PipeChat Digest #1217 - Friday, January 7, 2000
 
Re: joint AGO/COTOS meeting
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: General Music Corp?
  by "Hugh Drogemuller" <lon.hdrogemuller@wwdc.com>
What is an enthusiast to do? (Cross Post)
  by "Grandstaff, Larry P." <grandslp@smxcorp.com>
Re: What is an enthusiast to do? (Cross Post)
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: What is an enthusiast to do? (Cross Post)
  by "Ron Natalie" <ron@sensor.com>
RE: What is an enthusiast to do? (Cross Post)
  by "Wietstock, Steven M" <swietsto@indiana.edu>
Re: General Music Corp?
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Fw: What is an enthusiast to do? (Cross Post)
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Tapered Flue Timbres (was Re: Dulciana Cornet)
  by "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net>
Re: Fw: What is an enthusiast to do? (Cross Post)
  by "Bill Morton" <wjm@pacbell.net>
Re: Tapered Flue Timbres (was Re: Dulciana Cornet)
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
Re: What is an enthusiast to do? (Cross Post)
  by <flcg1018@mails.fju.edu.tw>
Re: What is an enthusiast to do?
  by <flcg1018@mails.fju.edu.tw>
RE: What is an enthusiast to do?
  by <flcg1018@mails.fju.edu.tw>
Fw: Stuff!
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Tapered Flue Timbres (was Re: Dulciana Cornet)
  by "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net>
Re: Tapered Flue Timbres (was Re: Dulciana Cornet)
  by <Prestant16@aol.com>
Spitzfloetes I have known and loved (NOT!)
  by "Bud" <Quilisma@socal.rr.com>
 



(back) Subject: Re: joint AGO/COTOS meeting From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 07:53:52 -0500   I'm in total agreement to student exposure to theatre or classic/church music.   Indianapolis, Indiana has a high school auditorium with an excellent = 3m/27r WurliTzer in it. I don't know all the school functions, but I'm sure the instrument is being used.   Yes, it would be much better to hear Bourdons and Diaphones that rattle = your teeth versus a boom-box that ruptures your ear drums!   For anyone exposed to organ music albeit theatre or classic, the mere effect of a full surround-sound instrument could probably raise a few goose-bumps.   Colombus, Ohio is doing a good thing by presenting its' symphony AND = theatre organ to those coming up in the ranks. OK, so thats a pun!   Rick      
(back) Subject: Re: General Music Corp? From: "Hugh Drogemuller" <lon.hdrogemuller@wwdc.com> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 08:29:49 -0500   To Pete and everyone else..   There is a wonderful search engine at <www.google.com>. It is = powerful.This comes up with all sorts of goodies. I did a search on "Dulciana Cornet". = It found actual URL's with these words in them. Of course it gave me every location for the word Dulciana and the word Cornet. Still, the 2 line listing helps a lot to identify what is on the particular site.   HD   At 22:53 05/01/2000 EST, you wrote: >Hey all, > I am keyboard shopping for my dorm room at school, and I was = curious >about general Music Corporation and if anyone has a keyboard by them. I = also >very much need their web address if anyone has it. It would also help if >anyone has any suggestions about buying a keyboard and what it should = have in >it as needed for an organist/pianist/jazz guy. thanx for any help, please =   >send comments my way! > > Pete Isherwood > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: What is an enthusiast to do? (Cross Post) From: "Grandstaff, Larry P." <grandslp@smxcorp.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 08:50:42 -0500   Good morning everyone,   First I would like to thank everyone, who both publicly and privately replied to my whining. I received a lot of good advice and also found out that I am not alone with this problem.   A lot of the mail asked where I was located and also what exactly was I doing. So ---   I own a very small farm north of Reading, PA that my wife and I have named Pipe Dreams Farm. About 6 years ago a church gave me 2/10 Moller (OP = 5654) built in 1929. The organ needed releathered and one of the larger wind chests had a split about 4' long. The organ was replaced by an Allen, and the church said as long as I removed the Moller I could have it for free because Allen was going to charge them to remove it.   Our house on the farm was built in 1861 and is small with low ceilings, so = I decided to build a bank barn to house the organ and my other hobby, wood working. The barn is 40' x 28' and is made up of three levels built into = a hill. The lower level is used like a garage to store my tractors and a truck. The second level is heated and is used as my wood working shop. = The upper level, also heated, is made up of one large room with a cathedral ceiling of 19' in the center.   I am currently building the pipe chamber on this upper floor to house the Moller. As I start to install the pipes I will need a lot of repair = parts, air piping, etc to finish this part of the job. I would also like to = expand the organ with either more pipe ranks or digital sampled voices. I would also like to either build a four manual console in my wood shop or find = one cheap. If I do build the console in my shop, I will need keyboards, = stops, etc., either new or used.   This is why I started to collect catalogs and information on parts and = what prompted my E-mail of yesterday after some of the bigger guys told me to = go away.   Thanks again to everyone, Larry  
(back) Subject: Re: What is an enthusiast to do? (Cross Post) From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 08:48:30 -0500   Larry... Best of luck on your "pipe dream". Don't let the big-boys dim your visions!   Rick      
(back) Subject: Re: What is an enthusiast to do? (Cross Post) From: "Ron Natalie" <ron@sensor.com> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 09:06:51 -0500     > A lot of the mail asked where I was located and also what exactly was I > doing. So --- > > I own a very small farm north of Reading, PA that my wife and I have = named > Pipe Dreams Farm. About 6 years ago a church gave me 2/10 Moller (OP = 5654) > built in 1929.   Wow, what a coincidence. I have a II/7 Moller (op 5967, circa 1931) = spread all over my house that I'm putting back together.  
(back) Subject: RE: What is an enthusiast to do? (Cross Post) From: "Wietstock, Steven M" <swietsto@indiana.edu> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 09:21:49 -0500   Ditto -- I am currently restoring a II/7 Moller (op 5990) for = installation in my home.   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Steven M. Wietstock, Ph.D. Phone: 812-855-2700 Coord. of Instructional Programs Fax: 812-855-8300 Department of Chemistry, C021 Indiana University Email: swietsto@indiana.edu 800 E. Kirkwood Ave Bloomington, IN 47405-7102 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~     -----Original Message----- From: Ron Natalie [mailto:ron@sensor.com] Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 9:07 AM To: PipeChat Cc: 'PIPORG-L@listserv.albany.edu'; 'theatreorgans-L List Member' Subject: Re: What is an enthusiast to do? (Cross Post)       > A lot of the mail asked where I was located and also what exactly was I > doing. So --- > > I own a very small farm north of Reading, PA that my wife and I have = named > Pipe Dreams Farm. About 6 years ago a church gave me 2/10 Moller (OP 5654) > built in 1929.   Wow, what a coincidence. I have a II/7 Moller (op 5967, circa 1931) = spread all over my house that I'm putting back together.   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: General Music Corp? From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 10:33:58   At 10:53 PM 1/5/2000 EST, you wrote:   >I am keyboard shopping for my dorm room at school, and I was curious >about general Music Corporation and if anyone has a keyboard by them. I >also very much need their web address if anyone has it.<snip>   http://www.generalmusic.com/   Italian outfit; makes Ahlborn-Galanti organs and modules, GEM digital pianos, various synths and MIDI gear. Italian-made; YMMV.   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Fw: What is an enthusiast to do? (Cross Post) From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 13:47:58 -0500   Well not to be out-done, I'm restoring an 1890s oiled walnut parlour organ complete with mirrored gallery and stool to keep my Jesse French/ Simplex player upright piano company.   So there !   HA!   Rick       ----- Original Message ----- From: Wietstock, Steven M <swietsto@indiana.edu> To: 'PipeChat' <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 9:21 AM Subject: RE: What is an enthusiast to do? (Cross Post)     > Ditto -- I am currently restoring a II/7 Moller (op 5990) for installation > in my home. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Steven M. Wietstock, Ph.D. Phone: 812-855-2700 > Coord. of Instructional Programs Fax: 812-855-8300 > Department of Chemistry, C021 > Indiana University Email: swietsto@indiana.edu > 800 E. Kirkwood Ave > Bloomington, IN 47405-7102 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Natalie [mailto:ron@sensor.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 9:07 AM > To: PipeChat > Cc: 'PIPORG-L@listserv.albany.edu'; 'theatreorgans-L List Member' > Subject: Re: What is an enthusiast to do? (Cross Post) > > > > > A lot of the mail asked where I was located and also what exactly was = I > > doing. So --- > > > > I own a very small farm north of Reading, PA that my wife and I have named > > Pipe Dreams Farm. About 6 years ago a church gave me 2/10 Moller (OP > 5654) > > built in 1929. > > Wow, what a coincidence. I have a II/7 Moller (op 5967, circa 1931) spread > all over my house that I'm putting back together. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: Tapered Flue Timbres (was Re: Dulciana Cornet) From: "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:12:53 -0500 (EST)   >When Chris described English Spitzflutes as > leaning towards a very harmonic diapason > sound I couldn't think of any American > examples I've played with that much harmonic > development. The Spitzflutes I'm familiar with > have more taper and therefore less harmonic > development than a similarly scaled > Gemshorn, which in turn sounds like a muted > Diapason. It is interesting how stop timbers differ from builder to builder. Some examples I've played include: Pedal Spitzflute 8 - A-S 1939 -- a very gentle flute sound, the tapering seems to remove the heaviness, but left it as a gentle flute. Gemshorn 8 4 - Schlicker 1965 -- a very broad tapered flute, unlike any other Gemshorn example I've played; very resonant with rich bass response and much color. Spitzgamba 8 - Flentrop 1960 -- a flute with a slight bite, not quite an actual gamba but more on the flute side. Spitzflote 4 - 1970 A-S -- very thin principal type sound with little hint of flute.   Any wonder people are confused???   bruce cornely ~:~:~ rohrschok8@webtv.net gainesville, florida    
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: What is an enthusiast to do? (Cross Post) From: "Bill Morton" <wjm@pacbell.net> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 17:36:35 -0800   At 01:47 PM 01/06/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Well not to be out-done, I'm restoring an 1890s oiled walnut parlour = organ >complete with mirrored gallery and stool to keep my Jesse French/ Simplex >player upright piano company.     In the same line, I have been considering restoring (e.g., washing the grime off) a Hammond Solovox which has been accumulating same grime in my garage for = about 15 years.....    
(back) Subject: Re: Tapered Flue Timbres (was Re: Dulciana Cornet) From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 20:20:15 -0600   bruce cornely wrote:   > Pedal Spitzflute 8 - A-S 1939 -- a very gentle flute sound, the taperin= g > seems to remove the heaviness, but left it as a gentle flute.   Our organ is also a 1939 A-S (#979), and has an 8' Spitz Flute on the Great. According to the voicing record, this was made to a Skinner Flauto Dolce scale, and I suspect the same may have been true of your example. Ours is a small organ, devoid of strings, so the muted string characteristic of the Flauto Dolce comes in useful. On the other hand the 4' Spitz Fl=F6te on the Swell of the 1955 A-S at Trinity, Bethlehem, Pa., (#1280) where I used to be a member, was much brighter and more assertive, probably because it was the only 4' on the Swell and had to=20 some extent to fulfill the functions of both a 4 Flute and a 4' Principal. So the stops are very different because they need to be.=20 That's the wonder of GDH ...   John Speller  
(back) Subject: Re: What is an enthusiast to do? (Cross Post) From: <flcg1018@mails.fju.edu.tw> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 10:50:10 +0800 (CST)   How about telling us the specifications of your organ?   Best wishes,     Morton Belcher fellow pipechat, organchat, piporg-l, anglican-music, and ros list = member...   On Thu, 6 Jan 2000, Grandstaff, Larry P. wrote:   > Good morning everyone, > > > I own a very small farm north of Reading, PA that my wife and I have = named > Pipe Dreams Farm. About 6 years ago a church gave me 2/10 Moller (OP = 5654) > built in 1929. The organ needed releathered and one of the larger wind > chests had a split about 4' long. The organ was replaced by an Allen, = and > the church said as long as I removed the Moller I could have it for free > because Allen was going to charge them to remove it. >       > Larry > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >  
(back) Subject: Re: What is an enthusiast to do? From: <flcg1018@mails.fju.edu.tw> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 10:52:02 +0800 (CST)   How about telling us the specifications of your organ? Or at least e-mailing the specification to me?   Best wishes,     Morton Belcher fellow pipechat, organchat, piporg-l, ros, and anglican-music list = member...       On Thu, 6 Jan 2000, Ron Natalie wrote:   > > > Wow, what a coincidence. I have a II/7 Moller (op 5967, circa 1931) = spread > all over my house that I'm putting back together. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >  
(back) Subject: RE: What is an enthusiast to do? From: <flcg1018@mails.fju.edu.tw> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 10:53:50 +0800 (CST)   And the specs of your organ, sir?       Best wishes,       Morton Belcher   fellow pipechat list member...   On Thu, 6 Jan 2000, Wietstock, Steven M wrote:   > Ditto -- I am currently restoring a II/7 Moller (op 5990) for = installation > in my home. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Steven M. Wietstock, Ph.D. Phone: 812-855-2700 > Coord. of Instructional Programs Fax: 812-855-8300 > Department of Chemistry, C021 > Indiana University Email: swietsto@indiana.edu > 800 E. Kirkwood Ave > Bloomington, IN 47405-7102 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Natalie [mailto:ron@sensor.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 9:07 AM > To: PipeChat > Cc: 'PIPORG-L@listserv.albany.edu'; 'theatreorgans-L List Member' > Subject: Re: What is an enthusiast to do? (Cross Post) > > > > > A lot of the mail asked where I was located and also what exactly was = I > > doing. So --- > > > > I own a very small farm north of Reading, PA that my wife and I have = named > > Pipe Dreams Farm. About 6 years ago a church gave me 2/10 Moller (OP > 5654) > > built in 1929. > > Wow, what a coincidence. I have a II/7 Moller (op 5967, circa 1931) = spread > all over my house that I'm putting back together. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >  
(back) Subject: Fw: Stuff! From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 22:00:05 -0500   I have the ceiling-height (10 feet) for a small pipe, but not the floor space. Being in the organ service field, my house is loaded with pipe = organ, player piano, and clock stuff!   WHERE'S MY SOFA ?!?! ANYONE SEE THE CAT ??   Rick     ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Loesch <rrloesch@jps.net> To: VEAGUE <dutchorgan@svs.net> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 3:21 PM Subject: Stuff!     > At 01:47 PM 01/06/2000 -0500, you wrote: > >Well not to be out-done, I'm restoring an 1890s oiled walnut parlour organ > >complete with mirrored gallery and stool to keep my Jesse French/ = Simplex > >player upright piano company. > > > >So there ! > > > >HA! > > > Sounds like my 'collection'! Knabe/Autopiano, Marshall & Wendell = upright > Ampico, Estey 'G' 2m/p, Aeolian Orchestrelle... None actually restored, > but all except the Ampico still play. The Orchestrelle is on its = original > secondary pneumatics, and it will be 101 yrs old this July... > > > Regards, > > Bob, in beautiful Lake County, California, USA > > http://www.jps.net/rrloesch > > Time flies whether you're having fun or not! > > The best things in life aren't THINGS.      
(back) Subject: Re: Tapered Flue Timbres (was Re: Dulciana Cornet) From: "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 22:59:53 -0500 (EST)     >Our organ is also a 1939 A-S (#979), and has > an 8' Spitz Flute on the Great. According to > the voicing record, this was made to a > Skinner Flauto Dolce scale, and I suspect the > same may have been true of your example. In an early post someone said that the Flauto Dolce had an inverted taper. I had never heard of that. The organ I mentioned above was 3/72 by GDH.   >...the 4' Spitz Fl=F6te on the Swell of the 1955 > A-S at Trinity, Bethlehem, Pa., (#1280) where > I used to be a member, was much brighter > and more assertive, probably because it was > the only 4' on the Swell and had to some > extent to fulfill the functions of both a 4 Flute > and a 4' Principal. This may be the wonder of GDH, but I think it is a grave error on the part of the builder and significantly diminshes the tonal palette of the instrument. A 4 principal is beautiful as a solo stop or an octave lower as an accompaniment stop; likewise, a 4 spitzflute is gentle and lovely, also serving as a solo stop or accompaniment stop. BUT, when it is compromised to do double duty, it loses its ability to perform the other functions and become just a stop to strengthen the chorus. I would never allow this in an organ I had any authority over in building or finishing. It a grievous mistake, and I think one of the reasons that so many organs have little character.   bruce cornely ~:~:~ rohrschok8@webtv.net gainesville, florida    
(back) Subject: Re: Tapered Flue Timbres (was Re: Dulciana Cornet) From: <Prestant16@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 01:43:24 EST   I have always thought of spitzflutes as a soft plain sound. When I think Spitzflute, I think E. M. Skinne Flauto Dolce and Erzahlers. In the 60's Wicks would almost always use a Erzahler and Celeste in the swell to = replace the string and Celeste in their smaller instruments. The Wicks stops were =   just a delicate, but a little louder than Skinner. In my opinion, the Skinner Flute Dolce or Erzahler and matching Celeste is a perfect musical interpretation of the word "Celeste" because what other words come to = mind? Celestial, Heavenly. You can just hear the sound softly floating up to heaven!  
(back) Subject: Spitzfloetes I have known and loved (NOT!) From: "Bud" <Quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 23:24:31 -0800   The 3-manual A/S in St. Paul's Episcopal Church in Winter Haven FL (one of the last A/S organs built; it burned with the church a number of years = ago) had a 16' Spitzfloete on the Great that had to do double duty as the Pedal 16' PRINCIPAL (if you please). Two manuals were installed initially; = several years later, the church burned the night before the completed organ was to be dedicated in memory of The Very Rev. Cyril Neville Lee Sturrup, rector for many years (and an organ student of T.T. Noble). I understand they now have a full-time choirmaster and organist again (after a hiatus of many years) and a fine three-manual Harrison & Harrison in the rebuilt Gothic church.   Cheers,   Bud