PipeChat Digest #1215 - Wednesday, January 5, 2000
 
Re: Simpson's Episode
  by "Ron Natalie" <ron@sensor.com>
Re: Date query
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
Re: Date query
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Sibelius help (X-posted) OK, maybe off-topic for PipeChat
  by "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net>
Re: Paul Manz
  by "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net>
bluesy melodies--wuz Manz
  by "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net>
Re: Dulciana Cornet
  by "Chris Baker" <cembalist@chorale.demon.co.uk>
PLEASE READ - Y2K Aftermath
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
Re: Date query
  by <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: Date query
  by <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: Date query
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Dulciana Cornet
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
Organ at Vassar College
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Bach recital date (was: Date query)
  by "Pat Maimone" <patmai@juno.com>
Re: American Builders in Paris?
  by "Carl & Grace Snip" <cgscissors@followme.com>
Re: Dulciana Cornet
  by <Prestant16@aol.com>
Re: American Builders in Paris?
  by "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu>
Re: Dolcan
  by "John  M. Doney" <jdoney@email.msn.com>
Re: Dulciana Cornet
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: American Builders in Paris?
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@post.queensu.ca>
Re: Date query
  by <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
canadian organ builders
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
 



(back) Subject: Re: Simpson's Episode From: "Ron Natalie" <ron@sensor.com> Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 06:48:28 -0500   Hey, remember when we used to make out to that hymn?   I want you to clean every one of these organ pipes, that you befouled with your "popular" music!   -Ron   Gotta love that rock and/or roll music.  
(back) Subject: Re: Date query From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 06:48:56 -0600   J.S. Bach died on July 28, 1750, in Leipzig.   Regards,   Glenda Sutton   ----- Original Message ----- From: <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2000 10:17 PM Subject: Date query     > I've got the year down pat, but I would like to know the month and day > of JSBach's death. If it's far enough away from now, I'm thinking of > putting together an all-Bach recital. > > My Grout book is at church, I'm at home still on vacation. Thanks for > your help. > > Neil > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: Date query From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 08:44:02 -0500   Neil: My book says July 28, 1750.   That may be Julian or Gregorian. More work needed here; we'd want to know which calendar Leipzig was using then. Great Britain went Gregorian only = in 1752, but I think Germany (in bits and pieces) had switched earlier. But = if it's Julian, I think we'd just keep the same day in Gregorian anyway.   Alan   > From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net > Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 23:17:02 -0500 (EST) > To: pipechat@pipechat.org > Subject: Date query > > the month and day > of JSBach's death.    
(back) Subject: Re: Sibelius help (X-posted) OK, maybe off-topic for PipeChat From: "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 08:52:45 -0500 (EST)   Bud, exactly what are you trying to do on it? I was hitting roadblocks until I just sat down one day and started working on some psalms. the problem for me was that the Sibelius tutorial was not choral but orchestral, and my brain would not make the transfer. I'll be happy to help if I can. It really is easy.   bruce cornely ~:~:~ rohrschok8@webtv.net gainesville, florida    
(back) Subject: Re: Paul Manz From: "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 08:54:31 -0500 (EST)   I played the Manz "Aria" twice and then became bored with it. If you want something really nice in that style, get Charles Callahan's Folk Tune and (I think the other piece is Chant); they come in a set. Both are exquisite and not difficult.   bruce cornely ~:~:~ rohrschok8@webtv.net gainesville, florida    
(back) Subject: bluesy melodies--wuz Manz From: "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 08:59:45 -0500 (EST)   Just remember... if you want a really wonderful, bluesy, almost smarmy melody, Max Reger wrote a little piece callled Melodia, which is contained in a book called Nine Pieces. It just makes ya need a cigarette!!! ;-)   bruce cornely ~:~:~ rohrschok8@webtv.net gainesville, florida    
(back) Subject: Re: Dulciana Cornet From: "Chris Baker" <cembalist@chorale.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 12:19:33 +0000   Hugh writes:   >I don't believe the Dolce Cornet and the Dulciana Cornet are one and the >same. Audsley discusses both and ascribes different characteristics to >each. He warns of the Dulciana being voiced with too much colour and >making it a quasi string-toned stop. Doing some searching on the 'net I >find examples of the Dulciana Cornet showing up on the H&H in Durham >Cathedral and in a Lewis instrument in Glasgow, I believe it was.Anyone >heard these stops?   Between the three words - 'Dolce', 'Dulciana' and 'Cornet' there exists huge potential for confusion. In English organ building, Dolce and Dulciana are quite different. Whilst 'Cornet' can refer to a single-rank stop, or to a three or four- rank mixture of particular intervals.   The Dulciana is a simple narrow scale, full length diapason. It is exquisitely difficult to voice evenly, and in poorly managed instruments can range from definably fluty, through to intensely stringy within the same rank. In English organs it is used as an accompaniment to a swell or choir solo stop, and as an accomp. for the choir itself. In small instruments, in which consequently. the Dulciana is very small scale, regulation is often difficult, giving unreliable volume levels through the compass. Generally the dulciana is like a naughty puppy - you love it to bits, but it keeps misbehaving.   The Dolce however, is a real connoisseurs' item. Also full length, it is usually of slightly larger scale than the Dulciana, it is also reverse tapered, (tapering out from bottom to top, in the ratio approx. 3:2). This stop was often a rejected option, because of the amount of room it needed on the soundboard. The bottom octave of a full-compass Dolce really is a sight to behold, and beautiful too. It was generally easier to voice and regulate, being larger than the Dulciana. It was tolerant of cutting-up and consequently, the Dolce is usually voiced into the fluty end of the spectrum. This makes it ideal as a solo-stop accompaniment, but the shortage of harmonics can sometimes cause pitching problems for choirs. I don't think any builders now produce a genuine Dolce, but I don't care, 'cos I GOT ONE!   Hugh, I'm looking at the current stop-list for Durham Cathedral's WILLIS(!)-harrison, and cannot see the Dulciana Cornet you refer to. However, my list seems to have added nothing since 1970, and you may be right. There *is* a Cornet de Violes of three ranks (10,12,15) in the Solo division, together with several eight footers that look as though they could work as a foundation for it. Both Positif and Choir divisions have enough appropriate mutational stuff to assemble a Cornet, but I can find no Dulciana Cornet as such. However, I do have a 'spy' in there, and next time I see him, I'll tell him to go and have a look!   As an addendum to this, we need to be careful of the confusing prefix 'corno'. I will readily concede to and welcome, the greater knowledge of others, but this prefix is applied to flutes, strings, AND to reeds, and originally implied a smooth tone flute, string or horn. Nowadays of course, the typical Cornopean tends to the fiery, (especially if it's the *only* reed on a small organ), but I know of a several examples which really are buttery smooth. When we get to Cornoflote though, we are a very long way from anything Cornet-ish, as it were.   With some sense of relief, I will now hand this over to the experts!   Regards,   Chris Baker.   -- Chris Baker  
(back) Subject: PLEASE READ - Y2K Aftermath From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 09:36:50 -0600   Good Morning and I hope that everyone on the List had a very Happy New = Year.   Well, all the dire predictions of Y2K didn't happen, like the power going out, phones not working, the Net disappearing, etc. But in it's wake there has been one problem that has affected the list to a slight extent.   Over this past weekend there has been TONS of Bouncing Mail from servers that were shut down for the duration. And that has meant that some people have not gotten their mail from the list during this period. Normally, I don't bother too much with mail bounces unless they keep going on for several days at which point I do try to check the account and if there is a problem I delete them from the list. But in this case I haven't even tried to check various accounts and have trashed the Bounced Mail Digests that I get.   If you are one of these people that has been affected by this server shut down problem and did not get mail from the list over the weekend I will be glad to send you copies of the Daily Digest for those days that you missed mail.   Please write to me at mailto:admin@pipechat.org and let me know which days you didn't get mail from the list and I will forward the digests to you.   Sorry to bother the whole list with this but since I didn't keep the bouncing notices this is the only way of getting this offer out to everyone that might have been affected.   Hope the year 2000 is good for all of you and Happy Chatting!   David **************************************** David Scribner Co-Owner / Technical Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org 850-478-9635 mailto:david@blackiris.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Date query From: <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 12:26:33 -0500 (EST)   Thanks to everyone. Now I just have to decide if it's wise to schedule a recital in the end of July.   Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: Date query From: <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 12:29:11 -0500 (EST)   Alan, either way, it's still the middle of summer.   Speaking of calendars, I learned over the past few weeks just how incredibly accurate our calendar system really is. It amazes me that people can figure these things out.   Peace, Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: Date query From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 14:22:04 -0500   I suspect you're right. WhatEVER you learned would probably be news to ME, and I'd be delighted to hear about it.   Alan   > From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net > > I learned over the past few weeks just how > incredibly accurate our calendar system really is. It amazes me that > people can figure these things out.    
(back) Subject: Re: Dulciana Cornet From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 15:55:32 -0600   I think a Dulciana Cornet is quite simply a Cornet made of Dulciana type pipes.   I do not, however, think a Dolce Cornet is necessarily just a Cornet made of Dolce type pipes. Generally speaking you get two kinds of Cornet on nineteenth- and early twentieth-century American organs. These are Dolce Cornets and Solo Cornets. The Solo Cornet is rather louder and is intended to be usable as a solo stop as well as a chorus mixture. The Dolce Cornet is softer and is intended only to be used for chorus purposes. I think, therefore, that the meaning of Dolce Cornet can only really be understood in contrast with Solo Cornet.   John Speller  
(back) Subject: Organ at Vassar College From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 18:03:55 -0500   Dear list,   Vassar college (my employer) has a 2 Gress-Miles Organs. The larger one resides in our chapel with a smaller one in the Skinner Recital Hall. Apparently an Alumn has offered a huge grant to replace the smaller one in Skinner with a Baroque type tracker instrument. I guess it would be more befitting for intimate chamber music recitals in that hall, although the Gress-Miles is not bad. The chapel is always there for the really BIG stuff. Although I hear there is a lot of internal controversy about this whole replacement idea.   I work in the A/V media department and having done much of the sound and video in the Skinner Hall. Knowing that hall brings up some questions that would beg for some informed opinions, which this list is always very good at supplying! :-) So here goes: The current (Skinner) Gress Miles lives high up behind a screen in a = cavity in the rear wall of the stage. It has a large wired console that gets = moved around as needed. The specification is definitely of a romantic nature, = and it does not speak out that well into the hall (seats about 300). The stage area in front is not that deep so they would already like to see the console leave permanently. My question is: Would not a baroque type = tracker want to be more forward physically than the current buried organ? I don't think the college is planning much in the way of architectural renovations, so is there any thought on what to watch out for when = planning this kind of replacement? Are there ground rules for the physical placement? At this point of time I'm just an observer, but hoping that = they seriously consider EXACTLY what they're doing. Any comments would be welcomed.   John V      
(back) Subject: Bach recital date (was: Date query) From: "Pat Maimone" <patmai@juno.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 18:42:00 -0500   Hi, Neil,   Glad to learn that you are preparing an all-Bach recital to commemorate the 250th anniversary of his death.   On Tue, 4 Jan 2000 12:29:11 -0500 (EST) Innkawgneeto@webtv.net writes: > Alan, either way, it's still the middle of summer. Why not give an all-Bach recital on his birthday, March 21? It does happen to be a Tuesday during Lent... also is usually the first day of spring..(in 2,000 `tis the day after...)   If that is too somber a time, what about June 1, (Thursday,) which is Ascension Day.. Perhaps if you transcribed a movement from the Ascension Oratorio.. (BWV 11) ;-) If you seek another date, why not check the Schmieder BWV catalog, which [in all probability] lists dates of composition and/or first performance of the organ works.. (Mine is at the office..) There might even be some of that information online now..   Pat Maimone Post Chapel West Point II/57 Aeolian-Skinner/Moeller/Gress-Miles    
(back) Subject: Re: American Builders in Paris? From: "Carl & Grace Snip" <cgscissors@followme.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 20:29:17 -0500   All: I just found this e-mail sitting in my outbox????? I attempted to = send it last year some time, and I've mailed other things since then. I just don't understand = computers.....   Be that as it may, perhaps this thread will still fly.   -------------   Dear Rebekah & List:   Canadian organ builders? Way to start a thread, 'Becca!   Let's see, Halbert Gober, recently moved to Fergus, Ontario...   Guilbaut-Th=E9rien <sp?>...   L=E9tourneau<sp?>...   Strijbos, of Sarnia, Ontario...   Hmmm, who else?   By the way, Rebekah, where in Canada are you headed?   crs   -----Original Message----- From: Rebekah Ingram <rringram@syr.edu> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 8:26 AM Subject: American Builders in Paris?     With all these top ten lists, it got me wondering: Did any of the American = builders and voicers every do anything significant out of the country? (I.E. Hook, = Harrison, the classics we all know and love.) My curiosity is piqued because I'm = wondering what names I may run into in Canada--besides Casavant.   Anybody?   -Rebekah          
(back) Subject: Re: Dulciana Cornet From: <Prestant16@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 21:06:50 EST   In a message dated 1/4/00 9:18:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, cembalist@chorale.demon.co.uk writes:   << The Dolce however, is a real connoisseurs' item. Also full length, it is usually of slightly larger scale than the Dulciana, it is also reverse tapered, (tapering out from bottom to top, in the ratio approx. 3:2). >>     I Have an early 20th century Dolce built by Hook and Hastings, It is more like a Dulciana with a 1/5 mouth, instead of 1/4. I remember reading that = a Dolcan has a reverse taper. I have heard stops labeled Dolcan at Church = of the Advent here is Boston, MA and also at the Cathedral Church of St. = Peter and Paul in Boston. It sounded like a dulciana with a touch of spitzflute. = Both organs are Aeolian Skinners and both have a celeste to that rank.   Any comments?   -William C.  
(back) Subject: Re: American Builders in Paris? From: "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 21:28:34 -0500     ----- Original Message ----- From: Carl & Grace Snip <cgscissors@followme.com> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2000 8:29 PM Subject: Re: American Builders in Paris?     > Canadian organ builders? Way to start a thread, 'Becca!   hee hee, Thanks, I try!   > By the way, Rebekah, where in Canada are you headed?   Ottawa, so I can go visit Bob Conway. ;)   -Rebekah      
(back) Subject: Re: Dolcan From: "John M. Doney" <jdoney@email.msn.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 21:50:05 -0000   I thought that the Dolcan and Dolcan Celeste found on many = Aeolian-Skinners (often as the Choir strings) was one of the most beautiful and useful sounds. As much as a Flute Celeste is yummy, the Dolcan was a useful 8' foundation for the Choir along with a proper 8' Flute. It was sort of a good compromise when you couldn't afford Viola Celeste, Flute Celeste on = the Swell and a third set for the Choir division. JOHN          
(back) Subject: Re: Dulciana Cornet From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 22:02:24 -0500   The Reuters in Paducah, KY. doesn't have a Dolce or a Dolcan, but it does have a Dulciana, Salicional, Gamba, and Gemshorn. Using these four stops- plus the added stereo effect of two swell boxes- is a very pleasing accompaniment for the choir. It also has a Violin Diapason in the choir organ.   Rick      
(back) Subject: Re: American Builders in Paris? From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 23:36:02 -0500   At 09:28 PM 2000-01-04 -0500, Rebekah wrote: >Ottawa, so I can go visit Bob Conway. ;)   Rebekah,   Ottawa? Are there any organ builders up there? There are the Houses of Parliament, with all the hot air, but it is only to heat up the Parliamentary Buildings! You would miss me by 105 miles, - I am in Kingston!   But you are welcome at any time!   Bob Conway "I am easily satisfied with the very best." Sir Winston Churchill.      
(back) Subject: Re: Date query From: <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 23:41:22 -0500 (EST)   Alan, it was on a news cast back before Christmas. Don't recall network at all, but they had some supportive information to corroborate the claim. And I was amazed, that after minor adjustments by Julius Caesar, et al, our calendar is up-to-date, accurate, and dependable.   Neil    
(back) Subject: canadian organ builders From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 01:36:52 EST   Some of the names I've seen here in Montreal, besides Casavant are:   Les Orgues O. Jacques de Montreal Fran=E7ois Caron   ....and let's not forget the fabulous 4-manual Gabriel Kney organ at Roy Thompson concert hall in Toronto.   Carlo ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com