PipeChat Digest #1509 - Wednesday, July 12, 2000
 
Theater organs in Eau Claire
  by "Patricia/Thomas Gregory" <tgregory@speeddial.net>
 


(back) Subject: Theater organs in Eau Claire From: "Patricia/Thomas Gregory" <tgregory@speeddial.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 06:46:03 -0500   Greetings:   I do not know of any any theater organs in the Eau Claire area....BUT I understand there is a fine instrument in Hudson WI (just across the river from St. Paul)   Also, at the Baptist Church in Hudson is a fantastic receintly restored Jarden tracker.   TG -- Thomas and Patricia Gregory 716 West College Avenue Waukesha WI USA 53186-4569   ---------- >From: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >Subject: PipeChat Digest #1506 - 07/12/00 >Date: Wed, Jul 12, 2000, 2:03 AM >   > PipeChat Digest #1506 - Wednesday, July 12, 2000 > > Re: Summer Recitals > by "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net> > Max Drischner > by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> > Re: Pfeifenorgel sound font > by <steve@open-tech.com> > Re: "new" organ material > by <support@opensystemsorgans.com> > Re: Peter Hurford > by "Richard Pinel" <rpinelchat@musicman123.freeserve.co.uk> > Re: "new" organ material > by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> > Re: Peter Hurford > by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> > Re: Peter Hurford > by <RonSeverin@aol.com> > Performance Anxiety (was Re: Peter Hurford) > by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net> > Celestes > by "Ed Brown" <edbroorg@webtv.net> > Re: Celestes > by <quilisma@socal.rr.com> > Re: Celestes > by <KurtvonS@aol.com> > Re: Celestes > by <quilisma@socal.rr.com> > Re: Celestes > by <TRACKELECT@cs.com> > Re: Max Drischner > by <Gamelpt@aol.com> > Re: Celestes > by "Benjamin M. Baldus" <bbaldus@voyager.net> > Re: Celestes > by "Ed Kolcz" <kolcz@prodigy.net> > Fw: Celestes > by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> > Re: Celestes > by "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com> > Fw: Celestes > by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> > Re: Celestes > by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> > Re: Performance Anxiety (was Re: Peter Hurford) > by <Cremona502@cs.com> > Re: Celestes > by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> > Re: Celestes > by <RonSeverin@aol.com> > Question 2nd request > by <thoehn@theatreorgans.com> > Re: Celestes > by <quilisma@socal.rr.com> > Re: Celestes > by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> > Re: Celestes > by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> > Re: All in the April Evening > by "Chris Johns" <Chris_Johns@gmx.de> > Trashy music > by "Chris Johns" <Chris_Johns@gmx.de> > Re: All in the April Evening > by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Summer Recitals > From: "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net> > Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 07:32:38 -0400 > > The First Methodist Church in North Adams (10 minutes from Billsville) ha= s > a noontime recital series on Fridays throughout the summer. The organ is = a > lovely, unaltered 3/26? EM Skinner. The church ladies put on a nice lunch > afterwards. > > Other nice instruments in town are in the First Congregational, > Williamstown (Andover, designed by Fisk) and the Methodist Church in > Williamstown (recently renovated 1m Johnson). > > See my web page at: http://www.sover.net/~popel.html , and/or give me a > buzz at 802-447-1148 (I'm in nearby Bennington, VT). > > Paul Opel > > > >I will be in Williamstown, Mass all of next week. Are there any organ >>recitals in the area at that time? >>I will be in southern and western Florida in August particularly Miami, >>Lauderdale,Naples, Ft Myers areas. Same question as above.. >>Thanks for the help >>Ed Brown >> >> >>"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >>PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >>HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >>List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >>Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >>Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > http://www.sover.net/~popel > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Max Drischner > From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> > Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:57:25 -0400 > > Good Morning, > > I just scanned "O Run Ye Shepherds" to send to a fellow list member. Befo= re > I delete it, is there anyone else who wants a copy? I scanned it in Adobe > Photoshop 5.5. It's a PSD file format, and they should fit on an 8=BD by 11 > paper. There are 3 pages. > > Carlo > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Pfeifenorgel sound font > From: <steve@open-tech.com> > Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:04:41 -0500 > > Thanks Dick, the information is greatly appreciated. It was a nice tidbit= of > useful information tucked in amongst a great deal of noise. Makes reading > this list worthwhile. > > Cheers, > Steve > >> >> Steve Chandler >> > > Steve (and anybody else who's interested), > > Go to http://home.t-online.de/home/andreas.sims/ (no www), where it's > described. > You order it by sending Mr. Sims (the Germans are still somewhat formal i= n > their > email etiquette) an email message. He sends you the CD-ROM; you > send him a check for $45. > > There are several versions of the same SoundFont on the CD, taking differ= ent > amounts of memory. At this point, I've only looked at the biggest one. > Most > of the stops are German Romantic, and there are a few baroque stops as we= ll. > In general, the editing has been done with more care than Jeux. > > There's a lot of interesting stuff on the CD-ROM besides just the > SoundFonts, > especially if you can read German. > > Dick Meckstroth > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: "new" organ material > From: <support@opensystemsorgans.com> > Date: 11 Jul 2000 10:21:35 -0700 > > On Mon, 10 July 2000, "dg.glover" wrote: > >> I had the same problem of polyphony but have been using a SoundBlaster P= CI >> 128. > > Unfortunately, the PCI 128 doesn't support SoundFonts. > >> I haven't tried but I understand that it would be possible to put at lea= st 2 >> cards in the PC giving you 256 sound polyphony (or possibly more). > > I haven't tried, either, but I understand from Creative that you cannot p= ut more > than one SB Live in a PC. Too bad, but not terrible. For 128 voices of > SoundFonts, > you just use two computers. Sounds excessive until you consider that eac= h PC costs > less than a pedalboard. And with two PCs, you get redundancy (you can pl= ay > a smaller > organ if one of them fails), and, if you're using touch screens, a really sexy, > symmetrical console. > > Dick Meckstroth > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Peter Hurford > From: "Richard Pinel" <rpinelchat@musicman123.freeserve.co.uk> > Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:02:08 +0100 > >>Dear Peter: >> >>He probably played an unstable tracker with the stabilizers off just like > Guy >>Bovet. >> >>Ron > List, > > He is still around. I presume that he is still at Cambridge. He taught at > last year's Oundle festival, although I never met him. I know that he get= s > extremely nervous when performing/recording. That may explain the > disappointing concert. I have spoken to people who have heard him > practising. They say that his Bach sounds even better than on the world > famous recordings when he doesn't realise that people are listening. > > Richard. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: "new" organ material > From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> > Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:54:39 > > At 10:21 AM 7/11/2000 -0700, you wrote: >>I haven't tried, either, but I understand from Creative that you cannot > put more >>than one SB Live in a PC.<snip> > > Of course not! IRQ and device conflicts. > > DeserTBoB > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Peter Hurford > From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> > Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:04:46 > > At 09:02 PM 7/11/2000 +0100, you wrote: >>He taught at >>last year's Oundle festival, although I never met him. I know that he get= s >>extremely nervous when performing/recording. That may explain the >>disappointing concert. I have spoken to people who have heard him >>practising. They say that his Bach sounds even better than on the world >>famous recordings when he doesn't realise that people are listening.<snip= > > > That's called "performance anxiety", a symptom of Panic/Anxiety Disorder, > and is treatable now with medication regimens including medication such a= s > Buspar. I'm quite qualified to speak on the subject, because I suffered = it > for 30 years before the doctors finally figured out there's a name for th= e > malady, and a treatment soon followed. I can tell you that relief from > these symptoms is like having a new life...although there are side effect= s > that are unpleasant. Life's a trade-off, at best! > > DeserTBoB > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Peter Hurford > From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> > Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:59:49 EDT > > Dear Richard: > > I never would have thought a seasoned veteran concert organist suffered f= rom > stage fright. It must be very painful to perform in public for him. I > apologize, > I was only making a bit of humor, not intended to hurt anyone. > > Sincerely, > > Ron Severin > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Performance Anxiety (was Re: Peter Hurford) > From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net> > Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:21:32 -0500 > > At 7/11/00 04:04 PM, DeserTBoB wrote: > >>That's called "performance anxiety", a symptom of Panic/Anxiety Disorder, >>and is treatable now with medication regimens including medication such a= s >>Buspar. > > Hello DB and List! > > I've gotta take this chance to "plug" a book that I've found very helpful > in dealing with my own (probably mild) performance anxiety. Perhaps it > would not be as effective in extreme cases (where the medication would > probably come into play) but I found the ideas presented within to be > helpful to *me*..., so I hope that perhaps someone else out there might > also be able to benefit as well. > > Robert Triplett has written a book entitled "STAGEFRIGHT -- Letting It Wo= rk > For You" which offers many useful strategies for one to deal with one's o= wn > fears of performance -- in many different situations and circumstances. > Robert is certainly familiar with the particular problems faced by > organists, as he is also a concert organist, but the book goes much furth= er > to other aspects of life/career/performance issues in all sorts of > applicable situations besides that of the organist. > > Robert also gives seminars dealing with the topic of Performance Anxiety = -- > we had him give a presentation to an AGO Regional Convention held here > several years ago. It was one of the hits of the convention, as almost > everyone learned something, and *all* had a good time doing it, even thou= gh > no one really knew what to expect "going in". > > If anyone would like further info on either the book or the seminars, sen= d > me a note and I'll be glad to pass on more details. > > Cheers! > > Tim Bovard > Little Rock AR > <tmbovard@arkansas.net> > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Celestes > From: "Ed Brown" <edbroorg@webtv.net> > Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:13:22 -0400 (EDT) > > What is the difference between a voix celeste and an unda maris stop? > Ed > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Celestes > From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> > Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:19:31 -0700 > > pipe scale ... a voix celeste is normally made out of medium to > narrow-scale string pipes; an unda maris is usually the celeste rank to a > dulciana; while the unda maris is sometimes made of stopped wood pipes to > save space, the dulciana is normally a principal-scale (or close to it) > metal rank, voiced very softly. > > Cheers, > > Bud > > Ed Brown wrote: > >> What is the difference between a voix celeste and an unda maris stop? >> Ed >> >> "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >> PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >> HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >> List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >> Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Celestes > From: <KurtvonS@aol.com> > Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:26:59 EDT > > French and pseudo Latin? > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Celestes > From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> > Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:32:38 -0700 > > "unda maris" is quite correct Latin: "waves of the sea" > > Cheers, > > Bud > > KurtvonS@aol.com wrote: > >> French and pseudo Latin? >> >> "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >> PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >> HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >> List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >> Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Celestes > From: <TRACKELECT@cs.com> > Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:31:06 EDT > > In a message dated 7/11/00 10:14:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > edbroorg@webtv.net writes: > > << > What is the difference between a voix celeste and an unda maris stop? > Ed >> > An Undamaris is tuned flat instead of sharp. At least it is in my organs: > Dulciana and Undamaris in the Great. Viola d Gamba and Vox Celeste (tuned > sharp) in the Swell. Couple these together and you really have something. > > Alan B > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Max Drischner > From: <Gamelpt@aol.com> > Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:33:57 EDT > > yes please send. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Celestes > From: "Benjamin M. Baldus" <bbaldus@voyager.net> > Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:51:02 -0400 > > The sounds made by a sharp Celeste + Viole de Gambe (Salicional) coupled = to a > flat Unda Maris + Dulciana (Flauto Dolce, Kleiner Erzahler or whatever) i= s > truly one made in heaven. > > Ben Baldus > > TRACKELECT@cs.com wrote: > >> In a message dated 7/11/00 10:14:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >> edbroorg@webtv.net writes: >> >> << >> What is the difference between a voix celeste and an unda maris stop? >> Ed >> >> An Undamaris is tuned flat instead of sharp. At least it is in my organs= : >> Dulciana and Undamaris in the Great. Viola d Gamba and Vox Celeste (tune= d >> sharp) in the Swell. Couple these together and you really have something= .. >> >> Alan B >> >> "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >> PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >> HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >> List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >> Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Celestes > From: "Ed Kolcz" <kolcz@prodigy.net> > Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:02:26 -0400 > > Sounds like a theatre organ to me !! LOL > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Benjamin M. Baldus <bbaldus@voyager.net> > To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 10:51 PM > Subject: Re: Celestes > > >> The sounds made by a sharp Celeste + Viole de Gambe (Salicional) coupled > to a >> flat Unda Maris + Dulciana (Flauto Dolce, Kleiner Erzahler or whatever) = is >> truly one made in heaven. >> >> Ben Baldus >> >> TRACKELECT@cs.com wrote: >> >> > In a message dated 7/11/00 10:14:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >> > edbroorg@webtv.net writes: >> > >> > << >> > What is the difference between a voix celeste and an unda maris sto= p? >> > Ed >> >> > An Undamaris is tuned flat instead of sharp. At least it is in my > organs: >> > Dulciana and Undamaris in the Great. Viola d Gamba and Vox Celeste > (tuned >> > sharp) in the Swell. Couple these together and you really have > something. >> > >> > Alan B >> > >> > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >> > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >> > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >> > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >> > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >> > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >> >> >> "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >> PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >> HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >> List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >> Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Fw: Celestes > From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> > Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:11:38 -0500 > > Voix Celeste is tuned sharp, UndaMaris is tuned flat. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ed Brown <edbroorg@webtv.net> > To: <pipechat@pipechat.org>; <PIPORG-L@listserv.albany.edu> > Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 9:13 PM > Subject: Celestes > > >> What is the difference between a voix celeste and an unda maris stop? >> Ed >> >> >> "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >> PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >> HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >> List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >> Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Celestes > From: "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com> > Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:16:14 -0500 > > I like a Celeste far more than a tremolo, > If you add a unda maris to a celeste is it really much better?? > I really want to know as I can add it to the moller. > Luther > -----Original Message----- > From: Benjamin M. Baldus <bbaldus@voyager.net> > Date: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 8:36 PM > >>The sounds made by a sharp Celeste + Viole de Gambe (Salicional) coupled = to > a >>flat Unda Maris + Dulciana (Flauto Dolce, Kleiner Erzahler or whatever) i= s >>truly one made in heaven. >> >>Ben Baldus >> >>TRACKELECT@cs.com wrote: >> >>> In a message dated 7/11/00 10:14:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >>> edbroorg@webtv.net writes: >>> >>> << >>> What is the difference between a voix celeste and an unda maris stop= ? >>> Ed >> >>> An Undamaris is tuned flat instead of sharp. At least it is in my organ= s: >>> Dulciana and Undamaris in the Great. Viola d Gamba and Vox Celeste (tun= ed >>> sharp) in the Swell. Couple these together and you really have somethin= g. >>> >>> Alan B >> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Fw: Celestes > From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> > Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:16:26 -0500 > > ..........and you really have someting is right! The Reuter I did has > celestes all over: coupled together, they sound wonderously lush. > > Rick > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <TRACKELECT@cs.com> > To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 9:31 PM > Subject: Re: Celestes > > >> In a message dated 7/11/00 10:14:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >> edbroorg@webtv.net writes: >> >> << >> What is the difference between a voix celeste and an unda maris stop? >> Ed >> >> An Undamaris is tuned flat instead of sharp. At least it is in my organs= : >> Dulciana and Undamaris in the Great. Viola d Gamba and Vox Celeste (tune= d >> sharp) in the Swell. Couple these together and you really have something= .. >> >> Alan B >> >> "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >> PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >> HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >> List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >> Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Celestes > From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> > Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:20:26 > > At 10:13 PM 7/11/2000 -0400, you wrote: >>What is the difference between a voix celeste and an unda maris stop?<s= nip> > > Both are undulating stops; there ends the similarity. The architypical > "Voix C=E8leste", as provided by Skinner, Harrison and others in this > country, consist of two ranks of Voile de Gambas, or similar string-toned > ranks of medium-narrow scale, with the "c=E8leste" rank tuned sharp to > undulate with the unison rank. The French are known for slightly narrowe= r > scales in this application. Orchestral/theater builders built them of > smaller scales and on moderately high pressure; some even have three rank= s. > > The "Unda Maris", an E.M. Skinner innovation, consists of very quietly > voiced ranks of dulciana or similar principal tone, with the undulating > rank tuned slightly flat. It avoids the "shimmer" of the Voix C=E8leste, d= ue > to its comparative paucity of harmonics, and makes a fine quite > accompanimental tonality in slow moving chordal figures. Flute c=E8lestes > came along later; many can be found in Robert Morton organs, as well as > GDH's later works at =C6-S. > > DeserTBoB > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Performance Anxiety (was Re: Peter Hurford) > From: <Cremona502@cs.com> > Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 00:54:01 EDT > > In a message dated 7/11/00 8:20:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > tmbovard@arkansas.net writes: > > << That's called "performance anxiety", a symptom of Panic/Anxiety Disord= er, > >and is treatable now with medication regimens including medication such= as > >Buspar. >> > > ..... and don't forget the bananas!!! ;-) > > Bruce > . . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles > Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com > HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Celestes > From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> > Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:27:59 > > At 10:16 PM 7/11/2000 -0500, you wrote: >>I like a Celeste far more than a tremolo, >>If you add a unda maris to a celeste is it really much better?? >>I really want to know as I can add it to the moller.<snip> > > C=E8lestes and a tremulant are two completely different effects, and useful > for different purposes. One certainly wouldn't want an "Oboe C=E9leste" fo= r > a soft solo line, now, would they?? Certainly, a proper tremulant adds t= o > the instrumental illusion of soft solo reeds, and is useful in other > quarters, as well. > > Adding an Unda Maris to a Voix C=E8leste will yield three separate > pitches...flat, unison and sharp. Virgil Fox revelled in this sort of > thing to make up his "mountains of goo" registrations, so of which he > unfortunately was prone to apply to Bach. The illusion of a string secti= on > can be made with such a combination very convincingly, assuming one avoid= s > "frying bacon" scales, such as are found in the Voile d'Orchestre. Also, > the c=E8leste is an effect to use sparingly, and at the right times; overus= e > can make the listener lose interest. Used properly, it is a powerful > effect for music of later schools. > > DeserTBoB > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Celestes > From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> > Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:05:15 EDT > > Dear Bob: > > On the West Point organ, Wanamakers, and the Atlantic City mega instrumen= ts, > the ranks began at 16' or 32' for string, Celestes and tuned sharp or fla= t in > unison > depending on whether the celeste was subnazard, nazard, or subtierce, or > tierce > yielding the tuning shape or flat by tuning to the intune mutation. The > specs. of these > three organs clearly shows this trick of obtaining sharp or flat celestes= by > tuning > the mutation dead in tune with the unison rank. I discovered this by read= ing > the spec. sheet on all three. It could be done today using a soft unison > Dulciana with a sharp and flat Unda Maris and tuning a Dulciana twelfth a= nd a > Dulciana Tierce and extending the pipes back to TC for instance to produc= e > the celeste sharp and flat. I think this works best in ET. > > What do you think? > > Sincerely, > > Ron Severin > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Question 2nd request > From: <thoehn@theatreorgans.com> > Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:15:18 -0400 > > My fellow listers--- > > I will be travelling in September (9-16) to Eau Claire, Wisconsin and > was wondering if there are any theatre organs this ex-pizza parlor > organist could get his hands on while in that area. I'll be flying into > Minneapolis on the 9th and taking the limo (van) from there.... > > Thanks... > > Tom Hoehn, Clearwater, FL. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Celestes > From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> > Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:53:56 -0700 > > The late Dr. Edwin Arthur Kraft at Trinity Cathedral in Cleveland (4-manu= al > E.M. Skinner ... still there, but boarded up and derelict ... replaced by= a > couple of Flentrops) used to make a striking solo combination out of the = Swell > Oboe, Vox Celeste, Nazard, tremulant, and maybe a couple of other things = ... I > forget ... the registration is recorded in his edition of favorite Bach chorale > preludes. I think he used it for "O Mensch Bewein", but the book is at ch= urch. > > Many older American organists added all the celestes to everything when playing > French romantic music, on the theory that French organs were never in tun= e, so > that made the sound more authentic (!). > > Cheers, > > Bud > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Celestes > From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> > Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:15:03 +0800 > > Which Bob? > I have heard of organs in Australia that use the nazard or tierce as one = rank of > a celeste. It would most likely be a flute celeste of course. Most of the > celestes I have heard here are two ranks of a string stop such as gamba o= r viole > d'orchestre (a favourite of J. E. Dodd and Son in this country) tuned sha= rp, or > as an unda maris, two dulcianas with one tuned flat. > Bob E. > > RonSeverin@aol.com wrote: > >> Dear Bob: >> >> On the West Point organ, Wanamakers, and the Atlantic City mega instrume= nts, >> the ranks began at 16' or 32' for string, Celestes and tuned sharp or fl= at in >> unison >> depending on whether the celeste was subnazard, nazard, or subtierce, or >> tierce >> yielding the tuning shape or flat by tuning to the intune mutation. The >> specs. of these >> three organs clearly shows this trick of obtaining sharp or flat celeste= s by >> tuning >> the mutation dead in tune with the unison rank. I discovered this by rea= ding >> the spec. sheet on all three. It could be done today using a soft unison >> Dulciana with a sharp and flat Unda Maris and tuning a Dulciana twelfth = and a >> Dulciana Tierce and extending the pipes back to TC for instance to produ= ce >> the celeste sharp and flat. I think this works best in ET. >> >> What do you think? >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Ron Severin >> >> "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >> PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >> HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >> List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >> Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------- > Click here for Free Video!! > http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Celestes > From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> > Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:19:23 +0800 > > That's interesting. Was E. M. Skinner really the inventor of the unda mar= is? I > would have thought there would be older examples than that. > > Bob Scarborough wrote: > >> At 10:13 PM 7/11/2000 -0400, you wrote: >> >What is the difference between a voix celeste and an unda maris stop?<snip> >> >> Both are undulating stops; there ends the similarity. The architypical >> "Voix C=E8leste", as provided by Skinner, Harrison and others in this >> country, consist of two ranks of Voile de Gambas, or similar string-tone= d >> ranks of medium-narrow scale, with the "c=E8leste" rank tuned sharp to >> undulate with the unison rank. The French are known for slightly narrow= er >> scales in this application. Orchestral/theater builders built them of >> smaller scales and on moderately high pressure; some even have three ran= ks. >> >> The "Unda Maris", an E.M. Skinner innovation, consists of very quietly >> voiced ranks of dulciana or similar principal tone, with the undulating >> rank tuned slightly flat. It avoids the "shimmer" of the Voix C=E8leste, = due >> to its comparative paucity of harmonics, and makes a fine quite >> accompanimental tonality in slow moving chordal figures. Flute c=E8lestes >> came along later; many can be found in Robert Morton organs, as well as >> GDH's later works at =C6-S. >> >> DeserTBoB >> >> "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >> PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >> HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >> List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >> Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------- > Click here for Free Video!! > http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: All in the April Evening > From: "Chris Johns" <Chris_Johns@gmx.de> > Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:14:32 +0200 > >>Fancy you lot not liking the piece, - but then, perhaps it needs a >>specialized mind to admire it in the way that so many Scotsmen and >>Englishmen do! > > I'm English and I don't like it. That' not to say I don't like a good > Victorian romp. Something along the lines of Stanford's "For lo I raise u= p", > or Harwood's "O how glorious". Don't get any of that over here in > Deutschland. They loved two eight-part Harris motets so much though, that= we > did them back-to-back in a concert, and nobody batted an eyelid. > > Chris Johns > Musical Assistant, Osnabr=FCck Cathedral > Frankenstrasse 5, D-49082 Osnabrueck > Tel/Fax +49 (0)541 528 2568 > EMail: Chris_Johns@gmx.de > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Trashy music > From: "Chris Johns" <Chris_Johns@gmx.de> > Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:23:19 +0200 > > Seeing some of the examples of Victorian junk the list has come up with > reminds of the title of a happy-clappy (I use the term completely neutral= ly) > song called "Drop kick me, Jesus, through the goal-posts of life". Anyone > know the rest? > > Chris J > Frankenstrasse 5, D-49082 Osnabrueck > Tel/Fax +49 (0)541 528 2568 > EMail: Chris_Johns@gmx.de > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: All in the April Evening > From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> > Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:35:09 > > At 01:14 AM 7/12/2000 +0200, you wrote: >>I'm English and I don't like it.<snip> > > GOOD show, eh what! > > dB > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > End of PipeChat Digest > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >