PipeChat Digest #1495 - Friday, July 7, 2000
 
Re: Baaahstun Symphony Hall =C6-S /  	Cincinnati'svanished Hook/Austin
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: them thar tractors and such
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Ann Landers substitutes for Pipechat...
  by <KriderSM@aol.com>
Re: Baaahstun Symphony Hall =C6-S /   Cincinnati'svanished Hook/Austin
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
RE: Baaahstun Symphony Hall =C6-S /  Cincinna	ti'svanished Hook/Austin
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
Ann Landers in Beagleland  ti'svanished Hook/Austin
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: Ann Landers in Beagleland
  by "Randy Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: Ann Landers in Beagleland
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Baaahstun Symphony Hall =C6-S /   Cincinnati'svanished Hook/Austin
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Ann Landers in Beagleland
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Ann Landers in Beagleland
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
RE: Ann Landers in Beagleland
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
Re: [TubaEuph] Lead-free?
  by <TRACKELECT@cs.com>
Re: [TubaEuph] Lead-free?
  by "Dave G." <dave_hat@hotmail.com>
Re: [TubaEuph] Lead-free?
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Recital Announcement
  by "Brent Johnson" <bmjohns@fgi.net>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Baaahstun Symphony Hall =C6-S / Cincinnati'svanished Hook/Austin From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 19:39:55 +0800   Come on Bruce!! The action on these instruments was heavy from new. How = would "restoring" them make the action easier? You would have to redesign the = complete action and rebuild the organ and who would stand for that? It would cost a fortune.   OK you'll never be convinced, but there it is! I don't share your = enthusiasm for most tracker actions that I have played especially in the larger = instruments.   Bob E.   Cremona502@cs.com wrote:   > In a message dated 7/5/00 10:55:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > elmsr@albanyis.com.au writes: > > << My comment was that some tracker organs are so difficult to play = because > of the heavy action that electrifying them could be said to improve them = from > the player's point of view. >> > But, even so... wouldn't it make more sense to spend the money, = reworking > the action to restore it and properly regulating it. Electrocution is = just > soooooooooooooo barbaric!!! ;-) > > Bruce > . . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles > Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com > HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502 > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   -- ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/      
(back) Subject: Re: them thar tractors and such From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 19:43:43 +0800   I know nothing about tracker organs built in the USA those I have tried = were built in the UK in the 19th Century or in Australia in recent years. Most = of the latter are light enough with a couple of notable exceptions among the larger instruments. My remarks were concerning those instruments. Bob E.   quilisma@socal.rr.com wrote:   > NOTE: for those who already read this on OrganChat, my apologies ... I > can never remember what argument is going on where (grin). I believe > it's called "A Senior Moment" ... > > ************************************************* > > OK, folks, let's bring some balance to this discussion (grin). > > First of all, it's not fair to criticize ALL trackers on the basis of a > FEW. MOST 19th century trackers up to a certain size had light, > responsive key action; beyond a certain size, builders like Hook and > Hasting had the wit to add the pneumatic lever to the Great, so you > COULD play comfortably with the manuals coupled. And a fair number of > 19th century organs had pallet springs added by lazy organ cobblers who > didn't want to bother with adjusting the action, so they AREN'T in their > > original state. > > ALL the Koehnken & Grimm organs I played in the Cincinnati area had > light, plucky key action ... yes, it was heavier with the manuals > coupled, but why should we be the only musicians who think they > shouldn't have to exert more effort in order to get more sound out of > their instruments?? > > There are situations where straight tracker action is appropriate ... > most smaller two-manual organs, for instance. There are also instances > where the space available requires electric action. Some tracker > builders aren't fond of building detached consoles in situations where > the organist is also choirmaster, but they CAN do it, and they CAN keep > the key action light. > > Fisk is building some kind of pneumatic servo that can be applied (or > not, at the choice of the player) to the coupler action of larger > three-manual organs. I don't think that's inappropriate. > > It also depends on the tonal scheme of the organ ... a three-manual > organ in the French romantic style is INTENDED to be played MOST of the > time with all three manuals coupled ... I would want some kind of > pneumatic assist on such an organ. An organ in German baroque style, on > the other hand, would normally only require that the Positiv and > Hauptwerk be coupled on occasion. > > There are good and bad modern trackers ... the four-manual Beckerath in > Cleveland was a milestone, but it DOES play like a Mack truck with THREE > > manuals coupled ... I don't think the fourth manual (Kronwerk) couples > to anything. BUT, *two* manuals coupled was PLENTY for most things. > > On the other hand, the Fritts-Richards in San Diego is quite comfortable > > to play with all three manuals coupled. > > The problem with electrocuting trackers is that it's seldom done well > ... there are at least three organs on Organ Clearing House's website > currently that are candidates for re-trackerization or re-electrocution > because the original attempt failed in fairly short order, AND the > churches abandoned those > organs, NOT because of the original tracker action, but because of the > failed electric action. > > Cheers, > > Bud > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   -- ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/      
(back) Subject: Ann Landers substitutes for Pipechat... From: <KriderSM@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 10:22:20 EDT   Bruce Cornley (doesn't that name ring a bell?) was featured in the Ann Landers column in today's Columbus (OH) Dispatch. Bruce spoke against "mother-of-the-bride induced" wedding theatrics during a solemn ceremony = in a sacred sanctuary.   Your letter also expressed my views, Bruce. One who gets married in the church, any church, ought to repect that church's beliefs. Otherwise, do = as my son did, get married in a public hall, any hall, and plan the ceremony around whatever the bride, er, bride's mother, wants to have done.   Stan Krider  
(back) Subject: Re: Baaahstun Symphony Hall =C6-S / Cincinnati'svanished Hook/Austin From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 10:59:30 EDT   In a message dated 7/6/00 7:52:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, elmsr@albanyis.com.au writes:   << OK you'll never be convinced, but there it is! I don't share your enthusiasm for most tracker actions that I have played especially in the larger = instruments. >> In addition, "heavy action" is relative. I have friends who complain = about Wicks key action being heavy. Some people LIKE heavy action. It's the difference between playing a spinnette and a good concert grand.   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: RE: Baaahstun Symphony Hall =C6-S / Cincinna ti'svanished Hook/Austin From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 11:21:55 -0500   Were you reall in Ann Landers's column? Or has someone purchased the = rights to your list name?   Do the dogs know about this?   P   -----Original Message----- From: Cremona502@cs.com [mailto:Cremona502@cs.com] Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 10:00 AM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: Baaahstun Symphony Hall =C6-S / Cincinnati'svanished Hook/Austin     In a message dated 7/6/00 7:52:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time,=20 elmsr@albanyis.com.au writes:   << OK you'll never be convinced, but there it is! I don't share your=20 enthusiasm for most tracker actions that I have played especially in the larger instruments. >> In addition, "heavy action" is relative. I have friends who complain = about   Wicks key action being heavy. Some people LIKE heavy action. It's = the=20 difference between playing a spinnette and a good concert grand.   Bruce=20 .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Ann Landers in Beagleland ti'svanished Hook/Austin From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 12:45:30 -0500   >Were you reall in Ann Landers's column? Or has someone purchased the = rights >to your list name? > >Do the dogs know about this? > >P   I wondered why my beagle had such an interest in the paper this AM. And there was Bruce Conely's name in Ann's column!   Usually my wife(organist-and-wedding-player)fight over the morning paper. Today it was three of us.   Well said, Bruce!   John V      
(back) Subject: Re: Ann Landers in Beagleland From: "Randy Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 15:06:01 -0500   Well said, Bruce! By the way, it's the first time I've ever seen a letter-writer's name given in an Ann Landers column (though I don't read it religiously).   If any of you don't get her column in your daily paper, it can be accessed (today only, I suppose) at http://www.zdaily.com/f1ann.htm Randy Runyon runyonr@muohio.edu Organist, Immanuel Presbyterian Church Cincinnati, Ohio  
(back) Subject: Re: Ann Landers in Beagleland From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 12:48:34   At 03:06 PM 7/6/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Well said, Bruce! By the way, it's the first time I've ever seen a >letter-writer's name given in an Ann Landers column (though I don't >read it religiously).<snip>   It happens from time to time. I'm sure Ann will have the print equivalent of a "flame war" in her mail now! Gotta give the ol' gal beaucoup credit...her column STILL reaches millions daily, and is as good today as it ever was.   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: Baaahstun Symphony Hall =C6-S / Cincinnati'svanished Hook/Austin From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 16:27:59 EDT   In a message dated 7/6/00 12:30:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pstorandt@okcu.edu writes:   << Were you reall in Ann Landers's column? Or has someone purchased the rights to your list name?   I've heard that someone wanted to purchase a contract on me, but not = rights to my name!!!! heeheehee T'were moi! I wrote that letter a year ago = and had forgotten about it until someone called this morning from down state = to say that he agreed with me. He then said that clergy made him angry = because they did things like say it was not ok for people to come to mass in = t-shirts and shorts. I told him I agreed with the clergy on that one and he said, =   "but God doesn't care." I reminded him that that was the same line = people used to have ucky stuff at weddings. He said he had to go!!! heeheehee Do the dogs know about this? >>   Of course. DAWGS NOSE ALL!!!!   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: Ann Landers in Beagleland From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 16:40:17 EDT   In a message dated 7/6/00 4:05:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, desertbob@rglobal.net writes:   I'm sure Ann will have the print equivalent of a "flame war" in her mail = now! Gotta give the ol' gal beaucoup credit...her column STILL reaches = millions daily, and is as good today as it ever was. >> Actually the flame war was a year ago! My letter was in response to it. Several clergy wrote in whining about how abused they were -- icch! I'd love to have a job like hers.   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: Ann Landers in Beagleland From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 16:41:29 EDT   In a message dated 7/6/00 4:08:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, runyonr@muohio.edu writes:   << it's the first time I've ever seen a letter-writer's name given in an Ann Landers column (though I don't read it religiously). >>   Thanks for writing, Randy. I sort of insisted on it with the final statement about not being a "whining coward hiding behind a collar." heeheehee   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: RE: Ann Landers in Beagleland From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 16:34:27 -0500   She's gonna retire someday soon; she's well into her 70s.   Peter   I'd love to have a job like hers.   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: [TubaEuph] Lead-free? From: <TRACKELECT@cs.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 18:43:46 EDT   In a message dated 7/6/00 4:04:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tubastuff@sydex.com writes:   << I saw an article today that mentioned that the EU will be banning lead in =   all products as of 2004. I assume that this includes lead-bearing solder = in brass instruments. >>   This is from a brass list. Does anyone know if organbuilders will be = exempt? Alan B  
(back) Subject: Re: [TubaEuph] Lead-free? From: "Dave G." <dave_hat@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 16:22:35 PDT     > I saw an article today that mentioned that the EU will be banning lead = in >all products as of 2004. I assume that this includes lead-bearing solder =   >in >brass instruments.   The EU is waaaaaaay ahead of the USA in terms of public health and safety, =   we should be emulating their enlightened society, rather than carping = about "excess government regulation", but....   Lead is a very useful material which is very safe in handled properly, I can't imagine a safer application than metal organ pipes, in fact.   DG   ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com    
(back) Subject: Re: [TubaEuph] Lead-free? From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 18:32:53   At 04:22 PM 7/6/2000 PDT, you wrote: >The EU is waaaaaaay ahead of the USA in terms of public health and = safety, >we should be emulating their enlightened society, rather than carping = about >"excess government regulation", but....<snip>   Corporate education campaigns make people think this way, and it relieves them of the need to think, a conservative/Big Business ideal.   >Lead is a very useful material which is very safe in handled properly, I >can't imagine a safer application than metal organ pipes, in fact.<snip>   Lead poisoning is quite serious. However, having handled solder products for 40 years, being tested, and having no lead found, I'd say it takes quite a bit more than "casual contact" with it to ingest it. However, lead/tin solder is now banned (at least in CA) for plumbing. Lead-free silver solder must be used. Lead is only dangerous when either ingested, as in the water supply, or injected into the blood stream, usually by an accidental puncture.   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: Recital Announcement From: "Brent Johnson" <bmjohns@fgi.net> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 00:05:07 -0500   This is a bit early, but I'm going away for a while, and won't be able to get to a computer to post this:   Saturday, July 22 at 4:00 in the afternoon, I will be playing a joint recital at First Methodist Church in Corsicana, Texas. Joining me on this recital is John Dill, organist of First Baptist Church in Denton, Texas. This recital is in celebration of the completion of the restoration and enhancement of the 1951 Moller / 1978 Schudi organ in this church. Because of the early post, the official program for this recital is not available, however, I'm quite sure the Bach Prelude and Fugue in D major (BWV 532) and the Mendelssohn 1st Sonata will be perfomed.   Thank you. Brent Johnson The Organ Web Ring http://www.organwebring.com The Theatre Organ Web Ring http://www.organwebring.com/theatre