PipeChat Digest #1213 - Monday, January 3, 2000
 
Virgil and Mike Douglas
  by "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com>
Max Drischner
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Re: Virgil and Mike Douglas
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Virgil Fox and young kids
  by "antoni scott" <ascott@epix.net>
Re: Favorite Christmas Organ Pieces
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: Favorite Christmas Organ Pieces
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: Virgil Fox and young kids
  by <CHERCAPA@aol.com>
Dulciana Cornet
  by "Hugh Drogemuller" <lon.hdrogemuller@wwdc.com>
Re: Max Drischner
  by "Dan Miller" <dmiller@rodgers.rain.com>
RE: Mass Settings
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
Mass setting
  by "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com>
Re: Mass Settings
  by "j nathan" <jnatpat@sunsix.infi.net>
Re: Dulciana Cornet
  by "Bud" <Quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: new stuff
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: Dulciana Cornet
  by "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net>
Re: Dulciana Cornet
  by "Hugh Drogemuller" <lon.hdrogemuller@wwdc.com>
Re: Mass Settings
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Re: Favorite Christmas Organ Pieces
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Fw: new stuff
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Simpson's Episode
  by "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu>
Re: Dulciana Cornet
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: Dulciana Cornet
  by "Bud" <Quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Mass Settings
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
Re: Mass Settings
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
 



(back) Subject: Virgil and Mike Douglas From: "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 02:22:30 -0800 (PST)   Virgil performed at least twice on Mike Douglas, I believe. I saw him on that show. He also appeared on the old David Frost show (I rememeber seeing that one, too, in the 70's). He may have also been on Dick Cavette's program. Virgil had the most unique brand of charisma. I saw him perform with the light show in front of 7,000 people. Screaming standing ovations and 8 encores. Anyone who criticizes Virgil would be hard-pressed to emulate his success and his contribution for bringing millions of people to our instrument. The light show, absolutely coordinated with music, was fabulous! Virgil Fox and E. Power Biggs were the only organists to be, literally, household names.   --- Carlo Pietroniro <concert_organist@hotmail.com> wrote: > Greetings all, > > I was watching the Mike Douglas show > last night and you'll never > guess what they played. The clip of Liberace and > Virgil Fox playing "Tea For > Two"!!! It was great! Liberace was on a grand piano > and they had Virgil on a > Rodgers organ, on a platform on wheels. I've never > seen an actual live video > of Virgil until now. At one point Liberace stopped > playing and broke into a > dance while Virgil kept playing. THANK GOD I had > decided earlier to record > the show. This is a keeper!!! The show was dated > 1973. Was Virgil Fox the > only organist ever to appear on a show like that? I > know Diane Bish doesn't > make it a habit to pop in on Oprah or Rosie! They > should invite > internationally renowned musicians to appear on talk > shows. It might boost > their ratings. I for one would love to see Oprah > interview someone like > Diane Bish or Carlo Curly. Maybe one day........ > > Carlo > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at > http://www.hotmail.com > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Max Drischner From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 05:27:33 EST   anyone out there able to translate the words of "O Run Ye Shepherds" as = well as some of his other titles? I'm planning a concert of all Max Drischner pieces and I need the english titles for all his compositions. Thanks.   Carlo ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Virgil and Mike Douglas From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 07:29:43 -0500   I have two albums of Fox playing at Filmore that I bought back in the 70s. Cover pix show a very classy light show mit Der Orgelmeister playing his Rodgers 'Black Beauty'.   Wouldn't it be nice if kids today could be turned on like they were then?!   Rick      
(back) Subject: Virgil Fox and young kids From: "antoni scott" <ascott@epix.net> Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 09:13:48 -0500   Virgil Fox did wonders to introduce the organ to masses of kids that would otherwise have not even bothered listening to "THE ORGAN". I have passionate about the organ most of my life, so it was hard for me to understand why others didn't feel the same way. Although the "conservative" organ community sneered when Fox introduced his "Black Beauty" with "Joe's Lights", I was present at one of his many concerts ( The Philmore East ), and the facts speak for themselves. Thousands of cheering kids pounding their feet in time to the "Gigue" and others, was a sight to behold. Most concert goers (like myself) were more reserved and kept my inner excitement to myself, but enjoyed it the same, nonetheless. Fox had a following like no other organist of the time. He knew how to "turn kids on".   Fox transcended the "conservative" barrier and coupled the introduction of classical organ music with a vehicle (a psychedelic light show) that was sure to appeal to those that would never have listened to "classical organ music". Since I was always an organ fan, I didn't need to have its introduction "sugar-coated", but I asked most of my friends at the time why they didn't like organ music. Most thought that the music was not interesting enough, and actually thought that Bach's D minor Toccata was the "Theme from 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea". For some inexplicable reason, the classical pipe organ did not rank high among the young. When I was a teenager I used to get weird looks when I said I played the organ, as if it weren't "Macho" enough or something, instead of a "Rock" guitar. I don't know.   Fox was equally at home at Riverside Church as he was at one of his "Black Beauty" concerts ,talking to the kids. My impression was that most of them were in shock that the classical organ was so exciting to hear. The young kids today are more and more drawn to "music" (I hate to use that word in this context), that is just noise superimposed onto a series of "explicit lyrics" and pounding basses that can be heard two blocks away !!! I was amused at a CD that advertised ( and it sold because of this ) that the first track was 30 seconds of silence. Can you imagine selling an organ CD by saying that the first track was silence !!! You have to hand it to the advertising agencies.   Virgil, where are you, when we need you ? Who is the next "Virgil" ?     Antoni Scott  
(back) Subject: Re: Favorite Christmas Organ Pieces From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 11:10:27 -0500   >On Wed, 26 Dec 2001 07:44:16 -0500 "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> writes: >> I've never played for Christmas, but I do enjoy hearing >> George Wright and Virgil Fox playing their respective >> "Christmas Albums" on vinyl. >> >> I've played these records for years and am surprised they still >> track! >> >> I never get tired of hearing these two virtuosos tickling >> the ivories and pulling stops. >> >> Rick >> >Hey! > >Is the Fox album the one recorded at - I think - St Paul the Apostle in >NYC? The church with the aluminium roof/ceiling?   I believe that is the one. The album was reissued on a CD (Bainbridge, I think) Good thing as it became one of my favorite LP also.   Interesting aside: The rendition of the "Virgin Slumber Song" typically gave me the willies, it was so beautiful. This year we decided to incorporate the piece in our Christmas Show at the Bardavon Theatre in Poughkeepsie, NY. A very talented local soprano, Joanne Fenton, was scheduled to do this. She got bronchitis a week before the show!! However we had a boy soprano schedule to do "O Holy Night". He is one of her students. She encouraged him to do it instead. What A Master stroke! After he sang the last note there was a prolonged hush, and after the audience collected itself rose to their feet in a standing ovation. Funny how things work out sometimes.... Yes and this was done with a Wurlitzer. Carl Hackert was our featured = organist.   > >Even though I'm a Jew, I must admit that the sound of that organ is >>really< something else! I haven't heard George Wright's; is it still in >print? My mother was a fan of Ken Griffin. When I was a kid, we had some >45s of his Christmas music on the Mighty Hammond. Yes even that one was re-issued on CD. Also some of his other recordings.   Believe it or not, >that's what got me interested in organ music. Plus the fact that Ken >Griffin wasn't exactly a mud fence. Nice picture of him on the album >cover. That's funny, I sort of got started there too. It was not until later that I realized how always EXCEEDINGLY simplistic his playing was, yet he managed to do a TON of albums! I used his records to test out newly build speakers (in my early = audiophile days) Loved that Hammond bass line, for that purpose.   After I became more educated, especially with regards to theatre playing, did i understand that he stuck to those tight rythms so typically British, as well as what came from his roller rink experience.   Finally, I once obtained an album of Ken alledgedly playing a theater pipe organ. It was on the Rondolette label I think. The vinyl quality was bad and I am not sure if it was Griffin. "Doll Dance" as one of the pieces on it. The playing was quite nice. Can any one shed any light on this?   John V      
(back) Subject: Re: Favorite Christmas Organ Pieces From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 11:13:27 -0500   >The Fox Christmas album I have was recorded at St. John The Divine in = NYC. >The cover is an artisis' rendition of snow and a blue starry night. >capabilities of GW and his Wurli are not to be ignored. > >Alas, both albums are out of print. One may want to haunt used record = shops >and hope for the best. > >Rick   No No!   Unless the CD version is no longer available. I'm sure it's Bainbridge, with the same cover.   John V      
(back) Subject: Re: Virgil Fox and young kids From: <CHERCAPA@aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 10:10:10 EST   Dear Antoni, Right on. Paul  
(back) Subject: Dulciana Cornet From: "Hugh Drogemuller" <lon.hdrogemuller@wwdc.com> Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 10:19:40 -0500   Have any on the list had experience with this stop or knowledge of where a good example is still in use? I would appreciate all and any comments.   Thanks, HD    
(back) Subject: Re: Max Drischner From: "Dan Miller" <dmiller@rodgers.rain.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 07:36:34 PST       > anyone out there able to translate the words of "O Run Ye Shepherds" as = well as > some of his other titles? I'm planning a concert of all Max Drischner = pieces and > I need the english titles for all his compositions. Thanks. > > Carlo   Here's a translation of "O laufet, ihr Hirten" from The International Book = of Christmas Carols (p 154):   1. Come running, you shepherds, as fast as you can, With flutes and with bagpipes, and with your whole clan. We're going to see, In Bethlehem's stall, The Child whom the angels announced to us all.   2. This beautiful Infant puts angels to shame! Beside Him, shy Joseph is breathing His name. And Mary is there - so sweet, but so pale! My heart fills with pity to see her so frail.   3. My neighbors, we're making a cradle for Him, To tuck Him in snug from the night, cold and grim. Loo, loo, lovely Babe; loo, loo - go to sleep. O dear little Jesus, loo, loo - go to sleep.   original lyrics: traditional German Music: Traditional Silesian Carol     Dan Miller dmiller@rodgers.rain.com  
(back) Subject: RE: Mass Settings From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 09:44:06 -0600   Glenda:   We use the Willan regularly, along with an Anglican-chant psalm, at our = Rite I 11:00 AM service. That's the service served by the Cathedral Choir, though several of its [paid] members also sing at the Rite II 9:00 AM service along with the Parish Choir.   I hope my singing at your service later this month isn't going to drive people out the door....   Peter    
(back) Subject: Mass setting From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 10:57:22 -0500   In the Roman Catholic church where I am Music Director, I have been using the Owen Alstott Heritage Mass settings right through, Gloria, Sanctus, Memorial Acclamations, and Agnus Dei. We also sing the "Lord's Prayer" in chant and the Latin Kyrie during lent. Oregon Catholic Press has the Alstott Mass settings. They are very singable. liturgy@ocp.org I change these settings about three times a year, will next have them = learn the Gloria from "Mass in Honor of Pope Paul VI" which I picked up from another church where I formerly was organist. They (choir and congregation) already know about four other Mass settings. As a non-catholic, I am amazed at the number of old "Protestant" hymns which are in the catholic hymnals, from "A Mighty Fortress" to "There is a Balm in Gilead"!   Judy Ollikkala  
(back) Subject: Re: Mass Settings From: "j nathan" <jnatpat@sunsix.infi.net> Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 10:40:45 -0600   Howdy... At St. Peter's of the Lakes Episcopal we use the Mass in E by Jeffery Smith. Just curious if anyone else in here uses that setting and what their congregation thinks.   J Nathan Patton  
(back) Subject: Re: Dulciana Cornet From: "Bud" <Quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 09:02:17 -0800   Some 19th century American builders built pretty hefty ones ... = approaching a French Petit Cornet in some cases (Hook & Hastings) ... almost always = found in the Swell, where it might or might not be the only compound stop. Useful = for coloring the Oboe or the Vox Humana, but seldom strong enough to make a = real Jeu de Tierce; the quieter ones could even be used with the 8' Salicional = and 4' Violina or Fugara to make a shimmering String Choir effect (with box = closed and tremulant, of course [grin] ). They got softer after the turn of the century (Skinner, Austin, others) ... and less useful. Composition: 2 2/3 = - 2 - 1 3/5 (usually), medium to narrow-scale pipes. Also called "Dolce = Cornet".   In quieter earlier times, I guess there was more of a place for stops like = the Dulciana Cornet and the Aeoline ... wonder what they USED them for?   Cheers,   Bud   Hugh Drogemuller wrote:   > Have any on the list had experience with this stop or knowledge of where = a > good example is still in use? I would appreciate all and any comments. > > Thanks, > HD > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: new stuff From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 14:20:37 -0500   >Hi Listers... Just got in the mail from OHS a cd of the last recording = of >the Chicago Stadium Barton. Recorded live at the 1993 ATOS convention = there. >Frank Pellico plays (and sings...arrrgg), and the old girl (the Barton) >still shakes the rafters. Alas, no more.......   Have the same CD. The tile is "My Vision" after a composition by Al Melgard. So how come that's not on the CD? I know it was played during the convention. Seems it should be included especially with that cover title.   Only once had a chance to hear it live. Was stationed in the Navy at = nearby Great Lakes. I managed to sneak up to the console during an ice show. I = was in uniform. Al Melgard spotted us and went into a rousing rendition of "Anchors away".   Wished some one would re-issue the Audio Fidelity LPs just for history's sake. Wonder who has the masters?   John V      
(back) Subject: Re: Dulciana Cornet From: "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 15:08:10 -0500 (EST)   >In quieter earlier times, I guess there was > more of a place for stops like the Dulciana > Cornet and the Aeoline ... wonder what they > USED them for? I used to play a Pilcher originally build in 1908 and rebuilt/enlarged in 1927. I don't know from which incarnation the Dolce Cornet hails, but it is very quiet. It was useful for gentle coloring of a flute for solo purposes. It could also be used to brighten the strings and give them more pungence. Surprisingly, adding the Dolce Cornet to the diapason chorus gave a wonderful light reediness. Once experimentation with this stop has been done on its own terms and used to function in the best ways it can, I think the intriguing value of the Dolce Cornet can be realized.   bruce cornely ~:~:~ rohrschok8@webtv.net gainesville, florida    
(back) Subject: Re: Dulciana Cornet From: "Hugh Drogemuller" <lon.hdrogemuller@wwdc.com> Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 15:34:58 -0500   At 15:08 03/01/2000 -0500, Bud wrote: >>In quieter earlier times, I guess there was >> more of a place for stops like the Dulciana >> Cornet and the Aeoline ... wonder what they >> USED them for? Bruce responded. >I used to play a Pilcher originally build in 1908 and rebuilt/enlarged >in 1927. I don't know from which incarnation the Dolce Cornet hails, >but it is very quiet. It was useful for gentle coloring of a flute for >solo purposes. It could also be used to brighten the strings and give >them more pungence. Surprisingly, adding the Dolce Cornet to the >diapason chorus gave a wonderful light reediness. Once >experimentation with this stop has been done on its own terms and used >to function in the best ways it can, I think the intriguing value of the >Dolce Cornet can be realized. (SNIP)   I don't believe the Dolce Cornet and the Dulciana Cornet are one and the same. Audsley discusses both and ascribes different characteristics to each. He warns of the Dulciana being voiced with too much colour and making it a quasi string-toned stop. Doing some searching on the 'net I find examples of the Dulciana Cornet showing up on the H&H in Durham Cathedral and in a Lewis instrument in Glasgow, I believe it was.Anyone heard these stops?   HD      
(back) Subject: Re: Mass Settings From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 16:43:00 EST   In a message dated 1/3/00 11:43:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, jnatpat@sunsix.infi.net writes:   << At St. Peter's of the Lakes Episcopal we use the Mass in E by Jeffery Smith. Just curious if anyone else in here uses that setting and what their congregation thinks. >>   YES! That's the one I forgot- that is an ELEGANT choice for a mass = setting!   Scott Foppiano  
(back) Subject: Re: Favorite Christmas Organ Pieces From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 17:46:25 -0500   Hi John... I don't know if GW's 'Merry Christmas' album is still in = print or not. My organ teacher gave me a copy waaaaaaaaay back in the 60s = because I was such a good student (HA!)...and he saw potential (no HA!).   GW made 'Merry Christmas' on "his" studio Wurli in Pasadena. Remarkable instrument at the hands of a remarkable talent!   Shalom Rick      
(back) Subject: Fw: new stuff From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 18:01:24 -0500   John... Glad you had a chance to sneak up to the console and see it -in uniform, yet!! Al was always good about recognizing people and opportunities you describe- with Anchors Aweigh. You would THINK ' My Vision ' would be included in the CD, but perhaps Frank decided to leave that piece alone in memory to Al. Sonja Hennie (sp?) skated to that piece that Al wrote just for her. I have all the Audio Fidelity 33rpm recordings of Al and "Ma Barton" shaking dust out of the rafters and blowing up microphones.   Rick   ----- Original Message ----- From: John Vanderlee <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2000 2:20 PM Subject: Re: new stuff     > >Hi Listers... Just got in the mail from OHS a cd of the last = recording of > >the Chicago Stadium Barton. Recorded live at the 1993 ATOS convention there. > >Frank Pellico plays (and sings...arrrgg), and the old girl (the Barton) > >still shakes the rafters. Alas, no more....... > > Have the same CD. The tile is "My Vision" after a composition by Al > Melgard. So how come that's not on the CD? I know it was played during = the > convention. Seems it should be included especially with that cover = title. > > Only once had a chance to hear it live. Was stationed in the Navy at nearby > Great Lakes. I managed to sneak up to the console during an ice show. I was > in uniform. Al Melgard spotted us and went into a rousing rendition of > "Anchors away". > > Wished some one would re-issue the Audio Fidelity LPs just for history's > sake. Wonder who has the masters? > > John V > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Simpson's Episode From: "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 18:04:56 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0018_01BF5615.0AAEE800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   I just turned the Simpson's on and got the "In the Garden of Eden" =3D episode. I don't remember ever seeing beyond that, but as punishment, Bart and Milhouse =3D have=3D20 to clean out the organ pipes.....doh!=3D20   And it didn't even -sound- like it had pipes....   Just thought I'd share.=3D20   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0018_01BF5615.0AAEE800 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2314.1000" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#d8d8d8> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>I just turned the Simpson's on and got the "In the = =3D Garden of=3D20 Eden" episode. I don't</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>remember ever seeing beyond that, but as punishment, = =3D Bart and=3D20 Milhouse have </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>to clean out the organ pipes.....doh! </FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>And it didn't even -sound- like it had =3D pipes....</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Just thought I'd share. </FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0018_01BF5615.0AAEE800--    
(back) Subject: Re: Dulciana Cornet From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 17:10:24 -0600   >I don't believe the Dolce Cornet and the Dulciana Cornet are one and the >same. Audsley discusses both and ascribes different characteristics to >each. He warns of the Dulciana being voiced with too much colour and >making it a quasi string-toned stop. Doing some searching on the 'net I >find examples of the Dulciana Cornet showing up on the H&H in Durham >Cathedral and in a Lewis instrument in Glasgow, I believe it was.Anyone >heard these stops?   Unfortunately Audsley's "Ideal" descriptions and what was the case many times don't always see eye-to-eye. From those that I have run across both of these stops are fairly much the same with the Dulciana version usually a bit softer.   If is a shame that Dolce Cornets are not built today for the most part, I haven't seen one speced on a new instrument, since I find they have many uses. I have one that is going to be the Mixture on the Great Organ in my home instrument - just right for a somewhat small and dead environment where a "normal" would be too screechy.   David    
(back) Subject: Re: Dulciana Cornet From: "Bud" <Quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 15:40:20 -0800         > I don't believe the Dolce Cornet and the Dulciana Cornet are one and the > same. Audsley discusses both and ascribes different characteristics to > each. He warns of the Dulciana being voiced with too much colour and > making it a quasi string-toned stop. Doing some searching on the 'net I > find examples of the Dulciana Cornet showing up on the H&H in Durham > Cathedral and in a Lewis instrument in Glasgow, I believe it was.Anyone > heard these stops? > > HD >   You have to be careful with Audsley ... he was a law unto himself (grin).   I've heard examples of both ... the 1899 H & H in Old St. Paul's, = Cincinnati (now gone ... sigh) was definitely on the LOUD end; it was called "Dolce Cornet". Old Skinners and Austins around Cleveland used the two names interchangeably ... they DID tend to be softer and more stringy, but not across the board. Sometimes they were just called "Cornet" with no = qualifier.   A lot of early Holtkamps in Cleveland had tierce CHORUS mixtures, but = THAT'S another story (grin) ...   I agree with Brewz that they CAN be useful, but definitely a "luxury" stop for a large organ. I'm also fond of the Gemshorn unit "decomposed" cornets that appeared on some Anglican and RC organs for awhile ... the 8-4 was perfect for accompanying the Chant, and the full cornet was a nice alternative soft solo stop, even if the partials WERE outta tune (grin).   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: Mass Settings From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 19:12:07 -0600   My dear Peter, I'm glad to have you as a "joyful noise" anytime.   Glenda   ----- Original Message ----- From: Storandt, Peter <pstorandt@okcu.edu> To: 'PipeChat' <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2000 9:44 AM Subject: RE: Mass Settings     > Glenda: > > We use the Willan regularly, along with an Anglican-chant psalm, at our Rite > I 11:00 AM service. That's the service served by the Cathedral Choir, > though several of its [paid] members also sing at the Rite II 9:00 AM > service along with the Parish Choir. > > I hope my singing at your service later this month isn't going to drive > people out the door.... > > Peter > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: Mass Settings From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 19:36:28 -0600   Storandt, Peter wrote:   > Glenda: > > We use the Willan regularly, along with an Anglican-chant psalm, at our = Rite > I 11:00 AM service. That's the service served by the Cathedral Choir, > though several of its [paid] members also sing at the Rite II 9:00 AM > service along with the Parish Choir. > > I hope my singing at your service later this month isn't going to drive > people out the door....   We generally do Rite II, so tend to use one of the more recent settings. We are currently doing the William Mathias one. We also generally use Anglican chant for the psalm, although use our own pointing as we find the congregation has trouble with the Alec Wyton version, especially when he omits the reciting note on short verses. In Lent, however, we do Rite I, and then we use the Healey Willan setting. I must confess that though in my heart of hearts I would rather do Rite I (as a cradle Anglican I was brought up on the older words), I find it very unsettling when we do Rite I these days because everyone invariably forgets what they are doing and lapses into Rite II. This makes the whole thing into something of a fiasco. I mentioned this to my wife (who happens to be the Rector), and said that perhaps the time had come to stop doing Rite I in Lent, because even the Rite I enthusiasts have difficulty with getting it right these days. Her reaction was, "Oh no! In that case we would never get to do the Willan!" Of course, we don't get to do the Gloria, since it is Lent.   John Speller, St. Mark's, St. Louis.