PipeChat Digest #1218 - Saturday, January 8, 2000
 
Enthusiast/ My Moller
  by "Ron Natalie" <ron@sensor.com>
Re: Tapered Flue Timbres (was Re: Dulciana Cornet)
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
RE: What is an enthusiast to do? (Cross Post)
  by "Grandstaff, Larry P." <grandslp@smxcorp.com>
Re: Tapered Flue Timbres (was Re: Dulciana Cornet)
  by "Chris Baker" <cembalist@chorale.demon.co.uk>
VFox (was Fox/Liberace on Mike Douglas?
  by "Robert F. Ziegler" <rfziegler@ync.net>
Russell Holmes Plays Rochester on Jan. 16th. (x-posted)
  by "Ken Evans" <kevans1@rochester.rr.com>
HELP! Notation of Passion
  by "Bud" <Quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Medinah Temple (Chicago)
  by "Jon C. Habermaas" <opus1100@theatreorgans.com>
Re: Medinah Temple (Chicago)
  by <GRSCoLVR@aol.com>
Re: Medinah Temple (Chicago)
  by "Stanley E Yoder" <syoder+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Re: Tapered Flue Timbres (was Re: Dulciana Cornet)
  by "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net>
Fw: Tapered Flue Timbres (was Re: Dulciana Cornet)
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Tapered Flue Timbres (was Re: Dulciana Cornet)
  by "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net>
Re: Tapered Flue Timbres (was Re: Dulciana Cornet)
  by "Chris Baker" <cembalist@chorale.demon.co.uk>
Re: Medinah Temple (Chicago)
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
Fw: Medinah Temple (Chicago)
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
 



(back) Subject: Enthusiast/ My Moller From: "Ron Natalie" <ron@sensor.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 06:48:00 -0500   My organ (for those who asked).   Moller opus 5967. Built originally in 1931 for the residence of Arthur Cook in Washington DC. The original purchase price of the organ was $3750 (less a $200 credit for a trade in of a reed organ) The organ was moved to the Good Shepherd Lutheran Church after Mr. Cooks death. It went then to the organist of the Naval Academy, James Dale who got it in exchange for removing it and playing the dedication concert on Good Shepherd's new Schantz.   The organ has the following ranks: Diapason Scale 42 73 pipes French Horn 73 pipes Viole Scale 60 85 pipes Dulciana scale 56 92 pipse Vox Humana 73 pipes Gedeckt 97 pipes Chines (unfortunately the chime tubes seem to be missing).   The stop list is: Great: 16' Bass Viole 8' Open Diapson 8' Dulciana 8' Viole 8' Gedeckt 8' Vox Humana 4' Dulciana 4' Flute 4' Vox Humana 2' Flautina 8' French Horn 8' Orchestral oboe [syn] Chimes 2 2/3 Flute   Swell: 16' Bourdon 8' Flute 8' Dulciana 8' Viole 8' Orchestral Oboe [syn] 8' French Horn 8' Vox Humana 4' Orchestral Flute 4' Violina 4' Vox Humana 4' Dulciana 2 2/3 Flute Twelfth 2 2/3 quintette 2' picolo 2' Aeoline   Pedal: 32' resultant 16' Dulciana 16' Bourdon 8' Flute 8' Dulciana 8' Viole Chimes   Great to Pedal Swell to Pedal Swell to Great 4 Swell to Great 16 Swell to Great Great 4 Great 16 Swell 4 Swell 16   Tremulant Crescendo pedal Various pistons (a non-Moller modification duplicates the general pistons as toe studs) Great to pedal coupler reversable stud. SFZ piston   The thing (other than the missing chime tubes) seems rather complete. The whole thing was originally under expression. I do have the swell engine and the entire facade all (shades, frame and decorative grille). A monster kinetic blower takes up a corner of the basement   The pipe work was designed to go in a 7' x 10' x 10' high room (the bottom dozen or so dulciana and the bottom two gedeckt pipes are mitred).   I don't have 10' however most of the pipework was on chests mounted above the reservoirs, so I think I can put everything together as long as I put the offset chests for the bottom 2 gedekt and the dulciana sideways for now and mount the main chests closer to the floor (moving the regulators and the trems off to the side).   -Ron  
(back) Subject: Re: Tapered Flue Timbres (was Re: Dulciana Cornet) From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 06:38:59 -0600   bruce cornely wrote: >=20 > >Our organ is also a 1939 A-S (#979), and has > > an 8' Spitz Flute on the Great. According to > > the voicing record, this was made to a > > Skinner Flauto Dolce scale, and I suspect the > > same may have been true of your example. > In an early post someone said that the Flauto Dolce had an inverted > taper. I had never heard of that.   Nor have I. All the Skinner, Moller, etc. examples I have ever seen have had a normal taper. =20 The organ I mentioned above was   > >...the 4' Spitz Fl=F6te on the Swell of the 1955 > > A-S at Trinity, Bethlehem, Pa., (#1280) where > > I used to be a member, was much brighter > > and more assertive, probably because it was > > the only 4' on the Swell and had to some > > extent to fulfill the functions of both a 4 Flute > > and a 4' Principal. > This may be the wonder of GDH, but I think it is a grave error on the > part of the builder and significantly diminshes the tonal palette of th= e > instrument. A 4 principal is beautiful as a solo stop or an octave > lower as an accompaniment stop; likewise, a 4 spitzflute is gentle and > lovely, also serving as a solo stop or accompaniment stop. BUT, when > it is compromised to do double duty, it loses its ability to perform th= e > other functions and become just a stop to strengthen the chorus.   I think I would agree with this too. Personally I think that every division of every organ should have a 4' Principal, not just as part of the chorus, but also to make sure that there is a good tuning stop on the division. There are a goodly number of Choir divisions around in particular where there is no adequate tuning stop and this makes it almost impossible in many cases to keep the organ crisply in tune. Even when there is a 4' Principal it cannot always be heard adequately from all the necessary parts of the organ and thoughtful builders provide additional ranks that can be turned on just for tuning (e.g. on the Mander at St. Iggy's, NYC.) Another reason for always having a 4' Principal is that studies have shown that the 4' line is the main thing people listen for to get the pitch when singing. 4' flutes are less useful, because less determinate in pitch. Actually, though 4' flutes make a pleasant sound, they are much less useful in accompaniment than most people realize and ought to be much less used. In cases where there were insufficient funds for a 4' Principal and a 4' Flute on a division, I would go for the Principal every time.   John Speller  
(back) Subject: RE: What is an enthusiast to do? (Cross Post) From: "Grandstaff, Larry P." <grandslp@smxcorp.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 08:36:21 -0500   Good morning Morton,   Here is the specification on my organ. I have the sale receipt from = Moller and it appears what I have is what was delivered in 1929.   Moller Organ OP 5654 Stop List   Swell   Geigen Principal 8' Gedackt 8' Viol D'Orch. 8' Dulciana 8' Voix Celeste 8' Oboe 8' Vox Humana 8' Rohrflote 4' Nazard 2 2/3' Flautina 2' Tremolo Swell to Swell 16' Swell to Swell 4' Swell Unison Off   Great   Principal 8' Doppelflote 8' Viol D'Orch 8' Dulciana 8' Oboe 8' Octave 4' Flote 4' Fifteenth 2' Chimes Swell to Great 16' Swell to Great 8' Swell to Great 4' Great to Great 16' Great to Great 4' Great Unison Off   Pedal   Bourdon 16' Lieblich Gedackt 16' Principal 8' Gedackt 8' Oboe 8' Octave 4' Rohrflote 4' Great to Pedal 8' Great to Pedal 4' Swell to Pedal 8' Swell to Pedal 4'   Presets   (3) Swell (3) Great (4) General (4) Toe General   Misc Toe piston, Sforzando Reversible 3 Pedals: Great, Swell, Crescendo.   NOTE: CC Oboe pipe is signed as follows: A440, 70=B0, 10/12/29, J.E. = Woef, W.E.L.   Regards, Larry =20   > -----Original Message----- > From: flcg1018@mails.fju.edu.tw [mailto:flcg1018@mails.fju.edu.tw] > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 9:50 PM > To: PipeChat > Subject: Re: What is an enthusiast to do? (Cross Post) >=20 >=20 > How about telling us the specifications of your organ? >=20 > Best wishes, >=20 >=20 > Morton Belcher > fellow pipechat, organchat, piporg-l, anglican-music, and ros=20 > list member... >=20 > On Thu, 6 Jan 2000, Grandstaff, Larry P. wrote: >=20 > > Good morning everyone, > >=20 > >=20 > > I own a very small farm north of Reading, PA that my wife=20 > and I have named > > Pipe Dreams Farm. About 6 years ago a church gave me 2/10=20 > Moller (OP 5654) > > built in 1929. The organ needed releathered and one of the=20 > larger wind > > chests had a split about 4' long. The organ was replaced=20 > by an Allen, and > > the church said as long as I removed the Moller I could=20 > have it for free > > because Allen was going to charge them to remove it. > >=20  
(back) Subject: Re: Tapered Flue Timbres (was Re: Dulciana Cornet) From: "Chris Baker" <cembalist@chorale.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 12:19:17 +0000   bruce writes >In an early post someone said that the Flauto Dolce had an inverted >taper. I had never heard of that. The organ I mentioned above was >3/72 by GDH. 'Flauto Dolce' suggests a Dolce that is cut-up to the extent that only flute tone is produced - which is a bit of a waste of potential. However, it is either a Dolce, or it isn't. And to BE a Dolce, it MUST be reverse tapered. If it is 'straight' or normal-tapered, it becomes just a metal open flute, voiced and regulated to one of the multitudinous nomenclatures that this classification attracts. I suppose that the use of 'dolce' in the name of one of these stops is more properly understood by replacing its upper-case 'D' by one of lower-case: thus giving us an Italian descriptive, rather than the German/English definitive - albeit the same word.     (John S.) >>...the 4' Spitz Fl=F6te on the Swell of the 1955 >> A-S at Trinity, Bethlehem, Pa., was much brighter >> and more assertive, probably because it was >> the only 4' on the Swell and had to some >> extent to fulfill the functions of both a 4 Flute >> and a 4' Principal. (Bruce) >This may be the wonder of GDH, but I think it is a grave error on the >part of the builder and significantly diminshes the tonal palette of the >instrument. A 4 principal is beautiful as a solo stop or an octave >lower as an accompaniment stop; likewise, a 4 spitzflute is gentle and >lovely, also serving as a solo stop or accompaniment stop. BUT, when >it is compromised to do double duty, it loses its ability to perform the >other functions and become just a stop to strengthen the chorus. I >would never allow this in an organ I had any authority over in building >or finishing. It a grievous mistake, and I think one of the reasons >that so many organs have little character.   It would be interesting to see the rest of the spec. for this instrument. At first sight, this is stop nomenclature 'gone mad'. However, whilst the Principal4 or Octave IS the normal stop a tuner looks for, he would be quite happy to find the right amount of 'presence' and harmonic development at any octave on any stop, whatever it was called. Though he might think to himself a few uncomplimentary thoughts about the organ builder, if he finds himself tuning from a 'flute'.   On a small organ, there really should not be any difficulty in naming stops within accepted conventions. But in larger instruments, when the builder is searching for 'yet another b****y flute' name, it is perhaps understandable that definitive nomenclatures are sacrificed, particularly where he feels constrained to use a single language. Even so, this would be no excuse for indeterminate voicing. Nowhere is this more clearly pointed up than in the 'Cornet' I have stoplists in front of me which show Cornets as being:- (a)Single ranks at 8ft and 4ft. :( (b)2 rank at 19.22. (!) (c)3 ranks at 10.12.15, Now TTHHAATT'S a Cornet. (d)4 ranks at 12.15.18.22 (e)5 ranks at 12.15.17.19.22   Well, a single-rank Cornet is an oxymoron. A mixture containing a rank smaller than 15th has to break, and cannot therefore make a solo stop, whatever foundation is added to it.   So of these, only the (c) stop can rightly be called a Cornet.     A good thread this, and no insults ............ yet <G>   I LOVE these stop name/sound debates. We're all jabbering away out of our respective experiences, and none of has a clue what the others are hearing behind their descriptions.     Bruce, sorry to hear your news, and that you are considering giving up console driving. :( Oh yeah, pull the other one! Two years ago, you said you'd NEVER play another chorale prelude ....   PIPECHATTERS, let's open the book, "How long before Bruce is hammering the black and whites again?" "How long can a man who labels his shoes Bb and F#, go without a 'fix'".   Regards, Chris B.  
(back) Subject: VFox (was Fox/Liberace on Mike Douglas? From: "Robert F. Ziegler" <rfziegler@ync.net> Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 00:01:58 +0000   Carlo & Lizst:     I only got to see Virgil once back in the '70s when he came to Gary, Ind. = to play with the NW Indiana Symphony. It was a really bad winter night as I remember but inside everyone was "hot". The symphony and Virgil seemed to meld together and it was just wild. I'll never forget it.   After it was over and he and his Mgr. David was heading out I got a chance to talk to him face to face for a few minutes. He was so personable. I was in 7th heaven at that point in my life.   How time flys.       Regards,   -- Bob Ziegler rfziegler@ync.net Playing in the key of "off" in beautiful downtown Sauk Village, Illinois  
(back) Subject: Russell Holmes Plays Rochester on Jan. 16th. (x-posted) From: "Ken Evans" <kevans1@rochester.rr.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 13:54:41 -0500   The Rochester Theater Organ Society takes great pleasure in presenting the very talented English theater organist, Russell Holmes, in his debut performance on our 4/22 Wurlitzer. The console will rise at 2:30 p.m. on Sunday, January 16, 2000. Tickets at only $10 each will go on sale at the Auditorium Center, 875 East Main Street, Rochester, NY 14605 at 1:30 p.m. with the inside theater doors opening at 1:45. Driving directions, Russell Holmes' biography, pictures of the 4.22 console and pipe chambers plus lots of information about RTOS may be found at http://theatreorgans.com/rochestr/ .   Russell Holmes won the American Theatre Organ Society's overall best young theater organist award in 1994 and has gone from that highly- coveted = award to perform concerts in England, U.S.A., Australia, New Zealand, Hawaii and Germany. He has reached many other audiences through his broadcasts over = the BBC and German radio stations. He is a very exciting young theater = organist.   We hope that you are able to join our Auditorium Center audience for a = very entertaining Sunday afternoon on January 16. Feel free to contact me with any questions you may have.   Regards, Ken Evans, RTOS President    
(back) Subject: HELP! Notation of Passion From: "Bud" <Quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 11:17:55 -0800   Will someone with a scanner and a set of current (i.e. immediately pre-Vatican II) Latin Passion books please e-mail me privately with a few specimen pages from each (Chronista, Synagoga, Christus)? My set has disappeared, and I can't remember how you move the cleffs around as you go from one singer to the next. It CAN be notated throughout with a third-line "doh" cleff, but that leaves the Christus singer a LONG way away from any visual reference to a cleff. I think there's a "fah" cleff in there SOMEWHERE, but it's just been too long.   I'm putting the (English) Passion BACK into square notes from the old Burgess modern notation Liturgical Choir Book. Yeah, I'm crazy, but the seminarians have to sing parts of the Passion and the Exsultet from square notes as part of their final exam, so they have to learn it from square notes. But the music honcho neglected to mention where to GET the English Passion in square notes.   I HAVE a set of Ratisbon Passion books (1889), but the tunes are different, and the cleff notation isn't real clear . The tunes, by the way, are MUCH more interesting than the current "ancient" melodies, but they're quite beyond my seminarians, or I'd be using THEM instead.   If you DON'T have a scanner, maybe somebody can describe to me in words what cleffs are used, and where they go.   Scott-in-Cincinnati? I KNOW you must have them at St. Gertrude's (grin).   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Medinah Temple (Chicago) From: "Jon C. Habermaas" <opus1100@theatreorgans.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 13:51:22 -0600   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_013D_01BF5916.489F1140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   I recieved an inquiry recently concerning the status and future of the =3D Medinah Temple and its' venerable 5M Austin concert organ. The Shriners had an =3D option on purchase of the city block which contains the temple on the east portion = =3D and the historic Tree Studios artist complex on the west portion. =3D Preservationists have been fighting for years to preserve the Tree =3D Studios and the facade of the building on State St, (west side) is the =3D only part of the complex with landmark status. It appeared both comlexes were doomed, as the developer was interested =3D in building a hi-rise complex on the block, which would only have to retain = =3D the State St, facade of Tree Studios. Richard M. Daley, da'mayor of Chicago asked = =3D all parties to put the project on hold for six months and study the =3D possibility of=3D20 re-developing the property without destroying the existing structures. =3D Hizzoner did not want to see another hi-rise garage taking the place of some of =3D the few remaining historic structures. As a point of interest, Disney is =3D releasing "Fantasia 2000" this week which features a sound track recorded by the Chicago =3D Symphony Orchestra, The recordings were made at the Medinah Temple because the =3D movie producers recognized the value of Medinah's excellent accoustics. At the = =3D present the fate of the Temple and its' organ is in limbo.   jch     ------=3D_NextPart_000_013D_01BF5916.489F1140 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD>   <META content=3D3Dtext/html;charset=3D3Diso-8859-1 =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D'"MSHTML 4.72.3616.1301"' name=3D3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>I recieved an inquiry recently concerning the status = =3D and=3D20 future of the Medinah</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Temple and its' venerable 5M Austin concert organ. = =3D The=3D20 Shriners had an option on</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>purchase of the city block which contains the temple = =3D on the=3D20 east portion and the</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>historic Tree Studios artist complex on the west =3D portion.=3D20 Preservationists have been fighting for years to preserve the Tree =3D Studios and=3D20 the facade of the building on State St, (west side) is the only part of = =3D the=3D20 complex with landmark status.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>It appeared both comlexes were doomed, as the =3D developer was=3D20 interested in</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>building a hi-rise complex on the block, which would = =3D only have=3D20 to retain the State</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>St, facade of Tree Studios. Richard M. Daley, =3D da'mayor of=3D20 Chicago asked all parties to put the project on hold for six months and = =3D study=3D20 the possibility of </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>re-developing the property without destroying the = =3D existing=3D20 structures. Hizzoner</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>did not want to see another hi-rise garage taking = =3D the place of=3D20 some of the few</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>remaining historic structures.&nbsp; As a point of = =3D interest,=3D20 Disney is releasing &quot;Fantasia</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>2000&quot; this week which features a sound track = =3D recorded by=3D20 the Chicago Symphony</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Orchestra, The recordings were made at the Medinah = =3D Temple=3D20 because the movie</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>producers recognized the value of Medinah's =3D excellent=3D20 accoustics. At the present</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>the fate of the Temple and its' organ is in=3D20 limbo.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>jch</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_013D_01BF5916.489F1140--      
(back) Subject: Re: Medinah Temple (Chicago) From: <GRSCoLVR@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 15:36:19 EST   Thanks for the update Jon,,,,I am keeping my fingers crossed on Medinah. Would be a real shame to have that fine Austin trashed,,and its pretty big = to move,,altho not out of the question. ---Roc  
(back) Subject: Re: Medinah Temple (Chicago) From: "Stanley E Yoder" <syoder+@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 16:58:54 -0500 (EST)   Excerpts from mail: 7-Jan-100 Medinah Temple (Chicago) by "Jon C. Habermaas"@theat > As a point of interest, Disney is =3D > releasing "Fantasia > 2000" this week which features a sound track recorded by the Chicago =3D > Symphony > Orchestra, The recordings were made at the Medinah Temple because the = =3D > movie > producers recognized the value of Medinah's excellent accoustics.   Weren't a number of early Solti/CSO/Decca-London recordings made at Medinah, perhaps also Martinon's? Stan Yoder Pittsburgh  
(back) Subject: Re: Tapered Flue Timbres (was Re: Dulciana Cornet) From: "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 17:35:36 -0500 (EST)   When I first played the A-S at Central Presby in Houston, I was horrified that the only 4' stop in the Swell was a Principal. But after practicing on the organ several times, the wisdom of this decision became clear. Used with the Gambas celeste it worked uniquely almost as a super coupler, but providing a nice pitch line. With the flute stop it was a solid, clean sound.   I never had really developed an affection for spitzprincipals, although spitzflutes are quite lovely. The only gemshorns I've like have been very broad, and actually spitzflutes.   bruce cornely ~:~:~ rohrschok8@webtv.net gainesville, florida    
(back) Subject: Fw: Tapered Flue Timbres (was Re: Dulciana Cornet) From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 17:48:42 -0500   The Gemshorn at St. Francis DeSales in Paducah has a keen buzz saw-type sound. I found it to be somewhat pleasing- probably because it was the = first one I had ever heard before. It's playable at 8 foot with optional 16tc = and 4 couplers.   Rick     ----- Original Message ----- From: bruce cornely <rohrschok8@webtv.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2000 5:35 PM Subject: Re: Tapered Flue Timbres (was Re: Dulciana Cornet)     > When I first played the A-S at Central Presby in Houston, I was > horrified that the only 4' stop in the Swell was a Principal. But > after practicing on the organ several times, the wisdom of this decision > became clear. Used with the Gambas celeste it worked uniquely almost as > a super coupler, but providing a nice pitch line. With the flute stop > it was a solid, clean sound. > > I never had really developed an affection for spitzprincipals, although > spitzflutes are quite lovely. The only gemshorns I've like have been > very broad, and actually spitzflutes. > > bruce cornely ~:~:~ rohrschok8@webtv.net gainesville, florida > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: Tapered Flue Timbres (was Re: Dulciana Cornet) From: "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 18:01:38 -0500 (EST)   >it is either a Dolce, or it isn't. And to BE a > Dolce, it MUST be reverse tapered. What is to origin of the "dolce" stop. I always thought that "dolce" was an adjective to the rank name: Dolce Cornet, Flauto Dolce, Dolce Viole, etc.   >Bruce, sorry to hear your news, and that you > are considering giving up console driving. :( >Oh yeah, pull the other one! Me fears you're right. I went to a Presbyterian church close by that just got an 1860's Johnson 2/9 (+new mixture) and asked if I could practice there. The minister said, "Sure. Here's a key!" Other announcements to follow! ;-)   >Two years ago, you said you'd NEVER play > another chorale prelude .... HEY! Get outta the dang archives!!!! ;-)   bruce cornely ~:~:~ rohrschok8@webtv.net gainesville, florida    
(back) Subject: Re: Tapered Flue Timbres (was Re: Dulciana Cornet) From: "Chris Baker" <cembalist@chorale.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 00:36:39 +0000   Chris B. >>it is either a Dolce, or it isn't. And to BE a >> Dolce, it MUST be reverse tapered.   Bruce C. >What is to origin of the "dolce" stop. I always thought that "dolce" >was an adjective to the rank name: Dolce Cornet, Flauto Dolce, Dolce >Viole, etc.   Well, if you're going to snip off the answers........ :) The stops you mention above all use the word 'dolce' as an adjective, which can be applied to almost any 'sweet' sounding rank.   THE 'Dolce' or 'Dolcan' however, is a specific pipe definer. It is a full-length, dulciana type diapason, reverse tapered at 3:2, most often cut up to obtain more flutiness than the average true dulciana can manage. The wide top of this pipe, allows the merest suggestion of a horn timbre to emerge.   Of German origin, it first appeared in England on the Chesterfield Parish Church organ of 1741 by Sntetzler. It became more well known when Schulze (world's finest diapason maker!) began to include it in his instruments, from around 1860 onwards.   If we are to accept what Rev. Noel Bonavia-Hunt says, then one of your examples, the Flauto Dolce, should also be reverse tapered, as this is (was) another defining name of a Dolce-form pipe.   A 4ft Dolce is a 'Dulcet'. cute, eh?   The Dolce seemed not to appear in new organs after about 1930. It was considered an extravagance because of the soundboard room it required. The Dolce 8 on 'my' instrument at Stanhope, is by Binns (1915), and is probably one of last few to be made.   C. >>Two years ago, you said you'd NEVER play >> another chorale prelude .... B. >HEY! Get outta the dang archives!!!! ;-)   No archives - I've just been waiting two years for a good opportunity to use it :)   All the best, Chris  
(back) Subject: Re: Medinah Temple (Chicago) From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 19:43:39 -0600   Stanley E Yoder wrote:   > Weren't a number of early Solti/CSO/Decca-London recordings made at > Medinah, perhaps also Martinon's?   Yes. During that period there was no pipe organ at Symphony hall; interestingly enough, even after adding the instrument at Orchestra hall = ten or fifteen years ago, the orchestra continued to use Medinah and the = Austin for Organ/Orchestra recordings, because the Moller wasn't up to the task. = At least that's what I was led to understand.   > Stan Yoder > Pittsburgh > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Fw: Medinah Temple (Chicago) From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 21:32:12 -0500   Is Disney going to use the Austin during their recordings?     ----- Original Message ----- From: Noel Stoutenburg <mjolnir@ticnet.com> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2000 8:43 PM Subject: Re: Medinah Temple (Chicago)     > Stanley E Yoder wrote: > > > Weren't a number of early Solti/CSO/Decca-London recordings made at > > Medinah, perhaps also Martinon's? > > Yes. During that period there was no pipe organ at Symphony hall; > interestingly enough, even after adding the instrument at Orchestra hall ten > or fifteen years ago, the orchestra continued to use Medinah and the Austin > for Organ/Orchestra recordings, because the Moller wasn't up to the = task. At > least that's what I was led to understand. > > > Stan Yoder > > Pittsburgh > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >