PipeChat Digest #1520 - Monday, July 17, 2000
 
Re: Weddings, Weddings
  by "Ed Kolcz" <kolcz@prodigy.net>
Re: The Church Organ Situation
  by "Evelyn Rowe" <efrowe@mindspring.com>
Re: Weddings, Weddings
  by "Evelyn Rowe" <efrowe@mindspring.com>
Re: The Church Organ Situation
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
what a wonderful day.
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Re: Weddings, Weddings
  by "Roy Wilson" <royjaneann@hotmail.com>
Re: Weddings, Weddings
  by "Roy Wilson" <royjaneann@hotmail.com>
Re: Weddings, Weddings
  by "Evelyn Rowe" <efrowe@mindspring.com>
Re: The Church Organist Situation
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Fw: my birthday
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Weddings, Weddings From: "Ed Kolcz" <kolcz@prodigy.net> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 21:43:49 -0400   I've been averaging 3 weddings a week for nearly 30 years.   I've learned my lesson years ago. When the bride or groom first contact = me to make arrangements for the wedding, I 'lay down the law' at that time. I inform them I will tolerate a reasonable delay (15 minutes) but no more without additional compensation. I tell them that I will stop playing prelude music at that time until the wedding party is ready to go. This is all spelled out in = a written contract. If there is more than a 15 minute delay AND they want additonal music, they MUST have someone come to me at that time and come = up with an additional $50 (in CASH) for every additoinal 15 minutes of = music. They sometime think this is excessive but they really have no choice as I = am under exclusive contract with the church and they cannot hire a different organist without my approval. I of course have complete support from the clergy on this policy. The church has a similar policy also. The primary reason is when you have 3-4 wedding stacked one behind the other at 1 1/2 increments......the weddings MUST start on time.   Keep in mind that I live in S.Florida where I have more than the normal share of 'latino' weddings that wihtout exception start at least 30 = minutes late. In these cases, I automatically charge an additional $100 up = front. And after almost 30 years of this....I've never done a 'latino' wedding = that started less than 30 minutes late.   I also insist on CASH up front before the wedding begins.....no = money....no music. I NEVER accept personal checks. I tell them to just think of me = as a jukebox. I've heard about every excuse in the book and then some....'we forgot the money'....my brother in law has it....see my parents after the ceremony.....can we mail it to you....etc.etc.etc.etc.etc.etc   The ones that complain about this policy the most are those that are 'well to do' financially !!!! I have never had to go to small claims court to collect my fee...but...I have had to send 'official' letters on more than one occasion.   Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: <Cremona502@cs.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2000 8:04 PM Subject: Re: Weddings, Weddings     > In a message dated 7/16/00 1:53:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, popel@sover.net > writes: > > << Does anyone have a policy on late starts? I'm thinking of saying that if > the wedding starts more than say, 20 minutes late, I need extra > remuneration. I usually play for 1/2 hour before the ceremony, so this one > meant I played for an hour and fifteen minutes- just about a full = recital > program, since there wasn't an intermission! >> > > I think the goodwill from just continuing to play and ignoring the lateness > is worth not worrying about the money which is incredibly difficult to get. > I say don't worry about it! Life is too short! > > Bruce > . . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles > Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com > HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502 > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: The Church Organ Situation From: "Evelyn Rowe" <efrowe@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 23:17:09 -0400   I haven't looked at today's Washington Post, but church organist positions are rarely advertised there -- most churches who are looking for classically trained organists go through the three local AGO chapters. = The Northern Va. Chapter maintains an up-to-date list of openings on the Web. In my experience, the churches that go through the classified ads in the Post are churches that (a) want a different variety of music, like gospel, or (b) don't pay what the market will bear or (c) both. Is it like that = in other metro areas?   At 04:46 PM 7/16/00 -0400, you wrote: >The state of the situation in which we find ourselves concerning the use = of >the organ in church is becoming even worse than I thought. > >In today's Baltimore Sun (a nationally read newspaper) are two = classifieds >for church musician, which I quote without spelling corrections: > >(1) Church Pianist- needed for small West Balto church. Must read notes. >Tel #. > >(2) Pianist- Fast growing church in Essex looking for dedicated Minister = or >Music/Organist/Pianist. Must play by air. Reading of music is preferred = but >not required. Competitive salary. Tel.# > >What are the church organist positions coming to? > >Paul >In amazement in Balto. > > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Weddings, Weddings From: "Evelyn Rowe" <efrowe@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 23:27:46 -0400   I'm with Bruce on this, having been duly warned by the rector at my last church job that some of his flock tended to operate on a different clock. I'm not much good at improvising, so I bring along Dom Paul Benoit's elevations or something comparable.   At 08:04 PM 7/16/00 -0400, Bruce wrote: > >I think the goodwill from just continuing to play and ignoring the = lateness >is worth not worrying about the money which is incredibly difficult to = get. >I say don't worry about it! Life is too short! >    
(back) Subject: Re: The Church Organ Situation From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 22:24:30 -0500   Evelyn Rowe wrote:   > I haven't looked at today's Washington Post, but church organist = positions > are rarely advertised there -- most churches who are looking for > classically trained organists go through the three local AGO chapters. = The > Northern Va. Chapter maintains an up-to-date list of openings on the = Web. > In my experience, the churches that go through the classified ads in the > Post are churches that (a) want a different variety of music, like = gospel, > or (b) don't pay what the market will bear or (c) both. Is it like that = in > other metro areas?   I assume so. If I were to move to a new area, I would first join the = local AGO chapter, and secondly contact the regional (synod, dioscesan, presbytery) offices in whose jurisdiction I found myself. Also, call the local = clergyperson of the denominations I am willing to consider serving in; they talk to = each other, and generally know whose parish is looking for a musician. And if = you get to know one of the local clergy well enough, they may also be willing = to fill you in on which available positions are--shall we say--"less = desirable".   ns        
(back) Subject: what a wonderful day. From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 23:29:05 -0400   Well, it's now 11:17pm, and everyone's gone. It was a wonderful day. We = all spent the day eating, drinking, talking, and most of all.....playing!!! We all played. I love when my organist friends come over to play. We all = played the music of Bach, Widor, Vierne, Mulet, Buxtehude, Handel, Dupr=E9, = Durufl=E9, Alain, Tournemire, Reger, Piern=E9, plus a bit of Biggs, Fox and Bish. it = was like heaven on earth. My very good friend Rachel Laurin, who is assistant organist to Raymond Daveluy at St. Joseph's Orratory, played the entire = 6th Symphony of Louis Vierne for me, as a special request. I wanted to play Bach's Gigue Fugue, but because of my toe, I couldn't play the pedals, although now I CAN put on my organ shoes. So, I played the manuals, and Rachel went under the bench, and played the pedals!!! She played them flawlessly from down there, with very little space to move around. It was = so cool. They love coming over to play my organ (3-manual Rodgers 960). I'm very lucky to live in a house that has no neighbors on either side, so we can really pump up the volume. It's in our living room, and with a 10-foot ceiling, "tutti" sounds wonderful. If you're allwondering how we can fit = the console and a full compliment of speakers in our living room, it's a triple-parlour. It was originally a double-parlour, but we knocked down a wall and made it a triple. My very own cathedral, without even having to leave my house!!! And now, I have a ton of dishes to do, and I also have = to put all my music away. It seems like whenever they come over, they go through my library of organ music. I don't mind, but they never seem to = put it away afterwards. Oh well, no big deal. I hope all of you had as = wonderful a day as I had. What an amazing way to celebrate my 30th birthday, and a great start to my 31st year.   Carlo  
(back) Subject: Re: Weddings, Weddings From: "Roy Wilson" <royjaneann@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 20:32:47 PDT   I remember playing for a wedding once in the Anglican Cathedral in = Santiago, Chile. The bride was more than an hour late. I had played everything I = had with me, plus improvise till I was exhausted.   The bride had dressed at home then got on the public bus to come to the church. In the 60's the public busses there were not very good at = following schedules. The groom had decided he was jilted, but was still at the church. People were beginning to leave. Everyone was relieved when she arrived, me first of all.   :o) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Weddings, Weddings From: "Roy Wilson" <royjaneann@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 20:35:08 PDT   I remember playing for a wedding once in the Anglican Cathedral in = Santiago, Chile. The bride was more than an hour late. I had played everything I = had with me, plus improvise till I was exhausted.   The bride had dressed at home then got on the public bus to come to the church. In the 60's the public busses there were not very good at = following schedules. She had not allowed for enough time for undependable bus schedules. The groom had decided he was jilted, but was still at the church. People were beginning to leave. Everyone was relieved when she arrived, I most of all.   :o)   Roy Wilson St. John's UMCh A Reconciling Congregation Lubbock, Texas ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Weddings, Weddings From: "Evelyn Rowe" <efrowe@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 23:44:34 -0400   Inquiring minds want to know: did they remember to pay you?   At 05:55 PM 7/16/00 -0400, Bonnie Beth Derby wrote: >About 9 years ago I played for a large ``wedding''. The start time was >slated for 2pm with prelude music beginning at about 25 minutes before. = At >about 15 minutes after two I was quietly informed by the Dean of the >Cathedral that the ``groom'' had left town! An announcement was made to = the >guests in the church and I played as they left - quietly. What a strange >feeling! Anyone ever had that happen to them? >    
(back) Subject: Re: The Church Organist Situation From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 20:42:51 -0700   Articles began appearing in major daily newspapers beginning as far back = as the '70s concerning the decline in the number of trained organists. Most = recently, the Tampa Tribune noted that the large Fisk organ at St. Andrew's = Episcopal Church in downtown Tampa is silent whenever the organist is ill or on = vacation .... there is simply NO ONE to play it.   OTOH, I would NEVER encourage ANYONE to go into the field of church music, unless they want to lead a blended (or worse) program in one of the modern mega-churches.   I read the job descriptions on the Guild webpage, and then I get down to = the number of hours a week it supposedly takes to DO all this; THEN I get to = the SALARY, if it's published at all. Usually if it isn't, they're ashamed to = post it. But some of 'em are pretty brassy: $10K a year for a HALF-TIME = position??!!   Now, let's stop and consider for a minute: NOBODY can live on $10K; that = means you have to carry an extra 20 hours a week ON TOP OF a 40-hour work-week = at your "other" job, which you work to subsidize your participation in church = music.   I'm full-time, with medical benefits and housing, and I barely scrape by. "Full-time" just means I don't have TIME to do anything else (grin) ... = the salary is about a QUARTER of what it should be for this particular = community in this area of the country, where the AVERAGE income is well in excess of = $100K and the average HOUSE costs $250K.   Put away your flame-throwers ... I LOVE church music, and I didn't go into = it to get rich (good THING!), but I have NO pension plan, no post-retirement = medical benefits, etc. etc. etc. ... I'm in my late fifties; I had a mild stroke = before Easter. The best I can hope for is to die at the console, like Vierne, and hopefully have the presence of mind to hit the full organ and put the fear = of God into a few of God's Frozen People as I exit this mortal coil (grin).   Cheers,   Bud        
(back) Subject: Fw: my birthday From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 23:08:29 -0500   HAPPY BIRTHDAY EVELYN !!   (I'm catchin' up to ya!)   Rick   ----- Original Message ----- From: Evelyn Rowe <efrowe@mindspring.com> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2000 5:03 PM Subject: Re: my birthday     > And I turn 53 (blush!) tomorrow the 17th. > > At 03:03 AM 7/16/00 -0400, you wrote: > >*happy birthday to me* > >I turn 30 today.........hurray!!!!!! > > > >Carlo > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >