PipeChat Digest #1506 - Wednesday, July 12, 2000
 
Re: Summer Recitals
  by "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net>
Max Drischner
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Re: Pfeifenorgel sound font
  by <steve@open-tech.com>
Re: "new" organ material
  by <support@opensystemsorgans.com>
Re: Peter Hurford
  by "Richard Pinel" <rpinelchat@musicman123.freeserve.co.uk>
Re: "new" organ material
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Peter Hurford
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Peter Hurford
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Performance Anxiety (was Re: Peter Hurford)
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net>
Celestes
  by "Ed Brown" <edbroorg@webtv.net>
Re: Celestes
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Celestes
  by <KurtvonS@aol.com>
Re: Celestes
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Celestes
  by <TRACKELECT@cs.com>
Re: Max Drischner
  by <Gamelpt@aol.com>
Re: Celestes
  by "Benjamin M. Baldus" <bbaldus@voyager.net>
Re: Celestes
  by "Ed Kolcz" <kolcz@prodigy.net>
Fw:  Celestes
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Celestes
  by "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com>
Fw: Celestes
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Celestes
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Performance Anxiety (was Re: Peter Hurford)
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Celestes
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Celestes
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Question 2nd request
  by <thoehn@theatreorgans.com>
Re: Celestes
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Celestes
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: Celestes
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: All in the April Evening
  by "Chris Johns" <Chris_Johns@gmx.de>
Trashy music
  by "Chris Johns" <Chris_Johns@gmx.de>
Re: All in the April Evening
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Summer Recitals From: "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 07:32:38 -0400   The First Methodist Church in North Adams (10 minutes from Billsville) has a noontime recital series on Fridays throughout the summer. The organ is a lovely, unaltered 3/26? EM Skinner. The church ladies put on a nice lunch afterwards.   Other nice instruments in town are in the First Congregational, Williamstown (Andover, designed by Fisk) and the Methodist Church in Williamstown (recently renovated 1m Johnson).   See my web page at: http://www.sover.net/~popel.html , and/or give me a buzz at 802-447-1148 (I'm in nearby Bennington, VT).   Paul Opel     >I will be in Williamstown, Mass all of next week. Are there any organ >recitals in the area at that time? >I will be in southern and western Florida in August particularly Miami, >Lauderdale,Naples, Ft Myers areas. Same question as above.. >Thanks for the help >Ed Brown > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org     http://www.sover.net/~popel      
(back) Subject: Max Drischner From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:57:25 -0400   Good Morning,   I just scanned "O Run Ye Shepherds" to send to a fellow list member. = Before I delete it, is there anyone else who wants a copy? I scanned it in Adobe Photoshop 5.5. It's a PSD file format, and they should fit on an 8=BD by = 11 paper. There are 3 pages.   Carlo  
(back) Subject: Re: Pfeifenorgel sound font From: <steve@open-tech.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:04:41 -0500   Thanks Dick, the information is greatly appreciated. It was a nice tidbit = of useful information tucked in amongst a great deal of noise. Makes reading this list worthwhile.   Cheers, Steve   > > Steve Chandler >   Steve (and anybody else who's interested),   Go to http://home.t-online.de/home/andreas.sims/ (no www), where it's described. You order it by sending Mr. Sims (the Germans are still somewhat formal in their email etiquette) an email message. He sends you the CD-ROM; you send him a check for $45.   There are several versions of the same SoundFont on the CD, taking = different amounts of memory. At this point, I've only looked at the biggest one. Most of the stops are German Romantic, and there are a few baroque stops as = well. In general, the editing has been done with more care than Jeux.   There's a lot of interesting stuff on the CD-ROM besides just the SoundFonts, especially if you can read German.   Dick Meckstroth        
(back) Subject: Re: "new" organ material From: <support@opensystemsorgans.com> Date: 11 Jul 2000 10:21:35 -0700   On Mon, 10 July 2000, "dg.glover" wrote:   > I had the same problem of polyphony but have been using a SoundBlaster = PCI > 128.   Unfortunately, the PCI 128 doesn't support SoundFonts.   > I haven't tried but I understand that it would be possible to put at = least 2 > cards in the PC giving you 256 sound polyphony (or possibly more).   I haven't tried, either, but I understand from Creative that you cannot = put more than one SB Live in a PC. Too bad, but not terrible. For 128 voices of = SoundFonts, you just use two computers. Sounds excessive until you consider that each = PC costs less than a pedalboard. And with two PCs, you get redundancy (you can = play a smaller organ if one of them fails), and, if you're using touch screens, a really = sexy, symmetrical console.   Dick Meckstroth      
(back) Subject: Re: Peter Hurford From: "Richard Pinel" <rpinelchat@musicman123.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:02:08 +0100   >Dear Peter: > >He probably played an unstable tracker with the stabilizers off just like Guy >Bovet. > >Ron List,   He is still around. I presume that he is still at Cambridge. He taught at last year's Oundle festival, although I never met him. I know that he gets extremely nervous when performing/recording. That may explain the disappointing concert. I have spoken to people who have heard him practising. They say that his Bach sounds even better than on the world famous recordings when he doesn't realise that people are listening.   Richard.    
(back) Subject: Re: "new" organ material From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:54:39   At 10:21 AM 7/11/2000 -0700, you wrote: >I haven't tried, either, but I understand from Creative that you cannot put more >than one SB Live in a PC.<snip>   Of course not! IRQ and device conflicts.   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: Peter Hurford From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:04:46   At 09:02 PM 7/11/2000 +0100, you wrote: >He taught at >last year's Oundle festival, although I never met him. I know that he = gets >extremely nervous when performing/recording. That may explain the >disappointing concert. I have spoken to people who have heard him >practising. They say that his Bach sounds even better than on the world >famous recordings when he doesn't realise that people are = listening.<snip>   That's called "performance anxiety", a symptom of Panic/Anxiety Disorder, and is treatable now with medication regimens including medication such as Buspar. I'm quite qualified to speak on the subject, because I suffered = it for 30 years before the doctors finally figured out there's a name for the malady, and a treatment soon followed. I can tell you that relief from these symptoms is like having a new life...although there are side effects that are unpleasant. Life's a trade-off, at best!   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: Peter Hurford From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:59:49 EDT   Dear Richard:   I never would have thought a seasoned veteran concert organist suffered = from stage fright. It must be very painful to perform in public for him. I apologize, I was only making a bit of humor, not intended to hurt anyone.   Sincerely,   Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: Performance Anxiety (was Re: Peter Hurford) From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:21:32 -0500   At 7/11/00 04:04 PM, DeserTBoB wrote:   >That's called "performance anxiety", a symptom of Panic/Anxiety Disorder, >and is treatable now with medication regimens including medication such = as >Buspar.   Hello DB and List!   I've gotta take this chance to "plug" a book that I've found very helpful in dealing with my own (probably mild) performance anxiety. Perhaps it would not be as effective in extreme cases (where the medication would probably come into play) but I found the ideas presented within to be helpful to *me*..., so I hope that perhaps someone else out there might also be able to benefit as well.   Robert Triplett has written a book entitled "STAGEFRIGHT -- Letting It = Work For You" which offers many useful strategies for one to deal with one's = own fears of performance -- in many different situations and circumstances. Robert is certainly familiar with the particular problems faced by organists, as he is also a concert organist, but the book goes much = further to other aspects of life/career/performance issues in all sorts of applicable situations besides that of the organist.   Robert also gives seminars dealing with the topic of Performance Anxiety = -- we had him give a presentation to an AGO Regional Convention held here several years ago. It was one of the hits of the convention, as almost everyone learned something, and *all* had a good time doing it, even = though no one really knew what to expect "going in".   If anyone would like further info on either the book or the seminars, send me a note and I'll be glad to pass on more details.   Cheers!   Tim Bovard Little Rock AR <tmbovard@arkansas.net>        
(back) Subject: Celestes From: "Ed Brown" <edbroorg@webtv.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:13:22 -0400 (EDT)   What is the difference between a voix celeste and an unda maris stop? Ed    
(back) Subject: Re: Celestes From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:19:31 -0700   pipe scale ... a voix celeste is normally made out of medium to narrow-scale string pipes; an unda maris is usually the celeste rank to a dulciana; while the unda maris is sometimes made of stopped wood pipes to save space, the dulciana is normally a principal-scale (or close to it) metal rank, voiced very softly.   Cheers,   Bud   Ed Brown wrote:   > What is the difference between a voix celeste and an unda maris stop? > Ed > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Celestes From: <KurtvonS@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:26:59 EDT   French and pseudo Latin?  
(back) Subject: Re: Celestes From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:32:38 -0700   "unda maris" is quite correct Latin: "waves of the sea"   Cheers,   Bud   KurtvonS@aol.com wrote:   > French and pseudo Latin? > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Celestes From: <TRACKELECT@cs.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:31:06 EDT   In a message dated 7/11/00 10:14:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, edbroorg@webtv.net writes:   << What is the difference between a voix celeste and an unda maris stop? Ed >> An Undamaris is tuned flat instead of sharp. At least it is in my organs: Dulciana and Undamaris in the Great. Viola d Gamba and Vox Celeste (tuned sharp) in the Swell. Couple these together and you really have something.   Alan B  
(back) Subject: Re: Max Drischner From: <Gamelpt@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:33:57 EDT   yes please send.  
(back) Subject: Re: Celestes From: "Benjamin M. Baldus" <bbaldus@voyager.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:51:02 -0400   The sounds made by a sharp Celeste + Viole de Gambe (Salicional) coupled = to a flat Unda Maris + Dulciana (Flauto Dolce, Kleiner Erzahler or whatever) is truly one made in heaven.   Ben Baldus   TRACKELECT@cs.com wrote:   > In a message dated 7/11/00 10:14:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > edbroorg@webtv.net writes: > > << > What is the difference between a voix celeste and an unda maris stop? > Ed >> > An Undamaris is tuned flat instead of sharp. At least it is in my = organs: > Dulciana and Undamaris in the Great. Viola d Gamba and Vox Celeste = (tuned > sharp) in the Swell. Couple these together and you really have = something. > > Alan B > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Celestes From: "Ed Kolcz" <kolcz@prodigy.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:02:26 -0400   Sounds like a theatre organ to me !! LOL     ----- Original Message ----- From: Benjamin M. Baldus <bbaldus@voyager.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 10:51 PM Subject: Re: Celestes     > The sounds made by a sharp Celeste + Viole de Gambe (Salicional) coupled to a > flat Unda Maris + Dulciana (Flauto Dolce, Kleiner Erzahler or whatever) = is > truly one made in heaven. > > Ben Baldus > > TRACKELECT@cs.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 7/11/00 10:14:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > edbroorg@webtv.net writes: > > > > << > > What is the difference between a voix celeste and an unda maris = stop? > > Ed >> > > An Undamaris is tuned flat instead of sharp. At least it is in my organs: > > Dulciana and Undamaris in the Great. Viola d Gamba and Vox Celeste (tuned > > sharp) in the Swell. Couple these together and you really have something. > > > > Alan B > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Fw: Celestes From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:11:38 -0500   Voix Celeste is tuned sharp, UndaMaris is tuned flat.     ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Brown <edbroorg@webtv.net> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org>; <PIPORG-L@listserv.albany.edu> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 9:13 PM Subject: Celestes     > What is the difference between a voix celeste and an unda maris stop? > Ed > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: Celestes From: "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:16:14 -0500   I like a Celeste far more than a tremolo, If you add a unda maris to a celeste is it really much better?? I really want to know as I can add it to the moller. Luther -----Original Message----- From: Benjamin M. Baldus <bbaldus@voyager.net> Date: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 8:36 PM   >The sounds made by a sharp Celeste + Viole de Gambe (Salicional) coupled = to a >flat Unda Maris + Dulciana (Flauto Dolce, Kleiner Erzahler or whatever) = is >truly one made in heaven. > >Ben Baldus > >TRACKELECT@cs.com wrote: > >> In a message dated 7/11/00 10:14:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >> edbroorg@webtv.net writes: >> >> << >> What is the difference between a voix celeste and an unda maris = stop? >> Ed >> >> An Undamaris is tuned flat instead of sharp. At least it is in my = organs: >> Dulciana and Undamaris in the Great. Viola d Gamba and Vox Celeste = (tuned >> sharp) in the Swell. Couple these together and you really have = something. >> >> Alan B >    
(back) Subject: Fw: Celestes From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:16:26 -0500   ...........and you really have someting is right! The Reuter I did has celestes all over: coupled together, they sound wonderously lush.   Rick     ----- Original Message ----- From: <TRACKELECT@cs.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 9:31 PM Subject: Re: Celestes     > In a message dated 7/11/00 10:14:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > edbroorg@webtv.net writes: > > << > What is the difference between a voix celeste and an unda maris stop? > Ed >> > An Undamaris is tuned flat instead of sharp. At least it is in my = organs: > Dulciana and Undamaris in the Great. Viola d Gamba and Vox Celeste = (tuned > sharp) in the Swell. Couple these together and you really have = something. > > Alan B > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: Celestes From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:20:26   At 10:13 PM 7/11/2000 -0400, you wrote: >What is the difference between a voix celeste and an unda maris= stop?<snip>   Both are undulating stops; there ends the similarity. The architypical "Voix C=E8leste", as provided by Skinner, Harrison and others in this country, consist of two ranks of Voile de Gambas, or similar string-toned ranks of medium-narrow scale, with the "c=E8leste" rank tuned sharp to undulate with the unison rank. The French are known for slightly narrower scales in this application. Orchestral/theater builders built them of smaller scales and on moderately high pressure; some even have three ranks.   The "Unda Maris", an E.M. Skinner innovation, consists of very quietly voiced ranks of dulciana or similar principal tone, with the undulating rank tuned slightly flat. It avoids the "shimmer" of the Voix C=E8leste, du= e to its comparative paucity of harmonics, and makes a fine quite accompanimental tonality in slow moving chordal figures. Flute c=E8lestes came along later; many can be found in Robert Morton organs, as well as GDH's later works at =C6-S.   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: Performance Anxiety (was Re: Peter Hurford) From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 00:54:01 EDT   In a message dated 7/11/00 8:20:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tmbovard@arkansas.net writes:   << That's called "performance anxiety", a symptom of Panic/Anxiety = Disorder, >and is treatable now with medication regimens including medication such = as >Buspar. >>   ...... and don't forget the bananas!!! ;-)   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: Celestes From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:27:59   At 10:16 PM 7/11/2000 -0500, you wrote: >I like a Celeste far more than a tremolo, >If you add a unda maris to a celeste is it really much better?? >I really want to know as I can add it to the moller.<snip>   C=E8lestes and a tremulant are two completely different effects, and useful for different purposes. One certainly wouldn't want an "Oboe C=E9leste" for a soft solo line, now, would they?? Certainly, a proper tremulant adds to the instrumental illusion of soft solo reeds, and is useful in other quarters, as well.   Adding an Unda Maris to a Voix C=E8leste will yield three separate pitches...flat, unison and sharp. Virgil Fox revelled in this sort of thing to make up his "mountains of goo" registrations, so of which he unfortunately was prone to apply to Bach. The illusion of a string section can be made with such a combination very convincingly, assuming one avoids "frying bacon" scales, such as are found in the Voile d'Orchestre. Also, the c=E8leste is an effect to use sparingly, and at the right times; overuse can make the listener lose interest. Used properly, it is a powerful effect for music of later schools.   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: Celestes From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:05:15 EDT   Dear Bob:   On the West Point organ, Wanamakers, and the Atlantic City mega = instruments, the ranks began at 16' or 32' for string, Celestes and tuned sharp or flat = in unison depending on whether the celeste was subnazard, nazard, or subtierce, or tierce yielding the tuning shape or flat by tuning to the intune mutation. The specs. of these three organs clearly shows this trick of obtaining sharp or flat celestes = by tuning the mutation dead in tune with the unison rank. I discovered this by = reading the spec. sheet on all three. It could be done today using a soft unison Dulciana with a sharp and flat Unda Maris and tuning a Dulciana twelfth = and a Dulciana Tierce and extending the pipes back to TC for instance to produce =   the celeste sharp and flat. I think this works best in ET.   What do you think?   Sincerely,   Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: Question 2nd request From: <thoehn@theatreorgans.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:15:18 -0400   My fellow listers---   I will be travelling in September (9-16) to Eau Claire, Wisconsin and was wondering if there are any theatre organs this ex-pizza parlor organist could get his hands on while in that area. I'll be flying into Minneapolis on the 9th and taking the limo (van) from there....   Thanks...   Tom Hoehn, Clearwater, FL.      
(back) Subject: Re: Celestes From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:53:56 -0700   The late Dr. Edwin Arthur Kraft at Trinity Cathedral in Cleveland = (4-manual E.M. Skinner ... still there, but boarded up and derelict ... replaced by = a couple of Flentrops) used to make a striking solo combination out of the = Swell Oboe, Vox Celeste, Nazard, tremulant, and maybe a couple of other things = ... I forget ... the registration is recorded in his edition of favorite Bach = chorale preludes. I think he used it for "O Mensch Bewein", but the book is at = church.   Many older American organists added all the celestes to everything when = playing French romantic music, on the theory that French organs were never in = tune, so that made the sound more authentic (!).   Cheers,   Bud        
(back) Subject: Re: Celestes From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:15:03 +0800   Which Bob? I have heard of organs in Australia that use the nazard or tierce as one = rank of a celeste. It would most likely be a flute celeste of course. Most of the celestes I have heard here are two ranks of a string stop such as gamba or = viole d'orchestre (a favourite of J. E. Dodd and Son in this country) tuned = sharp, or as an unda maris, two dulcianas with one tuned flat. Bob E.   RonSeverin@aol.com wrote:   > Dear Bob: > > On the West Point organ, Wanamakers, and the Atlantic City mega = instruments, > the ranks began at 16' or 32' for string, Celestes and tuned sharp or = flat in > unison > depending on whether the celeste was subnazard, nazard, or subtierce, or > tierce > yielding the tuning shape or flat by tuning to the intune mutation. The > specs. of these > three organs clearly shows this trick of obtaining sharp or flat = celestes by > tuning > the mutation dead in tune with the unison rank. I discovered this by = reading > the spec. sheet on all three. It could be done today using a soft unison > Dulciana with a sharp and flat Unda Maris and tuning a Dulciana twelfth = and a > Dulciana Tierce and extending the pipes back to TC for instance to = produce > the celeste sharp and flat. I think this works best in ET. > > What do you think? > > Sincerely, > > Ron Severin > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   -- ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/      
(back) Subject: Re: Celestes From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:19:23 +0800   That's interesting. Was E. M. Skinner really the inventor of the unda mar= is? I would have thought there would be older examples than that.   Bob Scarborough wrote:   > At 10:13 PM 7/11/2000 -0400, you wrote: > >What is the difference between a voix celeste and an unda maris stop= ?<snip> > > Both are undulating stops; there ends the similarity. The architypical > "Voix C=E8leste", as provided by Skinner, Harrison and others in this > country, consist of two ranks of Voile de Gambas, or similar string-ton= ed > ranks of medium-narrow scale, with the "c=E8leste" rank tuned sharp to > undulate with the unison rank. The French are known for slightly narro= wer > scales in this application. Orchestral/theater builders built them of > smaller scales and on moderately high pressure; some even have three ra= nks. > > The "Unda Maris", an E.M. Skinner innovation, consists of very quietly > voiced ranks of dulciana or similar principal tone, with the undulating > rank tuned slightly flat. It avoids the "shimmer" of the Voix C=E8lest= e, due > to its comparative paucity of harmonics, and makes a fine quite > accompanimental tonality in slow moving chordal figures. Flute c=E8les= tes > came along later; many can be found in Robert Morton organs, as well as > GDH's later works at =C6-S. > > DeserTBoB > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   -- ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/      
(back) Subject: Re: All in the April Evening From: "Chris Johns" <Chris_Johns@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:14:32 +0200   >Fancy you lot not liking the piece, - but then, perhaps it needs a >specialized mind to admire it in the way that so many Scotsmen and >Englishmen do!   I'm English and I don't like it. That' not to say I don't like a good Victorian romp. Something along the lines of Stanford's "For lo I raise = up", or Harwood's "O how glorious". Don't get any of that over here in Deutschland. They loved two eight-part Harris motets so much though, that = we did them back-to-back in a concert, and nobody batted an eyelid.   Chris Johns Musical Assistant, Osnabr=FCck Cathedral Frankenstrasse 5, D-49082 Osnabrueck Tel/Fax +49 (0)541 528 2568 EMail: Chris_Johns@gmx.de    
(back) Subject: Trashy music From: "Chris Johns" <Chris_Johns@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:23:19 +0200   Seeing some of the examples of Victorian junk the list has come up with reminds of the title of a happy-clappy (I use the term completely = neutrally) song called "Drop kick me, Jesus, through the goal-posts of life". Anyone know the rest?   Chris J Frankenstrasse 5, D-49082 Osnabrueck Tel/Fax +49 (0)541 528 2568 EMail: Chris_Johns@gmx.de    
(back) Subject: Re: All in the April Evening From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:35:09   At 01:14 AM 7/12/2000 +0200, you wrote: >I'm English and I don't like it.<snip>   GOOD show, eh what!   dB