PipeChat Digest #1489 - Monday, July 3, 2000
 
The Last A-S (Grand Forks, ND)
  by "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net>
Big Pipe Organ For Sale
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
Fw: Making Historical Giants (Ocean grove)
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
PipeChat IRC is on tonight.
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@post.queensu.ca>
RE: Baaahstun Symphony Hall =C6-S /   Cincinn	ati's vanished Hook/Austin
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
Re: The Last A-S (Grand Forks, ND)
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Fw: Making Historical Giants (Ocean grove)
  by "Colin Hulme" <colin_hulme@lineone.net>
Fw: Fw: Making Historical Giants (Ocean grove)
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Temple Baptist/Philharmonic Hall LA
  by <Steskinner@aol.com>
Re: Baaahstun Symphony Hall =C6-S /   Cincinnati's vanished Hook/Austin
  by <TRACKELECT@cs.com>
Re: Baaahstun Symphony Hall =C6-S /   Cincinnati's  vanished Hook/Austin
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Baaahstun Symphony Hall =C6-S /     Cincinnati's  vanished Hook/Austi
  by "Evelyn Rowe" <efrowe@mindspring.com>
Re: The Last A-S (Grand Forks, ND)
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: The Last A-S (Grand Forks, ND)
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Baaahstun Symphony Hall =90-S /  Cincinnati's vanished Hook/Austin
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
Re:  Re: Baaahstun Symphony Hall =C6-S /     Cincinnati's  vanished Hook/
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Baaahstun Symphony Hall =C6-S /       Cincinnati's  vanished Hook/Aus
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Baaahstun Symphony Hall =C6-S /
  by <DudelK@aol.com>
Re: Baaahstun Symphony Hall =C6-S /   Cincinnati's vanished Hook/Austin
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Baaahstun Symphony Hall =C6-S /   Cincinnati's vanished Hook/Austin
  by <TRACKELECT@cs.com>
Re: Baaahstun Symphony Hall =C6-S /       Cincinnati's  vanished Hook/Aus
  by "Hugh Drogemuller" <lon.hdrogemuller@wwdc.com>
 


(back) Subject: The Last A-S (Grand Forks, ND) From: "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 07:06:28 -0400   A couple of weeks ago, I asked the list about interesting instruments in Grand Forks, ND, and discovered that it was the home of the last Aeolian-Skinner (Opus 1533, 1971, 3M) built by Aeolian-Skinner (later instruments were taken over by other builders). It is in the First Presbyterian Church, in the building they put up after the disastrous = flood of three years ago. The instrument itself was not damaged, and the church is very proud of it; they've put a fair amount of money into it, mostly into updating the electronics with a multi-level combination system and a transposer. They want to add a Trompette to the Swell, which would improve balance (I hope that they would have the Hautbois taken in a notch at the same time- it's pretty strong, to make up for the lack of a Trompette, and is hardly the kind of Hautbois one would draw with the Fonds 8). The = pastor was happy to let me come in and play, and I found the instrument in pretty good shape, a couple of dropped stoppers in pedal pipes notwithstanding. The sound is quite clear and articulate, but a little thin on the bottom, as one might expect from the date. Stoplist at: = http://www.uwm.edu/~slayden/   I had also been recommended to the Casavant in the United Lutheran Church, which seems like a nice instrument; the organist was out of town for the weekend, and I was not allowed to play it. It also made it through the flood undamaged, and has been moved from the front of the church to the back. A member of the congregation told me that it doesn't quite have the projection that it had in its old location, and that they had recently replaced the facade pipes due to sagging feet. For interest, the spec follows:   Casavant Freres Opus 2790, 1964 3M, 49R United Lutheran Church, Grand Forks, ND mechanical key and stop action, 58/32 Entire organ unenclosed.   Hauptwerk   Quintadena 16 Principal 8 Rohrflo"te 8 Octave 4 Spitzflo"te 4 Quinte 2 2/3 Octave 2 Mixtur VI Trompete 8   Positiv   Metallgedeckt 8 Principal 4 Gedacktflo"te 4 Gemshorn 2 Sifflo"te 1 Sesquialtera II Scharf IV Krummhorn 8 Tremulant   Brustwerk   Holzgedeckt 8 Rohrflo"te 4 Principal 2 Waldflo"te 2 Quinte 1 1/3 Terzian II Zimbel IV Holzregal 8 Zimbelstern Tremulant   Pedal   Principal 16 Subbass 16 Octavebass 8 Subbass 8 Choralbass 4 Nachthorn 2 Posaune 16 Trompete 8 Schalmei 4   Couplers:   Bw/Hw, Pos/Hw Hw/Ped, Pos/Ped, Bw/Ped (also on toe levers)   3 unlabelled toe levers (some sort of combination/machine stops?)               http://www.sover.net/~popel      
(back) Subject: Big Pipe Organ For Sale From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 08:03:55 -0500   The following was sent to the Admin address for posting on this list. Please, if you are interested, respond to <Faz299@cs.com> and NOT to the sending address.   It was also posted by Brian Tricoli on PIPORG-L. His posting included some more info so I am adding part of his post in this one.   I hope everyone will have a happy and safe Fourth.   David ******************************** Re: Big Pipe Organ For Sale To: admin@pipechat.org From Faz299@cs.com Date: 7/1/00   Gentlemen,   I have the workings of a 200-300 voice pipe organ that I would like to = sell quickly. If you know of anyone who might be interested, please have them e-mail me at Faz299@cs.com.   I have found nearly everything except the keyboard. Some parts are still = in boxes and some are damaged. But there is tons of it.   I need the space that it is taking up in my barn. If I get no response indicating interest within a few weeks, it will go to the dump.   Sincerely, Faz299@cs.com ******************************** ADDED INFO FROM PIPORG-L POSTING   In a message dated 07/02/2000 11:26:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, FAZ299@cs.com writes:   << Re: Big Pipe Orgn For Sale To: brian@onlineorganist.com From Faz299@cs.com Date: 7/01/00   Brian,   I have recently purchased a property with a house and barn in Central = New Jersey, from a retired Organ Builder and piano tuner.   In trying to use the barn, I discovered the greater majority of a = 200-300 voice pipe organ. The pipes range in size from the size of a cheap toy whistle to nearly eight feet in length. There are hundreds of feet of handmade ducts, wooden junction boxes, electric bellows, a big blower (works), the original electric motor, miles of relay wire, cables, the keyboard covers, console lights - in short, I have found everything but = the keyboards. (And I wouldn't rule that out as the archaeology continues.)   Some pieces are still in boxes, some pieces are damaged. But there are = an awful lot of all of them.   I want to use my barn. I would like to sell all of this organ and = quickly. If you know of anyone who might be interested, please e-mail me at Faz299@cs.com.   If no one is interested in the next few weeks, it will go to the dump. = I'd love to hear it sing, but it's just simple space economics.   I hope to talk to you soon.   Sincerely, Faz299@cs.com ********************************************** **************************************** David Scribner Co-Owner / Technical Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org 850-478-9635 mailto:david@blackiris.com  
(back) Subject: Fw: Making Historical Giants (Ocean grove) From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 09:37:41 -0500   DesertBob- Yeah his hair IS kinda wild. Woulda fit more if Jones-ee was = at an Estey cash-register console. Sometimes those push-buttons would short-circuit ya!   Rick     ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Scarborough <desertbob@rglobal.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2000 9:36 PM Subject: Re: Making Historical Giants (Ocean grove)     > At 10:18 PM 7/2/2000 -0500, you wrote: > >I understand Jones-ee put in a Tuba on 25-inches also. I think I have = the > >origional stoplist in one of my books (The Recent Revolution In Organ > >Building) PLUS a pic of Mr Jones at the console.<snip> > > Now, THERE'S a sight to behold! I think he pioneered the "Don King" = look, > years ahead of its time... > > DeserTBoB > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: PipeChat IRC is on tonight. From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 10:47:28 -0400   Hi, PipeChatters,   PipeChat IRC is again going live this evening, as it always does on Monday and Friday evenings.   I shall not be there as we are hosting guests for the weekend, and we are proposing to go out for dinner this evening. As my fancy is to go to the Trinity House in Gananoque, (in the middle of the Thousand Islands), I = doubt that we shall be back at a reasonable hour!   However, you will be in capable hands with David and Tim at the helm!   For further information about how to get on board with PipeChat IRC, go to our Web page:   http://www.pipechat.org   Have fun, and a Happy Fourth of July to all our American friends.   Bob Conway    
(back) Subject: RE: Baaahstun Symphony Hall =C6-S / Cincinn ati's vanished Hook/Austin From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 10:26:35 -0500   Michael Murray recorded the Dupre symphony for organ and orchestra in the RAH a few years ago (Telarc; includes a Rheinberger concerto as well). There's a cut at the end with Michael chatting with the curator that includes the sound of the wind system coming on.   Peter   I think Dupre wrote some, but I'm not sure... although I'd be willing to gamble that I'd like his work.   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: The Last A-S (Grand Forks, ND) From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 11:47:50 -0400   > From: Paul Opel <popel@sover.net> > Subject: The Last A-S (Grand Forks, ND) > > I had also been recommended to the Casavant in the United Lutheran = Church, > which seems like a nice instrument; the organist was out of town for the > weekend, and I was not allowed to play it. It also made it through the > flood undamaged, and has been moved from the front of the church to the > back. A member of the congregation told me that it doesn't quite have = the > projection that it had in its old location,   Paul, I can't say for sure, but I don't THINK that organ was ever up = front, but was built for the rear gallery position. The late-20s beast that preceded it was, of course, up front, and almost no matter how bad a thing it might have been it would have had awesome projection into the congregation, as it was (as I recall; haven't seen it since 1946) pretty much spread all across the front of the very wide (but shallow) chancel. = As I recall, the rear gallery is quite some distance above the main = floor--but then, I was only 14 when I was last there.   Alan (whose mom-to-be was parish secretary there back when the church was built)   P.S.: Roger Petrich, RC organist/composer in Carbondale, Ill., will remember the details MUCH better    
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: Making Historical Giants (Ocean grove) From: "Colin Hulme" <colin_hulme@lineone.net> Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 18:34:43 +0100       VEAGUE wrote: > > DesertBob- Yeah his hair IS kinda wild.   I've never seen a picture of DesertBob so I cant comment.<vbg>   Cheers,   Colin.  
(back) Subject: Fw: Fw: Making Historical Giants (Ocean grove) From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 15:35:25 -0500   Oh Geeze....what a line!   Rick     ----- Original Message ----- From: Colin Hulme <colin_hulme@lineone.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, July 03, 2000 12:34 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Making Historical Giants (Ocean grove)     > > > VEAGUE wrote: > > > > DesertBob- Yeah his hair IS kinda wild. > > I've never seen a picture of DesertBob so I cant comment.<vbg> > > Cheers, > > Colin. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Temple Baptist/Philharmonic Hall LA From: <Steskinner@aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 16:41:22 EDT   In a message dated 7/2/00 2:23:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, desertbob@rglobal.net writes:   << After completion of the Dorothy Chandler Pavilion in 1964, the Philharmonic was abandoned and leased long-term to a slowly dispersing Baptist congregation. >>   I was under the impression that Temple Baptist built and owned the = building, and that the Philharmonic leased from them. Ralph Carmichael was music director there for a time, I believe. Do I have it all backwards?   Steve Skinner  
(back) Subject: Re: Baaahstun Symphony Hall =C6-S / Cincinnati's vanished Hook/Austin From: <TRACKELECT@cs.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 19:14:53 EDT   Bruce: I'm sorry if I have offended you by painting you with too broad a brush. Besides, I'm basically a grouch anyway. You do have a reputation as a 'tracker head'. You are right I don't always read your (or any one else's) =   posts with as much care as I should but lately I have been too busy = cleaning up after 'Baroqueists' who have royally buggered up a previously wonderful =   19'th century organ. I too used to hate 20th century music but learned to appreciate all good music. I can understand how Messiaen can be just as annoying to some people as is a "period" organ with unstable low wind pressure and screaming mixtures to others. However, my main point is tolerance and understanding of all musics. I have known and have been = forced to work with some incredibly intolerant people over the years, the worst = of whom was a guy who was slowly building an organ in his barn. No swell box, = no celestes, no strings, flat 25 note pedal. All block planed wood work. = Ultra low, shaky wind. Any organ that we worked on that was anything but this = ideal was CRAP to him. Any music that was composed after 1750 was unlistenable. = He barely tolerated Bach! Beethoven-total cacophony! There are more crack = pots like him out there than you would think! They aren't too unlike the unibomber. I'm still waiting for the headline that he has gone postal. I'm =   glad that there aren't any of them on this list and I'm sorry if I have transferred my aggression to Mr. Beagle. But if there are any of you = baroque nuts out there who are planning to wreak havoc on helpless organs let me = know and I'll really let you have it.   Alan B.  
(back) Subject: Re: Baaahstun Symphony Hall =C6-S / Cincinnati's vanished Hook/Austin From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 20:11:40 EDT   In a message dated 7/3/00 3:01:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, elmsr@albanyis.com.au writes: I wrote: The only modern O/O pieces that come to mind are the Copland piece which = is probably the ONLY piece of his that i really like, and Poulenc.   Bob Elms responded: There were many others. I heard a Guilmant Concerto for organ and = orchestra the other day - a massive work, and not his only work of this kind. Richard Strauss wrote some, William Lovelock was another. The works are there if only = someone would play them.. As for organ music of scale, would you discount the works of Dupre, Messiaen, Alain, Pedr, Howells, Vaughn Willliams, Thiman, Willan, Lloyd Webber, and =   others of like ilk? I wouldn't! Matbe their works don't go on and on for 15-20 minutes but that could be a plus as far as the public is concerned. I don't consider Guilmant or Strauss modern; I'm not familiar with Lovelock. I also don't consider Howells, Vaughan Williams, Willan or Thiman contemporary. We were discussing music for organ and orchestra. = I've not heard o/o works by Messiaen, Dupre, Alain or Webber, although i think that Dupre has written some.   I really wish that composers would stop writing such long pieces. Twelve = or fifteen minutes is a pretty good chunk of time even if the music is beautiful, such as the Franck Chorales. Longer needs excellent quality = to stand up.     Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: Baaahstun Symphony Hall =C6-S / Cincinnati's vanished Hook/Austin From: "Evelyn Rowe" <efrowe@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 20:36:34 -0400   At 08:11 PM 7/3/00 -0400, Bruce wrote: > >I really wish that composers would stop writing such long pieces. Twelve = or >fifteen minutes is a pretty good chunk of time even if the music is >beautiful, such as the Franck Chorales. Longer needs excellent quality = to >stand up.   About 5-10 years ago, it seemed as though every recital program included the Liszt "Ad Nos." Once or twice was plenty, thank you very much. 3 years ago, when the Region III Convention was here, the big thing seemed = to be late 19-th-c. "mystical Germans who [play] from 10 to 4" -- long, loud pieces comparable to Franck and Liszt but without the variety. Mickey Thomas Terry played one such from memory on the large Schantz at Foundry UMC: it must have gone on for 20 minutes.   Since I don't have the reach or the technique to play that stuff anyway, I haven't had to make a decision about whether to spend time on something I'll never ever get to play in public -- at the church where I do the Saturday Vigil Mass, I'll be playing anything over one page when they're turning the lights out in the church.   Evie  
(back) Subject: Re: The Last A-S (Grand Forks, ND) From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 20:44:18 EDT   In a message dated 7/3/00 7:40:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, = popel@sover.net writes:   << They want to add a Trompette to the Swell, which would improve balance (I hope that they would have the Hautbois taken in a notch at the same time- it's pretty strong, to make up for the lack of a Trompette, = and is hardly the kind of Hautbois one would draw with the Fonds 8). The = pastor was happy to let me come in and play, and I found the instrument in = pretty good shape, a couple of dropped stoppers in pedal pipes notwithstanding. The sound is quite clear and articulate, but a little thin on the bottom, as one might expect from the date. Stoplist at: = http://www.uwm.edu/~slayden/ >>   Interesting... a moderately strange (although typical of the times) stoplist. I noticed in looking over other instruments on the list in = the same period, that it seems strings were not included toward the "end". = How sad that some of their best stops were not to be included in these instruments. I found it strange as well that the organ would have 16 8 and 4 = Hautbois, that were listed as three independent ranks. Could this be a misprint? = I'm still of the opinion that if I can only have one reed in the Swell I'd = prefer it to be an Hautbois/Oboe. This is one of those times when I would lean toward making = additions/changes, even to an instrument that would be considered historic, although because this is the very last A-S, perhaps it should be left "as is."   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: The Last A-S (Grand Forks, ND) From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 20:45:58 EDT   In a message dated 7/3/00 7:40:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, = popel@sover.net writes:   << I had also been recommended to the Casavant in the United Lutheran = Church, which seems like a nice instrument; the organist was out of town for the weekend, and I was not allowed to play it. >>   This is very sad, not to mention inconsiderate. I thought that this attitude was disappearing. It isn't always possible to make arrangements = in advance.   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: Baaahstun Symphony Hall =90-S / Cincinnati's vanished Hook/Austin From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 20:03:39 -0500   TRACKELECT@cs.com wrote: > > Bruce:   > I'm sorry if I have offended you by painting you with too broad a brush. > Besides, I'm basically a grouch anyway. You do have a reputation as a > 'tracker head'. You are right I don't always read your (or any one = else's) > posts with as much care as I should but lately I have been too busy = cleaning > up after 'Baroqueists' who have royally buggered up a previously = wonderful > 19'th century organ.   Forgive me for speaking for Bruce, but I was under the impression that he shared your views on the undesirability of messing up previously wonderful nineteenth-century organs. I am of the same mind. In my opinion nothing better was ever created than the E. & G. G. Hook organs of the 1860's. Of course, nineteenth-century organs do somewhat tend to be trackers, so if you don't like trackers I imagine you would wish to mess them up by electrocuting them. Forgive me, therefore, for finding your comments a little inconsistent.   John Speller  
(back) Subject: Re: Re: Baaahstun Symphony Hall =C6-S / Cincinnati's vanished Hook/Austin From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 17:35:08   At 08:11 PM 7/3/2000 EDT, you wrote: >I really wish that composers would stop writing such long pieces. Twelve = or >fifteen minutes is a pretty good chunk of time even if the music is >beautiful, such as the Franck Chorales. Longer needs excellent quality = to >stand up.<snip>   One example that people say is "too long" is the Sowerby Symphony In G. The first movement is derided for its length. However, there is MUCH = going on in that time. Quite obviously, it absolutely cannot be performed on some tracker/stops-on-the-wall anachronism; a varied specification and every modern appliance yet devised has to be put to use to make it work. When registered properly on a large "American Classic"-type organ, it = works quite well, and holds the listener's attention for all of it's 20+ = minutes. The same could be said of the third movement, although it takes a LOT of doctoring to keep it interesting. A passacaglia, as obsolete a musical form as any, is tough to deal with under the best circumstances.   I've oft thought that the reason for the decline of the "organ symphony", as advanced by Vierne, Widor, and others, is the shortened attention span of the public, now used to 15 second blasts of audio and video to hawk product on the television. I can't remember the last time I heard anyone else in recital do any of these works in their entirety. Sure, one can "play the hits", such as flogging the Widor's Fifth Toccata to death solo YET again, but it takes quite an artist to hold a crowd's attention = through the whole work! Could it be the the failure of longer, multi-movement works is at least partially the fault of the performer, not all with the composer? Of course, a monotonal, boring, overly small organ will do a = lot of these works in before the first bar is played!   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: Baaahstun Symphony Hall =C6-S / Cincinnati's vanished Hook/Austin From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 17:49:10   At 08:36 PM 7/3/2000 -0400, you wrote: >the big thing seemed to >be late 19-th-c. "mystical Germans who [play] from 10 to 4" -- long, loud >pieces comparable to Franck and Liszt but without the variety.<snip>   Hmmmmm...doesn't Schmidt fit that description, also? hehehehehe!   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: Baaahstun Symphony Hall =C6-S / From: <DudelK@aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 21:19:20 EDT   In a message dated 7/3/00 8:32:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, efrowe@mindspring.com writes:   << Mickey Thomas Terry played one such from memory on the large Schantz at Foundry UMC: it must have gone on for 20 minutes. >> Last I heard Foundry had a Casavant. Perhaps you're confusing it with the instrument of uncertain pedigree with a Schantz console at St. Luke's Episcopal about a block from Foundry?   DudelK Washington, DC  
(back) Subject: Re: Baaahstun Symphony Hall =C6-S / Cincinnati's vanished Hook/Austin From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 21:24:28 EDT   In a message dated 7/3/00 7:15:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, = TRACKELECT@cs.com writes:   << I'm sorry if I have offended you by painting you with too broad a = brush. >> Oh! Did I give you the impression I was offended??? Garsh!   << Besides, I'm basically a grouch anyway.>> It's a gift!! I have it too!   << You do have a reputation as a 'tracker head'. You are right I don't always read your (or any one else's) posts with as much care as I should = but lately I have been too busy cleaning up after 'Baroqueists' who have = royally buggered up a previously wonderful 19'th century organ. >> MOI??? A tracker head??? Well, actually..... it's probably because it = is my preference, and I think it's the best way to build a pipe organ. = Also, because I'm a purist and think organs are better when they are built = adhering to a particular style, rather than being homogenized to do-at all styles, being true to none! However, when someone propose this idea, people = think there is only ONE style. Although, people do have favorite styles, too! = I do find it abhorrent that people would "bugger up" any instrument to alter a unique tonality.   <> I do find as I get older that my taste narrows, but I try to compensate by =   being tolerant. I have learned to appreciate some modern organ music, but = I don't want to be caught with the crowd admiring the Emporers' New Organ Symphony.   I think we're basically on the same track, just puffing a different color smoke! ;-)   Just as an aside, you might enjoy the following site (it's sort of short-resonator baroque!!!)... ya know, classical "gas"....   Point your cursor at each pooch to hear their "performance"! http://www.gibbleguts.com/fartingdog/fartingdogs.html   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: Baaahstun Symphony Hall =C6-S / Cincinnati's vanished Hook/Austin From: <TRACKELECT@cs.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 21:33:40 EDT   Yes, but tracker action isn't everything. What I have problems with are people who take the strings and cut them down to 2' stops and put in cut = down Gambas as a poor 4' Principal in place of a perfectly good 4' Gemshorn. = All this in a tiny 1880 church. The new organist (classically trained) refused = to use these stops. They made the congregation hold their ears. Even though I =   build electric action instruments I would never think of "electrocuting" = an instrument like this. Furthermore, I have had ample opportunity to "electrocute" old organs and have not. My point is and shall remain that I =   intensely dislike intolerance of unfamiliar musical styles. While recently =   talking to a friend about how vandals had destroyed an organ in an = unattended high school auditorium I commented that ignorant people destroy what they can't understand. If you don't like modern music (or baroque music or Viennese classical, etc.) just say that you don't like it. Don't say that = it stinks. This is what I expect from my sixteen year old daughter and her friends. But I don't blame them, they are young and ignorant. If you don't =   understand something, destroy it. If you can't destroy it, mock it.   Alan B  
(back) Subject: Re: Baaahstun Symphony Hall =C6-S / Cincinnati's vanished Hook/Austin From: "Hugh Drogemuller" <lon.hdrogemuller@wwdc.com> Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 21:41:32 -0400   At 20:36 03/07/2000 -0400, Evie wrote: > Mickey Thomas Terry played one such from memory on the large Schantz = at > Foundry >UMC: (SNIP) I am being a little picky , but isn't the organ in Foundry UMC in DC a Casavant?   HD