PipeChat Digest #1237 - Tuesday, January 25, 2000
 
FL Pipe Organ Co. inventory for Sale
  by "Mr. Jan S. Vanderstad" <dcob@nac.net>
Re: 5th Ave Pres. (NYC)
  by <Mattcinnj@aol.com>
Re:Crescendo . . . two entertaining anecdotes
  by <MUSCUR@aol.com>
Re: Crescendo pedal order?
  by "Evelyn Rowe" <efrowe@mindspring.com>
Re: National Shrine - NOT Open
  by "Erik Johnson" <the_maitre@hotmail.com>
Re: Edward Shippen Barnes: Solemn Prelude
  by "Karl E. Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersv.edu>
Re: 5th Ave Pres. (NYC)
  by "Karl E. Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersv.edu>
Re: Crescendo pedal order?
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: National Shrine - NOT Open
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
RE: National Shrine - NOT Open
  by "Ruth S." <theraven@sympatico.ca>
RE: National Shrine - NOT Open
  by "Evelyn Rowe" <efrowe@mindspring.com>
attitudes toward congregations
  by <Quilisma@socal.rr.com>
 



(back) Subject: FL Pipe Organ Co. inventory for Sale From: "Mr. Jan S. Vanderstad" <dcob@nac.net> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 11:02:57 -0500   Good Morning,   I have been asked to post this to the lists in hopes that someone would be interested.   After nearly 50 years of building and servicing pipe organs, D.F. Bouma, the founder of Dutch Craft Organ Builders, has decided to retire. As a result of his retirement, a complete pipe organ, as well as a decent inventory of ranks and parts are available for purchase.   For more information, one can go to http://dutchcraft.homestead.com/home.html   Mr. Jan S. Vanderstad Northeastern USA Representative Dutch Craft Organ Builders  
(back) Subject: Re: 5th Ave Pres. (NYC) From: <Mattcinnj@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 11:23:59 EST   I believe the original organ builder is Austin.  
(back) Subject: Re:Crescendo . . . two entertaining anecdotes From: <MUSCUR@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 12:17:31 EST   Finding all the informative posts about crescendo pedals brought two recollections to mind (my, what memories a new year brings):   1. Wanamaker store, Philadelphia: back in the mid-1950's when Mary Vogt = was still at her daily perch my parents took me to meet her and to play the instrument for the first time. I was a budding circa 7 year old stomach-organist (read that accordion player) from Cleveland (why, of = course) and the visit was not difficult to arrange, for my mother knew Mary as = "Aunt Mary"- not a blood relative, but a connection from my parents' courting = days as fellow employees at Wanamakers (Dad in fur sales, Mom in fur storage - = one can easily imagine their first meeting). I was thrilled to hear Mary play = - and much of that thrill to pre-adolescent ears undoubtedly came from the incredible measure by measure grand crescendi and dimuendi caused by Mary spanning both the centrally located crescendo pedal and the swell *shoe to =   its immediate left to which she'd coupled all of the swells.   2. Konzerthaus, Vienna: I'd not come across the German rollschweller = design for a crescendo before being engaged to perform my first theatre & transcriptions concert at that incredible 5/113 Rieger. The mobile stage console was equipped with both the regular shoe and the roller, but the shoe-version was way off to the right of the top pedal on the pedal board = so nearly impossible to use in performance. As for the roller- well, it = took, as I recall, three complete revolutions from off to completely on, and in = my post-adolescent shall-we-say enthusiastic orchestral transcription = approach I found both delicate shadings and incredibly effective graduated swells perhaps accessible with the right approach. The answer for me: I quickly developed what I call my Paul Bunyan log-rolling method whereby carefully graduated inertia applied by a single quick top spin jab in either = direction at the device could bring about controlled partial to complete single rotation- and multiple hits could keep it spinning on up or down as far I liked, freeing the foot to manipulate the appropriate swells between. = I'll never forget the dashing ensemble bursts and powerful sforzando-like = effects that decorated my Marche Slave and Wellington's Victory arrangements (accompanied by a line of percussionists from the Vienna orchestra performing the original orchestral parts intact) led the local newspaper critic to deem me "that brash young American"). Ha!   * an aside about those Wanamaker shoes: Mary wore those Victorian lace up shoes instantly recognizable to those who used the John Stainer organ = method, and the shape of the swell shoes on the Wanamaker instrument is an exact footprint in metal of the shoe design- including an offset between sole = and heel.  
(back) Subject: Re: Crescendo pedal order? From: "Evelyn Rowe" <efrowe@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 12:34:32 -0500   I had a similar experience at a church job where the rector's wife subbed for me and occasionally practiced for *her* regular gig (and did a lot of back-seat driving throughout my tenure). I thought the organ was all messed up my first Christmas until the second time it happened. turned = out she thought that was the normal means of volume control. Trouble was, we had a particularly aggressive 4' principal on the swell that kicked in pretty early in the sequence, and it was on throughout the Christmas Eve service. When I found out what was wrong and started screaming, they thought I was just dumb.   At 09:05 AM 1/24/2000 -0600, you wrote: >For something that apparantly nobody thinks get used much,,, >the crescendo pedal has certainly generated quite a bit of >discussion....When I was working for the organ service we got >a trouble call from an organist claiming that the organ was hexed.. >it roared at her for no apparant reason. We asked her to be there >so she could show us what was happening....and guess what.. >instead of pumping the swell pedal...she was on the crescendo. > >jchj >-- > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: National Shrine - NOT Open From: "Erik Johnson" <the_maitre@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 13:10:08 EST   Scott & List Members:   In my experience I have found that the nastiest rumors tend to come from = the most ignorant and poorly trained organists who for reasons of envy, = jealousy or over inflated opinions of them-selves, think that they are "owed" big positions and "demand" high salaries! Another disturbing factor I have encountered is that nasty rumors are also =   started by self-righteous members of the RC congregation thinking that = Bach or Vierne is beyond their mental scope and think that they can better = direct the music program with their selection of "Be Not Afraid"! Indeed we real organist have much to be afraid of! When members of the (usually) musically non-competent congregation are more highly regarded = than a competent musician. And indeed when non-competent organists are revered =   for their ignorance and willingness to play anything! Thankfully I have a very supportive pastor who has told certain people exactly where He stands and exactly where they stand! Unfortunately = pastors such as this do not seem to be the norm in the RC world. It sounds like Scott is also blessed with a supportive pastor - thank goodness! Professionalism is the way to go here people! We must earn the respect of =   our Pastors and our Congregations. There will always be egos and vipers = but with the support of our employers we shall have nothing to fear.   All the Best, The Maitre   (Getting off the soap box now) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Edward Shippen Barnes: Solemn Prelude From: "Karl E. Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersv.edu> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 14:54:18 -0500 (EST)     I'm not sure that I can make a particular case for the piece over a thousand other pieces, but I don't mind playing it. I studied it in 1955 and get it out every so often. The Corliss Arnold book, 1st ed, says it was a Durand publication, but my copy is G Schirmer. It takes me about 7 minutes to play it, though I wonder if pehraps I play some of it a bit faster than others might. Cordially, Karl On Sat, 22 Jan 2000, Jason McGuire wrote:   > Karl, > > I don't know the piece, but am always on the look out for good stuff for > preludes ... is it especially nice? About how long is it? > > Jason > > > > > Just curious: I'm playing the Barnes "Solemn Prelude" tomorrow. = Does > > anyone else play this piece these days? > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Re: 5th Ave Pres. (NYC) From: "Karl E. Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersv.edu> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 16:30:06 -0500 (EST)     It was originally Austin with a drawknob console in the days when Austin seemed not to build so many of those. Dr. Robert Baker was organist and , if I recall correctly, got either two crescendo pedals or perhaps a pedal with two or more setttings. Cordially,   Karl E. Moyer Lancaster PA    
(back) Subject: Re: Crescendo pedal order? From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 15:01:18   At 09:05 AM 1/24/2000 -0600, you wrote: > >it roared at her for no apparant reason. We asked her to be there >so she could show us what was happening....and guess what.. >instead of pumping the swell pedal...she was on the crescendo.   Well, that's what they taught her at the Hammond Organ Studios! "Makes ya sound JUST like Lenny Dee!"   <chortle chortle>!   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: National Shrine - NOT Open From: <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 23:29:27 EST   In a message dated 1/24/00 12:11:14 PM Central Standard Time, the_maitre@hotmail.com writes:   << nasty rumors are also started by self-righteous members of the RC congregation thinking that = Bach or Vierne is beyond their mental scope and think that they can better = direct the music program with their selection of "Be Not Afraid"! Indeed we real organist have much to be afraid of! When members of the (usually) musically non-competent congregation are more highly regarded = than a competent musician. >>   This comment is rather disturbing to me. Not being a "RC" perhaps I lack some insight; however, it seems to me that this is a rather condescending view of parishioners. At times I have been accused of being "snooty", if = not worse, but -- aren't the parishioners really our employers? Making a = living in church music is like walking a very fine line and it's a task which one =   must master rather quickly in orders to make a go of it. It is essential = to be able to juggle the desires of parishioners, the clergy, and our own musical agendi. For without that ability we will surely be doomed.   Regarding Scott's situation... I have no idea, but I would guess that it = was probably a rumor started by someone hoping to slip into his job.... Which = is truly sad!   John  
(back) Subject: RE: National Shrine - NOT Open From: "Ruth S." <theraven@sympatico.ca> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 23:39:24 -0500   Don't you think that nasty rumours run in every vocation? Rumours circulated to especially knock down those who are successful. There will always be those who think they know better...in every field. Heck, I am sure that we all have dealt with these people in our many different walks of life. But thankfully, there are more of the appreciative, knowledgeable, and respecting people about then there are the nasties. The old green eyed monster of jealousy. Really very sad, but I don't think it is organ related. It's people related. People who can't accept the success of others. Ruth    
(back) Subject: RE: National Shrine - NOT Open From: "Evelyn Rowe" <efrowe@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 01:07:33 -0500   At 11:39 PM 1/24/2000 -0500, Ruth S. wrote: >Don't you think that nasty rumours run in every vocation? Rumours >circulated to especially knock down those who are successful. >There will always be those who think they know better...in every >field. Heck, I am sure that we all have dealt with these people in >our many different walks of life.   I've spent the last 15-20 years working with lawyers and law professors, and this being Washington I've had the opportunity to work with some who are nationally known in their field. But in church music I have encountered egos the size of Alaska, egos that dwarf any of the trial lawyers (it may be that, as one of them told our evidence class, you can't really hope for a lifetime average of more than 50/50). The professional literature says that civility is getting to be a major issue, but I can match every bit of bad behavior by lawyers with worse behavior by church musicians and clergy. I remember when a music director I was singing for was dying of AIDS and the calls about his job started coming into the church office while he was still breathing.   I have a theory that many church musicians are hopelessly warped from the outset because to be any good you have to start putting in long hours at the keyboard from middle school on up, and during your high school years, instead of learning to work with your peers you spend all your free time alone in a dark church. We do seem to have gotten past the days when many organists drank way too much.   Evie   mailto:efrowe@mindspring.com  
(back) Subject: attitudes toward congregations From: <Quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 22:09:24 -0800   Sorry, John, I'm with the maitre on this one ... 99.44% of (U.S.) Roman = Catholic congregations are INCREDIBLY ignorant of ALL things: theology, Scripture, liturgy, music, etc. . What's more, they HATE A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G that = reminds them of the "old" Church (i.e., before Vatican II). Or at least they make sure = that the people on the Liturgy and Music Committee of the Parish Council do. = And if THEY don't, the PASTOR is sure to.   Yes, before the RC members unlimber their flame-thuribles, there ARE some = good programs in this country ... Scott Foppiano's is one; the Cathedral in = Chicago is another; the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception in D.C. is = another (if their Christmas Mass was any indication); and there ARE parish churches = scattered about, usually presided over by VALIANT musicians who produce good music = against ALL odds, with a MINISCULE budget. There is a VERY thin string of parishes = across the Midwest, many founded by German Benedictine missionaries, who DO = treasure good liturgy and good music. But, sad to say, they are the exception.   At the Cathedral in San Bernardino, CA, out of something like NINE Masses = on a weekend, only TWO are with organ, and ONE with choir ... ALL the rest are = with bands of varying combinations of instruments. Having done a very nice = Missa Cantata in Spanish with choir and organ at one point, I innocently asked = why BOTH of the Spanish Masses HAD to be mariachi Masses. They looked at me like I = was loco. Oh, and the "keyboard player" makes $50 a Mass, for preparing NINE = Masses in TWO languages. Yeah, right ...   What you will find in the average RC parish church is a praise band (or, = failing that, an electronic keyboard) and the "Gather" hymnal (if indeed they've = risen to THAT from the disposable Oregon Catholic Press drivel). The "choir" Mass = (if there is one) will have been shoved away in a corner somewhere, and God = FORBID that the parish should spend any money on it OR the organ OR the organist.   The American RC church prior to Vatican II was pretty dreary, but at least = you had at least the POSSIBILITY, if you could raise the forces, of doing good = music (though the Pastor in my first RC job FORBADE the use of Gregorian Chant, = and that was well BEFORE English and the Vatican Council).   Cheers,   Bud, who worked for the RCs for close to thirty years before finally = giving up and going back to the Anglicans   DRAWKNOB@aol.com wrote:   > In a message dated 1/24/00 12:11:14 PM Central Standard Time, > the_maitre@hotmail.com writes: > > << nasty rumors are also > started by self-righteous members of the RC congregation thinking that = Bach > or Vierne is beyond their mental scope and think that they can better = direct > the music program with their selection of "Be Not Afraid"! > Indeed we real organist have much to be afraid of! When members of the > (usually) musically non-competent congregation are more highly regarded = than > a competent musician. >>   John writes:   > This comment is rather disturbing to me. Not being a "RC" perhaps I = lack > some insight; however, it seems to me that this is a rather = condescending > view of parishioners. At times I have been accused of being "snooty", = if not > worse, but -- aren't the parishioners really our employers? Making a = living > in church music is like walking a very fine line and it's a task which = one > must master rather quickly in orders to make a go of it. It is = essential to > be able to juggle the desires of parishioners, the clergy, and our own > musical agendi. For without that ability we will surely be doomed. >