PipeChat Digest #1511 - Wednesday, July 12, 2000
 
Re: Unda Marii, Ersatz Gemshorns and Ernie-Boy
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Unda Marii, Ersatz Gemshorns and Ernie-Boy
  by <KurtvonS@aol.com>
Re: Unda Marii, Ersatz Gemshorns and Ernie-Boy
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Trinity Cathedral, Cleveland
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
trials and tribulations; suggestions?
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Unda Marii, Ersatz Gemshorns and Ernie-Boy
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Cleveland Skinners
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Unda Marii, Ersatz Gemshorns and Ernie-Boy
  by <KurtvonS@aol.com>
Cleveland Skinners and Kilgen
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Re: Piporg-L Discussions
  by "Maynard Cuppy" <cuppy.maynard@mcleodusa.net>
Re: Unda Marii, Ersatz Gemshorns and Ernie-Boy
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: Unda Marii, Ersatz Gemshorns and Ernie-Boy
  by "Ray Thursby" <raythursby@earthlink.net>
sorry about that
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
looking for a list member
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Re: Piporg-L Discussions
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
CDs Related to Seattle AGO
  by "William T. Van Pelt" <bill@organsociety.org>
Re: Trinity Cathedral, Cleveland
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: trials and tribulations; suggestions?
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Unda Marii, Ersatz Gemshorns and Ernie-Boy
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Trashy music-Use this on Superbowl Sunday
  by "Evelyn Rowe" <efrowe@mindspring.com>
Re: Fred Swann
  by "Jim" <Bald1@prodigy.net>
Her Bishness, weekly
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Unda Marii, Ersatz Gemshorns and Ernie-Boy From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:02:22 -0700   This brings up another question: the Italian baroque Voce Umana (a celest= e rank to go with the 8' Principale) sounds like an Unda maris on steroids = (a lovely sound, by the way) ... could THAT have been the origin of the idea= , or was not enough known about old Italian organs at the turn of the century?   Cheers,   Bud   Bob Scarborough wrote:   > Off the the bookshelves I go in search of documentation on the Unda Mar= is. > Indeed, Audsley reports ("Art Of Organ Building", p. 569, v. I) that th= is > stop indeed predates Skinner by many years. Cavaill=E9-Coll was eviden= tly > fond (no pun intended) of them, as was Walcker in Germany. He notes th= at > they "are sometimes made of wood", validating what has been said here b= y > others. How the connection of the stop to Skinner came about was proba= bly > because of his rather liberal use of the stop, especially in his > "catch-all" Choir divisions. However, Audsley's writings show that it = was > a well-developed and popular stop in Romantic-era Continental organs, s= o > the claim by Skinner that he "invented" this stop is patently false. > Perhaps the same can be said for his oft-touted "Erz=E4hler", really a > slotted Gemshorn with the typical Skinner narrow mouth, making it suita= ble > for higher wind pressures. However, nothing I see shows the Erz=E4hler= name > prior to Skinner's use of it. > > DeserTBoB > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Unda Marii, Ersatz Gemshorns and Ernie-Boy From: <KurtvonS@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:01:58 EDT   In a message dated 7/12/00 3:53:11 PM Central Daylight Time,=20 desertbob@rglobal.net writes:   << Perhaps the same can be said for his oft-touted "Erz=E4hler", really a slotted Gemshorn with the typical Skinner narrow mouth, making it suitable for higher wind pressures. However, nothing I see shows the Erz=E4hler nam= e prior to Skinner's use of it. >>   According to Holden and others, the name "Erz=E4hler" was coined by an ancie= nt=20 German workman in the Skinner shops. It is not just a common, high-pressur= e=20 Gemshorn, though; the best examples all have the octave harmonic in equal=20 proportion to the unison. I'd take a double rank Erz=E4hler Celeste to=20 Gemshorns any day of the week....but that's personal preference, natch!  
(back) Subject: Re: Unda Marii, Ersatz Gemshorns and Ernie-Boy From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:47:00   At 02:02 PM 7/12/2000 -0700, Bud-by-the-Beach wrote: >This brings up another question: the Italian baroque Voce Umana (a celeste >rank to go with the 8' Principale) sounds like an Unda maris on steroids (a >lovely sound, by the way) ... could THAT have been the origin of the idea,= or >was not enough known about old Italian organs at the turn of the century?<snip>   Depending on who you read, c=E8lestes of one form or another have been aroun= d in various quarters since Bach's time, most notably, as you point out, in Italy. Cavaill=E9-Coll, more than anyone else, is probably the builder that developed the "voix c=E8leste" of string tonality to what we know today. It's not known how much influence the Italian Baroque Vox Umana had on C-C's thinking, although I'm quite sure he was aware of such stops. Audsley, for his part, hated c=E8lestes, and relegated them to being of the French school, in keeping "with their light musical tastes."(!!) Obviously, he wasn't aware of the "voix c=E8leste"'s antecedents from Italy, nor was he aware of Walcker's use of them in Germany. Audsley, as well as Bonavia-Hunt, were quite opinionated, and passage of time has shown their scope of overall knowledge and understanding to be relatively narrow.   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Trinity Cathedral, Cleveland From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:48:49 EDT   In a message dated 7/12/00 1:52:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:   << snip>> Trinity Cathedral in Cleveland (4-manual E.M. Skinner ... still there, but boarded up and derelict ... replaced by = a couple of Flentrops) >>   OK, and who's the IDIOT that did THAT?????   Scott Foppiano    
(back) Subject: trials and tribulations; suggestions? From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:52:08 -0700   Many of you may have followed the saga of Le Grand Hammond (Hammond/Suzuki Model 825, some digital "pipe" samplings, some drawbars, neither fish nor fowl or good old honest B-3; AGO console, with two huge Leslie spin-dizzies) at St. Matthew's-Behind-The-Pizza-Bakery (actually, the choir PRACTICES in the Pizza Bakery on Sunday morning, but that's ANOTHER story!).   The donor's widow is on the Vestry; we're moving into a new church in approximately one year. She gets hysterical at any mention of replacing the Hammond with a pipe organ, due to some serious pastoral mismanagement by the Rector a couple of years ago. She doesn't seem to care what the console CONTROLS, as long as it LOOKS the same.   One intrepid soul was willing to consider gutting the console, re-using the shell, and installing solid-state components to control a pipe organ; another suggested replacing the innards with digital electronic components; I asked Allen if they would consider building a small two-manual Renaissance with Protege stop controls to fit inside it (the roll-top wouldn't clear stop tongues); they're STILL laughing (grin).   We're in a double bind because we're moving into an INTERIM church ... I have a HUGE (1,000 sq. ft.) organ/choir loft (due to otherwise wasted space over the parish hall, kitchen, rest rooms, etc.) and the height (28' at the peak) for a modest-sized pipe organ ... BUT ... the optimistic members think they'll pay off this phase and begin construction of the main church within five years.   I've been involved in three such phased building projects, and I've NEVER seen a congregation go from the parish hall to the permanent church in less than twenty years, by which time I'll be (1) retired or (2) departed.   So ... do we (1) move the Hammond, (2) go digital, or (3) go for a pipe organ transplant on the assumption that we'll be in this building LONG after I've shuffled off this mortal coil?   Did anybody hear the Allen with Cavaille-Coll samplings at the convention in Seattle? I'm at least curious about that ...   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: Unda Marii, Ersatz Gemshorns and Ernie-Boy From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:04:48   At 05:01 PM 7/12/2000 EDT, you wrote: >It is not just a common, high-pressure=20 >Gemshorn, though; the best examples all have the octave harmonic in equal= =20 >proportion to the unison.<snip>   ....a characteristic of the diapason family, to be certain. The narrow mouth and the tuning slot allow the inverted conical pipe to speak more odd harmonic content than the Gemshorn, while the arched upper lip keeps harmonic content in check. Although of considerably less dynamic strength than even a Dulciana, the Erz=E4haler occupies that area of stops known as "hybrids" between Principal and String families (although Skinner insisted it's purely a Foundation stop), and can do some of the jobs traditionally assigned to either. Although richer in lower harmonics relative to fundamental than a true principal, the examples I've heard by Skinner indeed throw it closer to the Prinicipal family than to a String. It seems to be a stop that blends well with just about anything, in true Principal style. Of what I've heard of supposedly "good" examples by Skinner himself, the tone could be best described as "neutral", with just enough of the dissonant harmonics to suggest a little brightness. A valuable "utility" stop on any organ, to be sure.   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: Cleveland Skinners From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:09:05 -0700   Like most such things, it was a gradual process. Trinity, if I have my = facts straight, was a fairly early Skinner, with Hutchings-style chests. It was ultimately the failure of those chests, and the difficulty in getting to = them to releather them (as I recall, the organ is pretty much shoehorned into the chambers), that caused the organ to be abandoned.   But along the way various attempts were made to "update" it tonally, with = the result that (I think) most of Skinner's choruses and mixtures (and chorus reeds?) were replaced with neo-baroque pipework (Schantz?), and the famous = Tuba Mirabilis in the basement (it spoke through a floor grille at the west end = of the center aisle) was replaced with something else ... what or why, I = don't know.   I haven't seen the present setup, but it must be passing strange ... the = main Flentrop is in the west end (it must be on the main floor ... there was no gallery, and there was a BIG stained glass window), necessitating two = organists (unless they've abandoned the choir stalls up front); there is a sizeable (moveable?) two-manual Flentrop somewhere up front, I guess to accompany = the choir (if they're still up front).   The last I heard, the cathedral authorities had no plans to do anything = with the Skinner ... they simply boarded up the tonal openings, supposedly the = source of cold air. The shell of the console was still in the choir stalls the last = I heard.   There are at least two OTHER derelict Skinners in Cleveland: Emmanuel = Episcopal (the pro-cathedral before Trinity was built, now a down-at-heel inner-city parish), where the console burned in a fire many, many years ago, but the = organ itself is intact, except for (possibly) some minor water damage. I'd love = to see the stoplist of that one, if anyone can locate it ... I never got to climb around in it.   The other one is in a closed Christian Science church ... I don't know any details on that one.   A three-manual WAS rescued from St. Thomas Aquinas RC near the Major = Seminary when the church was torn down, but I don't know where it went. THAT was a = LOVELY organ in a WONDERFUL room.   The big five-manual in Public Hall was resuscitate briefly under the = leadership of Michael Murray ... it got a new interim console while the original one = was supposedly being restored ... but I haven't heard anything about it in = years.   The big Skinner in Severance Hall has recently been un-entombed and = restored without changes by Schantz, but I haven't heard any reports ...   Cheers,   Bud   ScottFop@aol.com wrote:   > In a message dated 7/12/00 1:52:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > quilisma@socal.rr.com writes: > > << snip>> Trinity Cathedral in Cleveland (4-manual > E.M. Skinner ... still there, but boarded up and derelict ... replaced = by a > couple of Flentrops) >> > > OK, and who's the IDIOT that did THAT????? > > Scott Foppiano > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Unda Marii, Ersatz Gemshorns and Ernie-Boy From: <KurtvonS@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 18:11:39 EDT   In a message dated 7/12/00 5:10:48 PM Central Daylight Time, desertbob@rglobal.net writes:   << A valuable "utility" stop on any organ, to be sure. >>   and pretty, too!  
(back) Subject: Cleveland Skinners and Kilgen From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 18:15:49 EDT   In a message dated 7/12/00 6:11:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:   << Like most such things, it was a gradual process. Trinity, if I have my facts straight, was a fairly early Skinner, with Hutchings-style chests. It was ultimately the failure of those chests, and the difficulty in getting to them to releather them (as I recall, the organ is pretty much shoehorned into the chambers), that caused the organ to be abandoned. Uh- anyone who was at the National Shrine of the Little Flower on June = 16th also heard an organ that was almost thrown out at one point, whose chests "failed" and whose chambers are treacherously tight to get around in that = has been fully revamped and is now roaring out triumphantly again and is in = 100% operable condition. 'Nuf said. (OK tracker backers- argue THAT one.)   Scott Foppiano  
(back) Subject: Re: Piporg-L Discussions From: "Maynard Cuppy" <cuppy.maynard@mcleodusa.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:17:00 -0500   Look at the group's name in the e-mail address. This is not piporg-l. = This is pipe chat. Perhaps you should redirect your message to the proper group. = There is a difference.   RonSeverin@aol.com wrote:   > Dear Paul: > > I know Catholics are picked on. That should never enter any discussion = about > pipe > organs. It quite simply doesn't belong here. I have refrained myself, = from > getting > into unnecessary stupid brouhaha's about it, but I think since you = brought it > up, that > anyone slurring religious groups should be thrown off this discussion = group > for good. No exceptions! I think that the Piporg-L owners would agree = with > that too. > > Perhaps a private go bash your neighbor hot line would work for those = folks, > but not > Piporg-L. This kind of garbage doesn't belong here we are all happy with = our > respective ways of worshiping God hopefully, and animas,slurrs, and = downright > hatred do not belong in discussions about organs. Neither should agenda = topics > be included into the mix either. You who do it know exactly what I mean = too! > > We talk hopefully about PIPE ORGANS! Nothing else! I think I've made = myself > extremely clear as to the intended purpose of this discussion group. > > SOLI DEO GLORIA! > > Ron Severin > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Unda Marii, Ersatz Gemshorns and Ernie-Boy From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 18:26:20 EDT   Dear Bob:   Add the Italian organ builders to the list as the 17th and 18th Century organs had Voce Humana celestes with the Principalino 8' rank.   Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: Re: Unda Marii, Ersatz Gemshorns and Ernie-Boy From: "Ray Thursby" <raythursby@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:45:47 -0700   If I recall correctly (and I do), the evil Rob't Hope-Jones used the "Unda Maris" name on one or more occasions to denote a Horn Diapason celeste.   In any case, that would have been far more tasteful than Dan Barton's Oboe Horn celeste or the Tibia Celeste I once saw on a Marr & Colton stoplist!   Perhaps the list's would-be builder of reedless reeds (and perhaps fluelless--or should that be clueless--flues) might consider some = innovative celestes for his IV/3 theater organ?   Ray    
(back) Subject: sorry about that From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:13:10 -0400   I seemed to have included my business card on that e-mail, and I shouldn't have. Sorry about that.   Carlo  
(back) Subject: looking for a list member From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:14:21 -0400   could Randy Runyon please e-mail me? I seem to have lost his address. Thanks.   Carlo  
(back) Subject: Re: Piporg-L Discussions From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:18:15 EDT   Dear Sir:   I Meant pipechat when I wrote it. It wasn't a mistake about where it went!   Ron  
(back) Subject: CDs Related to Seattle AGO From: "William T. Van Pelt" <bill@organsociety.org> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:27:46 -0400   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0013_01BFEC37.42383700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Dear PipeChat   Back from the AGO Convention in Seattle, we have put some new things on = =3D the opening page of the OHS Catalog website = http://www.ohscatalog.org.=3D20 =3D20 Most are CDs featuring organs and organists heard during the convention, = =3D including Nicholas Kynaston, whose very fine CDs are hard to find.   There's also a brand new recording from John Weaver, playing the new =3D 190-rank Reuter he played for the convention, with most of the same =3D repertoire. =3D20 =3D20 The wonderful Fritts organs at Pacific Lutheran University and at St. =3D Alphonsus in Seattle are both included. James David Christie gave such a = =3D brilliant recital at St. Alphonsus, and has 2 CDs of some of the same =3D repertoire, but recorded on other great organs.=3D20 =3D20 Conventioneers loved the restored 1907 Hutchings-Votey in the fabulously = =3D restored St. James' (RC) Cathedral, and there is a brand new CD of it. = =3D Paul Fritts' rebuild of the Flentrop at St. Mark's Cathedral is also =3D represented. Martin Pasi's fine organ in Lynnwood, so well played by =3D Christopher Young, is available on CD, as is a super CD recorded by =3D Young on two other organs.=3D20 =3D20 Fine CDs by Christa Rakich, Carol Terry, Robert F. Bates, Bruce Neswick, = =3D and J. Melvin Butler round out the CD additions on the opening page.   There are also some new books.   Bill   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0013_01BFEC37.42383700 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Dear PipeChat</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Back from the AGO Convention in =3D Seattle, we have=3D20 put some new things on the opening page of the OHS Catalog website <A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://www.ohscatalog.org">http://www.ohscatalog.org</A>.&nbsp;</= =3D FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Most are CDs featuring organs and =3D organists heard=3D20 during the convention, including Nicholas Kynaston, whose very fine CDs = =3D are hard=3D20 to find.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>There's also a brand new recording = from =3D John=3D20 Weaver, playing the new 190-rank Reuter he played for the convention, =3D with most=3D20 of the same repertoire.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>The wonderful Fritts organs at = Pacific =3D Lutheran=3D20 University and at St. Alphonsus in Seattle are both included.&nbsp;James = =3D David=3D20 Christie gave such a brilliant recital at St. Alphonsus, and has 2=3D20 CDs&nbsp;of&nbsp;some of the same repertoire, but recorded on other =3D great=3D20 organs. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Conventioneers&nbsp;loved the = restored =3D 1907=3D20 Hutchings-Votey in the fabulously restored St. James' (RC) Cathedral, =3D and there=3D20 is a brand new CD of it.&nbsp; Paul Fritts' rebuild of the Flentrop at =3D St.=3D20 Mark's Cathedral is also represented.&nbsp; Martin Pasi's fine organ = in=3D20 Lynnwood, so well played by Christopher Young, is available on CD, as is = =3D a super=3D20 CD recorded by Young on two other organs.&nbsp;</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Fine CDs by Christa Rakich, Carol =3D Terry, Robert F.=3D20 Bates, Bruce Neswick, and J. Melvin Butler round out the CD additions on = =3D the=3D20 opening page.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>There are also some new =3D books.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial =3D size=3D3D2>Bill</FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0013_01BFEC37.42383700--    
(back) Subject: Re: Trinity Cathedral, Cleveland From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:09:31   At 05:48 PM 7/12/2000 EDT, you wrote: >OK, and who's the IDIOT that did THAT?????<snip>   :::DeserTBoB remains silent, allthewhile pointing at the tracker-backers and smirking::::  
(back) Subject: Re: trials and tribulations; suggestions? From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:32:16   At 02:52 PM 7/12/2000 -0700, Bud-by-the-Beach wrote: >So ... do we (1) move the Hammond, (2) go digital, or (3) go for a pipe >organ transplant on the assumption that we'll be in this building LONG >after I've shuffled off this mortal coil?<snip>   I'd digitize the Hammond with Artisan as an interim measure, saving the pipes for the "final" (if ever) building. The 825, THE first digital Hammond (same guts as the neferious "Super-B") is a pretty lousy organ, = but in such a nice console! The sonic shortcomings of it and the obsolete Leslie tonal ideas won't do well in a space any larger than what you have now. Reliability of this thing is also a prime concern; 825s and = Super-Bs, along with the junior 820 and B-3000, were service nightmares of short-lived reliability, as is known to any competent Hammond man. You'd almost be better served by laying down money for a 35 year old RT-3!   Of course, a congregation of this wealth and obvious hunger for prestige should have a nice four division pipe organ evenutally...assuming that = your infamous "Dame de Hammond" is booted off the Vestry by then (one can only HOPE...) Indeed, the expense of procuring pipes that'll serve the "go-between" space may not be what you'd want in the final space. Add to that the expense of building an organ for "St. Interim's", then having to disassemble it and tranfer it to "St. Elsewhere"...and hope it sounds OK. Digits gives you a period of breathing room to make rational desicions regarding the right organ for the permanent structure, rather than trying to cobble something together piecemeal for the interim space.   Of course, I fully expect a backlash from the "tracker-backer/pipes-only" crowd on this, but that's par for the course. Logic and expense dictate digital for the interim; your problem with "Vestry Woman" make gutting/conversion almost a necessity, church politics being what they = are. Suffice it to say, in my experience, simply moving the 825 to "St. Interim's" is courting a reliability nightmare.   Allen will NOT supply "kit organs"...period. It has always been against their corporate policy, and I don't see this changing soon. The Artisan idea allows a funds-saving alternative to buying the entire Allen package, which...in reality...is a bad investment, since e-orgs of any type are notoriously hard to unload, and depreciate greatly. With the 825/Artisan conversion, who cares about depreciation?? Cost savings alone make this a project that can be "zeroed out" at the end of its anticipated life; any monies gotten by its sale at that point is just icing on the cake.   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: Unda Marii, Ersatz Gemshorns and Ernie-Boy From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:37:15   At 06:26 PM 7/12/2000 EDT, you wrote: >Add the Italian organ builders to the list<snip>   I know this; it was also previously stated quite well. Please try to keep = up.   dB  
(back) Subject: Re: Trashy music-Use this on Superbowl Sunday From: "Evelyn Rowe" <efrowe@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:15:28 -0400   > >>Dropkick me, Jesus, through the goal posts of life >>End over end, neither left nor to right >>Straight through the heart of them righteous uprights >>Dropkick me, Jesus, through the goal posts of life >> The church I played at where we got the police trasmissions over the PA system was also right across the river from RFK stadium. My dearest wish was to improvise on "Dropkick me, Jesus" during the offertory or communion on the Sundays when we had to pick short hymns because the 'Skins were playing. I haven't been there for over three years, but I'm still looking for a lead sheet, since this is bound to come up again.   Evie  
(back) Subject: Re: Fred Swann From: "Jim" <Bald1@prodigy.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:38:54 -0500   okay Bob, what channel? I would certainly be interested in catching a rerun, or watching the rest of the series.   Thanks,   jim     ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob North <bnorth@intergate.bc.ca> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2000 3:25 PM Subject: Fred Swann     > Last night, I had the pleasure of listening to and watching Fred Swann = in > recital at Holy Rosary Cathedral in Vancouver Big snip   > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Her Bishness, weekly From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 18:22:50   At 08:38 PM 7/12/2000 -0500, you wrote: >okay Bob, what channel? I would certainly be interested in catching a >rerun, or watching the rest of the series.<snip>   She airs on TBN now on Mondays at 9:00 am PDT, at least from my vantage point on the TBN west coast feed from satellite. If you get TBN over the air via a broadcaster, your mileage may vary. She used to be on twice a week, but evidently the "money makers" won out over her, and she is only seen once weekly now, and shifted to a new, undesirable timeslot.   TBN is always displaying their call-in number (toll call, natch) to guage interest in any given programming, so I called them to let them know I was a "fan" of her program. They immediately hit me up for a donation, at which point I promptly hung up...LOL! I, for one, would like to see her "de-church" her program somewhat and move over to PBS, where there is sure to be a more appreciative music audience. TBN seems to specialize in the "ya'll come/trailer trash" hoedowns a great deal, which seems to fill the coffers of their hosts. Her program sticks out like the proverbial sore thumb in such surroundings!   DeserTBoB