http://community.webtv.net/hydrant/TheBeaglesNest http://community.webtv.net/rohrschok8/OrganMusicLibrary    
(back) Subject: Re: BWV705 and more From: <Quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 21:37:43 -0800   I try to most of the time, but sometimes I can't remember the ENGLISH (grin) ... Senior Moments ABOUND.   Cheers,   Bud   bruce cornely wrote:   > Since Bub (the dinosaur) metioned the BVD numbers, I think it would be > helpful to use (are you sitting down?) English titles (too). > > bruce cornely ~:~:~ rohrschok8@webtv.net gainesville, florida > > http://community.webtv.net/cremona84000/ALLHAILTHEPOWERand > http://community.webtv.net/hydrant/TheBeaglesNest > http://community.webtv.net/rohrschok8/OrganMusicLibrary > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: BWV705 again - with translation! From: "Mark Harris" <M.Harris@Admin.lon.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 09:52:30 GMT   Thanks for your comments, pipechatters. The more I learn, the more I realise how little I know :-)   The translation of "Durch Adams Fall" in the Lutheran Hymnal is "All mankind fell in Adam's fall". This can be found at   http://www.ctsfw.edu/etext/loy/hymns/mankind.tlh   Mark =3D=3D=3D=3D