PipeChat Digest #1492 - Wednesday, July 5, 2000
 
Re: Baaahstun Symphony Hall =C6-S /     Cincinnati'svanished Hook/Austin
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re:  Re: Baaahstun Symphony Hall =C6-S /       Cincinnati'svanished Hook/
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Baaahstun Symphony Hall =C6-S /  	Cincinnati'svanished Hook/Austin
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: Baaahstun Symphony Hall =C6-S /   Cincinnati'svanished Hook/Austin
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
[Fwd: Question - xposted]
  by <thoehn@theatreorgans.com>
Cantate Domino
  by "Chris Johns" <Chris_Johns@gmx.de>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Baaahstun Symphony Hall =C6-S / Cincinnati'svanished Hook/Austin From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 22:54:28 EDT   In a message dated 7/4/00 2:29:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, desertbob@rglobal.net writes:   << A number of "tracker" instruments have benefited by electrocution, as = you call it, >due to the fact that they were so ponderous to play they would have all = but >disappeared if they hadn't been.<snip> Thank you! (TTHHHBBBTTTHHHHH) ;-)   In WHOSE opinion were they so ponderous to play? The people who were = going to electrocute them would certainly say so, as would those who just had to =   have their favorite trendy work done. It's really a shame that such a magnificent and historic instrument was lost forever. NO ONE can say = that it wouldn't have survived. Speculation is a waste of time!     >Its what saved the Methuen organ, although A-S. >my employer at one time, gutted it and destroyed its historical significance, >although creating an interesting instrument in a spectacular case and building.<snip> True enough. It's easy to quarterback while watching game playbacks, but in 1948, the historical movement hadn't yet caught hold. Although the original tonality of the original instrument was lost forever, I doubt anyone could say that Harrison's Methuen rebuild was a disaster. Kudos = to all involed back then for retaining the imposing casework! It's quite an interesting instrument, and quite capable of performing literature from various schools, as is the Symphony Hall organ. >> But is is really a shame that such a fine instrument had to be sacrificed = on a whim. I haven't heard this instrument yet, but have not heard a GDH = that is significantly better than a Hook, Johnson, Stevens, or Hutchings of quality.   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: Re: Baaahstun Symphony Hall =C6-S / Cincinnati'svanished Hook/Austin From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 20:26:41   At 10:54 PM 7/4/2000 EDT, bReWsE the TrAcKeRhEaD wrote: >In WHOSE opinion were they so ponderous to play? The people who were going >to electrocute them would certainly say so, as would those who just had = to >have their favorite trendy work done. It's really a shame that such a >magnificent and historic instrument was lost forever. NO ONE can say = that >it wouldn't have survived. Speculation is a waste of time!<snip>   I don't rely upon speculation or personal preferences. Research into the Boston Hall/Methuen organ indicates that it was indeed ridiculously heavy of touch (as are all oversized trackers) and was somewhat tonally lacking and of unreliable wind. The pipework at Methuen wasn't completely gutted, of course; some was retained and reused, although much new tonality was added, as were modern appliances, windinn and action. It's an unusual, interesting instrument in an unusual, interesting setting, and I would hazard to guess from what has been written and said that the organ is better for the 1948 rebuild, as is the Mormon organ. The proof lies in several successful recordings and recitals at Methuen, as well as continuous use of the Mormon organ since that time.   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: Baaahstun Symphony Hall =C6-S / Cincinnati'svanished Hook/Austin From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 14:41:50 +0800   Aaaaah! Come on Bruce, I have tried some 19th Century trackers that needed = the arms of a blacksmith to press the keys. The advantage of sensitivity and responsiveness of touch doesn't exist in such instruments and electrifying = them at least makes them easily playable. There is nothing wrong with the = pipework, it is purely the mechanical action. OK blame the builders, but it doesn't = alter the fact that they are improved by the "electrocution". Such examples are far = from rare. You can hardly say that such instruments are "lost" There is no = difference in the sound unless the pipework is altered. "Lost"? Maybe "found"! Bob E.   Cremona502@cs.com wrote:   > In a message dated 7/4/00 2:29:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > desertbob@rglobal.net writes: > > << A number of "tracker" instruments have benefited by electrocution, as = you > call it, > >due to the fact that they were so ponderous to play they would have = all but > >disappeared if they hadn't been.<snip> > > Thank you! (TTHHHBBBTTTHHHHH) ;-) > > In WHOSE opinion were they so ponderous to play? The people who were = going > to electrocute them would certainly say so, as would those who just had = to > have their favorite trendy work done. It's really a shame that such a > magnificent and historic instrument was lost forever. NO ONE can say = that > it wouldn't have survived. Speculation is a waste of time! > > > >Its what saved the Methuen organ, although A-S. > >my employer at one time, gutted it and destroyed its historical > significance, > >although creating an interesting instrument in a spectacular case and > building.<snip> > > True enough. It's easy to quarterback while watching game playbacks, = but > in 1948, the historical movement hadn't yet caught hold. Although the > original tonality of the original instrument was lost forever, I doubt > anyone could say that Harrison's Methuen rebuild was a disaster. Kudos = to > all involed back then for retaining the imposing casework! It's quite = an > interesting instrument, and quite capable of performing literature from > various schools, as is the Symphony Hall organ. > >> > But is is really a shame that such a fine instrument had to be = sacrificed on > a whim. I haven't heard this instrument yet, but have not heard a GDH = that > is significantly better than a Hook, Johnson, Stevens, or Hutchings of > quality. > > Bruce > . . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles > Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com > HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502 > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   -- ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/      
(back) Subject: Re: Baaahstun Symphony Hall =C6-S / Cincinnati'svanished Hook/Austin From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 03:38:12 EDT   In a message dated 7/5/00 2:48:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, elmsr@albanyis.com.au writes:   << I have tried some 19th Century trackers that needed the arms of a blacksmith to press the keys. The advantage of sensitivity and responsiveness of touch doesn't exist in such instruments and = electrifying them at least makes them easily playable. There is nothing wrong with the pipework, it is purely the mechanical action. OK blame the builders, but it doesn't = alter the fact that they are improved by the "electrocution". Such examples are far =   from rare. You can hardly say that such instruments are "lost" There is no difference in the sound unless the pipework is altered. "Lost"? Maybe "found"! >>   Well, I play a modern tracker that has very stiff action, but I still = prefer than over the impersonal electric. But that's my preference. It just gripes me that people can't leave organs alone. You don't see tracker = people being intolerant, running around ripping out magnets to trackers electric action organs. Occasionally, those electricuted are restored! After = all, turn about is fair play!   Once the alterations start, such as Methuen, the organ IS in effect, lost! = Even with the "restorative" work done recently at the Mormon Tabernacle, = GDH pipework was REMOVED and other pipework altered. I think the "new" = sound of the MoTab is disappointing, personally. I recently read of a new = organ (don't remember which one) that contained pipework recently removed from MoTab. That's just not right IMHO!   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: [Fwd: Question - xposted] From: <thoehn@theatreorgans.com> Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 03:45:58 -0400           > My Fellow Pipechatters - - - > > I may be making a trip upto Eau Claire, WI in mid-September and was = wondering > if there are any theatre organs that I might play while in that area.... > > Thanx in advance..... > > Tom      
(back) Subject: Cantate Domino From: "Chris Johns" <Chris_Johns@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 22:33:31 +0200   >Many thanks! This is what happens when you come up with a name totally = off the top >of your head. Cantate Dominum sounded familiar and "classy" - but then = as we later >started looking at texts, we began to get suspicious that our grammar was faulty. >(Should'a stuck with English and German)   >Henceforth - "Cantate Domino" it is! And they are, and quite = beautifully, if I do >say so myself. :-)     We had a similar debate when looking for a name for the European Chamber Choir. My first choice was "Canticum Novum", but I wasn't sure if that was = a accusative or not. I was (hopefully reliably) informed that this form is also the nominative. Perhaps someone could correct me if this is not the case before we make fools of ourselves!     Chris Johns Musical Assistant, Osnabrueck Cathedral Frankenstrasse 5, D-49082 Osnabrueck Tel/Fax +49 (0)541 528 2568 EMail: Chris_Johns@gmx.de