PipeChat Digest #1212 - Monday, January 3, 2000
 
Publishers of my program
  by "Hans-Dieter Karras" <hans@hdkarras.de>
possible new members...
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
RE: possible new members...
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
Mass Settings
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Re: Mass Settings
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Re: Mass Settings
  by "Bud" <Quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Mass Settings
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
Re: Mass Settings
  by "Bud" <Quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Mass Settings
  by <ManderUSA@aol.com>
 



(back) Subject: Publishers of my program From: "Hans-Dieter Karras" <hans@hdkarras.de> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 18:58:02 +0100   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0026_01BF5553.4BAAE240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Dear members of the list,   special thanks for all, that wish me success for the new years concert. The concert was splendid and a great success, for german relations also lots of people in the church to listen that program.   Pat and some others ask me for publishers of couple pieces from that =3D program, here is it:   Sigfrid Karg-Elert: Bach-Transkriptions, Edition Breitkopf & Haertel, =3D Wiesbaden, 8532 Sigfrid Karg-Elert: Haendel-Transkriptions, Edition Breitkopf & Haertel, = =3D Wiesbaden, 8533   Ellinor von der Heyde-Dohrn: Selected Preludes et Fugues from "Well =3D tempered Clavier", Moeseler, Wolfenbuettel Volume 1 M.19.014, Volume 2 M.19.015   Patrick Williams: Bach Air for g string, in: The Organists Wedding =3D Album, Volume 2, Cramer Music, London, C.M.Ltd.2166   Hans-Dieter Karras: Brandenburg Concertos 1,2,3,4,6 for organ, Prospect = =3D Music Publisher, Helmstedt, in preparation http://www.prospect-he.de   Thank you for all attention.   Hans-Dieter Karras Konzertorganist/Komponist http://www.hdkarras.de   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0026_01BF5553.4BAAE240 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2014.210" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Dear members of the = list,</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>special thanks for all, that wish me = =3D success for=3D20 the new years concert.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>The concert was splendid and a great = =3D success, for=3D20 german relations</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>also lots of people in the church to = =3D listen that=3D20 program.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Pat and some others ask me for =3D publishers of couple=3D20 pieces from that program,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>here is it:</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Sigfrid Karg-Elert: =3D Bach-Transkriptions, Edition=3D20 Breitkopf &amp; Haertel, Wiesbaden, 8532</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><FONT face=3D3DArial = size=3D3D2>Sigfrid =3D Karg-Elert:=3D20 Haendel-Transkriptions, Edition Breitkopf &amp; Haertel, Wiesbaden,=3D20 8533</FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Ellinor von der Heyde-Dohrn: Selected = =3D Preludes et=3D20 Fugues from "Well tempered Clavier", Moeseler, =3D Wolfenbuettel</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Volume 1 M.19.014, Volume 2 =3D M.19.015</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Patrick Williams: Bach Air for g =3D string, in: The=3D20 Organists Wedding Album, Volume 2, Cramer Music, London,=3D20 C.M.Ltd.2166</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Hans-Dieter Karras: Brandenburg =3D Concertos 1,2,3,4,6=3D20 for organ, Prospect Music Publisher, Helmstedt, in =3D preparation</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://www.prospect-he.de">http://www.prospect-he.de</A></FONT></= =3D DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Thank you for all =3D attention.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Hans-Dieter=3D20 Karras<BR>Konzertorganist/Komponist<BR><A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://www.hdkarras.de">http://www.hdkarras.de</A></FONT></DIV></= =3D BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0026_01BF5553.4BAAE240--    
(back) Subject: possible new members... From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 14:43:07 EST   Greetings,   here's a list of my organist-friends who attended my concert who have internet access in their homes.   Rachel Laurin Philip Crozier Bernard & Mireille Lagac=E9 Pierre Grandmaison Philips Motley Helen Panneton Helen Dugal Raymond Daveluy Helen Rainville Stephane Hunneault Bertha Dorval Gerald Wheeler John Grew   Who knows if any of them'll join the lists. The ones who are french-speaking probably won't join, but again, who knows. I for one would =   like to see some of these people on the lists. I'll keep reminding them...................   Carlo ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com    
(back) Subject: RE: possible new members... From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 13:58:44 -0600   Carlo:   A veritable who's who of Montreal organists! Congratulations, and happy = new year.   Peter    
(back) Subject: Mass Settings From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 15:40:10 EST   Since it seems that many congregations, musicians and clergy seem content = to do nothing much beyond the "Mass of Creation" in recent years (which seem like DECADES as a result) I am curious what mass settings other parishes = and musicians are using.   At the National Shrine "Mass of Creation" was a staple, so to speak. And = it was seen as rather warn out because it had been do for SO LONG without any =   breaks.   We now sing Proulx's "Community Mass" during Ordinary Time and the "New Plainsong Mass' of David Hurd during Advent/Christmas/Epiphany and Lent. = We are also going to begin learning the "St. Andrew's Mass" by Canon John McCreary in the very near future. In addition, a mass in honor of St. Therese of Lisieux and the National Shrine of the Little Flower is = currently being composed.   Looking forward to some new ideas.   Scott F. Foppiano, Director of Music and Liturgical Coordination National Shrine of the Little Flower, Royal Oak, Michigan  
(back) Subject: Re: Mass Settings From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 18:27:50 EST   Scott,   here in Montreal, the official mass of the Diocese is The Celtic Mass by Finton O'Connor & Christopher Walker. Some parishes use The Mass = of Rememberance by Marty Haugen, some use The Mass of the Bells by Alexander Peloquin, and some still use the dredded Mass of Creation (yuck). At my church we use the Assembly Mass by Thomas Porter (GIA). I love it, except for the 'gloria', in which case I use "The Melodic Gloria" by James Chipponis (GIA).   Carlo ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Mass Settings From: "Bud" <Quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 16:00:05 -0800   Merbecke, Willan, Oldroyd and Mass IX ... but introducing the Oldroyd = seems to have broken the back of the Rector's resistance to "choral" Masses (though = the congregation sings along right handily when it's low enough for them).   You might join RSCM (if you're not already a member) and check out some of = the English Anglican composers' Mass settings for the ICEL text ... they tend = to write more sophisticated stuff, even if the congregation is involved. I = think Francis Jackson has a nice Setting for the ICEL text ...   I have an adaptation of Kenneth Leighton's Communion Service in D for the = common text, but it's quite dissonant ... if I can locate it, I'll be happy to = send you a copy.     * * * * * * * * * * *   LOW Sunday at St. Matthew's ... 3 sopranos, 1 alto, 1 tenor and 1 bass = (me) ... everybody else was either sick or out of town. So we sang The Dreaded Blue = Book Propers (grin).   This funeral on Tuesday is about to drive me batty ... I KNOW people get = crazy at times like this, so I'm being nice, but I told the Rector "NO MORE = CHANGES" .... I've spent a WEEK on the booklet; I was at church at 5 a.m. this = morning to do my SUNDAY work because I'd had to neglect it all week to get the = funeral book out; the son showed up in the middle of choir warmup this morning wanting = MORE changes. I referred him to the Rector. I'm happy to accommodate folks as = to solos, anthems, hymns, etc. within reason, but we aren't about to change = the basic structure of the LITURGY just because nobody in the family has been = inside a church in decades, and that seems to be the situation here. The deceased = had a connection of sorts to the parish ... nobody else seems to.   Cheers,   A VERY Tired Bud   ScottFop@aol.com wrote:   > Since it seems that many congregations, musicians and clergy seem = content to > do nothing much beyond the "Mass of Creation" in recent years (which = seem > like DECADES as a result) I am curious what mass settings other parishes = and > musicians are using. >    
(back) Subject: Re: Mass Settings From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 19:48:49 -0600   Is the Willan mass being used extensively nowadays? Just wondering. I really enjoy it, but right now have no strong singers in the congregation, so if it's used it becomes a series of organ solos. In fact, my singer situation is so bad right now I have asked the priest to consider discontinuing Anglican chant for the gradual - his singing is not good at all, I have no strong singers, and it has become somewhat of a joke. I'm quite distressed about this, but am not sure what to do if they will not sing.   Any suggestions re mass settings or gradual settings?   Glenda Sutton      
(back) Subject: Re: Mass Settings From: "Bud" <Quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 19:44:51 -0800   Willan and Merbecke are still used in places that either (1) use the old Prayer Book or (2) do Rite One out of the new book. My people can sing = Willan without a choir, but you might want to try Merbecke instead.   Whenever I've wanted our people to learn something, I've had = congregational rehearsals ... either before Mass, or directly before the Offertory; I = have a pretty good rapport with the ladies' guilds, so I traipse around to their meetings and practice with them; ditto the seminarians (who constitute = most of the MEN in the parish who can [or WILL] sing) ... I have them for an hour every Wednesday after Evensong. THEY had never sung EITHER when I first = came to St. Matthew's.   A cracking good sermon from the pulpit about "Singing In God's Ear" never hurts either ...   It might be well to start fresh with something absolutely new, like one of = the other Communion Services in the Hymnal 1940 Supplement, or the "Missa Parochialis" by Oldroyd ... I think that's still in print ... if not, I'll = be happy to lend you a copy. If we hadn't gotten into "The Mass of the Quiet Hour" (the 3rd Communion Service in the back of the 1940), we were going = to learn "Missa Parochialis" next. We still may, for the summer.   If you really CAN'T raise up singers, you might consider hiring a cantor = who could lead the singing with a minimum of (or NO) arm-waving.   If your priest has the humility to learn, TEACH him to sing. Father = Scarlett had never sung a NOTE when I came to St. Matthew's, but he WANTED to learn = to sing High Mass, since it sounded kind of strange for the CHOIR to be able = to do everything, and then have SAID collects, preface, etc. from the Altar. = So I taught him ... by rote, mostly ... I even ACCOMPANIED the Prefaces until = he felt comfortable with them. I wrote out the Collects for him in Gregorian notation for awhile, until he connected what he saw with the diacritical = marks in the Altar Missal. Now he can more-or-less do it by sight, unless it's a Collect with an unusual structure. He still sings Armenian quarter-tones = in the Prefaces occasionally, but nobody minds. And he learned the EXSULTET, = God bless him!   But it took a COMMITMENT on his part to practice every week, every week, = every week for at least an hour ... that went on for the better part of a year.   As to what to use for the Gradual: what do you use NOW?   I wrote out the Gradual Psalms, verse by verse (melody line only for the congregation, SATB for the choir if it was Anglican chant, melody line = only if it was Gregorian chant) for about a year; NOW the congregation can sing = from just the pointed text, as long as the choir is there to lead them; they = even did it by themselves over the summer when the choir was off ... in fact, = they did it BETTER when the choir was off ... when the choir's in residence, = they tend to leave the chanting to them. The choir is spoiled ... they CAN sing from pointing, but they'd rather have it written out.   People sing what they WANT to sing ... even I was amazed at the volume of sound on the Christmas carols, even some of the less-familiar ones ... but they had to have LEARNED those at SOME point; if they can learn those, = they can learn other things.   Think about it ... the average Anglican congregation can manage Sine = nomine or St. Patrick's Breastplate; Sine nomine has only displaced the old Barnby = tune since the 1940 Hymnal came out; of course, among Anglo-Catholics, St. Patrick's was THE hymn for ordinations of priests and consecrations of bishops; but neither is particularly EASY when compared to the likes of = St. Catherine or Aurelia.   I think in the last analysis it just takes digging in and doing it. The support of the priest is absolutely crucial. I've had small parishes = WITHOUT a choir who could sing everything the choir WOULD have sung (Propers, = Ordinary, etc.); I've also had RC parishes who'd never sung ANYTHING who ended up = being able to sing any text to any tune of the matching meter, but in that case = it took eight YEARS of weekly congregational rehearsals before EVERY Mass, Sundays AND weekdays.   Let me know if you need any materials ... I'll be glad to help.   Cheers,   Bud   Glenda wrote:   > Is the Willan mass being used extensively nowadays? Just wondering. I > really enjoy it, but right now have no strong singers in the = congregation, > so if it's used it becomes a series of organ solos. In fact, my singer > situation is so bad right now I have asked the priest to consider > discontinuing Anglican chant for the gradual - his singing is not good = at > all, I have no strong singers, and it has become somewhat of a joke. = I'm > quite distressed about this, but am not sure what to do if they will not > sing. > > Any suggestions re mass settings or gradual settings? > > Glenda Sutton > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Mass Settings From: <ManderUSA@aol.com> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 23:02:30 EST   In a message dated 1/2/00 8:49:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com writes:   << Is the Willan mass being used extensively nowadays? >>   Funny you should ask. I have always considered that Mass a little masterpiece, and have regretted that it (along with Merbecke) has = essentially died at the hand of Rite Two Eucharist, which is what we always do at our main service. Three Christmasses ago, I suggested to the rector that we do =   the Willan Gloria as an entrance canticle on Christmas Eve, both because = it is a great sing, but also because it was known and loved by many in the congregation. He took that a step further, and suggested we do it on the Sunday just before Advent as a reminder of it, so that it would be = stronger at Christmas. Then, he suggested continuing to sing it during the Epiphany =   season. I did up some fancy brass parts for our quartet, and it has been a =   great hit since.   So be it,   Malcolm Wechsler www.mander-organs.com